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On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 2:19:12 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for damages from the CCP?"

It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.


What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place. Unhygienic meat markets = millions of deaths worldwide. If a private company accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.

And what makes you think the virus wouldn't have found another way to
spread, if not for the meat market? There were things China did
wrong, early on, but they didn't create the virus. It does seem
linked to the meat market, sure, but it didn't evolve there.


It's not so linked to the meat market either. While there were early infections
there, there were also other infections found that had nothing to do with,
no connection to the meat market. It's possible that it just spread in that
market because someone happened to have acquired it somewhere and
worked there, much like it spread in US meat packing facilities.




Let's
not pretend that China is more guilty than they are - they do a lot of
bad things, they abuse people's rights, they didn't act entirely in
good faith about the virus, and we should call them out on such
things. But this pandemic was something the world would have to face,
it isn't relevant which country it came from.

--
Joel Crump


It's relevant if it turns out there is more to it that we know now. And China
did cover it up, we lost precious time, because of their dishonesty. In particular
China claimed there was no evidence of human to human transmission when
they new that was not true. And had this originated in say Europe, instead of
China, we'd have been able to conduct a real investigation to try to determine
the source. China has not allowed that, nor would it be possible in China even
if they allowed full access.
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In any case, how would we hold China responsible? Stop buying chips
from them?


They committed a crime by malfeasance, misfeasance and nonfeasance. Whether it
was by accident or purpose they MUST be held accountable! This affected the
world and the world court should have a trial.


Exactly what has been established regarding this so far? We don't know the
origin. We don't know that there was any negligence related to Covid infecting
people. We do know that China lied, tried to minimize it, in the period of a month
or so after it was first spotted. Sounds exactly like what the US leader at the
time did and he only started doing it weeks AFTER China mostly stopped lying.
He claimed that it was just like the flu, would go away one day soon, when it
got warmer, that we had it all under control, there were only a few cases, etc.
Now there are 600K dead, an order of magnitude more than in China with it's
much larger population. When is Trump's trial starting?



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On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 8:56:02 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/21/2021 8:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.


No such determination has been made. Scientists and investigators so far say they don't know how it originated. We may never know, because China isn't allowing a full, open, investigation by the world.


Does that not tell you something?


Yes, that China lied and denied, that they tried to minimize it, that they are still doing that.
That's exactly what Trump did and he started his lying and denying when we already knew
the truth from China, that Covid was deadly and spreading human to human. Trump said
it was like the flu, nothing to worry about, as more and more people got infected he said it
would go away with the warmer weather, etc. Then he went on to hold death rallies, no
social distancing, no masks, in a desperate attempt to get re-elected. Even President Xi
didn't do that. Fortunately that attempt failed.

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On 5/21/2021 9:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 8:56:02 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/21/2021 8:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

No such determination has been made. Scientists and investigators so far say they don't know how it originated. We may never know, because China isn't allowing a full, open, investigation by the world.


Does that not tell you something?


Yes, that China lied and denied, that they tried to minimize it, that they are still doing that.
That's exactly what Trump did and he started his lying and denying when we already knew
the truth from China, that Covid was deadly and spreading human to human. Trump said
it was like the flu, nothing to worry about, as more and more people got infected he said it
would go away with the warmer weather, etc. Then he went on to hold death rallies, no
social distancing, no masks, in a desperate attempt to get re-elected. Even President Xi
didn't do that. Fortunately that attempt failed.


Your TDS has to lay some blame on Trump. Pathetic.
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On 5/21/21 9:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 8:56:02 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/21/2021 8:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

No such determination has been made. Scientists and investigators so far say they don't know how it originated. We may never know, because China isn't allowing a full, open, investigation by the world.


Does that not tell you something?


Yes, that China lied and denied, that they tried to minimize it, that they are still doing that.
That's exactly what Trump did and he started his lying and denying when we already knew
the truth from China, that Covid was deadly and spreading human to human. Trump said
it was like the flu, nothing to worry about, as more and more people got infected he said it
would go away with the warmer weather, etc. Then he went on to hold death rallies, no
social distancing, no masks, in a desperate attempt to get re-elected. Even President Xi
didn't do that. Fortunately that attempt failed.


Fake Fauci-19 virus was the democrats weapon to uproot President Trump and destroy the Constitution.
The communist/marxist/socialist democrats are winning and the freedom-loving American people are losing.
Happy now?


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trader_4 wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote


It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary
conditions in wet meat markets. If a company
accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills
millions of people, they would be held accountable.


No such determination has been made. Scientists
and investigators so far say they don't know how it
originated. We may never know, because China isn't
allowing a full, open, investigation by the world.


Even if that was allowed, we still dont know with the spanish flu.

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Frank "frank wrote
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Commander Kinsey wrote


It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.


No such determination has been made. Scientists and investigators so far
say they don't know how it originated. We may never know, because China
isn't allowing a full, open, investigation by the world.


Does that not tell you something?


Nope, just like it doesnt with the spanish flu.

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On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 5:38:57 PM UTC-4, wrote:
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In any case, how would we hold China responsible? Stop buying chips
from them?


They committed a crime by malfeasance, misfeasance and nonfeasance.
Whether it
was by accident or purpose they MUST be held accountable! This affected
the
world and the world court should have a trial.


Exactly what has been established regarding this so far?


That is very infectious, and that gung ho isolation of
the infected and quarantine works very well indeed.

We don't know the origin.


But likely will do eventually. Took a long time to
work that out with SARS and Hendra and HIV/AIDS.

We don't know that there was any negligence related
to Covid infecting people. We do know that China lied,


Nope, just got it wrong initially with human to human transmission.

tried to minimize it, in the period of a month or so
after it was first spotted. Sounds exactly like what
the US leader at the time did and he only started
doing it weeks AFTER China mostly stopped lying.


They never did lie, just didnt bother to count
all those who it killed. Neither does India and
almost all of the 3rd world.

He claimed that it was just like the flu, would
go away one day soon, when it got warmer,
that we had it all under control, there were
only a few cases, etc. Now there are 600K
dead, an order of magnitude more than in
China with it's much larger population.
When is Trump's trial starting?




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On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 8:56:02 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/21/2021 8:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

No such determination has been made. Scientists and investigators so
far say they don't know how it originated. We may never know, because
China isn't allowing a full, open, investigation by the world.


Does that not tell you something?


Yes, that China lied and denied,


Nope, just got it wrong initially.

that they tried to minimize it,


Only for the first month.

that they are still doing that.


Bull**** they are. They crack down
very aggressively with new outbreaks.

That's exactly what Trump did


Nope, he never cracked down very aggressively.

and he started his lying and denying when we already
knew the truth from China, that Covid was deadly and
spreading human to human. Trump said it was like
the flu, nothing to worry about, as more and more
people got infected he said it would go away with
the warmer weather, etc. Then he went on to hold
death rallies, no social distancing, no masks, in a
desperate attempt to get re-elected. Even President
Xi didn't do that. Fortunately that attempt failed.

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On Thu, 20 May 2021 17:39:56 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"

https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...letter-to-the-

editor-why-isnt-china-held-responsible/
article_c29e4f86-38d5-11eb-8c84-2beff946a943.html

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...1272525/China-

responsible-for-coronavirus-Wuhan-virology-Trump-cost

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...us-propaganda-

weakens-western-democracies/


The same reason the USA didn't get blamed for the 1918 flu pandemic that
killed 50 million people.


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On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 5:38:57 PM UTC-4, wrote:
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In any case, how would we hold China responsible? Stop buying chips
from them?


They committed a crime by malfeasance, misfeasance and nonfeasance. Whether it
was by accident or purpose they MUST be held accountable! This affected the
world and the world court should have a trial.


Exactly what trump did about protecting the American public from covid.

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Well I think you are a little pie in the sky with that statement. It was in
this case probably a live animal market, but are you also going to ask for
damages from the African country where apparently eating Chimps started HIV?
Nature is an opportunist, and given the right conditions and mutations
things happen.
Brainless


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https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...1272525/China-

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https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...us-propaganda-

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The same reason the USA didn't get blamed for the 1918 flu pandemic that
killed 50 million people.


You troll-feedingsenile asshole STILL couldn't work out what this thread is
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On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 2:22:40 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 1:59 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 1:09:33 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/20/2021 12:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"

https://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/...ff946a943.html


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...ogy-Trump-cost


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/25...n-democracies/

Question that formed in my mind is that if only 5,000 people have died
in China from the virus and over 100 times that many in the US then
maybe the Chinese were trying to design a virus that does not kill
Chinese people.

I think someone in China quipped that if they had designed it, it would
have been far more deadly. Maybe they were working on that before it
escaped the Wuhan labs.

My comments may sound nutty but we seem to be living in a nutty world today.


Your comments do seem nutty, because there isn't enough genetic
variation between Asians and Caucasians to target a virus.

In any case, how would we hold China responsible? Stop buying chips
from them?

Cindy Hamilton

I know but it is a fact that when the Chinese closed down Wuhan from
traveling around China they let them travel around the world.


Do you have a cite for that?



Also they
suppressed investigation by the outside world as to how it started.

It is stupid to be fully reliant on the Chicoms for anything.

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On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 11:39:29 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/21/2021 9:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 8:56:02 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/21/2021 8:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions of people, they would be held ouaccountable.

No such determination has been made. Scientists and investigators so far say they don't know how it originated. We may never know, because China isn't allowing a full, open, investigation by the world.


Does that not tell you something?


Yes, that China lied and denied, that they tried to minimize it, that they are still doing that.
That's exactly what Trump did and he started his lying and denying when we already knew
the truth from China, that Covid was deadly and spreading human to human. Trump said
it was like the flu, nothing to worry about, as more and more people got infected he said it
would go away with the warmer weather, etc. Then he went on to hold death rallies, no
social distancing, no masks, in a desperate attempt to get re-elected. Even President Xi
didn't do that. Fortunately that attempt failed.

Your TDS has to lay some blame on Trump. Pathetic.


You're the deranged one. What I stated is fact. Trump lied and denied, he mocked masks,
he held death rallies with no social distancing, no masks, in a desperate attempt to get
re-elected. No worries, the truth is on record for history and Trump will be judged accordingly.
The voters already judged him last November. Sadly the crazy cult formerly known as the
GOP wants more of it.


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On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:16:45 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 20, 2021 at 11:10:34 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:02:20 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 20, 2021 at 9:39:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets.

That is a likely origin... they, like the meat packing plants in the US, are
breeding grounds for such viruses.


It's one of only two possibilities. The other is biological warfare, which
should hold an even bigger punishment.


What makes you think those are the only two possibilities? Given how there is
no evidence of it being manmade we can toss that out (though keep doing
research to see if there is any evidence found). If it was found to be lab
created OF COURSE there should be HUGE penalties for that.

But other than that we cannot know. Maybe it originated in Iowa and someone
went to China who had it... where it mutated and became more contagious. We
just do not know.


Until you find evidence it started elsewhere, the wet meat market is the ****ing obvious unhygienic source.

If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions
of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at
Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of
course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare.
Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and
damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have
a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for
damages from the CCP?"

There is no evidence it was tied to any mistake they made.


Then you believe they did it on purpose?


Nope.


Well the CIA was found out for doing that with something else. Why are you so naive?
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:16:45 +0100, Snit
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On May 20, 2021 at 11:10:34 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:02:20 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On May 20, 2021 at 9:39:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet
meat
markets.

That is a likely origin... they, like the meat packing plants in the
US, are
breeding grounds for such viruses.

It's one of only two possibilities. The other is biological warfare,
which
should hold an even bigger punishment.


What makes you think those are the only two possibilities? Given how
there is
no evidence of it being manmade we can toss that out (though keep doing
research to see if there is any evidence found). If it was found to be
lab
created OF COURSE there should be HUGE penalties for that.

But other than that we cannot know. Maybe it originated in Iowa and
someone
went to China who had it... where it mutated and became more contagious.
We
just do not know.


Until you find evidence it started elsewhere, the wet meat market is the
****ing obvious unhygienic source.


Doesn't explain why we don't have pandemic outbreaks in wet fish markets.

If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills
millions
of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at
Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on
purpose. Of
course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic
warfare.
Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus
and
damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party,
I have
a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking
for
damages from the CCP?"

There is no evidence it was tied to any mistake they made.

Then you believe they did it on purpose?


Nope.


Well the CIA was found out for doing that with something else.


Nope.

Why are you so naive?




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On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:16:45 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 20, 2021 at 11:10:34 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:02:20 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 20, 2021 at 9:39:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets.

That is a likely origin... they, like the meat packing plants in the US, are
breeding grounds for such viruses.

It's one of only two possibilities. The other is biological warfare, which
should hold an even bigger punishment.


What makes you think those are the only two possibilities? Given how there is
no evidence of it being manmade we can toss that out (though keep doing
research to see if there is any evidence found). If it was found to be lab
created OF COURSE there should be HUGE penalties for that.

But other than that we cannot know. Maybe it originated in Iowa and someone
went to China who had it... where it mutated and became more contagious. We
just do not know.


Until you find evidence it started elsewhere, the wet meat market is the
****ing obvious unhygienic source.


So if there is no evidence just assume and blame and hold accountable.
Nope.

But those markets and American meat slaughtering / packing and other such
gross places should be cleaned up €” not that slaughter will ever be
completely clean!

If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions
of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at
Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of
course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare.
Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and
damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have
a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for
damages from the CCP?"

There is no evidence it was tied to any mistake they made.

Then you believe they did it on purpose?


Nope.


Well the CIA was found out for doing that with something else. Why are you so naive?


You are naively making unsupported accusations.

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On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:19:07 +0100, Joel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking for damages from the CCP?"

It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.


What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place. Unhygienic meat markets = millions of deaths worldwide. If a private company accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.



And what makes you think the virus wouldn't have found another way to
spread, if not for the meat market? There were things China did
wrong, early on, but they didn't create the virus. It does seem
linked to the meat market, sure, but it didn't evolve there. Let's
not pretend that China is more guilty than they are - they do a lot of
bad things, they abuse people's rights, they didn't act entirely in
good faith about the virus, and we should call them out on such
things. But this pandemic was something the world would have to face,
it isn't relevant which country it came from.


But since it was most likely from the lab.....

Everyone knows it came from the lab. China refuses to cooperate enough with WHO or anyone else to provide the proof. China has actively destroyed any such proof and failed to cooperate with WHO because it fears the forensic science that could find what they think they have covered so well. So, there will be no definitive proof but that does not mean the truth is not known. The world will have to settle for that unfortunately. Here are two facts that may enlighten what really probably happened. I stress, these are facts.

Fact 1) Dr. Shi, Chinas €˜Bat Woman, took one of her many bat coronaviruses and visited the University of North Carolina in 2014. The head of the virology department at this time there was Dr.. Ralph Baric-the worlds leading authority on virus €˜gain of function. That is a nice way of saying he knew how to mutate a virus that did not like humans into something very lethal that did like people. The Wuhan Lab paid for this visit through a grant to the UNC.

The goal was to make Dr. Shis virus lethal to human lung tissue and they ran an experiment to do that. They succeeded and Dr. Shi and Dr. Baric co authored a scientific paper announcing their success. That was published in 2015 in the prestigious journal, Nature. This is the link to the full , unedited,paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 and verifies what they were trying to do and how they did it and how they were successful. It also talks about the €˜ethics,or lack thereof, of what they did. At the end of the study, Dr. Shi takes her €˜lethal bat corona virus back to Wuhan Lab.

That is all fact. The information is so embedded in the net that the CCP could not go back and erase it. The only fact you have to concern yourself with is that according to these irreproachable sources, Dr. Shi had a human lung eating bat coronavirus-verified in her lab- in 2015.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses and the Wuhan Lab was sited many times on its lack of sufficiently trained personnel to maintain the high levels of maintenance and security needed to contain biohazards of this magnitude. Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice. Here is the source for that: https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03 as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000 people with Brucellosis: https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/

So, though no €˜hard evidence, we do have verified proof of the Wuhan Lab housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus and a track record of these labs not being reliable in containing these lethal organisms. And lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And wouldnt you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat coronavirus. How interesting.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that the virus started in Wuhan. The reason is obvious as I have shown you. They seem to cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other countries earlier in December. You see there is that word again-evidence. The other countries did not destroy their samples and by tracing back they can see the virus spread faster and further out of Wuhan than anyone would have thought. They only thing, there is no €˜back looking at the Chinese population €˜samples to see if there is (and there is) any indication that it was running there long before December.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real investigation.
https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/
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Commander Kinsey wrote
Joel wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote


It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.


"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of
war, an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for
the release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.


When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party,
I have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking for damages from the CCP?"


It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a period
of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.


What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place.
Unhygienic meat markets = millions of deaths worldwide. If a private
company accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.


And what makes you think the virus wouldn't have found another way to
spread, if not for the meat market? There were things China did wrong,
early on, but they didn't create the virus. It does seem
linked to the meat market, sure, but it didn't evolve there. Let's
not pretend that China is more guilty than they are - they do a lot of
bad things, they abuse people's rights, they didn't act entirely in good
faith about the virus, and we should call them out on such things. But
this pandemic was something the world would have to face, it isn't
relevant which country it came from.


But since it was most likely from the lab.....


Nope, we know it wasnt, the DNA is quite different.

Everyone knows it came from the lab.


No it didnt.

China refuses to cooperate enough with WHO or anyone else to provide the
proof.


Thats a lie with the lab, we know the DNA is quite different.

China has actively destroyed any such proof


There is no proof of where it came from and nothing was destroyed.

and failed to cooperate with WHO


Thats a pig ignorant lie too. They have in fact done that recently.

because it fears the forensic science that could find what they think they
have covered so well.


Another pig ignorant lie.

So, there will be no definitive proof


There almost certainly will be. It took years with
SARS to work out which animals it happened thru.

but that does not mean the truth is not known.


Yes, we know that it didnt come from the lab.

The world will have to settle for that unfortunately.


Nope, we are still looking at where it came from animal wise.

Here are two facts that may enlighten what really probably happened. I
stress, these are facts.


No they are not.

Fact 1) Dr. Shi, Chinas €˜Bat Woman, took one of her many bat
coronaviruses and visited the University of North Carolina in 2014. The
head of the virology department at this time there was Dr. Ralph Baric-
the worlds leading authority on virus €˜gain of function.


Thats not a fact.

That is a nice way of saying he knew how to mutate a virus that did not
like humans into something very lethal that did like people.


Another pig ignorant lie. He actually
knows how they mutate in nature.

The Wuhan Lab paid for this visit through a grant to the UNC.


Hardly surprising given who she worked for.

The goal was to make Dr. Shis virus lethal to human lung tissue and they
ran an experiment to do that.


Wrong.

They succeeded and Dr. Shi and Dr. Baric co authored a scientific paper
announcing their success.


But that virus is nothing like covid.

That was published in 2015 in the prestigious journal, Nature. This is the
link to the full , unedited,paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985


Which says nothing like what you are claiming.

and verifies what they were trying to do and how they did it and how they
were successful.


But that virus is nothing like covid.

It also talks about the €˜ethics,or lack thereof, of what they did. At
the end of the study, Dr. Shi takes her €˜lethal bat corona virus back to
Wuhan Lab.


That virus is nothing like covid.

That is all fact.


That virus is nothing like covid.

The information is so embedded in the net that the CCP could not go back
and erase it.


No need to and it has nothing to do with the net either.

The only fact you have to concern yourself with is that according to these
irreproachable sources, Dr. Shi had a human lung eating bat
coronavirus-verified in her lab
- in 2015.


That virus is nothing like covid.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses


Nothing like a fact, just another bare faced lie.

Once they realised that it did pass by human to human
contact they did in fact contain covid FAR more effectively
than anyone else has managed to do and it didnt spread
to the rest of china, just in the Hubei province for a while.

and the Wuhan Lab was sited many times on its lack of sufficiently trained
personnel to maintain the high levels of maintenance and security needed
to contain biohazards of this magnitude.


But it wasnt the source of covid.

Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice.


And have got their act into gear since.

And smallpox has escaped from non
chinese labs more than once too.

Here is the source for that:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03
as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000 people
with Brucellosis:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/


Pity about the other non chinese examples.

So, though no €˜hard evidence, we do have verified proof of the Wuhan Lab
housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus


Which is nothing like covid.

and a track record of these labs not being reliable in containing these
lethal organisms.


Just like other non chinese labs.

And lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And
wouldnt you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat coronavirus.
How interesting.


But we now know it isnt covid.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that the
virus started in Wuhan.


Bull****.

The reason is obvious as I have shown you.


Bull**** you have.

They seem to cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other
countries earlier in December.


And there is a little evidence of that.

You see there is that word again-evidence. The other countries did not
destroy their samples


Neither has china.

and by tracing back they can see the virus spread faster and further out
of Wuhan than anyone would have thought.


Hardly surprising given that it happened during chinese new
year when hordes of chinese move around the world at one
hell of a rate. Including my mate's chinese mate who was in
Wuhan at the time due to chinese new year and who flagrantly
dishonestly managed to get back to australia via Bangkok in
very early February 2020 but who wasnt infected at the time.

They only thing, there is no €˜back looking at the Chinese population
€˜samples


Another bare faced like.

to see if there is (and there is) any indication that it was running there
long before December.


Another bare faced lie.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real
investigation.
https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/


Because it would be useful to know the animal chain involved, stupid.



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On May 23, 2021 at 11:50:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:19:07 +0100, Joel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking
for damages from the CCP?"

It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.

What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place.
Unhygienic meat markets =3D millions of deaths worldwide. If a private
company accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.



And what makes you think the virus wouldn't have found another way to
spread, if not for the meat market? There were things China did
wrong, early on, but they didn't create the virus. It does seem
linked to the meat market, sure, but it didn't evolve there. Let's
not pretend that China is more guilty than they are - they do a lot of
bad things, they abuse people's rights, they didn't act entirely in
good faith about the virus, and we should call them out on such
things. But this pandemic was something the world would have to face,
it isn't relevant which country it came from.


But since it was most likely from the lab.....


There is no evidence to back that claim.

Everyone knows it came from the lab.


No, they do not. And its own generic material suggests otherwise.

China refuses to cooperate enough with WHO or anyone else to provide the
proof. China has actively destroyed any such proof and failed to cooperate
with WHO because it fears the forensic science that could find what they
think they have covered so well. So, there will be no definitive proof but
that does not mean the truth is not known. The world will have to settle for
that unfortunately. Here are two facts that may enlighten what really
probably happened. I stress, these are facts.

Fact 1) Dr. Shi, China=E2=80=99s ‘Bat Woman=E2=80=99,


Your newsreader is wonky. Shows up pooly here, too, so not just my system:


http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...ryzen.l an%3E

took one of her many bat coronaviruses and visited the University of North
Carolina in 2014. The head of the virology department at this time there was
Dr. Ralph Baric-the world=E2=80=99s leading authority on virus ‘gain
of function=E2=80=99. That is a nice way of saying he knew how to mutate a
virus that did not like humans into something very lethal that did like
people. The Wuhan Lab paid for this visit through a grant to the UNC.

The goal was to make Dr. Shi=E2=80=99s virus lethal to human lung tissue and
they ran an experiment to do that. They succeeded and Dr. Shi and Dr. Baric
co authored a scientific paper announcing their success. That was published
in 2015 in the prestigious journal, Nature. This is the link to the full ,
unedited,paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 and verifies what
they were trying to do and how they did it and how they were successful. It
also talks about the ‘ethics=E2=80=99=E2=80=99,or lack thereof, of
what they did. At the end of the study, Dr. Shi takes her ‘lethal bat
corona virus=E2=80=99 back to Wuhan Lab.

That is all fact. The information is so embedded in the net that the CCP
could not go back and erase it. The only fact you have to concern yourself
with is that according to these irreproachable sources, Dr. Shi had a human
lung eating bat coronavirus-verified in her lab- in 2015.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses and the Wuhan Lab was sited
many times on its lack of sufficiently trained personnel to maintain the high
levels of maintenance and security needed to contain biohazards of this
magnitude. Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice. Here is the source for
that:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03
as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000 people with
Brucellosis:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/

So, though no ‘hard evidence=E2=80=99, we do have verified proof of
the Wuhan Lab housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus and a track record
of these labs not being reliable in containing these lethal organisms. And
lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And
wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat
coronavirus. How interesting.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that the virus
started in Wuhan. The reason is obvious as I have shown you. They seem to
cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other countries earlier
in December. You see there is that word again-evidence. The other countries
did not destroy their samples and by tracing back they can see the virus
spread faster and further out of Wuhan than anyone would have thought. They
only thing, there is no ‘back looking=E2=80=99 at the Chinese
population ‘samples=E2=80=99 to see if there is (and there is) any
indication that it was running there long before December.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real
investigation.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/



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On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:14:52 +0100, Snit wrote:

On May 20, 2021 at 11:09:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:01:56 +0100, Joel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to incompetence
at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and released on purpose.
Of course this would be construed as an act of war, an act of economic
warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the release of COVID-19
virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking
for damages from the CCP?"


It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.


What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place.
Unhygienic meat markets = millions of deaths worldwide. If a private company
accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.


And what about other variations from Europe and Africa? Should we have them
pay too?


They didn't create them. They naturally evolved from the original that China made in the lab for chemical warfare.

ROTFPMSL! I just got permanently banned from a games forum for asking if a mod could be made to change the nuclear war started by China in the game to a coronavirus war started by China. Apparently its ok for the game makers to accuse China of being likely to start a nuclear war, but not ok for me to say the same thing about a virus, which is a lot less bad that a nuclear bomb!

FFS, it costs $5 to make a new account.
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On 5/23/2021 11:16 PM, Snit wrote:
On May 23, 2021 at 11:50:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:19:07 +0100, Joel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking
for damages from the CCP?"

It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.

What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place.
Unhygienic meat markets =3D millions of deaths worldwide. If a private
company accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.


And what makes you think the virus wouldn't have found another way to
spread, if not for the meat market? There were things China did
wrong, early on, but they didn't create the virus. It does seem
linked to the meat market, sure, but it didn't evolve there. Let's
not pretend that China is more guilty than they are - they do a lot of
bad things, they abuse people's rights, they didn't act entirely in
good faith about the virus, and we should call them out on such
things. But this pandemic was something the world would have to face,
it isn't relevant which country it came from.


But since it was most likely from the lab.....


There is no evidence to back that claim.

Everyone knows it came from the lab.


No, they do not. And its own generic material suggests otherwise.

China refuses to cooperate enough with WHO or anyone else to provide the
proof. China has actively destroyed any such proof and failed to cooperate
with WHO because it fears the forensic science that could find what they
think they have covered so well. So, there will be no definitive proof but
that does not mean the truth is not known. The world will have to settle for
that unfortunately. Here are two facts that may enlighten what really
probably happened. I stress, these are facts.

Fact 1) Dr. Shi, China=E2=80=99s ‘Bat Woman=E2=80=99,


Your newsreader is wonky. Shows up pooly here, too, so not just my system:


http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...ryzen.l an%3E

took one of her many bat coronaviruses and visited the University of North
Carolina in 2014. The head of the virology department at this time there was
Dr. Ralph Baric-the world=E2=80=99s leading authority on virus ‘gain
of function=E2=80=99. That is a nice way of saying he knew how to mutate a
virus that did not like humans into something very lethal that did like
people. The Wuhan Lab paid for this visit through a grant to the UNC.

The goal was to make Dr. Shi=E2=80=99s virus lethal to human lung tissue and
they ran an experiment to do that. They succeeded and Dr. Shi and Dr. Baric
co authored a scientific paper announcing their success. That was published
in 2015 in the prestigious journal, Nature. This is the link to the full ,
unedited,paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 and verifies what
they were trying to do and how they did it and how they were successful. It
also talks about the ‘ethics=E2=80=99=E2=80=99,or lack thereof, of
what they did. At the end of the study, Dr. Shi takes her ‘lethal bat
corona virus=E2=80=99 back to Wuhan Lab.

That is all fact. The information is so embedded in the net that the CCP
could not go back and erase it. The only fact you have to concern yourself
with is that according to these irreproachable sources, Dr. Shi had a human
lung eating bat coronavirus-verified in her lab- in 2015.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses and the Wuhan Lab was sited
many times on its lack of sufficiently trained personnel to maintain the high
levels of maintenance and security needed to contain biohazards of this
magnitude. Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice. Here is the source for
that:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03
as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000 people with
Brucellosis:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/

So, though no ‘hard evidence=E2=80=99, we do have verified proof of
the Wuhan Lab housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus and a track record
of these labs not being reliable in containing these lethal organisms. And
lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And
wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat
coronavirus. How interesting.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that the virus
started in Wuhan. The reason is obvious as I have shown you. They seem to
cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other countries earlier
in December. You see there is that word again-evidence. The other countries
did not destroy their samples and by tracing back they can see the virus
spread faster and further out of Wuhan than anyone would have thought. They
only thing, there is no ‘back looking=E2=80=99 at the Chinese
population ‘samples=E2=80=99 to see if there is (and there is) any
indication that it was running there long before December.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real
investigation.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/



Currently, the Great Lord Fauci admits it may have come from their lab.

Why do we have so many Chicom apologists in ahr?


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On 5/25/2021 12:50 PM, Frank wrote:


Â* "There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act
of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for
the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
Â* When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another
party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no
one asking
for damages from the CCP?"


lung eating bat coronavirus-verified in her lab- in 2015.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses and the Wuhan Lab
was sited
many times on its lack of sufficiently trained personnel to maintain
the high
levels of maintenance and security needed to contain biohazards of this
magnitude. Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice. Here is the
source for
that:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03

as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000
people with
Brucellosis:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/


So, though no ‘hard evidence=E2=80=99, we do have verified
proof of
the Wuhan Lab housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus and a
track record
of these labs not being reliable in containing these lethal
organisms. And
lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And
wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat
coronavirus. How interesting.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that
the virus
started in Wuhan. The reason is obvious as I have shown you. They
seem to
cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other countries
earlier
in December. You see there is that word again-evidence. The other
countries
did not destroy their samples and by tracing back they can see the virus
spread faster and further out of Wuhan than anyone would have
thought. They
only thing, there is no ‘back looking=E2=80=99 at the Chinese
population ‘samples=E2=80=99 to see if there is (and there
is) any
indication that it was running there long before December.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real
investigation.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/



Currently, the Great Lord Fauci admits it may have come from their lab.

Why do we have so many Chicom apologists in ahr?


Key words: May have

That is still not hard evidence. How do we get it?
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 5/25/2021 12:50 PM, Frank wrote:


"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of
war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for
the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another
party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking
for damages from the CCP?"


lung eating bat coronavirus-verified in her lab- in 2015.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses and the Wuhan Lab was
sited
many times on its lack of sufficiently trained personnel to maintain
the high
levels of maintenance and security needed to contain biohazards of this
magnitude. Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice. Here is the
source for
that:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03
as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000
people with
Brucellosis:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/

So, though no ‘hard evidence=E2=80=99, we do have verified
proof of
the Wuhan Lab housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus and a track
record
of these labs not being reliable in containing these lethal organisms.
And
lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And
wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat
coronavirus. How interesting.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that the
virus
started in Wuhan. The reason is obvious as I have shown you. They seem
to
cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other countries
earlier
in December. You see there is that word again-evidence. The other
countries
did not destroy their samples and by tracing back they can see the
virus
spread faster and further out of Wuhan than anyone would have thought.
They
only thing, there is no ‘back looking=E2=80=99 at the Chinese
population ‘samples=E2=80=99 to see if there is (and there is)
any
indication that it was running there long before December.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real
investigation.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/


Currently, the Great Lord Fauci admits it may have come from their lab.

Why do we have so many Chicom apologists in ahr?


Key words: May have

That is still not hard evidence. How do we get it?


By comparing the DNA. That has been done and
what was created in the lab is nothing like covid.

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On 5/25/2021 1:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/25/2021 12:50 PM, Frank wrote:


Â* "There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act
of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible
for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
Â* When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another
party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no
one asking
for damages from the CCP?"


lung eating bat coronavirus-verified in her lab- in 2015.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses and the Wuhan Lab
was sited
many times on its lack of sufficiently trained personnel to maintain
the high
levels of maintenance and security needed to contain biohazards of this
magnitude. Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice. Here is the
source for
that:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03

as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000
people with
Brucellosis:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/


So, though no ‘hard evidence=E2=80=99, we do have verified
proof of
the Wuhan Lab housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus and a
track record
of these labs not being reliable in containing these lethal
organisms. And
lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And
wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat
coronavirus. How interesting.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that
the virus
started in Wuhan. The reason is obvious as I have shown you. They
seem to
cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other countries
earlier
in December. You see there is that word again-evidence. The other
countries
did not destroy their samples and by tracing back they can see the
virus
spread faster and further out of Wuhan than anyone would have
thought. They
only thing, there is no ‘back looking=E2=80=99 at the Chinese
population ‘samples=E2=80=99 to see if there is (and there
is) any
indication that it was running there long before December.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real
investigation.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/



Currently, the Great Lord Fauci admits it may have come from their lab.

Why do we have so many Chicom apologists in ahr?


Key words:Â* May have

That is still not hard evidence.Â* How do we get it?


You will not get it from the Chicoms or their sycophants, WHO.

Wuhan has a virology lab and some of the first sickened were from that
lab.

Scientists there giving warning died. People were not allowed to travel
from Wuhan to the rest of China but they were allowed to travel outside
China. Highly circumstantial.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...excerpt-474322
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Frank formulated the question :
On 5/23/2021 11:16 PM, Snit wrote:
On May 23, 2021 at 11:50:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:19:07 +0100, Joel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet
meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of
war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another
party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one
asking
for damages from the CCP?"

It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide
the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.

What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place.
Unhygienic meat markets =3D millions of deaths worldwide. If a private
company accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.


And what makes you think the virus wouldn't have found another way to
spread, if not for the meat market? There were things China did
wrong, early on, but they didn't create the virus. It does seem
linked to the meat market, sure, but it didn't evolve there. Let's
not pretend that China is more guilty than they are - they do a lot of
bad things, they abuse people's rights, they didn't act entirely in
good faith about the virus, and we should call them out on such
things. But this pandemic was something the world would have to face,
it isn't relevant which country it came from.

But since it was most likely from the lab.....


There is no evidence to back that claim.

Everyone knows it came from the lab.


No, they do not. And its own generic material suggests otherwise.

China refuses to cooperate enough with WHO or anyone else to provide the
proof. China has actively destroyed any such proof and failed to cooperate
with WHO because it fears the forensic science that could find what they
think they have covered so well. So, there will be no definitive proof but
that does not mean the truth is not known. The world will have to settle
for
that unfortunately. Here are two facts that may enlighten what really
probably happened. I stress, these are facts.

Fact 1) Dr. Shi, China=E2=80=99s ‘Bat Woman=E2=80=99,


Your newsreader is wonky. Shows up pooly here, too, so not just my system:


http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...ryzen.l an%3E

took one of her many bat coronaviruses and visited the University of
North
Carolina in 2014. The head of the virology department at this time there
was
Dr. Ralph Baric-the world=E2=80=99s leading authority on virus
‘gain
of function=E2=80=99. That is a nice way of saying he knew how to mutate a
virus that did not like humans into something very lethal that did like
people. The Wuhan Lab paid for this visit through a grant to the UNC.

The goal was to make Dr. Shi=E2=80=99s virus lethal to human lung tissue
and
they ran an experiment to do that. They succeeded and Dr. Shi and Dr.
Baric
co authored a scientific paper announcing their success. That was
published
in 2015 in the prestigious journal, Nature. This is the link to the full ,
unedited,paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 and verifies what
they were trying to do and how they did it and how they were successful.
It
also talks about the ‘ethics=E2=80=99=E2=80=99,or lack thereof, of
what they did. At the end of the study, Dr. Shi takes her ‘lethal
bat
corona virus=E2=80=99 back to Wuhan Lab.

That is all fact. The information is so embedded in the net that the CCP
could not go back and erase it. The only fact you have to concern yourself
with is that according to these irreproachable sources, Dr. Shi had a
human
lung eating bat coronavirus-verified in her lab- in 2015.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses and the Wuhan Lab was
sited
many times on its lack of sufficiently trained personnel to maintain the
high
levels of maintenance and security needed to contain biohazards of this
magnitude. Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice. Here is the source
for
that:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03
as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000 people
with
Brucellosis:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/

So, though no ‘hard evidence=E2=80=99, we do have verified proof
of
the Wuhan Lab housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus and a track
record
of these labs not being reliable in containing these lethal organisms. And
lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And
wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat
coronavirus. How interesting.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that the
virus
started in Wuhan. The reason is obvious as I have shown you. They seem to
cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other countries
earlier
in December. You see there is that word again-evidence. The other
countries
did not destroy their samples and by tracing back they can see the virus
spread faster and further out of Wuhan than anyone would have thought.
They
only thing, there is no ‘back looking=E2=80=99 at the Chinese
population ‘samples=E2=80=99 to see if there is (and there is) any
indication that it was running there long before December.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real
investigation.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/



Currently, the Great Lord Fauci admits it may have come from their lab.


He admits its origin is still unknown. Not the same as what you claim
he admits.
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On May 25, 2021 at 9:34:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place.
Unhygienic meat markets =3D millions of deaths worldwide. If a private
company
accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.


And what about other variations from Europe and Africa? Should we have them
pay too?


They didn't create them.


As with the original which evolved in China, those variants evolved in other
places.

They naturally evolved from the original that China made in the lab for
chemical warfare.


If there was any evidence they made it in a lab you would have a point. There
is no such evidence, and the genetic evidence strongly suggests otherwise.

In other words: you are pushing a faith-based argument.


ROTFPMSL! I just got permanently banned from a games forum for asking if a
mod could be made to change the nuclear war started by China in the game to a
coronavirus war started by China. Apparently it=E2=80=99s ok for the game
makers to accuse China of being likely to start a nuclear war, but not ok for
me to say the same thing about a virus, which is a lot less bad that a
nuclear bomb!


Given world events it is was, at best, in poor taste.

What is it about your posting that mangles things? "Apparently it=E2=80=99s
ok"

Weird. Is that just from Opera Mail?

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On May 25, 2021 at 9:50:23 AM MST, "Frank" wrote
:

On 5/23/2021 11:16 PM, Snit wrote:
On May 23, 2021 at 11:50:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:19:07 +0100, Joel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

It was caused by severe negligence - unsanitary conditions in wet meat
markets. If a company accidentally outputs a load of nuclear waste and
kills millions of people, they would be held accountable.

"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no one asking
for damages from the CCP?"

It appears that China did play down the virus in some ways for a
period of time, and that may have cost the rest of the world a
potential advantage early in the fight. But we are getting it under
control, we know how to fight it, we're committed to the fight, and
President Biden among others around the world can and will provide the
support for the effort it will take. It's a global problem, but we
know what we have to do to deal with it throughout the world.

What we need to do is bill China for creating it in the first place.
Unhygienic meat markets =3D millions of deaths worldwide. If a private
company accidentally killed millions, they would be held accountable.


And what makes you think the virus wouldn't have found another way to
spread, if not for the meat market? There were things China did
wrong, early on, but they didn't create the virus. It does seem
linked to the meat market, sure, but it didn't evolve there. Let's
not pretend that China is more guilty than they are - they do a lot of
bad things, they abuse people's rights, they didn't act entirely in
good faith about the virus, and we should call them out on such
things. But this pandemic was something the world would have to face,
it isn't relevant which country it came from.

But since it was most likely from the lab.....


There is no evidence to back that claim.

Everyone knows it came from the lab.


No, they do not. And its own generic material suggests otherwise.

China refuses to cooperate enough with WHO or anyone else to provide the
proof. China has actively destroyed any such proof and failed to cooperate
with WHO because it fears the forensic science that could find what they
think they have covered so well. So, there will be no definitive proof but
that does not mean the truth is not known. The world will have to settle for
that unfortunately. Here are two facts that may enlighten what really
probably happened. I stress, these are facts.

Fact 1) Dr. Shi, China=E2=80=99s ‘Bat Woman=E2=80=99,


Your newsreader is wonky. Shows up pooly here, too, so not just my system:



http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...ryzen.l an%3E

took one of her many bat coronaviruses and visited the University of North
Carolina in 2014. The head of the virology department at this time there was
Dr. Ralph Baric-the world=E2=80=99s leading authority on virus ‘gain
of function=E2=80=99. That is a nice way of saying he knew how to mutate a
virus that did not like humans into something very lethal that did like
people. The Wuhan Lab paid for this visit through a grant to the UNC.

The goal was to make Dr. Shi=E2=80=99s virus lethal to human lung tissue and
they ran an experiment to do that. They succeeded and Dr. Shi and Dr. Baric
co authored a scientific paper announcing their success. That was published
in 2015 in the prestigious journal, Nature. This is the link to the full ,
unedited,paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 and verifies what
they were trying to do and how they did it and how they were successful. It
also talks about the ‘ethics=E2=80=99=E2=80=99,or lack thereof, of
what they did. At the end of the study, Dr. Shi takes her ‘lethal
bat
corona virus=E2=80=99 back to Wuhan Lab.

That is all fact. The information is so embedded in the net that the CCP
could not go back and erase it. The only fact you have to concern yourself
with is that according to these irreproachable sources, Dr. Shi had a human
lung eating bat coronavirus-verified in her lab- in 2015.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses and the Wuhan Lab was sited
many times on its lack of sufficiently trained personnel to maintain the
high
levels of maintenance and security needed to contain biohazards of this
magnitude. Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice. Here is the source for
that:

https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03
as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000 people
with
Brucellosis:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/

So, though no ‘hard evidence=E2=80=99, we do have verified proof of
the Wuhan Lab housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus and a track
record
of these labs not being reliable in containing these lethal organisms. And
lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And
wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat
coronavirus. How interesting.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that the virus
started in Wuhan. The reason is obvious as I have shown you. They seem to
cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other countries earlier
in December. You see there is that word again-evidence. The other countries
did not destroy their samples and by tracing back they can see the virus
spread faster and further out of Wuhan than anyone would have thought. They
only thing, there is no ‘back looking=E2=80=99 at the Chinese
population ‘samples=E2=80=99 to see if there is (and there is) any
indication that it was running there long before December.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real
investigation.


https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/



Currently, the Great Lord Fauci admits it may have come from their lab.


I am not aware of any title he holds, but where does he say that?



Why do we have so many Chicom apologists in ahr?


Do you mean the folks who insist on actual evidence and not fear mongering
attacks?

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On Tue, 25 May 2021 13:59:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/25/2021 12:50 PM, Frank wrote:


* "There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act
of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for
the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
* When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another
party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no
one asking
for damages from the CCP?"


lung eating bat coronavirus-verified in her lab- in 2015.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses and the Wuhan Lab
was sited
many times on its lack of sufficiently trained personnel to maintain
the high
levels of maintenance and security needed to contain biohazards of this
magnitude. Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice. Here is the
source for
that:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03

as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000
people with
Brucellosis:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/


So, though no ‘hard evidence=E2=80=99, we do have verified
proof of
the Wuhan Lab housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus and a
track record
of these labs not being reliable in containing these lethal
organisms. And
lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And
wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat
coronavirus. How interesting.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that
the virus
started in Wuhan. The reason is obvious as I have shown you. They
seem to
cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other countries
earlier
in December. You see there is that word again-evidence. The other
countries
did not destroy their samples and by tracing back they can see the virus
spread faster and further out of Wuhan than anyone would have
thought. They
only thing, there is no ‘back looking=E2=80=99 at the Chinese
population ‘samples=E2=80=99 to see if there is (and there
is) any
indication that it was running there long before December.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real
investigation.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/



Currently, the Great Lord Fauci admits it may have come from their lab.

Why do we have so many Chicom apologists in ahr?


Key words: May have

That is still not hard evidence. How do we get it?


You're not going to find it if you don't look.
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On Tue, 25 May 2021 19:13:41 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


Given world events it is was, at best, in poor taste.


NOT for a troll, **** the Git, you troll-feeding senile HUGE ASSHOLE!
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wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 May 2021 13:59:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/25/2021 12:50 PM, Frank wrote:


"There are only two ways it was released: by accident due to
incompetence at Wuhan Lab or the CCP had the virus weaponized and
released on purpose. Of course this would be construed as an act
of war,
an act of economic warfare. Either way the CCP is responsible for
the
release of COVID-19 virus and damages incurred.
When I make a mistake and my mistake causes damages to another
party, I
have a responsibility to pay for those damages. Why then is no
one asking
for damages from the CCP?"


lung eating bat coronavirus-verified in her lab- in 2015.

Fact 2) China sucks at containing lethal viruses and the Wuhan Lab
was sited
many times on its lack of sufficiently trained personnel to maintain
the high
levels of maintenance and security needed to contain biohazards of
this
magnitude. Beijing lab released the SARS virus twice. Here is the
source for
that:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....ht-20040427-03

as well as a recent leak at a vaccine facility that sickened 3000
people with
Brucellosis:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7341054/c...a-brucellosis/


So, though no ‘hard evidence=E2=80=99, we do have verified
proof of
the Wuhan Lab housing a deadly lung eating bat coronavirus and a
track record
of these labs not being reliable in containing these lethal
organisms. And
lastly, we have a pandemic that started in the very city of Wuhan. And
wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it. It is caused by a human lung eating bat
coronavirus. How interesting.

Now, the CCP has launched new media efforts trying to deflect that
the virus
started in Wuhan. The reason is obvious as I have shown you. They
seem to
cite studies showing evidence of the virus being in other countries
earlier
in December. You see there is that word again-evidence. The other
countries
did not destroy their samples and by tracing back they can see the
virus
spread faster and further out of Wuhan than anyone would have
thought. They
only thing, there is no ‘back looking=E2=80=99 at the Chinese
population ‘samples=E2=80=99 to see if there is (and there
is) any
indication that it was running there long before December.

Also, here is the lastest call from MIT scientists to do a real
investigation.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...ogists-letter/



Currently, the Great Lord Fauci admits it may have come from their lab.

Why do we have so many Chicom apologists in ahr?


Key words: May have

That is still not hard evidence. How do we get it?


You're not going to find it if you don't look.


We have looked and discovered that the DNAs are very different.

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