On 03/31/2021 08:53 AM, Frank wrote:
On 3/31/2021 9:57 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/31/2021 06:30 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
They've improved the safety electronics- but have done away with 6
cylinder sedans- replacing them with 4 cylinder turbo engines. And as
with any new engine/car design, their reliability has suffered the last
couple of years- so Honda is still on my no-fly list :-(

Are they using CVT's? That's the show stopper for me, not safety
electronics. I'll admit the auto-dimming headlights seem to work well.
I've triggered the collision warning a couple of times-- and I knew
exactly what I was doing each time. The backuo camera is mildly
useful. I wouldn't wnt to run over the cat.


I like the CVT on my Subaru Crosstrek. Even with AWD I am getting 30
mpg average. I'm not a speed demon that needs jackrabbit starts.

AS I understand it, it's like a '59 Buick Electra with a Dynaflow
tranny. Engine rpm has little to do with what's happening outside.


Have yet to have emergency braking and no desire to check and see if it
works. I'm always getting bells and whistles when it does not know a
break in the road lines are from a side street entry and not my mistake.
It also almost steers itself with that function.

Mine has a vestigial road line deal. It sort of shows deviations but
doesn't try to correct them. The crash avoidance just chirps but doesn't
apply the brakes. At least now if I hold the button down for a few
seconds the traction control turns off. Toyota finally figured out it's
impossible to rock a car with it engaged. You can also turn off the
stability control. Driving on dirt roads sometimes confuses it. With the
old car I've had it nearly stop me completely if I was drifting a little.

On 03/31/2021 01:39 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 3/31/21 9:57 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/31/2021 06:30 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
They've improved the safety electronics- but have done away with 6
cylinder sedans- replacing them with 4 cylinder turbo engines. And as
with any new engine/car design, their reliability has suffered the last
couple of years- so Honda is still on my no-fly list :-(

Are they using CVT's? That's the show stopper for me, not safety
electronics. I'll admit the auto-dimming headlights seem to work well.
I've triggered the collision warning a couple of times-- and I knew
exactly what I was doing each time. The backuo camera is mildly
useful. I wouldn't wnt to run over the cat.


The '21 Accord 1.5L turbo has a CVT; don't know about the 2.0L.

My wife's Subaru has a CVT. You sort of get used to it buzzing on
acceleration (which is surprisingly strong) but I really miss the
kick-down.


I think it was Paul of Peter, Paul, and Mary that would do a comedy
thing about Mr. Businessman who just had his bands tightened drag racing
a kid. It just isn't the same without the vocal sound effects of the
loose bands but I can't find a clip.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 21:30:31 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


I think it was Paul of Peter, Paul, and Mary that would do a comedy
thing about Mr. Businessman who just had his bands tightened drag racing
a kid. It just isn't the same without the vocal sound effects of the
loose bands but I can't find a clip.

I think you ARE a real ridiculous senile gossip, lowbrowwoman. LOL

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 19:57:49 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 3/31/2021 1:23 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Frank "frank writes:
On 3/31/2021 11:50 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Frank "frank writes:
On 3/31/2021 9:53 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

I'm half in the market for a new car again and I looked at the Hondas- a
brand I've owned many of over the years and usually liked a lot.

They've improved the safety electronics- but have done away with 6
cylinder sedans- replacing them with 4 cylinder turbo engines. And as
with any new engine/car design, their reliability has suffered the last
couple of years- so Honda is still on my no-fly list :-(




A few years ago I was looking at new cars and wanted the horse power of
the V6. HOnda only had a 4 with the turbo. I just thought the turbo
was something else not needed to give trouble ,so went with the Toyota
with out even going to the Honda dealer to look at a car.

Would have looked at the Nissan, but my son had bought one a few years
back and the transmission went out at about 130,000. Found out that
that was a bad design and they had extended the warrenty to 120,000
miles. As it was just slightly over that, Nissan would not repair it
for free and cost my son about $ 4000 to get it repaired.



I'd avoid a turbo too, apparently expensive to fix if there is a problem
and puts more stress on a small engine wearing it out.

Nissan's were good up to maybe early 2,000's when Renault joined them
and they started to go downhill.

Upon what do you base that assertion? How many, and what model,
Nissan vehicles have you driven?

My experience with Nissan (and Datsun) has been 100% positive with
no significant issues on three vehicles ('81 810 Maxima, '98 I30 and '12 M37).


You can look it up yourself.

In other words, you can't support your assertion. Noted.

I did a quick google and got lots of hits about Nissan's decline. I
don't care what you think, if you are capable of thinking.

I was surprised when I looked at a consumer reports article about the
worst cars and some Nissan was the worst.
I remember when Detroit was chasing them too.

On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 23:15:38 -0400, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 19:57:49 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 3/31/2021 1:23 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Frank "frank writes:
On 3/31/2021 11:50 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Frank "frank writes:
On 3/31/2021 9:53 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

I'm half in the market for a new car again and I looked at the Hondas- a
brand I've owned many of over the years and usually liked a lot.

They've improved the safety electronics- but have done away with 6
cylinder sedans- replacing them with 4 cylinder turbo engines. And as
with any new engine/car design, their reliability has suffered the last
couple of years- so Honda is still on my no-fly list :-(




A few years ago I was looking at new cars and wanted the horse power of
the V6. HOnda only had a 4 with the turbo. I just thought the turbo
was something else not needed to give trouble ,so went with the Toyota
with out even going to the Honda dealer to look at a car.

Would have looked at the Nissan, but my son had bought one a few years
back and the transmission went out at about 130,000. Found out that
that was a bad design and they had extended the warrenty to 120,000
miles. As it was just slightly over that, Nissan would not repair it
for free and cost my son about $ 4000 to get it repaired.



I'd avoid a turbo too, apparently expensive to fix if there is a problem
and puts more stress on a small engine wearing it out.

Nissan's were good up to maybe early 2,000's when Renault joined them
and they started to go downhill.

Upon what do you base that assertion? How many, and what model,
Nissan vehicles have you driven?

My experience with Nissan (and Datsun) has been 100% positive with
no significant issues on three vehicles ('81 810 Maxima, '98 I30 and '12 M37).


You can look it up yourself.

In other words, you can't support your assertion. Noted.

I did a quick google and got lots of hits about Nissan's decline. I
don't care what you think, if you are capable of thinking.

I was surprised when I looked at a consumer reports article about the
worst cars and some Nissan was the worst.
I remember when Detroit was chasing them too.

Detroit was chasing everybody... I will leave it for discussion as to whether
the lesson was learned.

--
Tekkie