On Thu, 27 May 2021 15:04:51 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 5/27/2021 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2021 17:09:55 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 26 May 2021 10:43:05 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 5/26/2021 8:21 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 May 2021 09:34:42 +0100, Mike Coon
wrote:

In article , NONONOmisc07
@fmguy.com says...

Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

I actually found a recycler in driving distance who claims he will even
take my CRT tvs.

Maybe there's a market for recycled vacuum? ;-)

When I was a schoolboy in the UK back in the 1950s, local kids would
carry CRTs over a girder bridge across a town river in order to drop
them some distance to the water where they would implode.

I averted my eyes as I walked past (to school) in case one got cracked
on the girders while still being held by the child...

I would not litter but I have broken open a couple CRT tvs, one to see
the shadow screen (is that what it's called?) that color tvs had with
one hole for every 3 dots. The other was a 6 or 8" tv and I broke away
enough of the neck and adjoining glass to plant a plant in it. The
thing grew really well, and I wonder if the phosphorus was responsible.

No drainage at the screen end, so I had to be carfeful not to overwater.


CRT's are mage of leaded glass to stop radiation. They thus require
special processing.

I think that is mostly hysteria. The lead in the glass is very well
sequestered in the glass. The amount that could leach out is
infinitesimal and not significant in what we throw in landfills.

Crystal is leaded, too. Vitrification is one of the best ways to
sequester bad stuff. It would be good for radioactive waste but
somewhat expensive.


The laws here make it very clear that even putting CRTs in the garbage
is prohibited. Of course, you obviously know way more than the experts

No one said the law was sane. Yes, I do know more than politicians.
You? Perhaps not.

On Thu, 27 May 2021 15:04:51 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 5/27/2021 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2021 17:09:55 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 26 May 2021 10:43:05 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 5/26/2021 8:21 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 May 2021 09:34:42 +0100, Mike Coon
wrote:

In article , NONONOmisc07
@fmguy.com says...

Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

I actually found a recycler in driving distance who claims he will even
take my CRT tvs.

Maybe there's a market for recycled vacuum? ;-)

When I was a schoolboy in the UK back in the 1950s, local kids would
carry CRTs over a girder bridge across a town river in order to drop
them some distance to the water where they would implode.

I averted my eyes as I walked past (to school) in case one got cracked
on the girders while still being held by the child...

I would not litter but I have broken open a couple CRT tvs, one to see
the shadow screen (is that what it's called?) that color tvs had with
one hole for every 3 dots. The other was a 6 or 8" tv and I broke away
enough of the neck and adjoining glass to plant a plant in it. The
thing grew really well, and I wonder if the phosphorus was responsible.

No drainage at the screen end, so I had to be carfeful not to overwater.


CRT's are mage of leaded glass to stop radiation. They thus require
special processing.

I think that is mostly hysteria. The lead in the glass is very well
sequestered in the glass. The amount that could leach out is
infinitesimal and not significant in what we throw in landfills.

Crystal is leaded, too. Vitrification is one of the best ways to
sequester bad stuff. It would be good for radioactive waste but
somewhat expensive.


The laws here make it very clear that even putting CRTs in the garbage
is prohibited. Of course, you obviously know way more than the experts

Since when were politicians experts at anything but getting reelected?

There is more lead in your drinking water from the tap than would
leach out of a CRT if your house has copper pipe installed before the
Reagan administration or whenever the post 1986 plumbing code was
adopted in your jurisdiction. Ask those folks in Flint about that. (or
DC)

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On Thu, 27 May 2021 15:04:51 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 5/27/2021 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2021 17:09:55 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 26 May 2021 10:43:05 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 5/26/2021 8:21 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 May 2021 09:34:42 +0100, Mike Coon
wrote:

In article ,
NONONOmisc07
@fmguy.com says...

Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

I actually found a recycler in driving distance who claims he will
even
take my CRT tvs.

Maybe there's a market for recycled vacuum? ;-)

When I was a schoolboy in the UK back in the 1950s, local kids would
carry CRTs over a girder bridge across a town river in order to drop
them some distance to the water where they would implode.

I averted my eyes as I walked past (to school) in case one got
cracked
on the girders while still being held by the child...

I would not litter but I have broken open a couple CRT tvs, one to
see
the shadow screen (is that what it's called?) that color tvs had with
one hole for every 3 dots. The other was a 6 or 8" tv and I broke
away
enough of the neck and adjoining glass to plant a plant in it. The
thing grew really well, and I wonder if the phosphorus was
responsible.

No drainage at the screen end, so I had to be carfeful not to
overwater.


CRT's are mage of leaded glass to stop radiation. They thus require
special processing.

I think that is mostly hysteria. The lead in the glass is very well
sequestered in the glass. The amount that could leach out is
infinitesimal and not significant in what we throw in landfills.

Crystal is leaded, too. Vitrification is one of the best ways to
sequester bad stuff. It would be good for radioactive waste but
somewhat expensive.


The laws here make it very clear that even putting CRTs in the garbage
is prohibited. Of course, you obviously know way more than the experts

Since when were politicians experts at anything but getting reelected?

Trump couldn't even manage that. Ditto with the shrub's dad.

There is more lead in your drinking water from the tap than would
leach out of a CRT if your house has copper pipe installed before the
Reagan administration or whenever the post 1986 plumbing code was
adopted in your jurisdiction. Ask those folks in Flint about that. (or DC)

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Since when were politicians experts at anything but getting reelected?

Trump couldn't even manage that. Ditto with the shrub's dad.

American politics again? Absolutely NONE of yours, senile Ozzietard!

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I missed the start of this, what is the device exactly?
If its something tactile and modern stuff is not then if it works then
blind charities might be a good place to start.
Brian

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 May 2021 21:11:33 +0100, Bob F wrote:

On 5/26/2021 12:02 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:53:24 +0100, "Commander
Kinsey" wrote:


I guess IIUC UPS would wrap things for shipping if I sold on ebay, but
I'm not ready for that yet.

Has to be a fair price to bother with that. Ebay take 10%, then you
pay shipping. If it's not going to make a profit, put it on freecycle,

The freecycle here is dying away. Get far fewer emails from them than 5
years ago. Though someone did take my gas lawnmower on Monday, and I
got a small stack of Handyman magazines yesterday.

But those are exceptions.

there will be someone who wants to play with old stuff, and you don't
have to bother packing it, they come and collect it.

Ebay reaches more people. Those here who read Freecycle, or NextDoor,
or a community webpage I could use, don't know how to fiddle with any of
my old stuff.

When I post anything usable on freecycle or craigslist "free", it often
goes in minutes.

I thought Craigslist was a dating site?

The 50 yo cast iron table saw table took a couple days.

To carry it to the destination?

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

I missed the start of this, what is the device exactly?

Micky in ahr wasn’t initially specific but later talked
about modems and routers and CRT tvs.

If its something tactile and modern stuff is not then if it works then
blind charities might be a good place to start.

No its not.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 May 2021 21:11:33 +0100, Bob F wrote:

On 5/26/2021 12:02 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:53:24 +0100, "Commander
Kinsey" wrote:


I guess IIUC UPS would wrap things for shipping if I sold on ebay,
but
I'm not ready for that yet.

Has to be a fair price to bother with that. Ebay take 10%, then you
pay shipping. If it's not going to make a profit, put it on
freecycle,

The freecycle here is dying away. Get far fewer emails from them than
5
years ago. Though someone did take my gas lawnmower on Monday, and I
got a small stack of Handyman magazines yesterday.

But those are exceptions.

there will be someone who wants to play with old stuff, and you don't
have to bother packing it, they come and collect it.

Ebay reaches more people. Those here who read Freecycle, or NextDoor,
or a community webpage I could use, don't know how to fiddle with any
of
my old stuff.

When I post anything usable on freecycle or craigslist "free", it often
goes in minutes.

I thought Craigslist was a dating site?

The 50 yo cast iron table saw table took a couple days.

To carry it to the destination?

On Fri, 28 May 2021 08:07:22 +0100, Brainless & Daft, the notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

I missed the start of this, what is the device exactly?
If its something tactile and modern stuff is not then if it works then
blind charities might be a good place to start.
Brainless & Daft

Are you at it again, you deteriorated troll-feeding senile mole?

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Well if its a tv of the analogue type then retro gamers with old consoles or
computers are your target, if its modems, sadly not much call for them if
they have a psu though a lot of people might like an analogue psu to replace
the crappy switch mode ones that they supply now that make good radio
jammers.
I was thinking about radios when I talked about tactile, or indeed washing
machines or other devices with switches.
Brian

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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

I missed the start of this, what is the device exactly?

Micky in ahr wasn’t initially specific but later talked
about modems and routers and CRT tvs.

If its something tactile and modern stuff is not then if it works then
blind charities might be a good place to start.

No its not.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 26 May 2021 21:11:33 +0100, Bob F wrote:

On 5/26/2021 12:02 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:53:24 +0100, "Commander
Kinsey" wrote:


I guess IIUC UPS would wrap things for shipping if I sold on ebay,
but
I'm not ready for that yet.

Has to be a fair price to bother with that. Ebay take 10%, then you
pay shipping. If it's not going to make a profit, put it on
freecycle,

The freecycle here is dying away. Get far fewer emails from them than
5
years ago. Though someone did take my gas lawnmower on Monday, and I
got a small stack of Handyman magazines yesterday.

But those are exceptions.

there will be someone who wants to play with old stuff, and you don't
have to bother packing it, they come and collect it.

Ebay reaches more people. Those here who read Freecycle, or NextDoor,
or a community webpage I could use, don't know how to fiddle with any
of
my old stuff.

When I post anything usable on freecycle or craigslist "free", it often
goes in minutes.

I thought Craigslist was a dating site?

The 50 yo cast iron table saw table took a couple days.

To carry it to the destination?

On 28/05/2021 14:20, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Well if its a tv of the analogue type then retro gamers with old consoles or
computers are your target

Snip

I've still got an old Microvitec Cub monitor, dedicated for the Sinclair
QL in my loft (although it can be adjusted to work with CGA, EGA or
rough equivalents).

On Thu, 27 May 2021 20:40:15 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
micky wrote

Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I found a 70s Commodore Pet (8KB RAM) going for 3 grand!

Its much higher with the earlier stuff.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That's certainly a bit dubious.

Why? Presumably they break it for materials, like with any electronics.

There isnt much of any real value in a CRT tv.

Even the glass isnt of any real value because
its very specialised glass and there is plenty of
much more useful glass with used drink bottles.

I know, except for some weird situation I won't
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

We have fibre optics.

We do too and all the new stuff is, but we also have VDSL2+
and so do you. I could have said the original better.

Only in a very few outlying areas.

That's not true.

It is in the UK. We even got fibre to the home at 18% a year ago. Pretty much everyone has fibre to the cabinet, which is usually 40-80Mbit.

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wir...-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

I virtually never use my wifi.

I do for the smartphone which I use all the time
and for the kindle and for all the fully automated
lights etc and for all the stuff like echo dots, google
home minis and for the video surveillance too.

I'm trying to set up video surveillance - testing some USB cameras, might
go for IP cameras over an ethernet cable. But WiFi is nowhere near fast
enough for several 4K video streams.

Plenty fast enough for the one for each camera.

What is that in English? What I meant was Wifi is shared is it not? Between all the cameras.

It's only for the mobile phone, and only because I run science projects
on it which would eat 4G data.

Yep, you are a real dinosaur tech wise.

I only use tech that I need or want,

But what you need or want is stupid with smartphones.

********, what am I not using that would benefit me?

you use it for the sake of it.

Wrong, I use tech that I need or want.

Most of what you have are gimmics.

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

Well if its a tv of the analogue type then retro gamers with old consoles
or computers are your target,

Nope, they want flashy curved multiple screens.

if its modems, sadly not much call for them if they have a psu

Havent seen one that doesn’t use a plug
pack for getting on for half a century now.

though a lot of people might like an analogue psu to replace the crappy
switch mode ones that they supply now that make good radio jammers.

A microscopic handful imo.

I was thinking about radios when I talked about tactile,

Makes more sense to use alexa etc if you are blind.

or indeed washing machines or other devices with switches.

Rod Speed wrote
Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

I missed the start of this, what is the device exactly?

Micky in ahr wasn’t initially specific but later talked
about modems and routers and CRT tvs.

If its something tactile and modern stuff is not then if it works then
blind charities might be a good place to start.

No its not.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Wed, 26 May 2021 21:11:33 +0100, Bob F wrote:

On 5/26/2021 12:02 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:53:24 +0100, "Commander
Kinsey" wrote:


I guess IIUC UPS would wrap things for shipping if I sold on ebay,
but
I'm not ready for that yet.

Has to be a fair price to bother with that. Ebay take 10%, then you
pay shipping. If it's not going to make a profit, put it on
freecycle,

The freecycle here is dying away. Get far fewer emails from them
than 5
years ago. Though someone did take my gas lawnmower on Monday, and
I
got a small stack of Handyman magazines yesterday.

But those are exceptions.

there will be someone who wants to play with old stuff, and you
don't have to bother packing it, they come and collect it.

Ebay reaches more people. Those here who read Freecycle, or
NextDoor,
or a community webpage I could use, don't know how to fiddle with any
of
my old stuff.

When I post anything usable on freecycle or craigslist "free", it
often
goes in minutes.

I thought Craigslist was a dating site?

The 50 yo cast iron table saw table took a couple days.

To carry it to the destination?

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
micky wrote

Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I found a 70s Commodore Pet (8KB RAM) going for 3 grand!

Its much higher with the earlier stuff.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That's certainly a bit dubious.

Why? Presumably they break it for materials, like with any
electronics.

There isnt much of any real value in a CRT tv.

Even the glass isnt of any real value because
its very specialised glass and there is plenty of
much more useful glass with used drink bottles.

I know, except for some weird situation I won't
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

We have fibre optics.

We do too and all the new stuff is, but we also have VDSL2+
and so do you. I could have said the original better.

Only in a very few outlying areas.

That's not true.

It is in the UK.

Nope.

We even got fibre to the home at 18% a year ago.

Not to all but a very few outlying areas you didn't.

Pretty much everyone has fibre to the cabinet,

That's VDSL2+

which is usually 40-80Mbit.

Mine will do 130Mb but I only pay for 50Mb.

All of our new ones and plenty of existing houses
are fiber to the home and that will do 1Gb

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wir...-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

I virtually never use my wifi.

I do for the smartphone which I use all the time
and for the kindle and for all the fully automated
lights etc and for all the stuff like echo dots, google
home minis and for the video surveillance too.

I'm trying to set up video surveillance - testing some USB cameras,
might go for IP cameras over an ethernet cable. But WiFi is nowhere
near fast enough for several 4K video streams.

Plenty fast enough for the one for each camera.

What is that in English?

There is one wifi stream to each camera.

What I meant was Wifi is shared is it not? Between all the cameras.

Not.

It's only for the mobile phone, and only because I run science
projects on it which would eat 4G data.

Yep, you are a real dinosaur tech wise.

I only use tech that I need or want,

But what you need or want is stupid with smartphones.

********, what am I not using that would benefit me?

Google maps to get to where you want to go with
real time turn by turn directions and traffic etc
when you are going somewhere you havent been
before for a gumtree or freecycle pickup etc.

you use it for the sake of it.

Wrong, I use tech that I need or want.

Most of what you have are gimmics.

Wrong.

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On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 8:59:55 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

I actually found a recycler in driving distance who claims he will even
take my CRT tvs.

I know, except for some weird situation I won't find, no one wants a CRT
TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wir...-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping, but does that mean anyone can
use it?

My wifi router.

a router without wifi? (bought by mistake at a hamfest, when I didn't
notice it had no antenna. Otherwise it looked just like the one I was
using.

Theres a recycling place that I use quite frequently.
Heres what their website says.

THE DOS AND DON'TS
We like to say, "if it has a plug or a power source, we can recycle it."
But let's get specific.

Here are the lists of what we can -- and can't -- take.

WE DO ACCEPT

- Audio/Video Devices
CD/DVD/VHS/Blu-Ray Players, MP3 Players, iPods, Projectors, Stereos,
Video Game Consoles, Speakers, Receivers, Recorders, Converter
Boxes, Amplifiers, Equalizers

- Batteries
Li-Ion, laptop batteries, lead acid batteries, or batteries from
Uninterrupted Power Supplies (UPS)

- Communication Devices
Cell Phones, Smartphones, PDAs, Telephones, Pagers,
Answering Machines

- Computer Devices
PCs/Laptops/Tablets/Notebooks etc.

- Hardware
All parts that are, or once were, part of electronic devices
(i.e. circuit boards, hard drives, memory, processors, power
supplies, optical drives, etc.)

- Microwaves

- Monitors
LCD, CRT, Security, etc.

- Networking Devices
Servers, Routers, Switches, Hubs, Arrays

- Peripherals
All items used in the function of other electronic devices
(ie. keyboards, mice, speakers, pointing devices, etc.)

- Power Supplies
Uninterrupted Power Supplies (UPS), Surge Protectors

- Printing Devices
Printers, Fax Machines, Scanners, Copiers, Duplicators,
Plotters, Typewriters

- Telecommunication Devices

- Televisions
LCD, CRT, Plasma, etc.

- Test & Measurement Devices
Meters, Oscilloscopes, Logic Analyzers, Bit Error Rate Testers,
Signal Generators, Spectrum Analyzers, Digital Multimeters,
DC Power Supplies, Frequency Counters & Timers, Probes &
Accessories, Video Testing Devices

- Wire/Cabling
All cables, wires, and power cords used in the function of electronic
devices

WE DO NOT ACCEPT

- Batteries
Alkaline, Nickel Cadmium, D-cell, button-cell batteries, etc.

- Electronic Media
CDs, DVDs, VHS, etc.

- Gas-Powered Equipment

- Home Appliances
Washers/Driers, Dishwashers, Refrigerators, Air Conditioners, Dehumidifiers,
Stoves, Vacuum Cleaners, Lamps, Toaster Ovens, etc.

- Household Hazardous Waste
Paint, Oil, Cleaning Supplies, Medication (Pills, Liquids, etc.)

- Lawn Equipment

- Light bulbs/Lamps
Fluorescent, Incandescent, HID, Flood, PL, Biax, etc.

- Liquids
Any and all liquids

On Mon, 24 May 2021 20:59:49 -0400, micky wrote:


I know, except for some weird situation I won't find, no one wants a CRT
TV but what about....


People into classic gaming do. Harder to come by ones like Sony PVM and
BVM models can demand a fair bit of money. Not all CRTs are equal but
targeting gamers into that is an easy way to turn one into some amount of
$

On Thu, 27 May 2021 20:44:46 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
micky wrote
Rod Speed wrote
micky wrote

Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That's certainly a bit dubious.

I know, except for some weird situation I won't
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wir...-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

(bought by mistake at a hamfest, when
I didn't notice it had no antenna. Otherwise
it looked just like the one I was using.

Thanks everyone. The guy who says he'll take the CRT tvs will also
thaek everything else electronic, AC or battery, and I'm going to use
what I find in this thread and decide how much other stuff to take to
him and how much to dispose of elsewhere.

A guy rang my doorbell a few weeks ago having spotted a few car
batteries
(well 1 car battery and 4 sealed ones from a UPS) lying at the side of
my
garage (17m from the pavement) and asked if I wanted rid of them. I
think
you can get a fiver each in bulk, I know someone pays £2 each to a local
garage to take dead ones from there, and presumably he makes a profit.

I've arranged to borrow a pickup to deliver to him, and there's a
hamfest the Sunday before that where I can just give some of the
lighter
stuff to any vendor who might want to sell it and keep what little he
gets money.

(One year I had my own "booth" (tarp) for two days at the Gaithersburg
hamfest, and I did pretty well. Over night, I just left evefrything
there, with prices marked and a couple things were sold, with the money
put under the tarp. Nothing expensive.

I guess IIUC UPS would wrap things for shipping if I sold on ebay, but
I'm not ready for that yet.

Has to be a fair price to bother with that. Ebay take 10%,

then you pay shipping.

Or the buyer does.

Silly way of looking at it.

Yours is.

When I buy I look at the whole price. Item + postage, or item + fuel for
me to drive there.

So does everyone else with a clue.

So you admit I'm correct.

If something is worth £10 to Mr Smith, but it costs £8 to get it to him,
you can only extract £2 from Mr Smith.

Silly way of looking at it.

No it isn't. If you have an item you're clearing out and are thinking of flogging it on Ebay, and it weighs a lot, you can only make the value minus the postage.

If it's not going to make a profit, put it on freecycle,

The local facebook buy swap sell groups work much better.

Maybe they do over there, but here Gumtree and Freecycle work best.

Bull****.

You've never tried it here. There aren't enough people using Facebook, and it's ****ing disorganised. On Gumtree, things are in categories, you can search for things, you can set up email alerts for when someone sells something you're looking for.

I went on a Facebook group and it had about 20 times less stuff. I put a
cooker on Gumtree and was phoned in 2 minutes.

The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample'

It's a huge sample wen you look at what everyone is selling on Gumtree in the whole country, compared to FB.

there will be someone who wants to play with old stuff,

Depends on what it is. No one ever
wants the old CRT tvs or monitors.

People with enough space that just want a crappy screen for a Linux server
do.

There are far fewer

It's "less". Do you have a separate word for more dependant on countability?

of those than there are old CRT tvs or monitors.

But the CRTs have mostly died, so there's a lot less available.

On Fri, 28 May 2021 19:50:16 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
micky wrote

Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I found a 70s Commodore Pet (8KB RAM) going for 3 grand!

Its much higher with the earlier stuff.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That's certainly a bit dubious.

Why? Presumably they break it for materials, like with any
electronics.

There isnt much of any real value in a CRT tv.

Even the glass isnt of any real value because
its very specialised glass and there is plenty of
much more useful glass with used drink bottles.

I know, except for some weird situation I won't
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

We have fibre optics.

We do too and all the new stuff is, but we also have VDSL2+
and so do you. I could have said the original better.

Only in a very few outlying areas.

That's not true.

It is in the UK.

Nope.

We even got fibre to the home at 18% a year ago.

Not to all but a very few outlying areas you didn't.

Look up the BT stats. That's where I got the numbers from.

Pretty much everyone has fibre to the cabinet,

That's VDSL2+

We name it more recognisably.

which is usually 40-80Mbit.

Mine will do 130Mb but I only pay for 50Mb.

Mine will do 54 (long way to the cabinet over copper wire) but I pay for 38.

All of our new ones and plenty of existing houses
are fiber to the home and that will do 1Gb

I dunno about new homes here, but I've seen a few people have it retro fitted. I bet when their next door neighbour asks for it, BT has to do **** all to join it on, but charge them the same.

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wir...-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

I virtually never use my wifi.

I do for the smartphone which I use all the time
and for the kindle and for all the fully automated
lights etc and for all the stuff like echo dots, google
home minis and for the video surveillance too.

I'm trying to set up video surveillance - testing some USB cameras,
might go for IP cameras over an ethernet cable. But WiFi is nowhere
near fast enough for several 4K video streams.

Plenty fast enough for the one for each camera.

What is that in English?

There is one wifi stream to each camera.

What I meant was Wifi is shared is it not? Between all the cameras.

Not.

Your WiFi access point will transmit at a certain speed, that's shared among all devices. Unless you have two access points on different channels, which is difficult as then neighbours start interfering.

It's only for the mobile phone, and only because I run science
projects on it which would eat 4G data.

Yep, you are a real dinosaur tech wise.

I only use tech that I need or want,

But what you need or want is stupid with smartphones.

********, what am I not using that would benefit me?

Google maps to get to where you want to go with
real time turn by turn directions and traffic etc
when you are going somewhere you havent been
before for a gumtree or freecycle pickup etc.

My Satnav does that.

you use it for the sake of it.

Wrong, I use tech that I need or want.

Most of what you have are gimmics.

Wrong.

Still waiting for something useful. Your Alexa isn't for a start you lazy bugger.

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
micky wrote

Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I found a 70s Commodore Pet (8KB RAM) going for 3 grand!

Its much higher with the earlier stuff.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That's certainly a bit dubious.

Why? Presumably they break it for materials, like with any
electronics.

There isnt much of any real value in a CRT tv.

Even the glass isnt of any real value because
its very specialised glass and there is plenty of
much more useful glass with used drink bottles.

I know, except for some weird situation I won't
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

We have fibre optics.

We do too and all the new stuff is, but we also have VDSL2+
and so do you. I could have said the original better.

Only in a very few outlying areas.

That's not true.

It is in the UK.

Nope.

We even got fibre to the home at 18% a year ago.

Not to all but a very few outlying areas you didn't.

Look up the BT stats.

They say nothing like that.

That's where I got the numbers from.

But you didn't understand that fiber
to the cabinet isnt fiber to the home.

Pretty much everyone has fibre to the cabinet,

That's VDSL2+

We name it more recognisably.

But you still couldn't work out that fiber
to the cabinet isnt fiber to the home.

which is usually 40-80Mbit.

Mine will do 130Mb but I only pay for 50Mb.

Mine will do 54 (long way to the cabinet over copper wire) but I pay for
38.

I can have 25 but prefer 50 for the higher upload speed,
20. You only get 5 with a 25 download speed.

You can have 1Gb each way with fiber to the home
which lots have.

All of our new ones and plenty of existing houses
are fiber to the home and that will do 1Gb

I dunno about new homes here, but I've seen a few people have it retro
fitted. I bet when their next door neighbour asks for it, BT has to do
**** all to join it on, but charge them the same.

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wir...-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi
access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

I virtually never use my wifi.

I do for the smartphone which I use all the time
and for the kindle and for all the fully automated
lights etc and for all the stuff like echo dots, google
home minis and for the video surveillance too.

I'm trying to set up video surveillance - testing some USB cameras,
might go for IP cameras over an ethernet cable. But WiFi is nowhere
near fast enough for several 4K video streams.

Plenty fast enough for the one for each camera.

What is that in English?

There is one wifi stream to each camera.

What I meant was Wifi is shared is it not? Between all the cameras.

Not.

Your WiFi access point will transmit at a certain speed, that's shared
among all devices.

Nope, they each get that speed.

Unless you have two access points on different channels, which is
difficult as then neighbours start interfering.

Mangled again.

It's only for the mobile phone, and only because I run science
projects on it which would eat 4G data.

Yep, you are a real dinosaur tech wise.

I only use tech that I need or want,

But what you need or want is stupid with smartphones.

********, what am I not using that would benefit me?

Google maps to get to where you want to go with
real time turn by turn directions and traffic etc
when you are going somewhere you havent been
before for a gumtree or freecycle pickup etc.

My Satnav does that.

Google maps does it much better with you being
able to do it by the name of the commercial
operation and with real time traffic info as well.

you use it for the sake of it.

Wrong, I use tech that I need or want.

Most of what you have are gimmics.

Wrong.

Still waiting for something useful.

You have got plenty in the past.

Your Alexa isn't for a start you lazy bugger.

Google/nest is much better and you are just plain wrong.

Only a fool switches stuff off when going to bed and on
when getting up instead of saying "hey google, goodnight"
and "hey google, good morning" and getting the weather
forecast as well as the lights done. And don't try claiming
that you can just look out the window, I get up in the dark.

Same with the cooking timer for most meals, "hey google,
timer 3" sets 3 timers at once. Alexa cant do that.

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 04:51:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between the two resident idiots:

Birdbrain: "But imagine how cool it was to own slaves."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, right. Feed them, clothe them, and fix them when
they're broken.
After all, you paid good money for them. Then you've got to keep an eye
on them all the time."

Birdbrain: "Better than having to give them wages on top of that."

Senile Rodent: "Specially when they make more slaves for you
and produce their own food and clothes."

MID:

On Fri, 28 May 2021 10:50:31 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Owain Lastname wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Micky in ahr wasnt initially specific but later talked
about modems and routers and CRT tvs.

I've sold a CRT tv to a collector. Quite a young chap too.

(Would have had to be to carry it down the stairs.)

I still have a massive great Grundig that had to have
2 of us lift onto the low table thing it still sits on.

I might cry if I took it up the dump.

In pain from physical exertion or from missing your favourite device?

Old modem/routers, unless they're good ones that cost
£100+ new, or less than a couple of years old, are usually
close to worthless. The free ones given away by ISPs usually
aren't worth more than the £4.95 they charge for postage.

My Technicolor TG789vac v2 HP is brilliant. Much better wifi
than the previous DSL modem/routers I paid good money for.

It's amazing how much ****ty WiFi stuff there is, things that can't go through one plasterboard wall!

On Fri, 28 May 2021 21:16:34 +0100, AJH wrote:

On 28/05/2021 14:23, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

Old network switches seem to still work as long as you don't want breakneck
speeds for things connected to them.

I inherited a heavy Netgear GS 524t switch and still haven't got round
to finding out what they do, care to enlighten me?

How detailed are you looking for? Do you know what switches do?

"Owain Lastname"
wrote in message

Old modem/routers, unless they're good ones that cost £100+ new, or less
than a couple of years old, are usually close to worthless. The free ones
given away by ISPs usually aren't worth more than the £4.95 they charge for
postage.

I'm glad you said that as I'm now going to take several modems, tens of
wall warts and about 10kg of various bits of computer wiring and plugs
to the tip as soon as there is no queue to get in.

I just use the bins that are collected from my house. If things ain't recycled at my kerb, they go in the landfill bin. Routers would be though, we get a box for anything electrical, but it's not big enough for CRTs.

On Fri, 28 May 2021 14:44:21 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

On 28/05/2021 14:20, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Well if its a tv of the analogue type then retro gamers with old consoles or
computers are your target

Snip

I've still got an old Microvitec Cub monitor, dedicated for the Sinclair
QL in my loft (although it can be adjusted to work with CGA, EGA or
rough equivalents).

I remember those at school on BBC computers. Great for giving static shocks to people.

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Owain Lastname wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Micky in ahr wasnt initially specific but later talked
about modems and routers and CRT tvs.

I've sold a CRT tv to a collector. Quite a young chap too.

(Would have had to be to carry it down the stairs.)

I still have a massive great Grundig that had to have
2 of us lift onto the low table thing it still sits on.

I might cry if I took it up the dump.

In pain from physical exertion

Nope, its much too big for one person, it needs two to move it.

or from missing your favourite device?

It has never been my favourite device and
I literally havent used it for decades now.

I am just irritated by a still working fine quite
expensive at the time device being dumped.

I got the same result when the local council scrapped
their previous DEC mini. Bit well designed metal cabinet
with the 11/65 in it with dozens of washing machine
sized disk pack drives. No one bid anything for it at
a bit public auction of all sorts of ex council stuff.

The fella I was standing next to was planning to take
the big metal cabinet and strip everything out of it
and use it for a cubby for his kids. I nearly cried.

Think you lot call a cubby a wendy house or something silly like that.

Old modem/routers, unless they're good ones that cost
£100+ new, or less than a couple of years old, are usually
close to worthless. The free ones given away by ISPs usually
aren't worth more than the £4.95 they charge for postage.

My Technicolor TG789vac v2 HP is brilliant. Much better wifi
than the previous DSL modem/routers I paid good money for.

It's amazing how much ****ty WiFi stuff there is, things that can't go
through one plasterboard wall!

Never seen anything like that. Bet the plasterboard wall had foil
insulation.

The previous Billion 7800NXL was fine and worked fine thru a concrete
block wall and over a 6' high metal fence to the middle of my back
neighbour's backyard about 150' from the modem/router.

The Technicolor TG789vac v2 HP does much better than that, thru
the back neighbour's brick wall and right into the house too.

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:40:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
TYPICAL retarded "conversation" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath
Birdbrain from August 26th 2018:

Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers."

Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads."

Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?"

Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you."

Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?"

Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have."

Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven't learned what a razor is for."

Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal ****wit or a woman shaves their legs."

Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body."

Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with."

MID:

On 05/06/2021 18:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It's amazing how much ****ty WiFi stuff there is, things that can't go
through one plasterboard wall!
especially if its foil backed...

--
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to
rule.
€“ H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 14:56:01 +0100, The Natural Idiot, the notorious,
troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered again:
:
It's amazing how much ****ty WiFi stuff there is, things that can't go
through one plasterboard wall!
especially if its foil backed...

Seems to be as dense as your and his head, The Natural Idiot! BG

On Fri, 28 May 2021 19:15:00 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

Well if its a tv of the analogue type then retro gamers with old consoles
or computers are your target,

Nope, they want flashy curved multiple screens.

Did you miss the word "retro"?

if its modems, sadly not much call for them if they have a psu

Havent seen one that doesnt use a plug
pack for getting on for half a century now.

Not sure what he meant there. Adding "don't" might help. If they have a PSU it can be used for something else.

though a lot of people might like an analogue psu to replace the crappy
switch mode ones that they supply now that make good radio jammers.

A microscopic handful imo.

Switch mode crappy? WTF? Way more stable output.

On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 14:56:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 05/06/2021 18:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It's amazing how much ****ty WiFi stuff there is, things that can't go
through one plasterboard wall!
especially if its foil backed...

Why do people use that indoors? You keep the heat inside the house, not in one room.

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 21:40:27 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Owain Lastname wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Micky in ahr wasnt initially specific but later talked
about modems and routers and CRT tvs.

I've sold a CRT tv to a collector. Quite a young chap too.

(Would have had to be to carry it down the stairs.)

I still have a massive great Grundig that had to have
2 of us lift onto the low table thing it still sits on.

I might cry if I took it up the dump.

In pain from physical exertion

Nope, its much too big for one person, it needs two to move it.

How many inches is the screen?

or from missing your favourite device?

It has never been my favourite device and
I literally havent used it for decades now.

I am just irritated by a still working fine quite
expensive at the time device being dumped.

If it won't go on freecycle, then it's of no use, dump it, or take it apart and make use of the bits.

I got the same result when the local council scrapped
their previous DEC mini. Bit well designed metal cabinet
with the 11/65 in it with dozens of washing machine
sized disk pack drives. No one bid anything for it at
a bit public auction of all sorts of ex council stuff.

The fella I was standing next to was planning to take
the big metal cabinet and strip everything out of it
and use it for a cubby for his kids. I nearly cried.

I cleared out several cupboards of old **** at my work, a lot made me cash on Ebay as it was classed as antique. My predecessor had just hoarded it to avoid paying the recycling fee. Loads of Mac Classics, 15" (ish) video disk players, etc.

Think you lot call a cubby a wendy house or something silly like that.

Yeah, I dunno who Wendy is. Probably a manufacturer's name.

Old modem/routers, unless they're good ones that cost
£100+ new, or less than a couple of years old, are usually
close to worthless. The free ones given away by ISPs usually
aren't worth more than the £4.95 they charge for postage.

My Technicolor TG789vac v2 HP is brilliant. Much better wifi
than the previous DSL modem/routers I paid good money for.

It's amazing how much ****ty WiFi stuff there is, things that can't go
through one plasterboard wall!

Never seen anything like that. Bet the plasterboard wall had foil
insulation.

On the inside of a house?!

The previous Billion 7800NXL was fine and worked fine thru a concrete
block wall and over a 6' high metal fence to the middle of my back
neighbour's backyard about 150' from the modem/router.

The Technicolor TG789vac v2 HP does much better than that, thru
the back neighbour's brick wall and right into the house too.

I'm talking about the ones that come free with the ISP.

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

Well if its a tv of the analogue type then retro gamers with old
consoles or computers are your target,

Nope, they want flashy curved multiple screens.

Did you miss the word "retro"?

You missed computers.

if its modems, sadly not much call for them if they have a psu

Havent seen one that doesnt use a plug
pack for getting on for half a century now.

Not sure what he meant there. Adding "don't" might help.

Nope.

If they have a PSU it can be used for something else.

Havent seen one that doesnt use a plug
pack for getting on for half a century now.

But given the sentence from him below, he is clearly
talking about plug packs when he says psu. My brainfart.

though a lot of people might like an analogue psu to replace the crappy
switch mode ones that they supply now that make good radio jammers.

A microscopic handful imo.

Switch mode crappy?

Nope, an analogue psu. One with a mains
transformer and not a switch mode psu.

WTF? Way more stable output.

But he is complaining about the hash he gets with his short wave radio
listening.

Commander Kinsey wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

It's amazing how much ****ty WiFi stuff there is,
things that can't go through one plasterboard wall!

especially if its foil backed...

Why do people use that indoors?

Because it gives a better result heating wise.

You keep the heat inside the house, not in one room.

Plenty heat the room they are using, not the whole house.

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Owain Lastname wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Micky in ahr wasnt initially specific but later talked
about modems and routers and CRT tvs.

I've sold a CRT tv to a collector. Quite a young chap too.

(Would have had to be to carry it down the stairs.)

I still have a massive great Grundig that had to have
2 of us lift onto the low table thing it still sits on.

I might cry if I took it up the dump.

In pain from physical exertion

Nope, its much too big for one person, it needs two to move it.

How many inches is the screen?

Grundig Elegance MFW 82 3110 Widescreen

30" diagonal with a massive 3" bezel all round.

or from missing your favourite device?

It has never been my favourite device and
I literally havent used it for decades now.

I am just irritated by a still working fine quite
expensive at the time device being dumped.

If it won't go on freecycle,

No one would want it.

then it's of no use, dump it,

Grundig Elegance MFW 82 3110 Widescreen

or take it apart and make use of the bits.

No useful bits in it.

I got the same result when the local council scrapped
their previous DEC mini. Bit well designed metal cabinet
with the 11/65 in it with dozens of washing machine
sized disk pack drives. No one bid anything for it at
a bit public auction of all sorts of ex council stuff.

The fella I was standing next to was planning to take
the big metal cabinet and strip everything out of it
and use it for a cubby for his kids. I nearly cried.

I cleared out several cupboards of old **** at my work, a lot made me cash
on Ebay as it was classed as antique.

No one wanted it or any of the dozens of washing
machine sized pack drives either. They were all
antiques but would have cost a fortune to ship.

My predecessor had just hoarded it to avoid paying the recycling fee.
Loads of Mac Classics, 15" (ish) video disk players, etc.

This was much older than that stuff.

But my comment was about crying, not its sale value.

Think you lot call a cubby a wendy house or something silly like that.

Yeah, I dunno who Wendy is. Probably a manufacturer's name.

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_house

Old modem/routers, unless they're good ones that cost
£100+ new, or less than a couple of years old, are usually
close to worthless. The free ones given away by ISPs usually
aren't worth more than the £4.95 they charge for postage.

My Technicolor TG789vac v2 HP is brilliant. Much better wifi
than the previous DSL modem/routers I paid good money for.

It's amazing how much ****ty WiFi stuff there is, things that can't go
through one plasterboard wall!

Never seen anything like that. Bet the plasterboard wall had foil
insulation.

On the inside of a house?!

Yep, allows you to heat individual rooms
being used and not the entire house.

The previous Billion 7800NXL was fine and worked fine thru a concrete
block wall and over a 6' high metal fence to the middle of my back
neighbour's backyard about 150' from the modem/router.

The Technicolor TG789vac v2 HP does much better than that, thru
the back neighbour's brick wall and right into the house too.

I'm talking about the ones that come free with the ISP.

The Technicolor TG789vac v2 HP did.

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:06:41 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between Birdbrain and senile Rodent:

Senile Rodent: " Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own ****?"

Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the ****."

MID:

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:29:41 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish ****** and the senile
Ozzietard:

Birdbrain: "Horse **** doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky ****, but then why does vegetarian human **** stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow **** stinks too."

Message-ID:

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:09:24 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
TYPICAL retarded "conversation" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath
Birdbrain from August 26th 2018:

Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers."

Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads."

Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?"

Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you."

Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?"

Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have."

Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven't learned what a razor is for."

Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal ****wit or a woman shaves their legs."

Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body."

Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with."

MID:

On 06/06/2021 18:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 14:56:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 05/06/2021 18:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It's amazing how much ****ty WiFi stuff there is, things that can't go
through one plasterboard wall!
especially if its foil backed...

Why do people use that indoors?Â* You keep the heat inside the house, not
in one room.

Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear.

When you have rockwool in your walls, it makes a good vapour barrier.

Its especially useful for bathrooms and kitchens


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On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 07:45:26 +0100, The Natural Idiot, the notorious,
troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered again:



Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear.

About to climax, senile sucker of troll cock? BG

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 07:45:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 06/06/2021 18:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 14:56:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 05/06/2021 18:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It's amazing how much ****ty WiFi stuff there is, things that can't go
through one plasterboard wall!
especially if its foil backed...

Why do people use that indoors? You keep the heat inside the house, not
in one room.

Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear.

When you have rockwool in your walls, it makes a good vapour barrier.

Its especially useful for bathrooms and kitchens

Why are you confusing rockwool with tin foil?