Max Demian wrote:

Only the woman can make the decision about abortion, but she is free
to talk to the man about it before and after the child is conceived.

What if the man will be expected to pay to raise a child which may not
be his?

It may be the result of adultery, or rape, and the mother might want to
keep it and the man not. Why should the man not have a say in this?


If the alleged father has doubts, he can get a paternity test.

--
Joel Crump

On 21/02/2021 13:26, Joel wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

Only the woman can make the decision about abortion, but she is free
to talk to the man about it before and after the child is conceived.

What if the man will be expected to pay to raise a child which may not
be his?

It may be the result of adultery, or rape, and the mother might want to
keep it and the man not. Why should the man not have a say in this?

If the alleged father has doubts, he can get a paternity test.

No he can't. He can't get a paternity test on an unborn child. And if he
can, he can't force his wife to abort.

--
Max Demian

Max Demian wrote:

Only the woman can make the decision about abortion, but she is free
to talk to the man about it before and after the child is conceived.

What if the man will be expected to pay to raise a child which may not
be his?

It may be the result of adultery, or rape, and the mother might want to
keep it and the man not. Why should the man not have a say in this?

If the alleged father has doubts, he can get a paternity test.

No he can't. He can't get a paternity test on an unborn child. And if he
can, he can't force his wife to abort.


Well, of course he can't force her to abort, but if the child isn't
his, he's under no obligation to support it. Personally, if my wife
were to bear a child conceived by rape, I would support whatever
decision she made with regard to giving the child up for adoption or
keeping it, but if it were the result of adultery, I'd probably want
to get a divorce, and let her and the other man deal with the child.
Different men would come to different conclusions in such
circumstances, and that's understandable, but when it comes to the
decision to have an abortion, I don't see how the man's opinion is
relevant unless the woman seeks it in making her decision.

--
Joel Crump

On 21/02/2021 00:56, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 00:32, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 23:53, Rod Speed wrote:


"Joel" wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" wrote:

The woman is allowed to take his opinion into
account, but it's ultimately her decision alone.

It isnt and shouldn't be, just like it isnt and
shouldn't be after the brat has been born.

Your position treats women as baby factories.

Mindless bull****. Both parents get a say on what
happens with children for some odd reason.


Only the woman can make the decision about abortion,

Wrong, as always. The state does too.

Do you live in China.

Nope.

That would explain your responses.

Nope, thats true in every modern first and second world country.

I don't know of any other state that decrees whether a women should be
subjected to an abortion.

That wasnt what was being discussed.

You replied to "Only the woman can make the decision about abortion"

with, "Wrong, as always. The state does too"

What was being discussed was when the woman
is ALLOWED to have an abortion, ****wit.

Thank you, so I wasn't wrong.

And since this **** is the best you can manage, here
goes the chain on the rest of your even sillier ****.

From someone in denial that most contraceptives have the fallback
position of discouraging implantation.

On 21/02/2021 00:28, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 23:49, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:54, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:25, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Fredxx wrote

snip

Yet, as per a link you provided, "Copper can also alter the
endometrial lining, but studies show that while this
alteration can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg".

But that isnt the primary mode of operation of IUDs.
They prevent fertilisation in the first place.

It's so good you approve their secondary purpose,

It isnt the secondary purpose.

Ok, nth purpose; where 'n' can be any number.

It isnt a purpose.

Are you in denial that copper on IUD reduces the probability of a
fertilised embryo implantation?

Nope.

So you finally accept it has the effect of discouraging implantation.

Thats not a PURPOSE, stupid.

Ok, then you accept copper in an IUD has the effect of discouraging
implantation

Nope, because it prevents fertilisation.

Well, we have the choice of accepting the word of a demented fanatic or
the words from NICE.

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg3...eview-proposal

Which says, "IUDs act by preventing fertilisation and inhibiting
implantation."

Please do take this up with National Institute for Health and Care
Excellence if you feel this is wrong.

There are many, many sources the same thing.

For the most common IUD:

https://www.uhcw.nhs.uk/download/cli...)%20(1078).pdf

"It keeps the lining of the womb too thin for implantation of a pregnancy".

It's an effective safety net after all the other methods have failed.
Even IUDs only provide 99% efficiency. Within one year 1% of users will
still fall pregnant.

I know you hate being proven wrong, but in this instance it's best to
admit defeat.

We have moved a long way!

Nope.

It seems we have.

Like I keep telling you, you need to get
your seems machinery seen to, BAD.

discouraging implantation.

On 21/02/2021 01:19, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 00:43, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:58, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:32, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote

snip

**** all abortions are after rape, so that is a classic bogus
argument.

Does this mean you approve of abortions in these rare occasions?

Nope.

So you are forcing a woman to 9 months of pregnancy, risky delivery

There is **** all risk with a delivery now.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...e-giving-birth


I guess you think 303,000 women dying each year in childbirth

Thats the 3rd world, ****wit.

reams of your **** flushed where it belongs

Perhaps it is specifically because of abortion in the UK and developed
countries there are fewer deaths.

We know thats not true because the childbirth risk is
just as low in the first and second world countrys that
dont allow abortion.

Feel free to cite the stats.

Many of those so afflicted simply travel to countries that do.

And since this mindless **** is the best you can manage,
here goes the chain on the rest of your even sillier ****.

At least I'm not the idiot who denies that IUDs discourage the
implantation of a fertilised egg.

On 21/02/2021 08:13, Snit wrote:
On Feb 20, 2021 at 9:09:33 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:



"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 3:58:38 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Does this mean you approve of abortions in these rare occasions?
Nope.

So you are forcing a woman to 9 months of pregnancy, risky delivery

There is **** all risk with a delivery now.

What would make you think this?!?!?

The medical stats. Radical concept I realise.

Ah, so you made it up out of ignorance. Got it.

I think the UK has 1 in 10,000 deaths for childbirth. Some countries
it's more than 1%.

I don't think Rod cares much about women and their welfare. In this
whole thread he exudes hatred to women.

On 20/02/2021 23:08, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:48, Rod Speed wrote:


"Joel" wrote in message
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Fredxx wrote:


snip

And if you have an "exception" to an abortion ban for
victims of rape, how will they prove rape was the cause of the
pregnancy?Â* The only solution is to keep abortion legal in general.

Back to common sense.

Your position is unclear.

It is not sexist for laws to be created from the opinion or both
men and
women. Have you not heard of suffrage? Anything else is the very
definition of sexism.


The woman is allowed to take his opinion into account, but it's
ultimately her decision alone.

It isnt and shouldn't be, just like it isnt and shouldn't be after the
brat has been born.

You must truly hate children.

Wrong, as always.

Just women then.

"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 9:08:31 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:



"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 3:48:27 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

It is not sexist for laws to be created from the opinion or both
men and
women. Have you not heard of suffrage? Anything else is the very
definition of sexism.
The woman is allowed to take his opinion into account, but it's
ultimately her decision alone.

It isnt and shouldn't be, just like it isnt and shouldn't be after the
brat has been born.

So you want to be able to make the choice for the woman.

Nope, for the father to have a say like she
does just like he does after its been born.

So it IS about controlling the woman.

Nope, for the father to have a say like she
does just like he does after its been born.

I am not for that.

You are irrelevant when you cant even get that right.

It is about controlling woman to you.

Nope.

Got it.

Nope, you never do.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 9:10:49 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:



"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 4:12:15 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Joel wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The woman is allowed to take his opinion into account, but it's
ultimately her decision alone.

It isnt and shouldn't be, just like it isnt and shouldn't be after
the brat has been born.

Your position treats women as baby factories.

Mindless bull****. Both parents get a say on what
happens with children for some odd reason.

But each person gets a say on what happens to their own body.

But the unborn child isnt just one individual's body, stupid.

The woman has one body, and SHE gets to decide what she does with it.

Not when she wants to murder the unborn child
when she was too stupid to use contraception.

Not as equal to men.

They arent equal if they are the only ones with any say on what
happens.

"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 9:09:33 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
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"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 3:58:38 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Does this mean you approve of abortions in these rare occasions?
Nope.

So you are forcing a woman to 9 months of pregnancy, risky delivery

There is **** all risk with a delivery now.

What would make you think this?!?!?

The medical stats. Radical concept I realise.

Ah, so you made it up out of ignorance.

Nope, thats what the medical stats say,

Got it.

Nope, you never do.

"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 9:13:05 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:



"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 4:05:58 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
:

"Rod Speed" wrote:

The woman is allowed to take his opinion into account, but it's
ultimately her decision alone.

It isnt and shouldn't be, just like it isnt and shouldn't be after
the
brat has been born.


Your position treats women as baby factories. Not as equal to men.

Right: it is about controlling women.

Nope, its actually about the father getting a say on what happens.

In controlling the woman's body.

Nope, getting a say on what happens with its child.

The very thing you just said it was NOT about.

Because that is accurate.

Make up your mind.

I havent changed my mind on that.

Not acceptable.

True of your bull**** and lies.

"Jimmy Stewart ..." wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 01:57, rbowman wrote:
On 02/20/2021 11:45 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I went to school with one, the twit had a fight with a telegraph pole.
But he didn't reach 20. Well he probably reached 20mph, but not 20
years old :-)

When my ex called me on my birthday last year the conversation turned to
'how did we get so old?' She's been a medical disaster all her life and
my involvement with booze, bikes, and hot cars back in the day didn't
make either of us likely candidates to see 50.

I got a little saner over the years but she's like the Energizer Bunny.

young people think they are immortal and it will never happen to them
....

Yeah, one silly bugger who I have know since he was a preschool kid
was texting me at 200Kmph. I did wonder why there were significant
delays in his texts and found that out later. That was before he was
even legal to drive. The bugger just told me yesterday that his license
is suspended again, when he got me to lend him $50 so he could eat.
Thats the second time in a few weeks, his parents that he lives with in
Sydney which I dont live in, are currently back where I live for a visit.
He's a bricky's labourer.

"Max Demian" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:53, Rod Speed wrote:
"Joel" wrote in message
...
Fredxx wrote:

It is not sexist for laws to be created from the opinion or both men
and
women. Have you not heard of suffrage? Anything else is the very
definition of sexism.

The woman is allowed to take his opinion into account, but it's
ultimately her decision alone.

I agree, but can we agree it's not sexist for parliament [1] stipulate
the terms of an abortion.

[1] where so it happens MPs are voted in by a majority of women (in the
electorate and likelihood of voting).


Only where it deals with restrictions on late term abortions, where
the baby may be viable - it's reasonable to prohibit elective
abortions in that period, but to protect the mother's health or life,
or in cases where the baby will be severely deformed at birth, it
should be allowed.

Why not after it is born ?

Good idea as it avoids procedures such as amniocentesis that may endanger
mother and foetus. See what comes out and decide whether we want it to
live.

Same with those with severe disabilitys like autism that
show up later in life. Lethal injection for them too, eh ?

The difference between a late abortion and infanticide is birth, which is
an event *in* life, not its start.

Both are still murder. For some odd reason we ban murder.

"Joel" wrote in message
...
Max Demian wrote:

Only the woman can make the decision about abortion, but she is free
to talk to the man about it before and after the child is conceived.

What if the man will be expected to pay to raise a child which may not
be his?

It may be the result of adultery, or rape, and the mother might want to
keep it and the man not. Why should the man not have a say in this?

If the alleged father has doubts, he can get a paternity test.

No he can't. He can't get a paternity test on an unborn child. And if he
can, he can't force his wife to abort.


Well, of course he can't force her to abort, but if the child isn't
his, he's under no obligation to support it. Personally, if my wife
were to bear a child conceived by rape, I would support whatever
decision she made with regard to giving the child up for adoption or
keeping it, but if it were the result of adultery, I'd probably want
to get a divorce, and let her and the other man deal with the child.
Different men would come to different conclusions in such
circumstances, and that's understandable, but when it comes to the
decision to have an abortion, I don't see how the man's opinion is
relevant unless the woman seeks it in making her decision.

More fool you.

On 21/02/2021 14:02, Joel wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

Only the woman can make the decision about abortion, but she is free
to talk to the man about it before and after the child is conceived.

What if the man will be expected to pay to raise a child which may not
be his?

It may be the result of adultery, or rape, and the mother might want to
keep it and the man not. Why should the man not have a say in this?

If the alleged father has doubts, he can get a paternity test.

No he can't. He can't get a paternity test on an unborn child. And if he
can, he can't force his wife to abort.

Well, of course he can't force her to abort, but if the child isn't
his, he's under no obligation to support it. Personally, if my wife
were to bear a child conceived by rape, I would support whatever
decision she made with regard to giving the child up for adoption or
keeping it, but if it were the result of adultery, I'd probably want
to get a divorce, and let her and the other man deal with the child.
Different men would come to different conclusions in such
circumstances, and that's understandable, but when it comes to the
decision to have an abortion, I don't see how the man's opinion is
relevant unless the woman seeks it in making her decision.

What if he still wants the woman for sex?

--
Max Demian

"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 00:56, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 00:32, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 23:53, Rod Speed wrote:


"Joel" wrote in message
...
"Rod Speed" wrote:

The woman is allowed to take his opinion into
account, but it's ultimately her decision alone.

It isnt and shouldn't be, just like it isnt and
shouldn't be after the brat has been born.

Your position treats women as baby factories.

Mindless bull****. Both parents get a say on what
happens with children for some odd reason.


Only the woman can make the decision about abortion,

Wrong, as always. The state does too.

Do you live in China.

Nope.

That would explain your responses.

Nope, thats true in every modern first and second world country.

I don't know of any other state that decrees whether a women should be
subjected to an abortion.

That wasnt what was being discussed.

You replied to "Only the woman can make the decision about abortion"

with, "Wrong, as always. The state does too"

And the state does make the decision that very
late term abortions are not allowed, ****wit.

What was being discussed was when the woman
is ALLOWED to have an abortion, ****wit.

Thank you, so I wasn't wrong.

Corse you were with your mindless bull**** about only
china having the state involved in the abortion decision.

reams of your mindless **** about contraception flushed where it belongs

"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 01:19, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 00:43, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:58, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:32, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote

snip

**** all abortions are after rape, so that is a classic bogus
argument.

Does this mean you approve of abortions in these rare occasions?

Nope.

So you are forcing a woman to 9 months of pregnancy, risky delivery

There is **** all risk with a delivery now.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...e-giving-birth

I guess you think 303,000 women dying each year in childbirth

Thats the 3rd world, ****wit.

reams of your **** flushed where it belongs

Perhaps it is specifically because of abortion in the UK and developed
countries there are fewer deaths.

We know thats not true because the childbirth risk is
just as low in the first and second world countrys that
dont allow abortion.

Feel free to cite the stats.

You are free to chase them up for yourself if you dont believe that.

Many of those so afflicted simply travel to countries that do.

Irrelevant to the risk of childbirth in those
countrys that dont allow abortion.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 08:13, Snit wrote:
On Feb 20, 2021 at 9:09:33 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:



"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 3:58:38 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Does this mean you approve of abortions in these rare
occasions?
Nope.

So you are forcing a woman to 9 months of pregnancy, risky
delivery

There is **** all risk with a delivery now.

What would make you think this?!?!?

The medical stats. Radical concept I realise.

Ah, so you made it up out of ignorance. Got it.

I think the UK has 1 in 10,000 deaths for childbirth. Some countries it's
more than 1%.

Not in the first world countrys that still ban abortion.

We arent discussing the 3rd world, ****wit.

I don't think

You did get that right, likely by accident.

Rod cares much about women and their welfare.

I actually care about murder, ****wit.

In this whole thread he exudes hatred to women.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 23:08, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 20/02/2021 22:48, Rod Speed wrote:


"Joel" wrote in message
...
Fredxx wrote:


snip

And if you have an "exception" to an abortion ban for
victims of rape, how will they prove rape was the cause of the
pregnancy? The only solution is to keep abortion legal in
general.

Back to common sense.

Your position is unclear.

It is not sexist for laws to be created from the opinion or both men
and
women. Have you not heard of suffrage? Anything else is the very
definition of sexism.


The woman is allowed to take his opinion into account, but it's
ultimately her decision alone.

It isnt and shouldn't be, just like it isnt and shouldn't be after the
brat has been born.

You must truly hate children.

In fact I hate them being murdered, ****wit.

Wrong, as always.

Just women then.

Wrong, as always.

"Joel" wrote in message
...
"Rod Speed" wrote:
"Joel" wrote in message
. ..
Max Demian wrote:

If the alleged father has doubts, he can get a paternity test.

No he can't. He can't get a paternity test on an unborn child. And if he
can, he can't force his wife to abort.

Well, of course he can't force her to abort, but if the child isn't
his, he's under no obligation to support it. Personally, if my wife
were to bear a child conceived by rape, I would support whatever
decision she made with regard to giving the child up for adoption or
keeping it, but if it were the result of adultery, I'd probably want
to get a divorce, and let her and the other man deal with the child.
Different men would come to different conclusions in such
circumstances, and that's understandable, but when it comes to the
decision to have an abortion, I don't see how the man's opinion is
relevant unless the woman seeks it in making her decision.

More fool you.

Unless and until you explain *why* you believe that,

I already did, repeatedly. No point in repeating it yet again.

reams of your troll**** flushed where it belongs

Max Demian wrote:

If the alleged father has doubts, he can get a paternity test.

No he can't. He can't get a paternity test on an unborn child. And if he
can, he can't force his wife to abort.

Well, of course he can't force her to abort, but if the child isn't
his, he's under no obligation to support it. Personally, if my wife
were to bear a child conceived by rape, I would support whatever
decision she made with regard to giving the child up for adoption or
keeping it, but if it were the result of adultery, I'd probably want
to get a divorce, and let her and the other man deal with the child.
Different men would come to different conclusions in such
circumstances, and that's understandable, but when it comes to the
decision to have an abortion, I don't see how the man's opinion is
relevant unless the woman seeks it in making her decision.

What if he still wants the woman for sex?


That's his business.

--
Joel Crump

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 11:19:08 +0000, Max Dumb, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


No; there is a singer called Angelica Hale who received a kidney from
her mother at age 4.

No, there's a filthy unwashed Scottish troll and attention whore (him) here
and his corresponding troll-feeding senile fool (you)!

On 2/20/2021 4:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
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On 2/20/2021 4:11 PM, Joel wrote:


The woman is allowed to take his opinion into account, but it's
ultimately her decision alone.


So, you believe the woman is justified in taking the life of an
innocent child because she wants to?


And we dont allow that with a guilty child either.

Cant imagine why for the life of me.


Women who abort their children justify killing their babies because they
"have a reason." Mostly, their reasoning is because they opt to not
take personal responsibility for their own actions. That reasoning is a
sad symptom of too many people, in general.

A lack of personal responsibility is never a good reason to kill
innocent babies, let alone a good reason for many disheartening
decisions people make.

--
Maggie

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 02:54:15 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

02:54??? ROTFLOL! And it's trolling time for you ALREADY, yet again, you
subnormal trolling senile swine and sociopath?

--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 15:02:24 +0000, Fredxx wrote:


I think the UK has 1 in 10,000 deaths for childbirth. Some countries
it's more than 1%.

I don't think Rod cares much about women and their welfare. In this
whole thread he exudes hatred to women.

Why the heck is anyone surprised? HE is an authentic SOCIOPATH! Will you
never get this into your senile heads?

On 2/20/2021 5:07 PM, Snit wrote:
On Feb 20, 2021 at 2:59:52 PM MST, "Fredxx" wrote

They are party to the formation of an embryo. Unless your name is Mary/

They STILL have no control over the woman's body.



The problem is that women who abort their children are not taking
responsibility for their own actions. Then they kill a living human
baby because they refuse to take responsibility for THEIR actions.

Murdering a baby is just not a reasonable response to a refusal to take
personal responsibility for having sex that results in conception.



--
Maggie

On 02/21/2021 02:36 AM, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
On 21/02/2021 09:01, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
On 21/02/2021 01:47, rbowman wrote:
On 02/20/2021 11:44 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 18:28:28 -0000, rbowman wrote:

On 02/20/2021 01:58 AM, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
On 19/02/2021 19:03, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
On 19/02/2021 18:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Scotland and Canada are (thinking of) changing to "opt out" for
organ
donation. Why? Why not just make it mandatory? You're dead, you
don't need those organs. Why waste the doctor's time on paperwork?
Why murder someone after your death who could have been saved by
your
body parts? And no I dont care if you have some crazy religion.

not just thinking

https://www.organdonationscotland.or...caAp6cEALw_wcB



speaking as someone who has the liver of a 20 odd year old boy
racer if
they don't want to live I do ......

Motorcycle riders are sometimes called organ donors but anybody
waiting
for my spare parts has had a hell of a long wait.

You know what ****es me off? A car in a legally unroadworthy state
cannot drive on the road without you getting in trouble, but it's still
10 times safer than a motorbike.

Would it ramp your ire up a notch if I told you in this state
motorcycles don't need insurance? That registration is a one time
affair? You buy the bike and register it and the plates are good for
as long as you own it. I think that went into effect in 2000 so that
last time I forked over money to the state for my '98 Harley was 21
years ago.
cool..just like my lecy scooter in the UK
Only you don't even have to register it....

They haven't figured out what to do with those here. I think the one
wheel electric skateboards are banned in the city but hoverboards and
other configurations are a grey area.. eBikes are banned on some of the
trails. Full sized electric motorcycles like the Zero are treated as
other motorcycles.

On 21/02/2021 16:43, Rod Speed wrote:


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On 21/02/2021 01:19, Rod Speed wrote:


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On 21/02/2021 00:43, Rod Speed wrote:


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On 20/02/2021 22:32, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote

snip

**** all abortions are after rape, so that is a classic bogus
argument.

Does this mean you approve of abortions in these rare occasions?

Nope.

So you are forcing a woman to 9 months of pregnancy, risky delivery

There is **** all risk with a delivery now.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...e-giving-birth


I guess you think 303,000 women dying each year in childbirth

Thats the 3rd world, ****wit.

reams of your **** flushed where it belongs

Perhaps it is specifically because of abortion in the UK and
developed countries there are fewer deaths.

We know thats not true because the childbirth risk is
just as low in the first and second world countrys that
dont allow abortion.

Feel free to cite the stats.

You are free to chase them up for yourself if you dont believe that.

You made the false claim.

Many of those so afflicted simply travel to countries that do.

Irrelevant to the risk of childbirth in those
countrys that dont allow abortion.

Not so. Only if you are anti-abortion and clutching onto strings.

On 21/02/2021 15:02, Fredxx wrote:
On 21/02/2021 08:13, Snit wrote:
On Feb 20, 2021 at 9:09:33 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
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"Snit" wrote in message
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Â* On Feb 20, 2021 at 3:58:38 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
Â* :

Â*Â*Â* Does this mean you approve of abortions in these rare
occasions?
Â*Â* Nope.

Â*Â*Â* So you are forcing a woman to 9 months of pregnancy, risky
delivery

Â* There is **** all risk with a delivery now.

Â* What would make you think this?!?!?

The medical stats. Radical concept I realise.

Ah, so you made it up out of ignorance. Got it.

I think the UK has 1 in 10,000 deaths for childbirth. Some countries
it's more than 1%.

My wife had three emergency C-sections - the effects of that are
permanent, with weakened muscles, loss of sensation, etc.. The second
time, she was in labour when her uterus ruptured. A few weeks later she
was within an hour of dying from septicemia from infections given to her
in theatre,

I don't think Rod cares much about women and their welfare. In this
whole thread he exudes hatred to women.

Any birth carries risk.

On 21/02/2021 16:46, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 08:13, Snit wrote:
On Feb 20, 2021 at 9:09:33 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
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"Snit" wrote in message
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Â* On Feb 20, 2021 at 3:58:38 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
Â* :

Â*Â*Â* Does this mean you approve of abortions in these rare
occasions?
Â*Â* Nope.

Â*Â*Â* So you are forcing a woman to 9 months of pregnancy, risky
delivery

Â* There is **** all risk with a delivery now.

Â* What would make you think this?!?!?

The medical stats. Radical concept I realise.

Ah, so you made it up out of ignorance. Got it.

I think the UK has 1 in 10,000 deaths for childbirth. Some countries
it's more than 1%.

Not in the first world countrys that still ban abortion.

We arent discussing the 3rd world, ****wit.

I thought we were discussing abortion ****wit. An abortion where the
mother is in trouble medically may well save her life in 1st world
countries.

I don't think

You did get that right, likely by accident.

Rod cares much about women and their welfare.

I actually care about murder, ****wit.

But not about women, ****wit.

In this whole thread he exudes hatred to women.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.

You ought to stop judging people by your own standards.

On 21/02/2021 03:59, Rod Speed wrote:


"Mario" wrote in message
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On 2/20/2021 12:00 PM, Rod Speed wrote:



Antiabortion people (not "pro-life", which is a self-serving slogan
and not a real policy) don't really care about women.Â* And I know, a
lot of them are women, but not ones who comprehend the idea of
equality.Â* A rape victim has every right to bear a child produced from
rape, if they so choose, but to deny them the choice to abort it is
unbelievably sexist.Â* As Mario said, a man will never have to face
that decision.Â* And if you have an "exception" to an abortion ban for
victims of rape, how will they prove rape was the cause of the
pregnancy?Â* The only solution is to keep abortion legal in general.


I surely don't condone abortion as a method of BC, but even when
many take precautions, it happens and of course, the rape issue.
Easier to keep it legal, then allow the complacent to argue point of
life.

Pity about all the deliberate murders that happen that way.

You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

Not an other lost argument?

On 02/21/2021 02:06 AM, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
On 21/02/2021 01:57, rbowman wrote:
On 02/20/2021 11:45 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I went to school with one, the twit had a fight with a telegraph pole.
But he didn't reach 20. Well he probably reached 20mph, but not 20
years old :-)

When my ex called me on my birthday last year the conversation turned
to 'how did we get so old?' She's been a medical disaster all her
life and my involvement with booze, bikes, and hot cars back in the
day didn't make either of us likely candidates to see 50.

I got a little saner over the years but she's like the Energizer Bunny.

young people think they are immortal and it will never happen to them ....

Sometimes you get lucky. I walked away from a totally destroyed Mustang
a Alfa Romeo, a Checker, and a Toyota with nothing more that a few
stitches after the Alfa incident. Italian cars have panache but they
aren't very sturdy.

I've done more damage to myself with pedal bikes than cars and
motorcycles. But the story ain't over yet...

On 21/02/2021 16:16, Rod Speed wrote:


"Max Demian" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:53, Rod Speed wrote:
"Joel" wrote in message
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Fredxx wrote:

It is not sexist for laws to be created from the opinion or both
men and
women. Have you not heard of suffrage? Anything else is the very
definition of sexism.

The woman is allowed to take his opinion into account, but it's
ultimately her decision alone.

I agree, but can we agree it's not sexist for parliament [1] stipulate
the terms of an abortion.

[1] where so it happens MPs are voted in by a majority of women (in
the
electorate and likelihood of voting).


Only where it deals with restrictions on late term abortions, where
the baby may be viable - it's reasonable to prohibit elective
abortions in that period, but to protect the mother's health or life,
or in cases where the baby will be severely deformed at birth, it
should be allowed.

Why not after it is born ?

Good idea as it avoids procedures such as amniocentesis that may
endanger mother and foetus. See what comes out and decide whether we
want it to live.

Same with those with severe disabilitys like autism that
show up later in life. Lethal injection for them too, eh ?

The difference between a late abortion and infanticide is birth, which
is an event *in* life, not its start.

Both are still murder. For some odd reason we ban murder.

the issue is that abortion is not murder, whereas infanticide is.
However hard you would wish that not to be the case.

It's only odd in your head.

On 21/02/2021 16:47, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 23:08, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:48, Rod Speed wrote:


"Joel" wrote in message
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Fredxx wrote:


snip

And if you have an "exception" to an abortion ban for
victims of rape, how will they prove rape was the cause of the
pregnancy?Â* The only solution is to keep abortion legal in
general.

Back to common sense.

Your position is unclear.

It is not sexist for laws to be created from the opinion or both
men and
women. Have you not heard of suffrage? Anything else is the very
definition of sexism.


The woman is allowed to take his opinion into account, but it's
ultimately her decision alone.

It isnt and shouldn't be, just like it isnt and shouldn't be after the
brat has been born.

You must truly hate children.

In fact I hate them being murdered, ****wit.

Likewise.

Wrong, as always.

Just women then.

Wrong, as always.

You seem to hate them sufficiently where you would like to remove the
choice between an abortion and saving a woman's life vs the alternative.

That's without the mental health aspects of carrying a baby after a rape
to full term.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 11:07:00 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


They haven't figured out what to do with those here. I think the one
wheel electric skateboards are banned in the city but hoverboards and
other configurations are a grey area.. eBikes are banned on some of the
trails. Full sized electric motorcycles like the Zero are treated as
other motorcycles.

You must be ever so happy to have gotten all this off your senile chest
again, senile blabbermouth! G

On 21/02/2021 16:40, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 00:56, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 00:32, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 23:53, Rod Speed wrote:


"Joel" wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" wrote:

The woman is allowed to take his opinion into
account, but it's ultimately her decision alone.

It isnt and shouldn't be, just like it isnt and
shouldn't be after the brat has been born.

Your position treats women as baby factories.

Mindless bull****. Both parents get a say on what
happens with children for some odd reason.


Only the woman can make the decision about abortion,

Wrong, as always. The state does too.

Do you live in China.

Nope.

That would explain your responses.

Nope, thats true in every modern first and second world country.

I don't know of any other state that decrees whether a women should
be subjected to an abortion.

That wasnt what was being discussed.

You replied to "Only the woman can make the decision about abortion"

with, "Wrong, as always. The state does too"

And the state does make the decision that very
late term abortions are not allowed, ****wit.

So not "wrong".

What was being discussed was when the woman
is ALLOWED to have an abortion, ****wit.

Thank you, so I wasn't wrong.

Corse you were with your mindless bull**** about only
china having the state involved in the abortion decision.

reams of your mindless **** about contraception flushed where it belongs

Evidence of a another lost argument.

On 02/21/2021 02:04 AM, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
most sill boys write off a car in their first year of driving I know I
did at 17 in 1970 ...... made me a better driver though

It took my a lot longer than that but it wasn't from lack of trying. One
time after leaving the road going backwards my friend rolled down the
window and hung his hat on the adjacent power pole. Two feet the other
way and it wouldn't have been an amusing story.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 16:43, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 01:19, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 00:43, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:58, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2021 22:32, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote

snip

**** all abortions are after rape, so that is a classic bogus
argument.

Does this mean you approve of abortions in these rare occasions?

Nope.

So you are forcing a woman to 9 months of pregnancy, risky
delivery

There is **** all risk with a delivery now.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...e-giving-birth

I guess you think 303,000 women dying each year in childbirth

Thats the 3rd world, ****wit.

reams of your **** flushed where it belongs

Perhaps it is specifically because of abortion in the UK and developed
countries there are fewer deaths.

We know thats not true because the childbirth risk is
just as low in the first and second world countrys that
dont allow abortion.

Feel free to cite the stats.

You are free to chase them up for yourself if you dont believe that.

You made the false claim.

It isnt a false claim, its a fact. Compare the UK and Eire, ****wit.

reams of your even sillier **** flushed where it belongs

"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 16:46, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 21/02/2021 08:13, Snit wrote:
On Feb 20, 2021 at 9:09:33 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:



"Snit" wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 2021 at 3:58:38 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Does this mean you approve of abortions in these rare
occasions?
Nope.

So you are forcing a woman to 9 months of pregnancy, risky
delivery

There is **** all risk with a delivery now.

What would make you think this?!?!?

The medical stats. Radical concept I realise.

Ah, so you made it up out of ignorance. Got it.

I think the UK has 1 in 10,000 deaths for childbirth. Some countries
it's more than 1%.

Not in the first world countrys that still ban abortion.

We arent discussing the 3rd world, ****wit.

I thought we were discussing abortion

Not in the 3rd world, ****wit.

And since this **** is the best you can manage, here goes
the chain on your even more flagrantly dishonest ****.