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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 10:04:30 -0700 (PDT), "
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On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 11:24:46 AM UTC-4, Maskless Sociopath
wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:14 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/04/2021 15:38, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not
"lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that
way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as
we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now.
Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to
"Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are
outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone
ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse
than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard
time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn?
Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no
new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written
anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots,
it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all
his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born
in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will
die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give
you
much better protection from the virus.
What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a
carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who
can't
be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant
spread of the virus.

So this will never end. Is that what you are saying?


Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing
a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.
President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in
record time.

I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President
Trump did it.

Yes, all those nights alone in the lab, cranking out dose after dose.

You're an idiot.

Cindy Hamilton

No, he had people in the Fed printing money and he had FDA trimming a
lot of fat off the approval process.

You folks make it sound like Fauci was actually
doing something tho besides the scare of the week.

Corse he did when he pointed out the stupidity of Trump's claims.

Absolutely ZERO came out of 9000 Rockville Pike (NIH)
except conflicting advice and gloomy predictions.

Yet another stupid bare faced lie.

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 12:38:06 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 4/29/2021 10:35 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote:



Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of
needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that
develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.


President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in
record time.

I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but
President Trump did it.


Really? I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it. Did not
realize he was working in the lab.

It was underwriting their research and scale up. He provided the safety
net that expedited vaccine development and production.

Phizer did not need their "help" to accomplish their vaccine development.

Berlin helped them.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...not-washington

"Partner BioNTech received $445 million from German government"

Trump did give them $1.95 Billion to ramp up production.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/healt...act/index.html

I know better not to say anything anymore without some liberal web
site to back me up.

Thats bull**** with your bare faced lies about masks and countless other
stupiditys.

On 4/29/2021 4:54 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 12:16:23 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest...


On 4/29/2021 9:56 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

In other words, you're a coward. You're getting the benefit of all those that
were vaccinated, while afraid to take a tiny risk, one that pales in comparison
to the real, deadly effects of the disease. I just heard a commercial urging
people to get vaccinated. It said that this is the first time since WWII that
all Americans need to come together for the common good. You're hiding,
no surprise there. And with almost 600K Americans DEAD from Covid,
we need the vaccine now, not years from now.



There was about 6 to 10 people that developed the blood clots.

I just wonder how many were killed or in accidents on the way to get
vaccinated ? There are close to 40,000 killed on the highways and hard
telling how many with major injuries yet no one is calling for a ban on
cars.



Over 100,000 people die in the US each year from blood clots which is
over twice as many that die of breast cancer. One almost did me in over
20 years ago and the surgeon that removed it told me his father died of
a blood clot.

Might mention that I hear the DNA technology used by Pfizer and Moderna
has been around for maybe 15 years. The J&J uses existing vaccine
technology with a weaker or dead virus.

Besides underwriting the drug companies vaccine development, warp speed
also expedited FDA approval. If you are familiar with the FDA you
would find that it can take them years to approve anything, even drugs
approved for use in Europe and Japan and numerous other regions. Watch
the movie, The Dallas Buyers Club, about HIV drug approvals for a
realistic story.

Might mention also that it can take three years for the FDA to approve a
generic drug. As a retired chemist I can tell you that with proper lab
facilities I could approve a generic drug in less than a week.

Frank, Frank, Frank you are not a politician and you know too much about the
science... Shame on you.


That's just it and at the end of my working days in industry I worked in
chemical regulatory affairs which included work with the FDA on polymers
and even DC lobbyists.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:09:55 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:02:53 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:


Wrong, all you need for 90s% to be vaccinated to see the virus no longer
relevant.


I doubt you will get 90% in the most compliant countries and the US is
not one of them.

You doubt. You don't know. Or even have a rough idea.

We typically only get around half who take the Flu
shot and that is a well established vaccine.

You chose a poor analog - the Polio and Smallpox vaccines
are a much better comparison than the annual flu vaccine.

Or the Measles vaccine. Or the Shingles vaccine.

and what percentage get the measles or shingles vaccine in the USA.
Likely closer to 5 than 50.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:40:40 -0400, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:27:08 -0500, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest...


On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:17:48 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2021-04-28, Frank "frank wrote:
I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

I do follow the science and the facts - the real ones, not the propaganda
doled out by our lying government and mass media. That's why I won't
be vaccinated. It is the idiots who are lining up for experimental
treatments designed by companies who cannot be sued for any damages
that may result.

For the rest of us reason, logic, and common sense prevail.

Maybe they should round up folks like you who are unable or unwilling to
use reason, logic, and common sense, and take the lot of you to designated
areas around the country where you know what happens next.

Does that sound familiar?

Mickey(sic) already proposed that. What precisely do you mean when "where you
know what happens next."

The Zyklon B showers?

On 04/29/2021 08:47 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 6:20:03 PM UTC-4, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-04-28, Muggles wrote:
I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.
I'm perfectly fine with Leftists stepping up to the plate to take
part in these medical experimentation. Jab the lot of 'em.

Here's one for all you vaccine doubters:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/own-the-libs-get-vaxxed/

Cindy Hamilton


I knew the NR was around the bend but they're really outdoing themselves.

On 04/29/2021 08:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/29/2021 10:46 AM, Muggles wrote:


We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW.
Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were
too casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc.
They are dying in the streets.

India is wall to wall people everywhere. They can't social distance.

Despite all the precautions Americans have tried, American still got
sick. Some never knew they had covid, others got sick and recovered
at home. Still other were hospitalized and STILL got well. A few died
from complications from their comorbities and covid.

I'm still not becoming a guinea pig to experiment upon with an
untested "vaccine." Waiting to see how many people die or get sick
from the vaccine is a better approach, IMO.


There have been millions of doses given in the past year so not very
experimental at this stage. '\

The had a vaccine last April and weren't telling anybody? Or did you
maybe mean the last 4 months?

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:09:55 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:02:53 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:


Wrong, all you need for 90s% to be vaccinated to see the virus no longer
relevant.


I doubt you will get 90% in the most compliant countries and the US is
not one of them.

You doubt. You don't know. Or even have a rough idea.

We typically only get around half who take the Flu
shot and that is a well established vaccine.

You chose a poor analog - the Polio and Smallpox vaccines
are a much better comparison than the annual flu vaccine.

That was at a time when you got a vaccine at school whether your
parents approved or not. Most didn't even know until you got home and
told them.


Or the Measles vaccine.
Usually again, kids in school where people didn't have a lot of
choice. Still about 10% absolutely nationally refused to let the kids
do it. I assume the refusals were more local than that tho.

Or the Shingles vaccine.
only 35% of people eligible took that

If you are just saying this is a one time thing I bet that is wrong.
Pfizer is already saying we probably need another booster and we
haven't even had them for 6 months
The Flu shot is a better analog. I bet this is going to be an annual
thing. Participation will fall off too.
We are at around 57-58% of adults vaccinated (at least one dose)
nationally and demand is falling fast. They were on the news tonight
saying the number of people locally getting the shot has dropped by
almost half and doses are in danger of being tossed because nobody
wants them. There are places all over town where you can just walk in
and get a shot. People are not doing it.

On 4/29/2021 10:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 04/29/2021 08:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/29/2021 10:46 AM, Muggles wrote:


We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW.
Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were
too casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc.
They are dying in the streets.

India is wall to wall people everywhere.Â* They can't social distance.

Despite all the precautions Americans have tried, American still got
sick.Â* Some never knew they had covid, others got sick and recovered
at home. Still other were hospitalized and STILL got well.Â* A few died
from complications from their comorbities and covid.

I'm still not becoming a guinea pig to experiment upon with an
untested "vaccine."Â* Waiting to see how many people die or get sick
from the vaccine is a better approach, IMO.


There have been millions of doses given in the past year so not very
experimental at this stage.Â* '\

The had a vaccine last April and weren't telling anybody? Or did you
maybe mean the last 4 months?


Serious testing started last summer, My granddaughter got her shot
around July. It was finalized for release around November but there
were tens of thousands shots at that point. Millions now. .

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:09:55 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:02:53 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:


Wrong, all you need for 90s% to be vaccinated to see the virus no longer
relevant.


I doubt you will get 90% in the most compliant countries and the US is
not one of them.

You doubt. You don't know. Or even have a rough idea.

We typically only get around half who take the Flu
shot and that is a well established vaccine.

You chose a poor analog - the Polio and Smallpox vaccines
are a much better comparison than the annual flu vaccine.

That was at a time when you got a vaccine at school whether your
parents approved or not. Most didn't even know until you got home and
told them.


Or the Measles vaccine.
Usually again, kids in school where people didn't have a lot of
choice. Still about 10% absolutely nationally refused to let the kids
do it. I assume the refusals were more local than that tho.

Or the Shingles vaccine.
only 35% of people eligible took that

If you are just saying this is a one time thing I bet that is wrong.
Pfizer is already saying we probably need another booster and we
haven't even had them for 6 months

The Flu shot is a better analog.

Nope given that it's the only one many have that needs an annual shot.

I bet this is going to be an annual thing.

Bet it isnt particularly when we get the virus under control
so that few with ****ed immune systems get infected and an
so stop producing anything like as many variants of concern.


Participation will fall off too.

Sure, once this virus is under control.
But that wont see a second megawave.


We are at around 57-58% of adults vaccinated (at
least one dose) nationally and demand is falling fast.

It would be a ****ing sight more surprising if it wasn't.

Doesn't mean that we wont get the virus under control tho.

They were on the news tonight saying the number of
people locally getting the shot has dropped by almost half

From an immense number per day. Hardly
surprising that that cant be sustained forever.

and doses are in danger of being tossed because nobody wants them.

BULL****, it stores fine.

There are places all over town where you can just
walk in and get a shot. People are not doing it.

Because they have already got it, ****wit.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I wonder if he cries and goes to pieces every time the NEC is updated.

"Breakers instead of fuses? No more knob and tube wiring? You guys need to
get your story straight."

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 20:57:51 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I knew the NR was around the bend but they're really outdoing themselves.

The IRONY! This coming from a typical self-deluded notorious trumptard! LOL

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On 4/30/21 1:31 AM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I wonder if he cries and goes to pieces every time the NEC is updated.

"Breakers instead of fuses? No more knob and tube wiring? You guys need to
get your story straight."



Until the commie left destroys the Constitution this is still a free country.
The snowflakes can take the experimental gene therapy drug and wear as many layers of masks as they want. Done and done! Protected!

People with a healthy immune system can ignore Farcical Fauci's advice.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 10:39:14 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you
much better protection from the virus.
What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a
carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't
be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant
spread of the virus.
So this will never end. Is that what you are saying?

No one knows how exactly this will "end". We do have experience though
with other vaccines, putting down or totally eradicating diseases. So
stay tuned. BTW, let her rip didn't work with any of those either.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 10:47:27 AM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 4/28/2021 12:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 28/04/2021 18:21, Muggles wrote:
On 4/28/2021 9:41 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:57:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 28/04/2021 13:50, Frank wr

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?
I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER
several years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good
with letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.

We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW.
Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were too
casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc.
They are dying in the streets.

India is wall to wall people everywhere. They can't social distance.

Even if true, which it isn't, Americans can. Yet many refused, eg Trump
holding his packed crowds to try to get himself re-elected. How did that
work out for Herman Cain? And how many others got sick, died or infected
others that died that way?



Despite all the precautions Americans have tried, American still got
sick.

Sure, many did and we knew that was going to happen. The concept
behind masks and social distancing was to lessen the numbers, which
it did. Following your logic, because some patients that undergo surgery
still get infections, surgeons wearing masks and taking other appropriate
steps to reduce the occurrence, we might as well just stop doing that too.




Some never knew they had covid, others got sick and recovered at
home. Still other were hospitalized and STILL got well. A few died from
complications from their comorbities and covid.

A few? It's almost 600K as of today, stupid.



I'm still not becoming a guinea pig to experiment upon with an untested
"vaccine." Waiting to see how many people die or get sick from the
vaccine is a better approach, IMO.

--
Maggie

Coward

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 10:49:54 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:17:26 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:50:47 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/28/2021 7:16 AM, Larry wrote:
On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household
transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines
- and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and
49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE
found.

In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days
after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of
age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

Another good reason to get the vaccine.
This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers.


**** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats!
You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of
no-liability experimental gene therapy?






I'd not do that either but since the vaccine is not gene therapy I go
both shots. Don't let facts get in the way of your decision though.
I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

If you do not want to be vaccinated that is your choice and you can live
with the consequences.

And yet your hero, Donald Trump, sits by and does nothing to encourage
the Trumpets who follow him like a God, to get vaccinated. He even made
sure his vaccination was done in private, so there would be no footage of it.
He doesn't want to do anything to oppose any of his followers, whether they
are anti-vaxxers or white supremacists. Polls show 45% of Republicans say
they refuse to get vaccinated. Further evidence of what a total scum bag
Trump really is.
Trump has been gone for 100 days. Let it go.

Why don't you tell the Republicans to let Trump go? They won't they are
still grovelling before him, he's their leader. That's why we can't "let it go".


Where is that big change we were going to see? I haven't see a damned
thing change.

No surprise there.



We are still counting on Trump's vaccine but you folks
are now quibbling on that.

It was never Trump's vaccine. Pfizer started all out development on the vaccine
in January 2020, with the CEO ordering it, telling them do whatever it takes.
Trump was still lying and denying for months. And even after that, explain to us
what exactly you claim that Trump did? All I see is that Congress, not Trump, put
together a huge Covid bill that included a trillion dollars, some of which was
targeted for vaccines. Trump then gave some funding to some of the vaccine
companies for development and placed orders for the vaccines. BFD, even a
moron like Trump could do that. And even that, he screwed up royally, but we
happened to get very lucky. There were 6 potential vaccines, Trump only placed
partial orders with some of them. He should have had Manhattan Project like
commitment and funding for all six. If only one had panned out, we would have
been totally screwed, the country would not be vaccinated until next year.
But we got very, very lucky and 3 panned out.


Now you are telling me it doesn't stop the spread of the virus in any
appreciable way and we still might die even if we are vaccinated

You're confused again. I never said that. You are the one that has been
saying for months that because the mask and social distancing recommendations
continue, that means that the vaccines don't work.


Is there a plan for the end of this yet?

It's in progress.


I see, you have already turned on the guy you voted for so you must
not be looking at him for it.

I am disappointed that Biden has gone ultra lib crazy, but at least he's not
a daily embarrassment to the country and disgrace to the office. And right
now if I had to vote again, I would still pick Biden over Trump.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 10:53:38 AM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 4/28/2021 5:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-04-28, Muggles wrote:
I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.
I'm perfectly fine with Leftists stepping up to the plate to take
part in these medical experimentation. Jab the lot of 'em.

I observed the end result of when people were taking the flu shot.
After a number of years, the side effects were minimal, so I now will
get an annual flu shot. I'm waiting until the covid "vaccine" proves
safe before I take that untested shot.

--
Maggie

They have been tested, stupid. People in the first test groups were vaccinated over
a year ago. The flu, in a bad season, kills 60K people. Covid has killed ten
times that. It would be incredibly stupid to lose 600K people a year, waiting to
be more certain about the safety. But you can continue to be a coward, instead
of pitching in to help the country and your fellow human beings. Is that what Jesus
would do?

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 10:57:05 AM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 4/29/2021 2:06 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:
A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.


I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

I decided a long time ago I wouldn't live in fear.

You are living in fear. In irrational fear of getting vaccinated.



Since, I can't wear
masks, I'm going to live normally, which means, I go where I want, when
I want, and LIVE MY LIFE as I see fit.


We'll see how that works out for you.



--
Maggie

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 11:06:25 AM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 4/29/2021 6:21 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 1:22:39 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 4/28/2021 9:41 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:57:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 28/04/2021 13:50, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/28/2021 7:16 AM, Larry wrote:
On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household
transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca
vaccines - and who became infected three weeks later - were between
38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated
people, PHE found.

In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days
after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of
age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

Another good reason to get the vaccine.
This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers.


**** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats!
You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of
no-liability experimental gene therapy?






I'd not do that either but since the vaccine is not gene therapy I go
both shots. Don't let facts get in the way of your decision though.

I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

If you do not want to be vaccinated that is your choice and you can live
with the consequences.

Well said, Frank.



Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.



--
Maggie



In other words, you're a coward.
HAHAHA You believe taking care of MY own health in MY bests interests
is being a coward? naaaaaa ....
You're getting the benefit of all those that
were vaccinated,
Being an observer and learning from the bad choices other people make is
a good character trait.

Allowing other people to be guinea pigs and watching to see is they live
or die after getting an untested "vaccine" is being a coward, too? Nope
... it's called WISDOM!
while afraid to take a tiny risk,
Why should I take a risk by taking an untested shot?

The lie repeated. The first test groups were vaccinated over a year ago.
We have that history, no side effects. About 30K people were in the final
stage testing that took place last fall. No deaths, no side effects beyond
some cases of reaction within days of being vaccinated. Tens of millions
vaccinated with 100 plus days history now. ~150 mil given at least one shot.
What you don't realize is that the risk of winding up in the hospital or dead
from COVID is far higher than the vanishingly small risk of getting vaccinated.





I think that's
stupidity to take a shot that has NOT been tested.
I just heard a commercial urging
people to get vaccinated.
Commercials are promotions to the general public in order to SELL and
spin an idea and/or a product. Done properly, a marketer can spin the
same product different ways to target specific groups of people.
Manipulation of a target people group is not difficult to achieve, either.


Too bad some targeted commercials can't fix stupidity.






--
Maggie

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 11:07:08 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:30:34 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 12:02:46 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:53:27 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:10:12 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one)


I am with you. Give it a couple of months and when everyone has a
chance go get vccanated, go back to normal and let Darwin decide.

There was an artical in the local paper about having shots that are not
being used because of no takers.

Most of the pandemic 'rules' remind me of what a supervisor at work said
one time. I what I say may not be correct , but I have to say
something, that is my job.


I can't speak for the rest of the country but if you want a shot, you
can have one here and it has been that way for almost a month. Once
supply caught up with demand, the rollout included all of the big
commercial pharmacies and the county finally got their act together
you just signed up and got your shots. We didn't have to stand in line
or play one of those "caller # 99" games on the internet.
Now it is just show up and get a shot, like the flu shots. They can't
give away all they have available.
I think it is time to tell the anti vax folks, "You made your choice,
here we come" and throw away these silly masks.
The state is already open and has been since last year.

The doomsday scenario didn't happen. We get some cases and the numbers
rise and fall but the fact is you have as good a chance of dying in
your car as you do from dying of Covid here right now (about 50 a week
in the last hyped up "spike").

It isnt just about dying, stupid.
There is no real stress on the hospitals either. What scares you so
bad?

600K dead Americans? People with lung transplants? People still suffering
from bizarre effects a year later? Knowing friends of friends, relatives of
friends that died? Knowing that while the risks are now lowering, it's far from
over?



We watched Crocodile Dundee and got the idea Australians were tough
but you seem, like pussies scared of everything the more we get to
know about you. I guess it was just a movie.

I'd say it's more like you're still in denial. Remember a year ago, when you advocated
for letting her rip? How many more dead and sick do you think there would have
been had that been the policy?
Hard to say based on the Florida experiment.
Our death rate is lower than more than half the states (rank #28 out
of 51) and we have pretty much been let'n r rip since the summer.

New Jersey, still somewhat locked down 286/100,000 Median age 40.1
Florida, mostly open since summer 162/100,000 Median age 42.5

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_median_age

Factor in that NJ got hit extremely hard, early on, last spring, while FL did not.
It started in NY, NJ, WA. And back then the death rates were much higher,
because we didn't know how to best treat it.

On 4/30/2021 7:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 10:49:54 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:17:26 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:50:47 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/28/2021 7:16 AM, Larry wrote:
On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household
transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines
- and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and
49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE
found.

In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days
after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of
age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

Another good reason to get the vaccine.
This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers.


**** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats!
You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of
no-liability experimental gene therapy?






I'd not do that either but since the vaccine is not gene therapy I go
both shots. Don't let facts get in the way of your decision though.
I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

If you do not want to be vaccinated that is your choice and you can live
with the consequences.

And yet your hero, Donald Trump, sits by and does nothing to encourage
the Trumpets who follow him like a God, to get vaccinated. He even made
sure his vaccination was done in private, so there would be no footage of it.
He doesn't want to do anything to oppose any of his followers, whether they
are anti-vaxxers or white supremacists. Polls show 45% of Republicans say
they refuse to get vaccinated. Further evidence of what a total scum bag
Trump really is.
Trump has been gone for 100 days. Let it go.

Why don't you tell the Republicans to let Trump go? They won't they are
still grovelling before him, he's their leader. That's why we can't "let it go".


Where is that big change we were going to see? I haven't see a damned
thing change.

No surprise there.



We are still counting on Trump's vaccine but you folks
are now quibbling on that.

It was never Trump's vaccine. Pfizer started all out development on the vaccine
in January 2020, with the CEO ordering it, telling them do whatever it takes.
Trump was still lying and denying for months. And even after that, explain to us
what exactly you claim that Trump did? All I see is that Congress, not Trump, put
together a huge Covid bill that included a trillion dollars, some of which was
targeted for vaccines. Trump then gave some funding to some of the vaccine
companies for development and placed orders for the vaccines. BFD, even a
moron like Trump could do that. And even that, he screwed up royally, but we
happened to get very lucky. There were 6 potential vaccines, Trump only placed
partial orders with some of them. He should have had Manhattan Project like
commitment and funding for all six. If only one had panned out, we would have
been totally screwed, the country would not be vaccinated until next year.
But we got very, very lucky and 3 panned out.


Now you are telling me it doesn't stop the spread of the virus in any
appreciable way and we still might die even if we are vaccinated

You're confused again. I never said that. You are the one that has been
saying for months that because the mask and social distancing recommendations
continue, that means that the vaccines don't work.


Is there a plan for the end of this yet?

It's in progress.


I see, you have already turned on the guy you voted for so you must
not be looking at him for it.

I am disappointed that Biden has gone ultra lib crazy, but at least he's not
a daily embarrassment to the country and disgrace to the office. And right
now if I had to vote again, I would still pick Biden over Trump.


I pointed out that you were someone that would cut off his nose to spite
his face but it appears now that you would cut off your head to spite
your body.

On 4/30/2021 8:28 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/30/2021 7:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 10:49:54 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:17:26 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:50:47 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/28/2021 7:16 AM, Larry wrote:
On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household
transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca
vaccines
- and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and
49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE
found.

In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days
after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of
age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

Another good reason to get the vaccine.
This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers.


**** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats!
You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of
no-liability experimental gene therapy?






I'd not do that either but since the vaccine is not gene therapy I go
both shots. Don't let facts get in the way of your decision though.
I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

If you do not want to be vaccinated that is your choice and you can
live
with the consequences.

And yet your hero, Donald Trump, sits by and does nothing to encourage
the Trumpets who follow him like a God, to get vaccinated. He even made
sure his vaccination was done in private, so there would be no
footage of it.
He doesn't want to do anything to oppose any of his followers,
whether they
are anti-vaxxers or white supremacists. Polls show 45% of
Republicans say
they refuse to get vaccinated. Further evidence of what a total scum
bag
Trump really is.
Trump has been gone for 100 days. Let it go.

Why don't you tell the Republicans to let Trump go?Â* They won't they are
still grovelling before him, he's their leader.Â*Â* That's why we can't
"let it go".


Where is that big change we were going to see? I haven't see a damned
thing change.

No surprise there.



Â* We are still counting on Trump's vaccine but you folks
are now quibbling on that.

It was never Trump's vaccine.Â* Pfizer started all out development on
the vaccine
in January 2020, with the CEO ordering it, telling them do whatever it
takes.
Trump was still lying and denying for months.Â*Â* And even after that,
explain to us
what exactly you claim that Trump did?Â*Â* All I see is that Congress,
not Trump, put
together a huge Covid bill that included a trillion dollars, some of
which was
targeted for vaccines.Â* Trump then gave some funding to some of the
vaccine
companies for development and placed orders for the vaccines.Â* BFD,
even a
moron like Trump could do that.Â*Â* And even that, he screwed up
royally, but we
happened to get very lucky.Â*Â* There were 6 potential vaccines, Trump
only placed
partial orders with some of them.Â* He should have had Manhattan
Project like
commitment and funding for all six.Â*Â* If only one had panned out, we
would have
been totally screwed, the country would not be vaccinated until next
year.
Â* But we got very, very lucky and 3 panned out.


Now you are telling me it doesn't stop the spread of the virus in any
appreciable way and we still might die even if we are vaccinated

You're confused again.Â* I never said that.Â* You are the one that has been
saying for months that because the mask and social distancing
recommendations
continue, that means that the vaccines don't work.


Is there a plan for the end of this yet?

It's in progress.


I see, you have already turned on the guy you voted for so you must
not be looking at him for it.

I am disappointed that Biden has gone ultra lib crazy, but at least
he's not
a daily embarrassment to the country and disgrace to the office.Â* And
right
now if I had to vote again, I would still pick Biden over Trump.


I pointed out that you were someone that would cut off his nose to spite
his face but it appears now that you would cut off your head to spite
your body.

Even one of our enemies believes this:

https://english.pravda.ru/opinion/39...erica_fascist/

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 11:20:23 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:40:05 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 3:03:42 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.
We do it with motorcycle helmets.
If you don't wear one, Darwin gets a swing at you and the government
doesn't care.
The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

So they are basing policy on the latest guess.

There you go again.


This is far from
settled science and you seem to be admitting that.
I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
Basically you are saying this will never end because there will always
be the chance of infection no matter what we do.

If the vaccine is working, why are we still wearing masks?

That has been explained to you many times, in detail here. Yet you keep
asking.



If the vaccine is not working, what is your idea of an end game?

The vaccine is working, it's just that we need as many people as possible to
get vaccinated. One person who could do a lot there is Trump. Yet as
usual, he's MIA. He could be making public service commercials, urging
the Trumpets that think he's a god, to get vaccinated. Instead, what did he
do? He got vaccinated in secret and won't speak out. Why? He knows that
all the anti-mask, anti-social distancing, anti-vax BS that he helped create
is still going strong. He won't say anything because it would cost him some
support. And that's one thing Trump will never do, risk ****ing off anyone who
supports him, whether they are anti-vaxers, Qanon, or white supremacists.
The only thing Trump cares about is that they like him and he won't do
anything to upset that. A true scum bag to the end.


I doubt we will ever get to zero chance of an infection.
There are certainly plenty of small businesses that will never open
again. I know, **** them. You still get your government check every
month.

What do you expect? It's a pandemic and pandemics throughout history have
had serious consequences and major negative effects.
Nothing has been explained.

Yes it has, you just ignore the explanations.


I only hear the contradictory statements
from the guessers.
You folks say nothing is 100% but you are not going to take your knee
off the neck of the economy until we get to 100%.

I didn't know I had my knee on the neck of the economy. Bad knee, bad.




We started by saying we were going to flatten the curve so the
hospitals could handle the flow.
We did that. The hospitals were never really overloaded except for a
few isolated places, mostly ones that have little capacity in the
first place.

Obviously you didn't watch what happened in places like NYC.
Next you'll be doing what some of the trumptard politicians are doing.
Mocking Cuomo and de Blasio for urgently requesting more ventilators,
the field hospitals, etc as cases were rapidly rising and they were running
out of resources. I guess they should have taken a
trumptard approach, lie, hope that worst case doesn't happen, do nothing
and if disaster results, lie some more and blame someone else.



We were going to run out of ventilators and everyone was trying to
make more.
We never ran out and now they are a glut on the market. I know a guy
with a warehouse full he can't sell if you have a local issue

There you go, no surprise, Mr. Monday Quaterback again. Sure, we know
that NOW, we didn't know it a year ago. It's like saying that it was wrong,
a mistake to prepare for a hurricane that is headed to a city because it later
turned course, weakened.




The vaccine was what we needed
We have it

Lock downs and masks work.
Explain why states with draconian measures are doing worse than those
without.

Explain how you know that those states with restrictions would not be doing
even worse without the restrictions.




This is far from settled science, It is arguable that there is little
actual science involved in these policies at all.

No one said it's "settled", just that we go with the best of what we know at
the time and adapt. That seems better than lying and denying. Funny we
didn't see you object to Trump doing that.



Explain how what we have been doing science here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scient...fic_Method.svg

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 11:20:42 AM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 4/29/2021 10:09 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
...
On 4/28/2021 12:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 28/04/2021 18:21, Muggles wrote:
On 4/28/2021 9:41 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:57:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 28/04/2021 13:50, Frank wr



The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?


I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER
several years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm
good with letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.



We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW.
Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were
too casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc.
They are dying in the streets.

India is wall to wall people everywhere.

Wrong, as always.

They can't social distance.

Wrong, as always.

Despite all the precautions Americans have tried, American still got
sick.

Because they compressively ****ed up what they tried
because fools like you refused to wear masks.
People who "compressively"(your word) wore masks STILL caught covid.

Math fail repeated. Sure, SOME people who wore masks still caught Covid,
no one ever said masks were 100% effective. And the main benefit from
masks is to reduce the chances of YOU infecting someone else.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 11:22:07 AM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 4/29/2021 10:14 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/04/2021 15:38, wrote:

So this will never end. Is that what you are saying?



Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a
jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.
How do you KNOW "Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse"????

--
Maggie

Because the unvaccinated population will continue to be a means for the
virus to keep going, to mutate into more deadlier strains, to waste hospital
resources, to waste public money, when they get sick, etc, stupid.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 11:24:46 AM UTC-4, Maskless Sociopath wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:14 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/04/2021 15:38, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you
much better protection from the virus.
What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a
carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't
be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant
spread of the virus.

So this will never end. Is that what you are saying?


Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.
President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time.

I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it.


Exactly what did Trump do? Pfizer and others started crash programs in January 2020,
when Trump was lying and denying. Trump lied and denied for months more. Congress
put together the Covid funding, they allocated money there for vaccine development
and purchase. The Trump administration handed it out. BFD. And they got extremely
lucky, because while there were 6 vaccine candidates, Trump never placed orders for
enough vaccines with ALL of them. There should have been a plan for enough vaccine
if any one of the six panned out. We just got extremely lucky that 3 of 6 worked.
Had only one worked, Trump's incompetence, his roll of the dice with American lives,
would have left us without vaccines for most of this year.

There are heroes in all this. Those are the people we still don't know, all the
professionals at the drug companies, working 24/7, that made this happen.
While they were doing that, Trump was holding his death rallies, no masks,
no social distancing. Trump was on the side of the virus.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 12:16:33 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/29/2021 9:56 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

In other words, you're a coward. You're getting the benefit of all those that
were vaccinated, while afraid to take a tiny risk, one that pales in comparison
to the real, deadly effects of the disease. I just heard a commercial urging
people to get vaccinated. It said that this is the first time since WWII that
all Americans need to come together for the common good. You're hiding,
no surprise there. And with almost 600K Americans DEAD from Covid,
we need the vaccine now, not years from now.



There was about 6 to 10 people that developed the blood clots.

I just wonder how many were killed or in accidents on the way to get
vaccinated ? There are close to 40,000 killed on the highways and hard
telling how many with major injuries yet no one is calling for a ban on
cars.



Over 100,000 people die in the US each year from blood clots which is
over twice as many that die of breast cancer. One almost did me in over
20 years ago and the surgeon that removed it told me his father died of
a blood clot.

Might mention that I hear the DNA technology used by Pfizer and Moderna
has been around for maybe 15 years. The J&J uses existing vaccine
technology with a weaker or dead virus.

Besides underwriting the drug companies vaccine development, warp speed
also expedited FDA approval.

Pfizer did not take any govt money for development. I see someone here just
posted that Moderna did not either, I'm not sure about that.



If you are familiar with the FDA you
would find that it can take them years to approve anything, even drugs
approved for use in Europe and Japan and numerous other regions. Watch
the movie, The Dallas Buyers Club, about HIV drug approvals for a
realistic story.

Sure, but this was a global pandemic, with severe consequences to lives and
the economy, so of course the FDA response was going to be very different.

On 30/04/2021 11:46, Bruno wrote:
On 4/30/21 1:31 AM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard
time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn?
Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
Â* WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I wonder if he cries and goes to pieces every time the NEC is updated.

"Breakers instead of fuses? No more knob and tube wiring? You guys
need to
get your story straight."



Until the commie left destroys the Constitution this is still a free
country.
The snowflakes can take the experimental gene therapy drug and wear as
many layers of masks as they want. Done and done! Protected!

People with a healthy immune system can ignore Farcical Fauci's advice.

€˜We are burning bodies as they arrive: Indias crematoriums overwhelmed
as Covid crisis spirals.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/i...-b1837109.html

This is what happens when folk don't socially distance nor wear masks, Fool.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 1:35:52 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote:



Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing
a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.


President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in
record time.

I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but
President Trump did it.


Really? I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it. Did not realize
he was working in the lab.
It was underwriting their research and scale up. He provided the safety
net that expedited vaccine development and production.

Pfizer didn't get govt money for vaccine development. As to the funds provided
by the US govt to other vaccine companies, Congress passed a huge Covid
relief bill that provided for it, giving Trump the authority to hand it out. I didn't
see Trump actively championing any funding at the time either. He was in
full lying and denying mode when the legislation was passed. So his
administration handed out some govt money. Trumpets make it sound like
this was a monumental achievement. And even then, Trump really screwed
up, but he got very luck. They should have had enough orders for vaccines
and a path to success if any one of the six candidates panned out. Instead
they only placed partial orders. Had only one vaccine panned out, we would
have been royally screwed.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 3:38:12 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/29/2021 10:35 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote:



Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of
needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.


President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in
record time.

I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but
President Trump did it.


Really? I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it. Did not
realize he was working in the lab.

It was underwriting their research and scale up. He provided the safety
net that expedited vaccine development and production.
Phizer did not need their "help" to accomplish their vaccine development.

Notice too that when Trump held his victory lap summit at the WH, none of
the drug company CEOs would attend. That tells you something about Trump
and his relationship with some great American companies.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 4:52:18 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:21:51 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of us to
digest...


In other words, you're a coward. You're getting the benefit of all those that
were vaccinated, while afraid to take a tiny risk, one that pales in comparison
to the real, deadly effects of the disease. I just heard a commercial urging
people to get vaccinated. It said that this is the first time since WWII that
all Americans need to come together for the common good. You're hiding,
no surprise there. And with almost 600K Americans DEAD from Covid,
we need the vaccine now, not years from now.


You got it. Near you it's expiring because they have too much. Ya know some
hospital people are refusing it? They have to pay them to take it? You don't
stand for freedom of choice, your mantra is "I am lord, I am right, sit down,
shut up" sounds familiar from say the 40's thereabout.

--
Tekkie

I see, so following science and sound medicine, advocating for people to get
vaccinated so we can save lives, reduce hospitalizations and put this behind us,
is like being a Nazi. Is that what you just implied?

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:20:54 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:24:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 4/28/2021 5:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-04-28, Muggles wrote:
I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.


I'm perfectly fine with Leftists stepping up to the plate to take
part in these medical experimentation. Jab the lot of 'em.



I observed the end result of when people were taking the flu shot. After a
number of years, the side effects were minimal, so I now will get an
annual flu shot. I'm waiting until the covid "vaccine" proves safe before
I take that untested shot.

Its a bare faced lie that the covid vaccines are untested.

You are almost right. The short term test=s were hurried but they did
do most of them The long term tests are going on now, in 143 million
Americans. Every day is another test data point. Since drugs typically
have 6-10 year test cycles with the FDA, the long term tests will be
done in 2027 to 2031.

Can you give us an example of any vaccine where side effects only emerged
more than a year later?

On 4/30/2021 9:05 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 1:35:52 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote:



Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing
a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.


President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in
record time.

I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but
President Trump did it.


Really? I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it. Did not realize
he was working in the lab.
It was underwriting their research and scale up. He provided the safety
net that expedited vaccine development and production.

Pfizer didn't get govt money for vaccine development. As to the funds provided
by the US govt to other vaccine companies, Congress passed a huge Covid
relief bill that provided for it, giving Trump the authority to hand it out. I didn't
see Trump actively championing any funding at the time either. He was in
full lying and denying mode when the legislation was passed. So his
administration handed out some govt money. Trumpets make it sound like
this was a monumental achievement. And even then, Trump really screwed
up, but he got very luck. They should have had enough orders for vaccines
and a path to success if any one of the six candidates panned out. Instead
they only placed partial orders. Had only one vaccine panned out, we would
have been royally screwed.


https://www.cbs58.com/news/fact-chec...e-announcement

On 4/30/2021 8:47 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 11:24:46 AM UTC-4, Maskless Sociopath wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:14 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/04/2021 15:38, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you
much better protection from the virus.
What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a
carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't
be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant
spread of the virus.

So this will never end. Is that what you are saying?


Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.
President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time.

I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it.


Exactly what did Trump do? Pfizer and others started crash programs in January 2020,
when Trump was lying and denying. Trump lied and denied for months more. Congress
put together the Covid funding, they allocated money there for vaccine development
and purchase. The Trump administration handed it out. BFD. And they got extremely
lucky, because while there were 6 vaccine candidates, Trump never placed orders for
enough vaccines with ALL of them. There should have been a plan for enough vaccine
if any one of the six panned out. We just got extremely lucky that 3 of 6 worked.
Had only one worked, Trump's incompetence, his roll of the dice with American lives,
would have left us without vaccines for most of this year.

There are heroes in all this. Those are the people we still don't know, all the
professionals at the drug companies, working 24/7, that made this happen.
While they were doing that, Trump was holding his death rallies, no masks,
no social distancing. Trump was on the side of the virus.

https://www.cbs58.com/news/fact-chec...e-announcement

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 03:03:14 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

We do it with motorcycle helmets.
If you don't wear one, Darwin gets a swing at you and the government
doesn't care.




The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

So they are basing policy on the latest guess. This is far from
settled science and you seem to be admitting that.

I don't know how you got that from what I wrote.


I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.

Basically you are saying this will never end because there will always
be the chance of infection no matter what we do.

Again, I don't know how you got any of that from what I wrote. Maybe try
reading it again, this time as slowly as you need to go?


If the vaccine is working, why are we still wearing masks?
If the vaccine is not working, what is your idea of an end game?
I doubt we will ever get to zero chance of an infection.
There are certainly plenty of small businesses that will never open
again. I know, **** them. You still get your government check every
month.

Dude, you're messed up. All of this has been explained to you multiple
times by multiple people. Do you think there's a chance that the problem is
at your end?

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 03:06:58 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.

Have you ever worn a seatbelt? Was it because you were quivering in fear?
Have you ever looked both ways before crossing a street? Was it because you
were quivering in fear?

At what point does common sense and acting for the greater good become
quivering in fear?


I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

If you've been quivering in fear and huddled in a corner all this time, you
have bigger problems than a mask or a vaccine can fix.