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On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:22:47 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:55:45 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 11:52:41 -0700, rbowman
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On 02/21/2021 02:31 AM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-02-20 at 10:47:24 MST, ""Rod Speed""
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We already know that there is **** all herd immunity in the
places stupid enough to just let the virus rip like Sweden.

Michael Osterholm, of the University of Minnesota's CIDRAP, has
pointed out
that rosy predictions about herd immunity were blown out of the water
by what
happened in prisons, where the virus didn't slow down until nearly
all the
prisoners had been infected.




otoh, the Marion facility in Ohio had around 2000 positive cases, most
of which were asymptomatic. I could never get hard figures on the
deaths
but despite having an aging prison population they were minimal. Had
the
cells been filled with dying prisoners the media would have been all
over it.
Since the US Covid survival rate is ~99.8%


IDK where you got that number. I see 500K dead, 28 mil cases,
that's 1.7%. Even if you account for some number of cases never
identified, I don't see any credible sources saying the death rate is
only 0.2%. Not here or anywhere.


It is based on a projection of the number of people who got
Covid, got better spontaneously and were never tested.


So a number straight from someone's arse.

I can't find the article right now but it was based
on positive antibody tests in people who never
presented at a doctor or went to a hospital.


Don't believe that with your 10:1 ratio.

I suppose Bowman's observation about the fatalities
or lack thereof at Marion tends to verify that.


Nope, the demographics and exposure there are totally different.
That's why the Marion data was such dramatic news, stupid.

Three or 4 dead inmates is not going to make the news. Forty would.


Pity about the demographics.


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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 11:52:41 -0700, rbowman
wrote:

On 02/21/2021 02:31 AM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-02-20 at 10:47:24 MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote:

We already know that there is **** all herd immunity in the
places stupid enough to just let the virus rip like Sweden.

Michael Osterholm, of the University of Minnesota's CIDRAP, has pointed out
that rosy predictions about herd immunity were blown out of the water by what
happened in prisons, where the virus didn't slow down until nearly all the
prisoners had been infected.




otoh, the Marion facility in Ohio had around 2000 positive cases, most
of which were asymptomatic. I could never get hard figures on the deaths
but despite having an aging prison population they were minimal. Had the
cells been filled with dying prisoners the media would have been all
over it.


Since the US Covid survival rate is ~99.8% that means if 4 people out
of 2000 inmates die, assuming almost every inmate at Marion at the
peak population (2033) was infected, they are duplicating the average
in America.
I doubt 4 inmates dying would make the news.
According to BJS.GOV the normal death rate in state and local prisons
is more than that anyway (0.25%)

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/msfp0116st.pdf

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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 21 Feb 2021 18:49:06 -0000 (UTC), Neill
Massello wrote:

On 2021-02-21 at 10:32:59 MST, "Muggles" wrote:

Herd immunity happens in an open environment where NOT all people
actually get infected.


Herd immunity happens in ANY environment — eventually. The question is how
many members of a herd must get infected (or vaccinated) before their immunity


or death

serves to protect the remaining members of the herd from infection. By
reducing the other variables such as distancing, the prison "experiment" shows
that the number for SARS-CoV-2 is MUCH higher than Makary's 55%.



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"Neill Massello" wrote in message
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On 2021-02-21 at 10:32:59 MST, "Muggles" wrote:

Herd immunity happens in an open environment where NOT all people
actually get infected.


Herd immunity happens in ANY environment — eventually.


No it does not. That isnt what happened with smallpox,
polio, typhoid or even measles now without vaccination.

The question is how many members of a herd must get infected (or
vaccinated) before their immunity serves to protect the remaining members
of the herd from infection. By reducing the other variables such as
distancing, the prison "experiment" shows that the number for SARS-CoV-2
is MUCH higher than Makary's 55%.


Yep. And even the places like sweden which just let
covid rip didn’t get anything like 50%, let alone the
80% you need for covid to no longer be a problem.



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