Ablang wrote:
I was thinking of getting an air purifier like those "Ionic Breeze
Quadra" you see advertised by the Sharper Image. But I want to make
sure I am getting a unit that has low power consumption, has filters
you can wash out, is quiet, and most of all, will last a long time.

I don't remember what group it was in, but I read a thread some
months ago, with a lot of people who'd bought Ionic Breeze units,
saying they were useless junk. I'm sure you can google it.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

"jamie" wrote in message
...
Ablang wrote:
I was thinking of getting an air purifier like those "Ionic Breeze
Quadra" you see advertised by the Sharper Image. But I want to make
sure I am getting a unit that has low power consumption, has filters
you can wash out, is quiet, and most of all, will last a long time.

I don't remember what group it was in, but I read a thread some
months ago, with a lot of people who'd bought Ionic Breeze units,
saying they were useless junk. I'm sure you can google it.

They are quiet. They do not use much power. They clean easily, and they
are an expensive piece of junk. I sold mine for half what I paid for it,
after using it for about 3 months. A total waste :-(

From: (jamie)

I don't remember what group it was in, but I read a thread somemonths ago,
with a lot of people who'd bought Ionic Breeze units,saying they were useless
junk. I'm sure you can google it.

I don't have access to the CONSUMER REPORTS website, but I remember reading the
article about air purifiers. The Ionic Breeze was rated the worst of all air
purifiers a few years ago. The best one was a Friedrich followed by a
Whirlpool, I believe. If you go to the library, they'll have back issues of CR.
Check the index. Air purifiers have been reviewed at least twice in the past
few years.

"Chemqueries" wrote in message
...
From: (jamie)

I don't remember what group it was in, but I read a thread somemonths
ago,
with a lot of people who'd bought Ionic Breeze units,saying they were
useless
junk. I'm sure you can google it.

I don't have access to the CONSUMER REPORTS website, but I remember
reading the
article about air purifiers. The Ionic Breeze was rated the worst of all
air
purifiers a few years ago. The best one was a Friedrich followed by a
Whirlpool, I believe. If you go to the library, they'll have back issues
of CR.
Check the index. Air purifiers have been reviewed at least twice in the
past
few years.

add me to the list of people who think the breeze is a turd. my aunt bought
one. totally worthless. research confirmed this.

randy

jamie wrote:
Ablang wrote:
I was thinking of getting an air purifier like those "Ionic Breeze
Quadra" you see advertised by the Sharper Image. But I want to make
sure I am getting a unit that has low power consumption, has filters
you can wash out, is quiet, and most of all, will last a long time.

I don't remember what group it was in, but I read a thread some
months ago, with a lot of people who'd bought Ionic Breeze units,
saying they were useless junk. I'm sure you can google it.

Consumer Reports indicated in several test that they do use little
electricity, they do remove contaminates and they do help. However they
also concluded as have many others that they don't remove enough
contaminates fast enough to be any real use. In addition they add ozone to
the air which gives it that fresh rain smell and is also a harmful
contaminate itself.

The only types of useful air cleaners tested were those employing a fan
and media filter.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

You pay an internet fee every month and are looking at spending
hundreds on a filter and want the most for your money but want us to
give you free info, Consumer Reports online is cheap, apx 30 a year, go
subscribe your self cheap ass. And get off your lazy ride and Google.

Ok , to the point, Ionic Breeze is crap, Consumer Reports rated it the
worst. They also output Ozone at 50 ppb, 50 ppb Ozone exposure is all
the EPA allows for a max 8 hr exposure. Ozone oxidises, and is no good
for your lungs. Now you believe smoking is bad, so is second hand smoke
So why add more pollution to your environment that is proven harmful.
Although the amounts dissipate and are small it is a proven lung
irritant. This is backed by numerous studies you can google.

The real question is why and what do you need a better filter for. If
you have a furnace look into better filters for permanent install. If
you smoke there are better room units and the outdoors to put your
smoke. There are some new extremely efficient furnace filters, Lennox
carries one but it may add 7$ to your monthly electric bill.

Bottom line don`t add Ozone it`s proven to be harmful .

Hi jamie

Sorry I missed your original post.

I don't place much faith in Consumer Reports, they have been totally
wrong on most items I purchased based on their recommendations!
Or they did NOT test or even talk about the many flaws of the products
they were claiming as excellent best buys, etc.

How familiar are you with how air purifiers work and what the
components of the various air purifiers do?

The most talked about ionic purifiers use negative ions.
Some upscale ionic purifiers use both negative ion generation and
pinpoint negative ion generation and some even use a radio type of
negative ion generation.

But before you consider a stand alone ionic purifier over combination
air purifiers that use filters, negative ionization AND Ozone
generation, think about the purpose you are intending purchasing the
air purifier for.

What negative ionization does is NOT the removal of dust and pollen
from the home as most people think. Its primary purpose is to make
dust and pollen HEAVY so that it falls downward out of the air and
onto your furniture and floors where it can be manually removed.
A very small percentage of airborne particles that pass through the
unit can be attracted to the ionic plates on plate type ionizers, but
most ionizers do not use plates, they use an antenna of sorts and some
also have a needlepoint generator.
Only the radio type negative ionization works throughout the house,
all others work only in the room the ionizer is in.

Combination units that provide mechanical filtering, negative
ionization and a small amount of Ozone are your best bet for removing
airborne particles BEFORE they hit the floor and furniture and for
removing odors. Some units can put out enough Ozone in the timed
sterilize mode to kill or greatly inhibit mold and bacteria in an
unoccupied room.

The Ionic Breeze is ONLY a single room ionizer.
Quite expensive for what little it does.
For roughly the same price, you can buy a several room combination
unit that provides 3 or 4 or even 5 forms of filtration in a single
unit that is very low in cost to operate.

The word Air Purifier itself can be applied to many products,
including tropical foliage plants.
Yes it is THAT Generic in usage!

TTUL
Gary

Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. wrote:
Hi jamie

Sorry I missed your original post.

I don't place much faith in Consumer Reports, they have been totally
wrong on most items I purchased based on their recommendations!
Or they did NOT test or even talk about the many flaws of the products
they were claiming as excellent best buys, etc.

Most people who share this experience have chosen products based on the
ratings without reading the entire story. The ratings are based on what CR
considers average users. Few people are average users and you really need
to look at how they rated the product and chose based on what features are
important to you.


How familiar are you with how air purifiers work and what the
components of the various air purifiers do?

The most talked about ionic purifiers use negative ions.
Some upscale ionic purifiers use both negative ion generation and
pinpoint negative ion generation and some even use a radio type of
negative ion generation.

But before you consider a stand alone ionic purifier over combination
air purifiers that use filters, negative ionization AND Ozone
generation, think about the purpose you are intending purchasing the
air purifier for.

What negative ionization does is NOT the removal of dust and pollen
from the home as most people think. Its primary purpose is to make
dust and pollen HEAVY so that it falls downward out of the air and
onto your furniture and floors where it can be manually removed.
A very small percentage of airborne particles that pass through the
unit can be attracted to the ionic plates on plate type ionizers, but
most ionizers do not use plates, they use an antenna of sorts and some
also have a needlepoint generator.
Only the radio type negative ionization works throughout the house,
all others work only in the room the ionizer is in.

Combination units that provide mechanical filtering, negative
ionization and a small amount of Ozone are your best bet for removing
airborne particles BEFORE they hit the floor and furniture and for
removing odors. Some units can put out enough Ozone in the timed
sterilize mode to kill or greatly inhibit mold and bacteria in an
unoccupied room.

The Ionic Breeze is ONLY a single room ionizer.
Quite expensive for what little it does.
For roughly the same price, you can buy a several room combination
unit that provides 3 or 4 or even 5 forms of filtration in a single
unit that is very low in cost to operate.

The word Air Purifier itself can be applied to many products,
including tropical foliage plants.
Yes it is THAT Generic in usage!

TTUL
Gary

Spoken like a true salesman for the ionizer industry.


--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
news
Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. wrote:
Hi jamie

Sorry I missed your original post.

I don't place much faith in Consumer Reports, they have been totally
wrong on most items I purchased based on their recommendations!
Or they did NOT test or even talk about the many flaws of the products
they were claiming as excellent best buys, etc.

Most people who share this experience have chosen products based on
the
ratings without reading the entire story. The ratings are based on what
CR
considers average users. Few people are average users and you really need
to look at how they rated the product and chose based on what features are
important to you.


How familiar are you with how air purifiers work and what the
components of the various air purifiers do?

The most talked about ionic purifiers use negative ions.
Some upscale ionic purifiers use both negative ion generation and
pinpoint negative ion generation and some even use a radio type of
negative ion generation.

But before you consider a stand alone ionic purifier over combination
air purifiers that use filters, negative ionization AND Ozone
generation, think about the purpose you are intending purchasing the
air purifier for.

What negative ionization does is NOT the removal of dust and pollen
from the home as most people think. Its primary purpose is to make
dust and pollen HEAVY so that it falls downward out of the air and
onto your furniture and floors where it can be manually removed.
A very small percentage of airborne particles that pass through the
unit can be attracted to the ionic plates on plate type ionizers, but
most ionizers do not use plates, they use an antenna of sorts and some
also have a needlepoint generator.
Only the radio type negative ionization works throughout the house,
all others work only in the room the ionizer is in.

Combination units that provide mechanical filtering, negative
ionization and a small amount of Ozone are your best bet for removing
airborne particles BEFORE they hit the floor and furniture and for
removing odors. Some units can put out enough Ozone in the timed
sterilize mode to kill or greatly inhibit mold and bacteria in an
unoccupied room.

The Ionic Breeze is ONLY a single room ionizer.
Quite expensive for what little it does.
For roughly the same price, you can buy a several room combination
unit that provides 3 or 4 or even 5 forms of filtration in a single
unit that is very low in cost to operate.

The word Air Purifier itself can be applied to many products,
including tropical foliage plants.
Yes it is THAT Generic in usage!

TTUL
Gary

Spoken like a true salesman for the ionizer industry.

Isn't he a gem?

Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
Would you consider changing your signature if you intend posting to our
cleaning group? It's SO annoying without the 'S' to the majority of our
posters.
TIA

Deutchmann If you read medical test reports on Ozone and Health Effects
you wouldn`t recommend Ionizers that produce Ozone. Unless of course
you sell them for a living.

The original Ionic Breeze output 50 ppb, the newer Quadra is twice as
power full ? So I guess it outputs 100 ppb ozone. But who did the
verification of their tests on ozone output ? I bet they can`t be
verified.

On TV Sharper image states the Asthma and Allery foundation suppors
the ionic breeze, Well I contacted the Asthma and Allergy foundation and
they stated they do not endose the product in any way but mearly agreed
with sharper images " claim". To me is doesn`t sound right. But they
refer then hundreds of articles on Ozone and its health effects. I have
this letter from the A.A.F. I can`t post it here but can forward it to
anyone. They also acknowledge the 50 ppb limit and to not excced it for
the government EPA 8 hr exposure limit.

The true point is Ozone is an oxidant, smaller doses may be harmfull
in long term continous exposure according to a lung specialist I have
talked to. As with cigarettes the exposure amounts for saftey have gone
way down in 15 yrs.

So do you really want to add something to your air that is proven
harmfull, even though it is in small doses ??

m Ransley wrote:

Deutchmann If you read medical test reports on Ozone and Health Effects
you wouldn`t recommend Ionizers that produce Ozone. Unless of course
you sell them for a living.

The original Ionic Breeze output 50 ppb, the newer Quadra is twice as
power full ? So I guess it outputs 100 ppb ozone. But who did the
verification of their tests on ozone output ? I bet they can`t be
verified.

On TV Sharper image states the Asthma and Allery foundation suppors
the ionic breeze, Well I contacted the Asthma and Allergy foundation and
they stated they do not endose the product in any way but mearly agreed
with sharper images " claim". To me is doesn`t sound right. But they
refer then hundreds of articles on Ozone and its health effects. I have
this letter from the A.A.F. I can`t post it here but can forward it to
anyone. They also acknowledge the 50 ppb limit and to not excced it for
the government EPA 8 hr exposure limit.

The true point is Ozone is an oxidant, smaller doses may be harmfull
in long term continous exposure according to a lung specialist I have
talked to. As with cigarettes the exposure amounts for saftey have gone
way down in 15 yrs.

So do you really want to add something to your air that is proven
harmfull, even though it is in small doses ??

I'm just breaking into the thread so I don't know if this point has
been made. Most of the advertising literature never says ozone, they
say activated oxygen, but what they are talking about is ozone.
Regardless of the levels of ozone, some people are just plain
sensitive to ozone and even the minutest amount seem to have an effect
on them. Others of us not only are not adversely affected but in fact
enjoy the ozone effect. OTOH, there are a lot of materials in a
normal house that definitely do not like ozone and although the
deterioring effects might be quite slow, one might be quite surprised
at what has happended to something over a 2-3 year or longer period.
Rubber products are especially likely to be damaged.

Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. wrote:
Hi jamie

Sorry I missed your original post.

I wasn't the original poster. The OP inquired about the Ionic Breeze.
I replied that a number of people posted elsewhere that they were
crap.

[snipped]
What negative ionization does is NOT the removal of dust and pollen
from the home as most people think. Its primary purpose is to make
dust and pollen HEAVY so that it falls downward out of the air and
onto your furniture and floors where it can be manually removed.

It is my limited understanding that ion generator air cleaners (those
not attempting to draw the charged particles through collection plates)
cause the charged particles to precipitate mainly on the walls and
the breathing passages of the occupants -- not to fall onto floors
and furniture. Perhaps you can explain why static-charged hair stands
up, if the charge makes it "HEAVY".

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

"jamie" wrote in message
...
Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. wrote:
[snipped]
What negative ionization does is NOT the removal of dust and pollen
from the home as most people think. Its primary purpose is to make
dust and pollen HEAVY so that it falls downward out of the air and
onto your furniture and floors where it can be manually removed.

It is my limited understanding that ion generator air cleaners (those
not attempting to draw the charged particles through collection plates)
cause the charged particles to precipitate mainly on the walls and
the breathing passages of the occupants -- not to fall onto floors
and furniture. Perhaps you can explain why static-charged hair stands
up, if the charge makes it "HEAVY".

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."


What happens is it tends to cause the particles to attach to each other
and the now heavier and larger object will end to fall. Don't get me going
on Browning motion. :-)

On 4 Nov 2004 23:24:31 GMT, (jamie) wrote:

Perhaps you can explain why static-charged hair stands
up, if the charge makes it "HEAVY".

Hairs stand "away," not up! You know--like charges repel, and the
individual like-charged hairs are tryin' to get away from each other.

(Courtesy: Miss Barnett, my 7th grade science teacher)

--John W. Wells

Hi Joseph

Most people who share this experience have chosen products based on the
ratings without reading the entire story. The ratings are based on what CR
considers average users. Few people are average users and you really need
to look at how they rated the product and chose based on what features are
important to you.

Consumer Reports OFTEN fails to test for user friendlyness or
suitability for the use intended or longetivity of replacement
components.

They rated one of the most expensive (to use) and shortest lived water
filters ever made as being a best buy.
A much lower cost unit performed better, lasted longer between filter
changes and removed more contaminants. The lower cost unit was even
much easier to change the cartridges when required.

A number of years ago I purchased a Shop-Vac brand vacuum to replace
an old Hercules that was giving up the ghost. At that time Hercules
was still available.
Of the 6 different specific use vacuums they tested, Shop-Vac was at
the top of the list and Hercules was 2nd to the bottom of the list for
similar size and capacity vacuums.

Shop-Vac all models are wrought with serious engineering design
problems! Not one mention in the Consumer Reports writeup on Shop-Vac
said they were top heavy and tipped over continually. Not one mention
in the Consumer Reports writeup on Shop-Vac said the wands assembled
backwards and were very likely to easily clog because of it.
Not one mention in the Consumer Reports write up on Shop-Vac said you
had to change out the filters in order to use them for wet pickup.
And not one write up said they blow water all over the place when near
full.

Hercules on the other hand had greater power, low center of gravity,
pickup hose and wands that almost could not clog and it could handle
debris over 8 inches in length, Shop-Vac is limited to less than 4
inches. Hercules wet/dry did not require different filters for dry or
wet pickup, although the dry only machine is the best buy and most
useful. A separate water drum may be used with all Hercules vacs and
on some models this separate drum is conveniently stored inside the
vac with very little loss in waste storage capacity of the unit.
Hercules even made a special recleanable filter for use in picking up
filter clogging materials such as drywall dust, soot or other fine
powders.
By placing this wonderful vac at second to the bottom in the list of
special purpose vacs, it caused Hercules to go out of business, and
they had a FAR SUPERIOR product than Shop-Vac who got the top rating
by Consumer Reports.

Spoken like a true salesman for the ionizer industry.

Sorry, I don't sell them, I only use them.
But to be honest, after using them for many years I did attempt at
selling my favorite brand for a few months.
A salesman I'm not, but I'm GREAT at complaining about the flaws I
have found in the various models I have used over the years.

Here is some food for thought!
You know those new Wisp air fresheners that just came out?
I was given three of them to test awhile back.
I placed one in my garage office, set on it's lowest setting. I had
to take it out, it was too strong.
I moved it into our bathroom and even set on it's highest setting, you
cannot smell anything at all from it.
WHY?
We have a whole house 5 function Air Purifier in our home.
It works so well it completely removes all odors, even the ones you
want to keep in the house, hi hi....
In my garage office I only have a 1 function small ionizer. Ionizers
do not remove odors. But my office is dust free!

TTUL
Gary

Hi Jamie

I wasn't the original poster. The OP inquired about the Ionic Breeze.
I replied that a number of people posted elsewhere that they were
crap.

Sorry about that, I pulled your name from the top of the first
question I saw ahead of a response.
Every once in awhile, I will get the original Post a couple of days
after I see several responses (threads) applied to it.

But I agree, the Ionic Breeze is a way overpriced piece of JUNK!

It is my limited understanding that ion generator air cleaners (those
not attempting to draw the charged particles through collection plates)
cause the charged particles to precipitate mainly on the walls and
the breathing passages of the occupants -- not to fall onto floors
and furniture. Perhaps you can explain why static-charged hair stands
up, if the charge makes it "HEAVY".

I have used them for years and find that (especially with an asthmatic
step-daughter, that they do make a major difference in the air quality
and dropping the airborne particles out of it.
I have only used one that worked like the Ionic Breeze and it was
useless. All the rest I have used did have filters and fans and the
one in my step-daughters room had HEPA filtration as well as pinpoint
negative ionization. She could breath better in her room than in any
other room of the house, before we got the 5 function whole house
unit.
We never had problems with dust on the walls, but when first placed in
use, dust is on everything, very heavily for a few weeks. Which means
it must not be in the air any more.

If I understand Static Electricity correctly, it is Positive Charged
not Negative. Else you wouldn't get shocked by touching something
grounded. When you rub a sweater or shuffle your feet across a wool
rug and touch a metal object, you feel a shock when you discharge
yourself of the positive charge.

TTUL
Gary

Are you sure that was "Consumer Reports" and not "Consumer Research:
magazine. How long ago was this report. That does not sound like Consumer
Reports.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math


"Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr." wrote in message
...
Hi Joseph

Most people who share this experience have chosen products based on
the
ratings without reading the entire story. The ratings are based on what
CR
considers average users. Few people are average users and you really need
to look at how they rated the product and chose based on what features are
important to you.

Consumer Reports OFTEN fails to test for user friendlyness or
suitability for the use intended or longetivity of replacement
components.

They rated one of the most expensive (to use) and shortest lived water
filters ever made as being a best buy.
A much lower cost unit performed better, lasted longer between filter
changes and removed more contaminants. The lower cost unit was even
much easier to change the cartridges when required.

A number of years ago I purchased a Shop-Vac brand vacuum to replace
an old Hercules that was giving up the ghost. At that time Hercules
was still available.
Of the 6 different specific use vacuums they tested, Shop-Vac was at
the top of the list and Hercules was 2nd to the bottom of the list for
similar size and capacity vacuums.

Shop-Vac all models are wrought with serious engineering design
problems! Not one mention in the Consumer Reports writeup on Shop-Vac
said they were top heavy and tipped over continually. Not one mention
in the Consumer Reports writeup on Shop-Vac said the wands assembled
backwards and were very likely to easily clog because of it.
Not one mention in the Consumer Reports write up on Shop-Vac said you
had to change out the filters in order to use them for wet pickup.
And not one write up said they blow water all over the place when near
full.

Hercules on the other hand had greater power, low center of gravity,
pickup hose and wands that almost could not clog and it could handle
debris over 8 inches in length, Shop-Vac is limited to less than 4
inches. Hercules wet/dry did not require different filters for dry or
wet pickup, although the dry only machine is the best buy and most
useful. A separate water drum may be used with all Hercules vacs and
on some models this separate drum is conveniently stored inside the
vac with very little loss in waste storage capacity of the unit.
Hercules even made a special recleanable filter for use in picking up
filter clogging materials such as drywall dust, soot or other fine
powders.
By placing this wonderful vac at second to the bottom in the list of
special purpose vacs, it caused Hercules to go out of business, and
they had a FAR SUPERIOR product than Shop-Vac who got the top rating
by Consumer Reports.

Spoken like a true salesman for the ionizer industry.

Sorry, I don't sell them, I only use them.
But to be honest, after using them for many years I did attempt at
selling my favorite brand for a few months.
A salesman I'm not, but I'm GREAT at complaining about the flaws I
have found in the various models I have used over the years.

Here is some food for thought!
You know those new Wisp air fresheners that just came out?
I was given three of them to test awhile back.
I placed one in my garage office, set on it's lowest setting. I had
to take it out, it was too strong.
I moved it into our bathroom and even set on it's highest setting, you
cannot smell anything at all from it.
WHY?
We have a whole house 5 function Air Purifier in our home.
It works so well it completely removes all odors, even the ones you
want to keep in the house, hi hi....
In my garage office I only have a 1 function small ionizer. Ionizers
do not remove odors. But my office is dust free!

TTUL
Gary

I agree consumer reports does miss the boat often. I bought the second
best rated snowblower a John Deere, It clogs immediatly in wet snow,
they obiously did not test them with wet snow . But their air filter
tests were comprehensive and correct, the ionic breeze is a waste.

In article ,
"Joseph Meehan" wrote:

"jamie" wrote in message
...
Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. wrote:
[snipped]
What negative ionization does is NOT the removal of dust and pollen
from the home as most people think. Its primary purpose is to make
dust and pollen HEAVY so that it falls downward out of the air and
onto your furniture and floors where it can be manually removed.

It is my limited understanding that ion generator air cleaners (those
not attempting to draw the charged particles through collection plates)
cause the charged particles to precipitate mainly on the walls and
the breathing passages of the occupants -- not to fall onto floors
and furniture. Perhaps you can explain why static-charged hair stands
up, if the charge makes it "HEAVY".

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."


What happens is it tends to cause the particles to attach to each other
and the now heavier and larger object will end to fall. Don't get me going
on Browning motion. :-)



Air molecules pick up negative charges, which dust picks up from the
air. The charged dust particles repel each other. The charged air
molecules repel the charged dust. The charged dust particles get
repelled from the air to surfaces, most of which drain well enough to be
at ground potential.

I had an adjustable generator with no plates or filters. It worked
great. It would knock cigarette smoke out of the air quickly. If a
sunbeam showed dust in the air, I'd turn on the generator and the air
would clear fast. Most of the dust would end up on the surfaces closest
to the generator. It's easier to wipe dust from a surface than try to
clean it from the air.

Once I had to remove rock wool from the interior of a wall. That
generator did a great job knocking the dust down.

Depending on the humidity, what was underfoot, how near you were to the
generator, and how high it was set, you could pick up a charge faster
than it drained. Then you'd get shocks. That's why it was adjustable.

--
Best Regards,
Lloyd

Hi Joseph

I think you got me this time, I really don't know, but it WAS the
thicker published booklet not a magazine I was referring to.

Now, as to whether or not it was Consumer Reports or Consumer
Research, I don't really remember, I thought it was the Consumer
Reports booklet, but I could be wrong.
It has been a lot of years since I have bought one after getting
burned so many times from going by their data.
I think the last one I ever purchased was around 1982-84.

TTUL
Gary



"Joseph Meehan" verbositized:

Are you sure that was "Consumer Reports" and not "Consumer Research:
magazine. How long ago was this report. That does not sound like Consumer
Reports.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math


"Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr." wrote in message
...
Hi Joseph

Most people who share this experience have chosen products based on
the
ratings without reading the entire story. The ratings are based on what
CR
considers average users. Few people are average users and you really need
to look at how they rated the product and chose based on what features are
important to you.

Consumer Reports OFTEN fails to test for user friendlyness or
suitability for the use intended or longetivity of replacement
components.

They rated one of the most expensive (to use) and shortest lived water
filters ever made as being a best buy.
A much lower cost unit performed better, lasted longer between filter
changes and removed more contaminants. The lower cost unit was even
much easier to change the cartridges when required.

A number of years ago I purchased a Shop-Vac brand vacuum to replace
an old Hercules that was giving up the ghost. At that time Hercules
was still available.
Of the 6 different specific use vacuums they tested, Shop-Vac was at
the top of the list and Hercules was 2nd to the bottom of the list for
similar size and capacity vacuums.

Shop-Vac all models are wrought with serious engineering design
problems! Not one mention in the Consumer Reports writeup on Shop-Vac
said they were top heavy and tipped over continually. Not one mention
in the Consumer Reports writeup on Shop-Vac said the wands assembled
backwards and were very likely to easily clog because of it.
Not one mention in the Consumer Reports write up on Shop-Vac said you
had to change out the filters in order to use them for wet pickup.
And not one write up said they blow water all over the place when near
full.

Hercules on the other hand had greater power, low center of gravity,
pickup hose and wands that almost could not clog and it could handle
debris over 8 inches in length, Shop-Vac is limited to less than 4
inches. Hercules wet/dry did not require different filters for dry or
wet pickup, although the dry only machine is the best buy and most
useful. A separate water drum may be used with all Hercules vacs and
on some models this separate drum is conveniently stored inside the
vac with very little loss in waste storage capacity of the unit.
Hercules even made a special recleanable filter for use in picking up
filter clogging materials such as drywall dust, soot or other fine
powders.
By placing this wonderful vac at second to the bottom in the list of
special purpose vacs, it caused Hercules to go out of business, and
they had a FAR SUPERIOR product than Shop-Vac who got the top rating
by Consumer Reports.

Spoken like a true salesman for the ionizer industry.

Sorry, I don't sell them, I only use them.
But to be honest, after using them for many years I did attempt at
selling my favorite brand for a few months.
A salesman I'm not, but I'm GREAT at complaining about the flaws I
have found in the various models I have used over the years.

Here is some food for thought!
You know those new Wisp air fresheners that just came out?
I was given three of them to test awhile back.
I placed one in my garage office, set on it's lowest setting. I had
to take it out, it was too strong.
I moved it into our bathroom and even set on it's highest setting, you
cannot smell anything at all from it.
WHY?
We have a whole house 5 function Air Purifier in our home.
It works so well it completely removes all odors, even the ones you
want to keep in the house, hi hi....
In my garage office I only have a 1 function small ionizer. Ionizers
do not remove odors. But my office is dust free!

TTUL
Gary

Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. wrote:
Hi Joseph

I think you got me this time, I really don't know, but it WAS the
thicker published booklet not a magazine I was referring to.

Now, as to whether or not it was Consumer Reports or Consumer
Research, I don't really remember, I thought it was the Consumer
Reports booklet, but I could be wrong.

I don't recall Consumer Research doing a booklet. So I will guess you
are right about that.

Since you looking up the information in the booklet, that could have
been the problem. The information in the booklets are edited down and don't
contain all the information in the full report. I always recommend reading
the whole report from Consumer Reports for just such a reason. It is easy
to get the wrong idea from just looking at the ratings. You can easily find
something rated highly based on issues that don't apply to you.

It has been a lot of years since I have bought one after getting
burned so many times from going by their data.
I think the last one I ever purchased was around 1982-84.

As for the rest, I don't think I can easily look back to 1982 to find
the original report.


TTUL
Gary



"Joseph Meehan" verbositized:

Are you sure that was "Consumer Reports" and not "Consumer Research:
magazine. How long ago was this report. That does not sound like
Consumer
Reports.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math


"Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr." wrote in
message
...
Hi Joseph

Most people who share this experience have chosen products based on
the
ratings without reading the entire story. The ratings are based on
what
CR
considers average users. Few people are average users and you really
need to look at how they rated the product and chose based on what
features are important to you.

Consumer Reports OFTEN fails to test for user friendlyness or
suitability for the use intended or longetivity of replacement
components.

They rated one of the most expensive (to use) and shortest lived water
filters ever made as being a best buy.
A much lower cost unit performed better, lasted longer between filter
changes and removed more contaminants. The lower cost unit was even
much easier to change the cartridges when required.

A number of years ago I purchased a Shop-Vac brand vacuum to replace
an old Hercules that was giving up the ghost. At that time Hercules
was still available.
Of the 6 different specific use vacuums they tested, Shop-Vac was at
the top of the list and Hercules was 2nd to the bottom of the list for
similar size and capacity vacuums.

Shop-Vac all models are wrought with serious engineering design
problems! Not one mention in the Consumer Reports writeup on Shop-Vac
said they were top heavy and tipped over continually. Not one mention
in the Consumer Reports writeup on Shop-Vac said the wands assembled
backwards and were very likely to easily clog because of it.
Not one mention in the Consumer Reports write up on Shop-Vac said you
had to change out the filters in order to use them for wet pickup.
And not one write up said they blow water all over the place when near
full.

Hercules on the other hand had greater power, low center of gravity,
pickup hose and wands that almost could not clog and it could handle
debris over 8 inches in length, Shop-Vac is limited to less than 4
inches. Hercules wet/dry did not require different filters for dry or
wet pickup, although the dry only machine is the best buy and most
useful. A separate water drum may be used with all Hercules vacs and
on some models this separate drum is conveniently stored inside the
vac with very little loss in waste storage capacity of the unit.
Hercules even made a special recleanable filter for use in picking up
filter clogging materials such as drywall dust, soot or other fine
powders.
By placing this wonderful vac at second to the bottom in the list of
special purpose vacs, it caused Hercules to go out of business, and
they had a FAR SUPERIOR product than Shop-Vac who got the top rating
by Consumer Reports.

Spoken like a true salesman for the ionizer industry.

Sorry, I don't sell them, I only use them.
But to be honest, after using them for many years I did attempt at
selling my favorite brand for a few months.
A salesman I'm not, but I'm GREAT at complaining about the flaws I
have found in the various models I have used over the years.

Here is some food for thought!
You know those new Wisp air fresheners that just came out?
I was given three of them to test awhile back.
I placed one in my garage office, set on it's lowest setting. I had
to take it out, it was too strong.
I moved it into our bathroom and even set on it's highest setting, you
cannot smell anything at all from it.
WHY?
We have a whole house 5 function Air Purifier in our home.
It works so well it completely removes all odors, even the ones you
want to keep in the house, hi hi....
In my garage office I only have a 1 function small ionizer. Ionizers
do not remove odors. But my office is dust free!

TTUL
Gary

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math