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The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html
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On 4/22/21 4:30 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html

Be better if they deployed all that staff instead to processing and
delivering the mail. I believe that is what the post office's mission
is, eh what?

My mail sometimes comes as late as 8:15 PM with the usual complement of
two or three mis-delivered mailpieces per month.

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On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:30:35 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
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The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html


The only way this makes any sense at all is if they were looking for
people who might be sending letter bombs or poisons through the mail.
Both have happened and it might be a concern for the safety of the
postal workers. Other than that it makes no sense.
OTOH after 74 trips around the sun I had found out plenty of things
the federal government does not have to make sense.
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On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 6:54:56 PM UTC-4, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 4/22/21 4:30 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html

Be better if they deployed all that staff instead to processing and
delivering the mail. I believe that is what the post office's mission
is, eh what?

My mail sometimes comes as late as 8:15 PM with the usual complement of
two or three mis-delivered mailpieces per month.

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Name one time in human history when the group seeking to ban books and
censor speech were the good guys. I'll wait...


It's ridiculous that the USPS has resources on this, when they are losing money,
closing facilities, instituting cuts on service, etc. Even if they had no problems,
there is no justification I see for this.

Meanwhile I sent two small first class mail items in the past week that are
supposed to have tracking. One I put into a USPS blue mailbox outside the
library, the other in the mailbox outside a local post office. Neither shows
any tracking. One has been just over a week, the other several days now.
It's not unusual for mail not to scan at first. Sometimes it takes a day or two
and then it shows up somewhere along it's way and then tracks from there.
But I've never seen this before.

A friend of mine sent his income tax to the IRS back in January, paid for return
receipt/delivery confirmation service. Tracking shows it got there, but he never
got a receipt back showing it, like he paid for. And so far the IRS doesn't show
they have it either.





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On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:30:35 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
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The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html

The only way this makes any sense at all is if they were looking for
people who might be sending letter bombs or poisons through the mail.
Both have happened and it might be a concern for the safety of the
postal workers. Other than that it makes no sense.


Even then it makes no sense. We shouldn't have a whole bunch of agencies monitoring
the internet for bad actors. We should have one and if they see something, then they
should forward it to the appropriate agency to investigate further, if necessary.



OTOH after 74 trips around the sun I had found out plenty of things
the federal government does not have to make sense.



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On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 04:03:04 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
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On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 6:54:56 PM UTC-4, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 4/22/21 4:30 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html

Be better if they deployed all that staff instead to processing and
delivering the mail. I believe that is what the post office's mission
is, eh what?

My mail sometimes comes as late as 8:15 PM with the usual complement of
two or three mis-delivered mailpieces per month.

--
Name one time in human history when the group seeking to ban books and
censor speech were the good guys. I'll wait...


It's ridiculous that the USPS has resources on this, when they are losing money,
closing facilities, instituting cuts on service, etc. Even if they had no problems,
there is no justification I see for this.

Meanwhile I sent two small first class mail items in the past week that are
supposed to have tracking. One I put into a USPS blue mailbox outside the
library, the other in the mailbox outside a local post office. Neither shows
any tracking. One has been just over a week, the other several days now.
It's not unusual for mail not to scan at first. Sometimes it takes a day or two
and then it shows up somewhere along it's way and then tracks from there.
But I've never seen this before.

A friend of mine sent his income tax to the IRS back in January, paid for return
receipt/delivery confirmation service. Tracking shows it got there, but he never
got a receipt back showing it, like he paid for. And so far the IRS doesn't show
they have it either.

I am not sure the IRS even honors return receipt mail.
I never got a receipt and that was years ago before we started
thinking the mail was bad.

OTOH I sent a Priority package to the wilds of Northern Michigan that
has always taken an extra day and it got there in 4 days, one being
Sunday. (In my mailbox on Thursday, delivered on Monday)
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 04:05:15 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
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On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:53:19 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:30:35 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
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The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html

The only way this makes any sense at all is if they were looking for
people who might be sending letter bombs or poisons through the mail.
Both have happened and it might be a concern for the safety of the
postal workers. Other than that it makes no sense.


Even then it makes no sense. We shouldn't have a whole bunch of agencies monitoring
the internet for bad actors. We should have one and if they see something, then they
should forward it to the appropriate agency to investigate further, if necessary.

That is not the government way. These agencies do everything they can
to protect their turf and I can see the postal inspectors wanting to
do this in house if there is any way at all to come up with a nexus to
their mission.

OTOH the whole story might be bull**** started by a conspiracy guy who
saw something in a postal budget, found some obscure memo and ran with
it.
Who knows?
I am certainly not that worried about postal inspectors reading my
dog's Facebook page. If they **** with him he will bite them
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On 4/22/2021 1:30 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html


Another fine action by trumps boy DeJoy?
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On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 4:30:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html


In the past, they've steamed open other peoples' (organization's) letter and stamps, etc...


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On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 02:12:49 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
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On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 4:30:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html


In the past, they've steamed open other peoples' (organization's) letter and stamps, etc...


They don't have to steam anything open. Your mail is all subject to
postal inspection at their discretion.
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In Ed Pawlowski writes:

Nope. The _outside_ is fair game to them. Not the contents,


Depends. Some mail can be opened, other mail would need a warrant.


Get actual facts he
https://faq.usps.com/s/article/Can-my-mail-be-opened


Which confrims my point. "First class mail", for which
full postage has been paid, is NOT searchable under
normal circumstances.

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On 4/24/2021 9:32 PM, danny burstein wrote:
In Ed Pawlowski writes:

Nope. The _outside_ is fair game to them. Not the contents,


Depends. Some mail can be opened, other mail would need a warrant.


Get actual facts he
https://faq.usps.com/s/article/Can-my-mail-be-opened


Which confrims my point. "First class mail", for which
full postage has been paid, is NOT searchable under
normal circumstances.



Watch a couple of "To Catch A Smuggler" on Nat Geo and you can see
packages getting opened both mail and freight.

Dogs, X-ray and hunches catch a lot of illegal stuff.


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On 4/22/2021 1:30 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The USPS is monitoring social media. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Maybe just another example of mission creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-postal-service-is-running-a-running-a-covert-operations-program-that-monitors-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html


Another fine action by trumps boy DeJoy?


Give it a rest Bob, Biden likes him so you be ok.

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