It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for damages from the CCP?"

https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/

On 20/05/2021 17:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

At the risk of wishing I hadn't commented.....

It wasn't spread all over the globe in every city, town and village by
the Chinese, was it?

The rest of the negligent and insanitary did that.

On 5/20/2021 12:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"

https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/


Question that formed in my mind is that if only 5,000 people have died
in China from the virus and over 100 times that many in the US then
maybe the Chinese were trying to design a virus that does not kill
Chinese people.

I think someone in China quipped that if they had designed it, it would
have been far more deadly. Maybe they were working on that before it
escaped the Wuhan labs.

My comments may sound nutty but we seem to be living in a nutty world today.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 17:56:24 +0100, R D S, another brain damaged
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:


At the risk of wishing I hadn't commented.....

Yeah, but you did comment, simply because you are another brain damaged
troll-feeding senile idiot who is THANKFUL that some idiotic troll baited
him with some absolutely idiotic bait! "THINK" about it, if you still can,
senile twit! G

On Thu, 20 May 2021 17:39:56 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven ******","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore's latest
attention-baiting sick bull**** unread again

And you HAD to post the same **** to SEVERAL ngs SEPARATELY again, just so
you could get all the more attention out of SEVERAL threads, you ****ed up
stupid ****** and attention whore!

--
AndyW addressing Birdbrain:
"Troll or idiot?...
You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
historical cases, citations and references to back it up and wilfully
ignore all going back to your idea which has no supporting information."
MID:

--
Tony944 addressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I seen and heard many people but you are on top of list being first class
ass hole jerk. ...You fit under unconditional Idiot and should be put in
mental institution.
MID:

--
Pelican to Birdbrain Macaw:
"Ok. I'm persuaded . You are an idiot."
MID:

--
DerbyDad03 addressing Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"Frigging Idiot. Get the hell out of my thread."
MID:

--
Kerr Mudd-John about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey LOL):
"It's like arguing with a demented frog."
MID:

--
Mr Pounder Esquire about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"the **** poor delivery boy with no hot running water, 11 cats and
several parrots living in his hovel."
MID:

--
Rob Morley about Birdbrain:
"He's a perennial idiot"
MID: 20170519215057.56a1f1d4@Mars

--
JoeyDee to Birdbrain
"I apologize for thinking you were a jerk. You're just someone with an IQ
lower than your age, and I accept that as a reason for your comments."
MID: l-september.org

--
Sam Plusnet about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He's just desperate to be noticed. Any attention will do, no matter how
negative it may be."
MID:

--
asking Birdbrain:
"What, were you dropped on your head as a child?"
MID:

--
Christie addressing endlessly driveling Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander
Kinsey" LOL):
"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It's from last
month some time. You're like a dog who's just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it."
MID:

--
Mr Pounder's fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed."
MID:

--
Richard to pathetic ****** Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
MID:

--
about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID:

--
Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a ******** with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
MID:

--
francis about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
MID:

--
Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID:

--
Lewis about nym-shifting Birdbrain:
"Typical narcissist troll, thinks his **** is so grand he has the right to
try to force it on everyone."FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest
troll**** unread
MID:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 13:09:25 -0400, REAL dumb Frankie Boi babbled yet again:


Question that formed in my mind is

Question that formed in my mind is WHY are you such an abysmally stupid,
troll-feeding, senile IDIOT, Frankie Boi? Or is it ONLY because of your
advanced senility?

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 1:09:33 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 12:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"

https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/

Question that formed in my mind is that if only 5,000 people have died
in China from the virus and over 100 times that many in the US then
maybe the Chinese were trying to design a virus that does not kill
Chinese people.

I think someone in China quipped that if they had designed it, it would
have been far more deadly. Maybe they were working on that before it
escaped the Wuhan labs.

My comments may sound nutty but we seem to be living in a nutty world today.

Your comments do seem nutty, because there isn't enough genetic
variation between Asians and Caucasians to target a virus.

In any case, how would we hold China responsible? Stop buying chips
from them?

Cindy Hamilton

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for damages from the CCP?"


It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.

--
Joel Crump

On May 20, 2021 at 9:39:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets.

That is a likely origin... they, like the meat packing plants in the US, are
breeding grounds for such viruses.

If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions
of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at
Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of
course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare.
Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and
damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have
a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for
damages from the CCP?"

There is no evidence it was tied to any mistake they made.




https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On May 20, 2021 at 10:09:25 AM MST, "Frank" wrote
:

On 5/20/2021 12:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"


https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html




https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost




https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/



Question that formed in my mind is that if only 5,000 people have died
in China from the virus and over 100 times that many in the US then
maybe the Chinese were trying to design a virus that does not kill
Chinese people.

Viruses are not that specific... and the RNA of the virus has been researched
heavily. Nothing of the kind has been found.

I think someone in China quipped that if they had designed it, it would
have been far more deadly. Maybe they were working on that before it
escaped the Wuhan labs.

And maybe it was the Underground Marshmallow People. We can come up with all
sorts of speculation, but the evidence shows it was natural.

It mutated from other viruses... and since then other variations have mutated
and formed elsewhere.

My comments may sound nutty but we seem to be living in a nutty world today.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:01:56 +0100, Joel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for damages from the CCP?"


It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.

What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place. Unhygienic meat markets = millions of deaths worldwide. If a private company accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:02:20 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 20, 2021 at 9:39:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets.

That is a likely origin... they, like the meat packing plants in the US, are
breeding grounds for such viruses.

It's one of only two possibilities. The other is biological warfare, which should hold an even bigger punishment.

If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions
of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at
Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of
course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare.
Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and
damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have
a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for
damages from the CCP?"

There is no evidence it was tied to any mistake they made.

Then you believe they did it on purpose?

https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:59:25 +0100, wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 1:09:33 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 12:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"

https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/

Question that formed in my mind is that if only 5,000 people have died
in China from the virus and over 100 times that many in the US then
maybe the Chinese were trying to design a virus that does not kill
Chinese people.

I think someone in China quipped that if they had designed it, it would
have been far more deadly. Maybe they were working on that before it
escaped the Wuhan labs.

My comments may sound nutty but we seem to be living in a nutty world today.

Your comments do seem nutty, because there isn't enough genetic
variation between Asians and Caucasians to target a virus.

There doesn't need to be. The Chinese knew it was coming and acted in advance so not many of them were killed.

In any case, how would we hold China responsible? Stop buying chips
from them?

Refuse to pay debts. Start a war. Stop buying their stuff on Ebay. There are many ways.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:06:17 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 20, 2021 at 10:09:25 AM MST, "Frank" wrote
:

On 5/20/2021 12:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"


https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html




https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost




https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/



Question that formed in my mind is that if only 5,000 people have died
in China from the virus and over 100 times that many in the US then
maybe the Chinese were trying to design a virus that does not kill
Chinese people.

Viruses are not that specific... and the RNA of the virus has been researched
heavily. Nothing of the kind has been found.

I think someone in China quipped that if they had designed it, it would
have been far more deadly. Maybe they were working on that before it
escaped the Wuhan labs.

And maybe it was the Underground Marshmallow People. We can come up with all
sorts of speculation, but the evidence shows it was natural.

Natural does not equate to non-negligent.

On May 20, 2021 at 11:09:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:01:56 +0100, Joel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence
at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose.
Of course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic
warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19
virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking
for damages from the CCP?"


It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.

What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place.
Unhygienic meat markets = millions of deaths worldwide. If a private company
accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.

And what about other variations from Europe and Africa? Should we have them
pay too?


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 17:56:24 +0100, R D S wrote:

On 20/05/2021 17:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

At the risk of wishing I hadn't commented.....

It wasn't spread all over the globe in every city, town and village by
the Chinese, was it?

The rest of the negligent and insanitary did that.

It's not unsanitary to breathe near another person. It is unsanitary to sell live wet meat in outdoor markets.

On May 20, 2021 at 11:10:34 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:02:20 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 20, 2021 at 9:39:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets.

That is a likely origin... they, like the meat packing plants in the US, are
breeding grounds for such viruses.

It's one of only two possibilities. The other is biological warfare, which
should hold an even bigger punishment.

What makes you think those are the only two possibilities? Given how there is
no evidence of it being manmade we can toss that out (though keep doing
research to see if there is any evidence found). If it was found to be lab
created OF COURSE there should be HUGE penalties for that.

But other than that we cannot know. Maybe it originated in Iowa and someone
went to China who had it... where it mutated and became more contagious. We
just do not know.

If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions
of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at
Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of
course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare.
Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and
damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have
a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for
damages from the CCP?"

There is no evidence it was tied to any mistake they made.

Then you believe they did it on purpose?

Nope.




https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html



https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost



https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On May 20, 2021 at 11:12:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:59:25 +0100,
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 1:09:33 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 12:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"


https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html



https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost



https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/

Question that formed in my mind is that if only 5,000 people have died
in China from the virus and over 100 times that many in the US then
maybe the Chinese were trying to design a virus that does not kill
Chinese people.

I think someone in China quipped that if they had designed it, it would
have been far more deadly. Maybe they were working on that before it
escaped the Wuhan labs.

My comments may sound nutty but we seem to be living in a nutty world today.

Your comments do seem nutty, because there isn't enough genetic
variation between Asians and Caucasians to target a virus.

There doesn't need to be. The Chinese knew it was coming and acted in
advance so not many of them were killed.

They did take it more seriously and that saved lives (though they also used
some questionable methods). And, of course, their numbers are not reliable.



In any case, how would we hold China responsible? Stop buying chips
from them?

Refuse to pay debts. Start a war. Stop buying their stuff on Ebay. There
are many ways.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On May 20, 2021 at 11:16:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 17:56:24 +0100, R D S wrote:

On 20/05/2021 17:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

At the risk of wishing I hadn't commented.....

It wasn't spread all over the globe in every city, town and village by
the Chinese, was it?

The rest of the negligent and insanitary did that.

It's not unsanitary to breathe near another person.

It is a primary way for COVID to spread (and other diseases).


It is unsanitary to sell live wet meat in outdoor markets.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for damages from the CCP?"

It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.

What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place. Unhygienic meat markets = millions of deaths worldwide. If a private company accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.


And what makes you think the virus wouldn't have found another way to
spread, if not for the meat market? There were things China did
wrong, early on, but they didn't create the virus. It does seem
linked to the meat market, sure, but it didn't evolve there. Let's
not pretend that China is more guilty than they are - they do a lot of
bad things, they abuse people's rights, they didn't act entirely in
good faith about the virus, and we should call them out on such
things. But this pandemic was something the world would have to face,
it isn't relevant which country it came from.

--
Joel Crump

On 5/20/2021 1:59 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 1:09:33 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 12:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"

https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/

Question that formed in my mind is that if only 5,000 people have died
in China from the virus and over 100 times that many in the US then
maybe the Chinese were trying to design a virus that does not kill
Chinese people.

I think someone in China quipped that if they had designed it, it would
have been far more deadly. Maybe they were working on that before it
escaped the Wuhan labs.

My comments may sound nutty but we seem to be living in a nutty world today.

Your comments do seem nutty, because there isn't enough genetic
variation between Asians and Caucasians to target a virus.

In any case, how would we hold China responsible? Stop buying chips
from them?

Cindy Hamilton

I know but it is a fact that when the Chinese closed down Wuhan from
traveling around China they let them travel around the world. Also they
suppressed investigation by the outside world as to how it started.

It is stupid to be fully reliant on the Chicoms for anything.

On May 20, 2021 at 11:12:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:06:17 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 20, 2021 at 10:09:25 AM MST, "Frank" wrote
:

On 5/20/2021 12:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"



https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html





https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost





https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/



Question that formed in my mind is that if only 5,000 people have died
in China from the virus and over 100 times that many in the US then
maybe the Chinese were trying to design a virus that does not kill
Chinese people.

Viruses are not that specific... and the RNA of the virus has been
researched
heavily. Nothing of the kind has been found.

I think someone in China quipped that if they had designed it, it would
have been far more deadly. Maybe they were working on that before it
escaped the Wuhan labs.

And maybe it was the Underground Marshmallow People. We can come up with all
sorts of speculation, but the evidence shows it was natural.

Natural does not equate to non-negligent.

If it can be proved it was from negligence there maybe a case to be made...
and a warning to the US meat packing industry and, I am sure, elsewhere. But
how do you prove it?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 5/20/2021 2:02 PM, Snit wrote:
On May 20, 2021 at 9:39:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets.

That is a likely origin... they, like the meat packing plants in the US, are
breeding grounds for such viruses.


In the US we do not eat bats, snakes or monkeys like China or Africa do
and viruses have arose from these species.

On May 20, 2021 at 11:19:07 AM MST, "Joel" wrote
:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence
at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose.
Of course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic
warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19
virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking
for damages from the CCP?"

It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.

What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place.
Unhygienic meat markets = millions of deaths worldwide. If a private
company accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.


And what makes you think the virus wouldn't have found another way to
spread, if not for the meat market? There were things China did
wrong, early on, but they didn't create the virus. It does seem
linked to the meat market, sure, but it didn't evolve there. Let's
not pretend that China is more guilty than they are - they do a lot of
bad things, they abuse people's rights, they didn't act entirely in
good faith about the virus, and we should call them out on such
things. But this pandemic was something the world would have to face,
it isn't relevant which country it came from.

Right. It is a perfect example of why we must understand words issues as being
world issues.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:

It is stupid to be fully reliant on the Chicoms for anything.

You're not wrong about that. What's your proposal for rectifying
the situation?

Cindy Hamilton

On May 20, 2021 at 11:26:11 AM MST, "Frank" wrote
:

On 5/20/2021 2:02 PM, Snit wrote:
On May 20, 2021 at 9:39:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets.

That is a likely origin... they, like the meat packing plants in the US, are
breeding grounds for such viruses.


In the US we do not eat bats, snakes or monkeys like China or Africa do
and viruses have arose from these species.

Viruses can leap from chickens, pigs, and cows to humans, too.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 5/20/2021 2:22 PM, Frank wrote:


https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html



https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost



https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/


Question that formed in my mind is that if only 5,000 people have died
in China from the virus and over 100 times that many in the US then
maybe the Chinese were trying to design a virus that does not kill
Chinese people.

I think someone in China quipped that if they had designed it, it would
have been far more deadly. Maybe they were working on that before it
escaped the Wuhan labs.

My comments may sound nutty but we seem to be living in a nutty world
today.

Your comments do seem nutty, because there isn't enough genetic
variation between Asians and Caucasians to target a virus.

In any case, how would we hold China responsible?Â* Stop buying chips
from them?

Cindy Hamilton

I know but it is a fact that when the Chinese closed down Wuhan from
traveling around China they let them travel around the world.Â* Also they
suppressed investigation by the outside world as to how it started.

It is stupid to be fully reliant on the Chicoms for anything.

They did prove that closing things down works. Of course many here did
not want to comply.

Doubt we will ever have a resolution on the source.

Of course it is stupid to rely on them for so much but they allow us to
buy cheap stuff and importers to make tons of money. That has become
more important than integrity or business ethics. We like stuff for cheap.

Where I worked we started buying tooling from China. Quality as good as
US or Europe sources.

US shop: $15,000 and 10 week delivery
China shop $9,000 and 4 week delivery
What would you do?

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:18:19 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:



It is a primary way for COVID to spread (and other diseases).

Sucking hard, yet again, **** the Git? Is the unwashed Scottish ******'s
cock THAT irresistable to you? LOL

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:17:41 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:

They did take it more seriously and that saved lives (though they also used
some questionable methods). And, of course, their numbers are not reliable.

Back again to sucking off the unwashed ******, **** the Git? Can't you EVER
get enough? LOL

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:25:19 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


If it can be proved it was from negligence there maybe a case to be made...
and a warning to the US meat packing industry and, I am sure, elsewhere. But
how do you prove it?

"Meat packing"? Is that what you do, **** the Git, you abnormal sucker of
troll cock?

On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:01:56 -0400, Joel, another brain dead, troll-feeding,
senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


It appears that China

It appears that the Scottish ****** will have another occasion this night to
jerk off to the success of his latest troll, you troll-feeding senile
ASSHOLE!

On 5/20/2021 11:26 AM, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 2:02 PM, Snit wrote:
On May 20, 2021 at 9:39:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets.

That is a likely origin... they, like the meat packing plants in the
US, are
breeding grounds for such viruses.


In the US we do not eat bats, snakes or monkeys like China or Africa do
and viruses have arose from these species.

And we just let pandemics run wild instead of testing and tracking like
China and South Korea did.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:14:52 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:



And what about other variations from Europe and Africa? Should we have them
pay too?

WTF has all your senile crap got to do with ANY of the three ngs you keep
crossposting it to, you perverted senile trolling ****head?

On Thu, 20 May 2021 14:19:07 -0400, Joel, another brain dead, troll-feeding,
senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


And what makes you think

He doesn't think, you senile ASSHOLE! He trolls for attention! Just HOW
senile are you, retard?

On 5/20/2021 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:

It is stupid to be fully reliant on the Chicoms for anything.

You're not wrong about that. What's your proposal for rectifying
the situation?

Cindy Hamilton


Well one for example is pharmaceuticals. There was a deal with Puerto
Rico that made it economical to manufacture there but removed under
Clinton and manufacture went to China.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...h=5c0aeabf2a40

Another is rare earths. We have them in the US but manufacture is very
dirty. I have a neighbor who has been to practically every city in
China and says it is hard to breathe in any of them. We can do better
than that.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:27:29 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:

Right. It is a perfect example of why we must understand words issues as being
world issues.

Keep your off topic senile **** out of these ngs, you filthy demented senile
troll!

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:02:20 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:



That is a likely origin... they, like the meat packing plants in the US, are
breeding grounds for such viruses.

"Meat packing"??? Yet again? So THAT's what you are about, you devoted
sucker of troll cock! LOL

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:16:45 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


Nope.

Playing hard to get now, senile sucker of troll cock? The Scottish ******
really was lucky to have found you, eh, **** the Git? LOL

On Thu, 20 May 2021 18:34:53 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:



Viruses can leap from chickens, pigs, and cows to humans, too.

WTF has your sick **** got to do with ANY of the three ngs you keep
crossposting it to, you perverted senile trolling asshole?

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:

It is stupid to be fully reliant on the Chicoms for anything.

You're not wrong about that. What's your proposal for rectifying
the situation?

Cindy Hamilton

Well one for example is pharmaceuticals. There was a deal with Puerto
Rico that made it economical to manufacture there but removed under
Clinton and manufacture went to China.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...h=5c0aeabf2a40

Another is rare earths. We have them in the US but manufacture is very
dirty. I have a neighbor who has been to practically every city in
China and says it is hard to breathe in any of them. We can do better
than that.

Better, yes. But not cheaper. And as Ed said (regarding machine tools):

US shop: $15,000 and 10 week delivery
China shop $9,000 and 4 week delivery
What would you do?

Cindy Hamilton