On 2/21/2021 11:24 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
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On 2/21/2021 3:31 AM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-02-20 at 10:47:24 MST, ""Rod Speed""
wrote:

We already know that there is **** all herd immunity in the
places stupid enough to just let the virus rip like Sweden.

Michael Osterholm, of the University of Minnesota's CIDRAP, has
pointed out
that rosy predictions about herd immunity were blown out of the water
by what
happened in prisons, where the virus didn't slow down until nearly
all the
prisoners had been infected.

A captive population is not a good sampling group for measuring any
sort of prediction.

That’s bull**** with the question of whether herd immunity works.

It is in fact the best group to use for measuring that.

Herd immunity happens in an open environment where NOT all people
actually get infected.

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Maggie

"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 2/21/2021 11:24 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
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On 2/21/2021 3:31 AM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-02-20 at 10:47:24 MST, ""Rod Speed""
wrote:

We already know that there is **** all herd immunity in the
places stupid enough to just let the virus rip like Sweden.

Michael Osterholm, of the University of Minnesota's CIDRAP, has pointed
out
that rosy predictions about herd immunity were blown out of the water
by what
happened in prisons, where the virus didn't slow down until nearly all
the
prisoners had been infected.

A captive population is not a good sampling group for measuring any sort
of prediction.

That’s bull**** with the question of whether herd immunity works.

It is in fact the best group to use for measuring that.

Herd immunity happens in an open environment

It actually happens in ANY environment.

On 02/20/2021 08:54 PM, Fred wrote:
Stupid fools cant even manage to work out the difference
between cause and effect and coincidence.

Everyone isn't as brilliant as you.

On 2021-02-21 at 10:32:59 MST, "Muggles" wrote:

Herd immunity happens in an open environment where NOT all people
actually get infected.

Herd immunity happens in ANY environment — eventually. The question is how
many members of a herd must get infected (or vaccinated) before their immunity
serves to protect the remaining members of the herd from infection. By
reducing the other variables such as distancing, the prison "experiment" shows
that the number for SARS-CoV-2 is MUCH higher than Makary's 55%.

On 02/21/2021 02:31 AM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-02-20 at 10:47:24 MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote:

We already know that there is **** all herd immunity in the
places stupid enough to just let the virus rip like Sweden.

Michael Osterholm, of the University of Minnesota's CIDRAP, has pointed out
that rosy predictions about herd immunity were blown out of the water by what
happened in prisons, where the virus didn't slow down until nearly all the
prisoners had been infected.




otoh, the Marion facility in Ohio had around 2000 positive cases, most
of which were asymptomatic. I could never get hard figures on the deaths
but despite having an aging prison population they were minimal. Had the
cells been filled with dying prisoners the media would have been all
over it.

On 2/21/2021 12:39 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
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On 2/21/2021 11:24 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
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On 2/21/2021 3:31 AM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-02-20 at 10:47:24 MST, ""Rod Speed""
wrote:

We already know that there is **** all herd immunity in the
places stupid enough to just let the virus rip like Sweden.

Michael Osterholm, of the University of Minnesota's CIDRAP, has
pointed out
that rosy predictions about herd immunity were blown out of the
water by what
happened in prisons, where the virus didn't slow down until nearly
all the
prisoners had been infected.

A captive population is not a good sampling group for measuring any
sort of prediction.

That’s bull**** with the question of whether herd immunity works.

It is in fact the best group to use for measuring that.

Herd immunity happens in an open environment

It actually happens in ANY environment.



Evidently, it doesn't.

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Maggie

On 2/21/2021 12:49 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-02-21 at 10:32:59 MST, "Muggles" wrote:

Herd immunity happens in an open environment where NOT all people
actually get infected.


Herd immunity happens in ANY environment — eventually. The question is how
many members of a herd must get infected (or vaccinated) before their immunity
serves to protect the remaining members of the herd from infection. By
reducing the other variables such as distancing, the prison "experiment" shows
that the number for SARS-CoV-2 is MUCH higher than Makary's 55%.


People can't seem to make up their minds. One person brings up the
prison where everyone was infected, then complains herd immunity doesn't
work, and someone else counters that argument and conclusion.


--
Maggie

On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 2:28:57 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/21/2021 12:49 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-02-21 at 10:32:59 MST, "Muggles" wrote:

Herd immunity happens in an open environment where NOT all people
actually get infected.


Herd immunity happens in ANY environment — eventually. The question is how
many members of a herd must get infected (or vaccinated) before their immunity
serves to protect the remaining members of the herd from infection. By
reducing the other variables such as distancing, the prison "experiment" shows
that the number for SARS-CoV-2 is MUCH higher than Makary's 55%.

People can't seem to make up their minds. One person brings up the
prison where everyone was infected, then complains herd immunity doesn't
work, and someone else counters that argument and conclusion.


--
Maggie

Unlike you, who has your mind all made up and won't ever change. Only
problem is that it's almost all wrong. Sometimes nature fixes that.
Ask Herman Cain.

"rbowman" wrote in message
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On 02/20/2021 08:54 PM, Fred wrote:
Stupid fools cant even manage to work out the difference
between cause and effect and coincidence.

Everyone isn't as brilliant as you.

Doesn’t take any brilliance to work that out, or to
notice that that was the time when the TB vaccine
was first available and mass xray screening for TB
started and that its much more likely that was the
reason for the big drop in TB deaths at that time.

"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 2/21/2021 12:39 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
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On 2/21/2021 11:24 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
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On 2/21/2021 3:31 AM, Neill Massello wrote:
On 2021-02-20 at 10:47:24 MST, ""Rod Speed""
wrote:

We already know that there is **** all herd immunity in the
places stupid enough to just let the virus rip like Sweden.

Michael Osterholm, of the University of Minnesota's CIDRAP, has
pointed out
that rosy predictions about herd immunity were blown out of the water
by what
happened in prisons, where the virus didn't slow down until nearly
all the
prisoners had been infected.

A captive population is not a good sampling group for measuring any
sort of prediction.

That’s bull**** with the question of whether herd immunity works.

It is in fact the best group to use for measuring that.

Herd immunity happens in an open environment

It actually happens in ANY environment.

Evidently, it doesn't.

Of course it does. You have to get something like 80% who have caught
the disease or who have been vaccinated to see it under control.