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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse
that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:
On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians. IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a RealityBomb...
On 1/26/2021 1:49 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote: On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians. IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down. Convoluted logic. nice try. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
Frank writes:
On 1/26/2021 1:49 PM, Jim Joyce wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote: On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians. IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down. Convoluted logic. nice try. Because _you_ can't follow the logic doesn't make the logic convoluted. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...us-environment https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/lo...974e7bb33.html "\u201cIt is rare that a promise to our people is kept by the United States,\u201d Harold Frazier, chairman of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, said in a news release about Biden keeping his campaign process to shut down the pipeline. Oscar High Elk, who is part of a small protest camp near Philip, said he now wants to see all infrastructure, including a nearby work camp and pump station, removed so the land can be restored. \u201cThe camp will remain until we confirm all KXL construction sites have been shut down and the pipes removed,\u201d he told the Journal. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ne/6659608002/ Montana tribal members, fearing water contamination, relieved as Keystone XL pipeline blocked |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a RealityBomb...
On 1/26/2021 2:15 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/26/2021 1:49 PM, Jim Joyce wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote: On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians. IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down. Convoluted logic. nice try. Different Indians? They sure protested the Dakota pipeline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota...eline_protests Not happy about the Keystone either https://www.narf.org/cases/keystone/ In their permit application, TransCanada agreed to abide by tribal laws and regulation, which they have failed to do. https://tinyurl.com/y6czqgh5 The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its 2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit against the federal government. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote:
On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. That sounds like it's correct. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security. And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On 1/26/2021 2:37 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Frank writes: On 1/26/2021 1:49 PM, Jim Joyce wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote: On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians. IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down. Convoluted logic. nice try. Because _you_ can't follow the logic doesn't make the logic convoluted. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...us-environment https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/lo...974e7bb33.html "\u201cIt is rare that a promise to our people is kept by the United States,\u201d Harold Frazier, chairman of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, said in a news release about Biden keeping his campaign process to shut down the pipeline. Oscar High Elk, who is part of a small protest camp near Philip, said he now wants to see all infrastructure, including a nearby work camp and pump station, removed so the land can be restored. \u201cThe camp will remain until we confirm all KXL construction sites have been shut down and the pipes removed,\u201d he told the Journal. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ne/6659608002/ Montana tribal members, fearing water contamination, relieved as Keystone XL pipeline blocked I call that Indian shopping. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. That sounds like it's correct. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security. And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy. Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a RealityBomb...
On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its 2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit against the federal government. The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and Indians. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a RealityBomb...
On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its 2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit against the federal government. The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and Indians. Could be. I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not as I've not followed it much at all. Seems good for lawyers though. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a RealityBomb...
On 01/26/2021 08:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote: On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its 2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit against the federal government. The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and Indians. Could be. I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not as I've not followed it much at all. Seems good for lawyers though. At the moment, probably not. Oil is down and the Alberta tar sands production is one of the more pricey techniques. If the economy isn't permanently in the tank and a new mid-East fiasco starts, a North American supply of oil would be good. Even if Biden hadn't revoked the permit they were talking 2023 before it was operational so it isn't exactly a overnight undertaking. Alberta and the Bank of Montreal are in hock and Trudeau is in favor of the project so the Canadians are not happy. The pipe layers aren't happy. While Alberta crude would be the major item, the location is also handy for the Williston Basin production that would be fed into it. Cynically, the Indians are looking for something. I can't blame them since Fort Peck is about as poor as it gets. It's also 10 miles beyond the middle of nowhere so it's not about to become a casino resort. The anti-XL people have jumped on everything including covid as a reason not to do it. The pro people have a shaky economic argument and a goal of energy independence. Whether it's a good thing for Biden to spend political capital on, I don't know, throwing a fish to the greens and ****ing off the unions. Suspending oil leases is also going to screw New Mexico. Then there is the $15 minimum wage -- FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. hope the baristas didn't get their hopes up. Maybe the local GS-4 workers will tip a little better. The low rung GS-5's will get a massive 25 cent an hour raise. The GS-1 and GS-2 grades will do okay but considering a GS-1 doesn't even need a GED we're talking the janitors and so forth. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On 1/26/2021 7:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote: On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its 2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit against the federal government. The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and Indians. Could be.Â* I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not as I've not followed it much at all.Â* Seems good for lawyers though. If you want to encourage using the dirtiest oil source available, the pipeline is great, in a trump kind of way. At least, if we refine it, we get to figure out what to do with the unusable waste poisons. |
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lowbrowwoman, the Endlessly Driveling Senile Gossip
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 19:41:29 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and Indians. It's ALWAYS time to gossip for you though. |
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lowbrowwoman, the Endlessly Driveling Senile Gossip
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 23:02:52 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: Could be. I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not as I've not followed it much at all. Seems good for lawyers though. At the moment, probably not. Oil is down and the Alberta tar sands... Oh, no! See my previous post! FLUSH |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:09:03 PM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. That sounds like it's correct. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security. And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy. Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast. Like the same environmental extremists are going to be OK with that? They don't want that oil used period. And what fools are going to try to attempt that, put billions into it, have it half built only to have a dope like Biden pull the rug out from under them again? |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:04:33 AM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 1/26/2021 7:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote: On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its 2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit against the federal government. The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and Indians. Could be. I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not as I've not followed it much at all. Seems good for lawyers though. If you want to encourage using the dirtiest oil source available, the pipeline is great, in a trump kind of way. At least, if we refine it, we get to figure out what to do with the unusable waste poisons. That oil is going to be used with or without the USA. The only question is if you want American jobs, revenue for America and a safe, secure source of oil if the US someday needs it in an emergency. In the middle of an economic crisis, Biden just stood with AOC and the crazies and against American workers and business. People are losing their jobs right now as a result. The Democrats answer is another govt handout. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a RealityBomb...
On 1/27/2021 4:53 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:09:03 PM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. That sounds like it's correct. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security. And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy. Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast. Like the same environmental extremists are going to be OK with that? They don't want that oil used period. And what fools are going to try to attempt that, put billions into it, have it half built only to have a dope like Biden pull the rug out from under them again? Fools like Joyce. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a RealityBomb...
On 1/27/2021 1:02 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/26/2021 08:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote: On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its 2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit against the federal government. The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and Indians. Could be.Â* I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not as I've not followed it much at all.Â* Seems good for lawyers though. At the moment, probably not. Oil is down and the Alberta tar sands production is one of the more pricey techniques. If the economy isn't permanently in the tank and a new mid-East fiasco starts, a North American supply of oil would be good. Even if Biden hadn't revoked the permit they were talking 2023 before it was operational so it isn't exactly a overnight undertaking. Alberta and the Bank of Montreal are in hock and Trudeau is in favor of the project so the Canadians are not happy. The pipe layers aren't happy. While Alberta crude would be the major item, the location is also handy for the Williston Basin production that would be fed into it. Cynically, the Indians are looking for something. I can't blame them since Fort Peck is about as poor as it gets. It's also 10 miles beyond the middle of nowhere so it's not about to become a casino resort. The anti-XL people have jumped on everything including covid as a reason not to do it. The pro people have a shaky economic argument and a goal of energy independence. Whether it's a good thing for Biden to spend political capital on, I don't know, throwing a fish to the greens and ****ing off the unions. Suspending oil leases is also going to screw New Mexico. Then there is the $15 minimum wage -- FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. hope the baristas didn't get their hopes up. Maybe the local GS-4 workers will tip a little better. The low rung GS-5's will get a massive 25 cent an hour raise. The GS-1 and GS-2 grades will do okay but considering a GS-1 doesn't even need a GED we're talking the janitors and so forth. Looks like it is not going to be cheap crude but is sure is nice to have crude if needed in the future. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 04:53:29 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:09:03 PM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. That sounds like it's correct. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security. And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy. Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast. Like the same environmental extremists are going to be OK with that? Why not? Their complaint is with the pipeline and its risks to the environment. Remove the pipeline from the equation and they'll have to find something else to complain about. They don't want that oil used period. And what fools are going to try to attempt that, put billions into it, have it half built only to have a dope like Biden pull the rug out from under them again? I'm not sure what that means. Have it half built? Dope like Biden? Pull the rug out? Again? The refineries that I mentioned already exist and you don't need a pipeline to bring Canadian crude to them. Or if you do need a pipeline, it could be a thousand miles shorter and not cross under the major drinking water supplies. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 22:04:25 -0800, Bob F posted for all of us to digest... If you want to encourage using the dirtiest oil source available, the pipeline is great, in a trump kind of way. At least, if we refine it, we get to figure out what to do with the unusable waste poisons. Like they haven't been safely refining the unusable waste poisons for decades? What exactly are the unusable waste poisons; name them. Now back to a.h.r! -- Tekkie |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a RealityBomb...
On 1/27/2021 7:53 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:09:03 PM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. That sounds like it's correct. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security. And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy. Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast. Like the same environmental extremists are going to be OK with that? They don't want that oil used period. And what fools are going to try to attempt that, put billions into it, have it half built only to have a dope like Biden pull the rug out from under them again? Everyone has an opinion, often biased. How much of this do you think is true? https://www.labor4sustainability.org...r-the-economy/ Organized labor is right to demand that public policy pay attention to our desperate need for jobs. But the Keystone XL pipeline will only make our jobs crisis worse by making our climate crisis worse. Plus, there are lots of pipelines that need fixing. Construction workers can be put to work rebuilding our crumbling natural gas transmission pipeline system €” this will create good union jobs and cut carbon emissions. And these same workers can rebuild our crumbling water infrastructure. If labor is going to fight for jobs, lets fight for jobs that build the future we want for ourselves and our children, not ones that will destroy that future. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:49:04 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:30 -0500, Frank "frank wrote: On 1/26/2021 5:01 PM, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. Not only has he ****ed off the unions but also Indian tribes producing oil on public land that is under their control and Canadians. IDK about the unions since I haven't seen anything on that, but the tribes were out there protesting, for months if not years, so it's hard to imagine they'd be anything but happy to see things being shut down. Different indians. The ones protesting were not the ones who owned the oil fields. They own the land the pipe goes through and they are not getting a royalty on each barrel. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. That sounds like it's correct. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security. And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy. \ Warren Buffett is happy. His railroad will continue to transport the oil. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 23:02:52 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 01/26/2021 08:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote: On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its 2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit against the federal government. The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and Indians. Could be. I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not as I've not followed it much at all. Seems good for lawyers though. At the moment, probably not. Oil is down and the Alberta tar sands production is one of the more pricey techniques. If the economy isn't permanently in the tank and a new mid-East fiasco starts, a North American supply of oil would be good. Even if Biden hadn't revoked the permit they were talking 2023 before it was operational so it isn't exactly a overnight undertaking. Alberta and the Bank of Montreal are in hock and Trudeau is in favor of the project so the Canadians are not happy. The pipe layers aren't happy. While Alberta crude would be the major item, the location is also handy for the Williston Basin production that would be fed into it. Cynically, the Indians are looking for something. I can't blame them since Fort Peck is about as poor as it gets. It's also 10 miles beyond the middle of nowhere so it's not about to become a casino resort. The anti-XL people have jumped on everything including covid as a reason not to do it. The pro people have a shaky economic argument and a goal of energy independence. Whether it's a good thing for Biden to spend political capital on, I don't know, throwing a fish to the greens and ****ing off the unions. Suspending oil leases is also going to screw New Mexico. Then there is the $15 minimum wage -- FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. hope the baristas didn't get their hopes up. Maybe the local GS-4 workers will tip a little better. The low rung GS-5's will get a massive 25 cent an hour raise. The GS-1 and GS-2 grades will do okay but considering a GS-1 doesn't even need a GED we're talking the janitors and so forth. I have never seen a GS-1 and I worked around USCS workers all my life. The girl I know who retired a 14, started as a 2 carrying budget reports from the print shop to the people upstairs. Within a year and a half she was a 5 pretty much doing the same thing but she had to sort them first. Then she became a federal agent (cop). Things came fast after that. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:53:42 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/27/2021 1:02 AM, rbowman wrote: On 01/26/2021 08:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 1/26/2021 9:41 PM, rbowman wrote: On 01/26/2021 12:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: The circumstances for indigenous pipeline opponents along Montanas Hi-Line are similar to those of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in its 2016 objection to the construction of Dakota Access Pipeline. In both cases, the pipelines avoid tribal land, but intersect with the tribes drinking water source. There are concerns about culturally important sites and whether the tribes were adequately consulted. Treaty rights pertaining to the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes cultural relationship with the Missouri River, as well as a guarantee to Missouri River water supporting the reservation are key concerns in a Fort Peck lawsuit against the federal government. The Fort Peck rez has 11,000 enrolled members. Time to play cowboys and Indians. Could be.Â* I honestly don't know if the pipeline is a good idea or not as I've not followed it much at all.Â* Seems good for lawyers though. At the moment, probably not. Oil is down and the Alberta tar sands production is one of the more pricey techniques. If the economy isn't permanently in the tank and a new mid-East fiasco starts, a North American supply of oil would be good. Even if Biden hadn't revoked the permit they were talking 2023 before it was operational so it isn't exactly a overnight undertaking. Alberta and the Bank of Montreal are in hock and Trudeau is in favor of the project so the Canadians are not happy. The pipe layers aren't happy. While Alberta crude would be the major item, the location is also handy for the Williston Basin production that would be fed into it. Cynically, the Indians are looking for something. I can't blame them since Fort Peck is about as poor as it gets. It's also 10 miles beyond the middle of nowhere so it's not about to become a casino resort. The anti-XL people have jumped on everything including covid as a reason not to do it. The pro people have a shaky economic argument and a goal of energy independence. Whether it's a good thing for Biden to spend political capital on, I don't know, throwing a fish to the greens and ****ing off the unions. Suspending oil leases is also going to screw New Mexico. Then there is the $15 minimum wage -- FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. hope the baristas didn't get their hopes up. Maybe the local GS-4 workers will tip a little better. The low rung GS-5's will get a massive 25 cent an hour raise. The GS-1 and GS-2 grades will do okay but considering a GS-1 doesn't even need a GED we're talking the janitors and so forth. Looks like it is not going to be cheap crude but is sure is nice to have crude if needed in the future. I suppose the devil's advocate would say that oil isn't going anywhere. If we don't use it now, it will be there when we need it later but Canada says they need the money now. |
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OT: Newly Unemployed Keystone XL Pipeline Worker Drops a Reality Bomb...
"Heywood" wrote in message ... On 1/27/2021 7:53 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:09:03 PM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:58 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-5, Art60430 wrote: On day one, Joe Biden signed an executive order to halt the construction of the pipeline meant to bring Candian crude oil safely and swiftly into the United States. Democrats gave the excuse that the project was being halted due to its adding to the climate crisis but there is still no evidence that the risk of leaks outweighs the damage done and oil lost during transportation. Just a point, but the climate change angle has nothing to do with leaks. On top of that, studies show that the pipeline actually helped improve the environment by reducing CO2 costs in transporting the oil from Canada to Texas. That sounds like it's correct. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2...tigieg-n316699 The democrats just fusked the workin' man...yet again. I agree, it's the stupidest thing Biden has done so far. When Trump was screwing Canada with tariffs, the Democrats were screaming bloody murder. Biden just screwed Canada and American workers and it's all A-OK. That oil in Canada will continue to be developed and used, regardless of what the US does. And the US having a source that is friendly and here would also add to our national security. And what kind of message does this send about America being a place that is safe and secure to invest and do business in? Investors just lost billions, screwed by Biden. Biden chose to make the radicals happy. Washington state, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all have existing refineries. Maybe they could work something out so that the crude could be processed up there instead of sending it to Oklahoma and the Gulf coast. Like the same environmental extremists are going to be OK with that? They don't want that oil used period. And what fools are going to try to attempt that, put billions into it, have it half built only to have a dope like Biden pull the rug out from under them again? Everyone has an opinion, often biased. How much of this do you think is true? https://www.labor4sustainability.org...r-the-economy/ Organized labor is right to demand that public policy pay attention to our desperate need for jobs. But the Keystone XL pipeline will only make our jobs crisis worse by making our climate crisis worse. You dont know that it will make the alleged climate crisis worse, and even if it does, you dont know that will make the alleged jobs crisis worse either. If the climate 'crisis' does get worse, that could well provide more jobs to do something about that. Plus, there are lots of pipelines that need fixing. Bull****. Construction workers can be put to work rebuilding our crumbling natural gas transmission pipeline system More bull**** with that last. €” this will create good union jobs and cut carbon emissions. More bull****. And these same workers can rebuild our crumbling water infrastructure. More bull**** with that last. If labor is going to fight for jobs, lets fight for jobs that build the future we want for ourselves and our children, Thats what that pipeline does. not ones that will destroy that future. More mindless bull****. |
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