On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.

On 04/06/2021 18:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do
anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.

If there was another animal that could understand the concept of
consent, then I might agree with you.

Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be
acting on pure instinct.

We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites,
living off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings

Yes, the most advanced sentient species does indeed to that.

and doesn't do anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own
species.

The most advanced sentient species in fact breeds and eats
most of the other sentient species because they are nice to eat.

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 19:18:00 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:

If there was another animal that could understand the concept of
consent, then I might agree with you.

Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be
acting on pure instinct.

We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites,
living off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.

Demented senile ASSHOLES! LOL

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 04:31:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Another typical retarded conversation between our two village idiots,
Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: "You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring."

Senile Rodent: "Then **** the cats. That wont be boring."

Birdbrain: "Sell me a de-clawing tool first."

Senile Rodent: "Wont help with the teeth."

Birdbrain: "They've never gone for me with their mouths."

Rodent Speed: "They will if you are stupid enough to try ****ing them."

Birdbrain: "No, they always use claws."

Rodent Speed: "They wont if you try ****ing them. Try it and see."

Message-ID:

Fredxx presented the following explanation :
On 04/06/2021 18:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do
anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.

If there was another animal that could understand the concept of consent,
then I might agree with you.

Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be acting
on pure instinct.

We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites, living
off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets. They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though. Some even seem to be thankful afterward.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 19:18:00 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 04/06/2021 18:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do
anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.

If there was another animal that could understand the concept of
consent, then I might agree with you.

Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be
acting on pure instinct.

We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites,
living off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.

We act on instinct too. If I punch you in the face, you will try to avoid it. If you feel hungry, you find food. It's all instincts, we just do what is required to make ourselves comfortable. And if you had any sense you would treat an animal that doesn't know how to solder a circuit board as just as important as you.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 20:59:46 +0100, FromTheRafters wrote:

Fredxx presented the following explanation :
On 04/06/2021 18:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do
anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.

If there was another animal that could understand the concept of consent,
then I might agree with you.

Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be acting
on pure instinct.

We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites, living
off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets. They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though. Some even seem to be thankful afterward.

I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence. They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 23:17:13 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 04/06/2021 22:27, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:59:46 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:
snip

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets.

Of course there are, and loads of other animals 'trusting' humans when
they have had no prior negative contact with them and so reason to.

Trust is instinctive. There is usually some payback for the risk. By way
of example, a robin would frequently fly indoors at work during the
Winter months. The same doesn't happen in Summer.

They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though.

Again, they obviously do, otherwise millions of mating (assent)
rituals would all be in vein.

It's not obvious, well, maybe in your dreams.

Same with not giving consent (dissent) to attack / kill them with
animals desperately trying to escape the killing box in a
slaughterhouse or gas chambers.

Most animals grown for food are unlikely to understand the concept of
death, so consent is pointless.

Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 23:17:13 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 04/06/2021 22:27, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:59:46 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:
snip

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets.

Of course there are, and loads of other animals 'trusting' humans when
they have had no prior negative contact with them and so reason to.

Trust is instinctive. There is usually some payback for the risk. By way
of example, a robin would frequently fly indoors at work during the
Winter months. The same doesn't happen in Summer.

They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though.

Again, they obviously do, otherwise millions of mating (assent)
rituals would all be in vein.

It's not obvious, well, maybe in your dreams.

Same with not giving consent (dissent) to attack / kill them with
animals desperately trying to escape the killing box in a
slaughterhouse or gas chambers.

Most animals grown for food are unlikely to understand the concept of
death, so consent is pointless.

Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.

Not just its mate, dogs can do that with their masters too.

And elephants can work out when one of them has died.

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:26:00 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish ****** and the senile
Ozzietard:

Birdbrain: "Horse **** doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky ****, but then why does vegetarian human **** stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow **** stinks too."

Message-ID:

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:17:15 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 05/06/2021 20:04, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:
snip stupid troll trolling

Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.

Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.

It's stupid trolls like ****Headxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.

But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(

Cheers, T i m


Cows are given a reprieve (from causing global warming) -


https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...-methane-burps

I thought it was common knowledge that cows are nowhere near the biggest producer of methane.

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:21:49 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:56:05 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 20:59:46 +0100, FromTheRafters wrote:

snip troll ****

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets. They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though. Some even seem to be thankful afterward.

I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.

Probably one of DickHeadxx traps. It wasn't Spuke as he doesn't eat
sheep for some reason (or cows) but eats everything else apparently.

Wasn't a trap, it was the fence supposed to be keeping them in.

They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.

Animals do have a good sense of that ... many have a greater sense of
that than we do (given the range of senses they can use that we don't
even possess).

No dog is ever vicious with me, even when the owner has warned me I'll get my finger removed. I once cuddled a cat while waiting for someone to answer the door, the owner was shocked, she claimed even she had her face clawed if she tried that.

Like our dog is very fussy re who he will approach, let alone allow to
approach / pet him and it's a rare moment indeed when he will just
walk up to someone (a stranger) and indicate he wants to be friends.

When he does these people are generally calm, always dog owners /
lovers and understand that he will give them consent if he is happy /
wants attention.

Then there are people he sees regularly, have never done anything
aggressive towards us or him and yet he will still bark at them. In
most cases they aren't 'comfortable' around dogs and it's obvious he
can sense that.

It's probably down to the aroma they radiate (the smell of fear), if
dogs can detect the residue of Corona virus on someone's T-shirt, even
if worn by someone who doesn't have Covid, even as they walk past the
dog, who know what signals we give off unwittingly?

And for a smallish dog he's got a very loud bark and that has made
many people jump. ;-)

I know one dog I can make very angry by staring at it. Quite funny as I can make it charge at the front door by looking through the window. The hallway is slippery (laminate), it never remembers this and collides with the door at high speed.

On 06/06/2021 18:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:17:15 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 05/06/2021 20:04, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:
snip stupid troll trolling

Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's
mate.

Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.

It's stupid trolls like ****Headxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.

But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(

Cheers, T i m


Cows are given a reprieve (from causing global warming)* -


https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...-methane-burps


I thought it was common knowledge that cows are nowhere near the biggest
producer of methane.

It is significant, but there are food additives that reduce it. You
won't find any fanatical vegan promoting this.


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ons-scientists

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33805324/

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 19:38:05 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:


It is significant, but there are food additives that reduce it. You
won't find any fanatical vegan promoting this.

WTF has all your senile **** got to do with the two ngs you keep
crossposting it to, you abnormal troll-feeding senile smartass?

On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 21:02:04 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 18:55:04 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.

Probably one of DickHeadxx traps. It wasn't Spuke as he doesn't eat
sheep for some reason (or cows) but eats everything else apparently.

Wasn't a trap, it was the fence supposed to be keeping them in.

I know rolls eyes ... ;-)

They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.

Animals do have a good sense of that ... many have a greater sense of
that than we do (given the range of senses they can use that we don't
even possess).

No dog is ever vicious with me, even when the owner has warned me I'll get my finger removed.

I still might stay respectful and let the dog come to me etc.

This happened a few years back. I went to post something through a woman's letterbox (they're on the front door for any backward Americans reading this). There was a closed gate and a sleeping large dog. I had to open the gate to get to the letterbox. The dog awoke and very quickly shot out of the garden and ran off out of sight. The woman ran out of the house swearing at me, chased the dog, and took several minutes to get it anywhere near the house, but it wouldn't go on the lead or in the garden. Still waiting in the garden, I crouched down and beckoned to the dog. It came over and played with me. She shut the gate, stared at me, then said, "That was very stupid!" "What?" "That dog is dangerous! Why did you come in my garden?" "You hid your front door behind the garden." "Get off my property!" "With or without the dog that hates you?" I opened the gate to leave and the dog tried to follow, almost knocking her down when she stopped it.

I once cuddled a cat while waiting for someone to answer the door, the owner was shocked, she claimed even she had her face clawed if she tried that.

Yup, I seem to have a similar reaction. I was warned against putting
my fingers anywhere near the cage of sisters neighbours large parrot
when they were away and she was looking after it. I went with her to
feed it and she popped home to get something and when she came back it
had it's head up against the bars and I was stroking it. Apparently
it's beak was like 'bolt croppers' and it 'hated men'. ;-(

I had a macaw that was in love with an amazon (called Sky). If I tried to pick up Sky, the macaw would shout "No! Don't touch! Leave Sky alone!" Ignoring this warning was not advisable. It's cool how they learn the meaning of words from things I've said and put them together in a different order.

And for a smallish dog he's got a very loud bark and that has made
many people jump. ;-)

I know one dog I can make very angry by staring at it. Quite funny as I can make it charge at the front door by looking through the window. The hallway is slippery (laminate), it never remembers this and collides with the door at high speed.

They can forget themselves sometimes but I tend not to torment them
under any circumstances.

Teasing isn't tormenting.

On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 19:38:05 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 06/06/2021 18:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:17:15 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 05/06/2021 20:04, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:
snip stupid troll trolling

Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's
mate.

Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.

It's stupid trolls like ****Headxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.

But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(

Cheers, T i m


Cows are given a reprieve (from causing global warming) -


https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...-methane-burps


I thought it was common knowledge that cows are nowhere near the biggest
producer of methane.

It is significant, but there are food additives that reduce it. You
won't find any fanatical vegan promoting this.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ons-scientists

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33805324/

There's no point in reducing something that isn't the main cause.

On Tue, 08 Jun 2021 23:16:32 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:31:48 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

I still might stay respectful and let the dog come to me etc.

This happened a few years back. I went to post something through a woman's letterbox (they're on the front door for any backward Americans reading this).

;-)

There was a closed gate and a sleeping large dog. I had to open the gate to get to the letterbox. The dog awoke and very quickly shot out of the garden and ran off out of sight. The woman ran out of the house swearing at me,

I sort of get that, especially if you saw the dog before opening the
gate?

*sleeping* large dog.

chased the dog, and took several minutes to get it anywhere near the house, but it wouldn't go on the lead or in the garden. Still waiting in the garden, I crouched down and beckoned to the dog. It came over and played with me.

Like they do when you aren't threatening to the or even better, look
like fun.

I wasn't the one that shut it in a small garden.

She shut the gate, stared at me, then said, "That was very stupid!" "What?" "That dog is dangerous! Why did you come in my garden?" "You hid your front door behind the garden." "Get off my property!" "With or without the dog that hates you?" I opened the gate to leave and the dog tried to follow, almost knocking her down when she stopped it.

Hehe. And some people don't think animals can't give consent (or
assent or dissent). ;-)

Met a lady (again [1]) when walking to a mates with the Mrs earlier
who was waling / trainer her 18 month old golden lab. While we were
chatting I was playing ball with the dog and at one point he picked up
my Tilley hat and ran off with it. So I picked up his ball and he
dropped the hat. ;-)

Ah! Bribery!

snip

I had a macaw that was in love with an amazon (called Sky).

I really couldn't keep a bird and never have. Seems to be the ultimate
level of imprisonment to me, other than maybe racing pigeons (but
don't agree with those either etc). Of all creatures that deserve to
be free, birds are it.

I don't like them in cages, I keep them in aviaries or loose in the house. At the moment, there are 6 greys and amazons (out of 8) who have chosen not to come out of the aviaries. The doors are open into the house, and only two regularly come out to explore.

I did rescue a Rock Dove that (after treatment by the vet) couldn't
fly so stayed in the garden in the roost I made him / her.

The whippets could typically get to any visiting cat before they could
get near the pigeon. ;-)

If I tried to pick up Sky, the macaw would shout "No! Don't touch! Leave Sky alone!"

And he was completely right of course, unless you left the window open
during the day for it to come and go as it pleased?

They don't understand the dangers of hawks, other people, cars, etc.

On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 19:39:16 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:


I thought you were brighter than this.

WHAT made you "think" so, Freddie, you troll-feeding senile smartass? Your
senility? BG