On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.Â* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.Â* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.Â* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.Â* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

On 1/13/2021 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.Â* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.Â* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


Those violent insurrectionists were really close to breaking in, with
Representatives still just inside. The shot stopped them. It gave them
time to evacuate. I don't think the officer will have any problems about it.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 15:37:36 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/13/2021 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.Â* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.Â* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


Those violent insurrectionists were really close to breaking in, with
Representatives still just inside. The shot stopped them. It gave them
time to evacuate. I don't think the officer will have any problems about it.

Nice spin. Do you have any proof that is actually what happened?

The cops still have to show a threat of imminent bodily harm. That
must have really been a scary looking woman for him to pick her out of
the crowd to be the one who needed killing.

If you are saying we are changing the rules of engagement and the cops
are allowed to shoot anyone breaching a barrier, so be it but let's be
consistent. Maybe the violence in our cities this summer might have
been quelled if the cops shot a few of them early in the riot.

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 15:37:36 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/13/2021 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside
help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior
to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely
inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops. They're controlled
by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees. That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters
on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi
using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump
supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump
on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme
head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're
willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


Those violent insurrectionists were really close to breaking in, with
Representatives still just inside. The shot stopped them. It gave them
time to evacuate. I don't think the officer will have any problems about
it.

Nice spin. Do you have any proof that is actually what happened?

The cops still have to show a threat of imminent bodily harm.

Its not that black and white in that situation.

That must have really been a scary looking woman for him to
pick her out of the crowd to be the one who needed killing.

If you are saying we are changing the rules of engagement

Its never been as black and white as you claim.

and the cops are allowed to shoot anyone breaching
a barrier, so be it but let's be consistent.

It isnt even possible in that sort of situation.

Maybe the violence in our cities this
summer might have been quelled if the
cops shot a few of them early in the riot.

Lets not forget the use of machine
guns in labor union strikes etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_Mine_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nited_St ates

And Kent State.

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On 1/14/2021 5:07 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 15:37:36 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/13/2021 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.Â* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.Â* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


Those violent insurrectionists were really close to breaking in, with
Representatives still just inside. The shot stopped them. It gave them
time to evacuate. I don't think the officer will have any problems about it.

Nice spin. Do you have any proof that is actually what happened?

The cops still have to show a threat of imminent bodily harm. That
must have really been a scary looking woman for him to pick her out of
the crowd to be the one who needed killing.

If you are saying we are changing the rules of engagement and the cops
are allowed to shoot anyone breaching a barrier, so be it but let's be
consistent. Maybe the violence in our cities this summer might have
been quelled if the cops shot a few of them early in the riot.


Watched the video, and heard testimony for Representatives who were feet
away.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 15:32:20 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.

Yes, I saw that you said that. I can't reply to every stupid thing you say.
You wear me down with the sheer volume.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.Â* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.Â* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors committing minor crimes like
trespassing?
OK by me but let's be consistent.
If the cops had shot a few in Portland and made mass arrests, that
mess would have been over in hours.

I do disagree about being outgunned tho. The cops have a lot more guns
than the handful picked up with weapons.

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside
help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups
prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is
completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops. They're controlled
by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees. That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters
on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira
Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump
supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump
on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training,
extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you
had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're
willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors
committing minor crimes like trespassing?

They were doing much more than just trespassing.

OK by me but let's be consistent.

Not feasible in that situation.

If the cops had shot a few in Portland and made mass
arrests, that mess would have been over in hours.

It wasnt in Kent State.

I do disagree about being outgunned tho. The cops have a
lot more guns than the handful picked up with weapons.

Irrelevant.

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 20:19:20 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors committing minor crimes like
trespassing?

I thought we were talking about an insurrection, an armed attempted coup.
Have you seen any of the video? No, you haven't, because you proudly tell
us that you haven't watched the news in quite a long period of time. With
that in mind, I'm not sure why you feel it's important to share your
opinion.


OK by me but let's be consistent.
If the cops had shot a few in Portland and made mass arrests, that
mess would have been over in hours.

I do disagree about being outgunned tho. The cops have a lot more guns
than the handful picked up with weapons.

"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 20:19:20 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman
wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol
Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside
help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups
prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is
completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops. They're
controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees. That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the
protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira
Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump
supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump
on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training,
extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you
had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're
willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into
custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors committing minor crimes like
trespassing?

I thought we were talking about an insurrection,

Nope, just a riot that got completely out of
hand when they got into the building so easily.

an armed attempted coup.

Nope, just a riot that got completely out of
hand when they got into the building so easily.

Have you seen any of the video?

Yep.

No, you haven't, because you proudly tell us that
you haven't watched the news in quite a long period
of time. With that in mind, I'm not sure why you
feel it's important to share your opinion.

OK by me but let's be consistent.
If the cops had shot a few in Portland and made mass arrests, that
mess would have been over in hours.

I do disagree about being outgunned tho. The cops have a lot more guns
than the handful picked up with weapons.

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On 1/15/2021 3:14 AM, Fred wrote:


"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 20:19:20 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman
wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol
Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of
outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/



Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups
prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is
completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.Â* They're
controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.Â* That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB



Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the
protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira
Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken
Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a
bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose
and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training,
extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above,
you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now
you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent
threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though.Â* She does not have the influence of
George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon.
Even
that will be a tough call.Â* I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into
custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors committing minor crimes like
trespassing?

I thought we were talking about an insurrection,

Nope, just a riot that got completely out of
hand when they got into the building so easily.

an armed attempted coup.

Nope, just a riot that got completely out of
hand when they got into the building so easily.

As more comes out, seems insurrection is likely. The guy with the bands
seemed intent to capture and possibly try and execute. Too soon for
conclusions

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 1/15/2021 3:14 AM, Fred wrote:


"Jim Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 20:19:20 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman
wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol
Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of
outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups
prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is
completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops. They're
controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees. That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were
being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the
protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira
Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump
supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a
bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose
and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical
function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training,
extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you
had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're
willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat
to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of
George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon.
Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more
video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into
custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being
out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors committing minor crimes like
trespassing?

I thought we were talking about an insurrection,

Nope, just a riot that got completely out of
hand when they got into the building so easily.

an armed attempted coup.

Nope, just a riot that got completely out of
hand when they got into the building so easily.

As more comes out, seems insurrection is likely.

Thats bull****. Its just you lot getting hysterical.

There wont be a civil war either.

The guy with the bands seemed intent to capture

Yes but there is no way that would have happened.

and possibly try and execute.

Just another hysterical fantasy.

Too soon for conclusions

Nope, you watch.

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 03:38:35 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 12:45:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside
help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups
prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is
completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops. They're controlled
by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees. That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters
on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira
Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump
supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump
on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training,
extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you
had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're
willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors
committing minor crimes like trespassing?

They were doing much more than just trespassing.

Not Ashli Babbitt. She was just climbing through a window. No weapons
and there is no indication she is the one who broke the window.

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 23:46:12 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 20:19:20 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.Â* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.Â* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors committing minor crimes like
trespassing?

I thought we were talking about an insurrection, an armed attempted coup.
Have you seen any of the video? No, you haven't, because you proudly tell
us that you haven't watched the news in quite a long period of time. With
that in mind, I'm not sure why you feel it's important to share your
opinion.
Compared to most "peaceful protests" this summer it looks pretty tame
to me.
Our news was recounting 6 times the Fla state government buildings
were breached by protestors in the last few decades. None were called
insurrection. It was just called a peaceful protest with a few bad
apples.
It is ironic they were protesting the death penalty for mass murderers
and you support the death penalty for trespassers. No trial, no
appeal, just shoot them.

On 1/15/2021 7:41 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 12:45:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside
help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups
prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is
completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops. They're controlled
by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees. That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters
on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira
Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump
supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump
on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training,
extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you
had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're
willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors
committing minor crimes like trespassing?

They were doing much more than just trespassing.

Not Ashli Babbitt. She was just climbing through a window. No weapons
and there is no indication she is the one who broke the window.


She was trying to enter a room feet from Representatives inside it. The
one she caused the murderous mob to back off, allowing the Reps to be
evacuated. Law and order!

On 1/15/2021 7:46 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 23:46:12 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 20:19:20 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.Â* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.Â* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors committing minor crimes like
trespassing?

I thought we were talking about an insurrection, an armed attempted coup.
Have you seen any of the video? No, you haven't, because you proudly tell
us that you haven't watched the news in quite a long period of time. With
that in mind, I'm not sure why you feel it's important to share your
opinion.
Compared to most "peaceful protests" this summer it looks pretty tame
to me.

"Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence,
Hang Mike Pence, "

It is ironic they were protesting the death penalty for mass murderers
and you support the death penalty for trespassers. No trial, no
appeal, just shoot them.


"Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence,
Hang Mike Pence, "

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 12:45:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman
wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol
Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside
help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups
prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is
completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops. They're
controlled
by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees. That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the
protesters
on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira
Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump
supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a
bump
on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose
and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training,
extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you
had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're
willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat
to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon.
Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into
custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors
committing minor crimes like trespassing?

They were doing much more than just trespassing.

Not Ashli Babbitt. She was just climbing through a window.

Its what she was intending to do once inside that matters and the
cops inside telling them to stop trying to get in thru the window.

You are in fact free to shoot someone who keeps trying to enter your
house when you are stopping them from doing that in many US states.

No weapons and there is no indication she is the one who broke the window.

Irrelevant.

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 16:02:22 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH more the trolling senile cretin's latest troll**** unread

--
Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
"**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
MID:

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:14:16 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/15/2021 7:41 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 12:45:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside
help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups
prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is
completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops. They're controlled
by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees. That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters
on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira
Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump
supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump
on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training,
extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you
had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're
willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors
committing minor crimes like trespassing?

They were doing much more than just trespassing.

Not Ashli Babbitt. She was just climbing through a window. No weapons
and there is no indication she is the one who broke the window.


She was trying to enter a room feet from Representatives inside it. The
one she caused the murderous mob to back off, allowing the Reps to be
evacuated. Law and order!

Nice tag line even if it is nowhere near being true.
BTW have you seen, the FBI is backing off of the story that there were
hit squads or kidnappers in the crowd. It was just bull**** made up by
the media.

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:15:43 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/15/2021 7:46 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 23:46:12 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 20:19:20 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops.Â* They're controlled by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees.Â* That's a cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the protesters on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a bump on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training, extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon. Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors committing minor crimes like
trespassing?

I thought we were talking about an insurrection, an armed attempted coup.
Have you seen any of the video? No, you haven't, because you proudly tell
us that you haven't watched the news in quite a long period of time. With
that in mind, I'm not sure why you feel it's important to share your
opinion.
Compared to most "peaceful protests" this summer it looks pretty tame
to me.

"Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence,
Hang Mike Pence, "

It is ironic they were protesting the death penalty for mass murderers
and you support the death penalty for trespassers. No trial, no
appeal, just shoot them.


"Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence,
Hang Mike Pence, "


Should everyone who said "hang Trump" or worse be taken seriously too?
You folks are either very gullible or just willing to sensationalize
every utterance from a whacko you hear.

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 16:02:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 12:45:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:58 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:23:29 -0500, Vladimir wrote:

On 1/13/2021 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:43:17 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:37:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:12:51 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:48:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:25:33 -0500, Clare Snyder

wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:15:10 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/11/2021 7:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/11/2021 08:23 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:59:20 AM UTC-5, rbowman
wrote:
On 01/11/2021 06:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:21 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol
Police
if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of outside
help prior
to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups
prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is
completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops. They're
controlled
by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees. That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the
protesters
on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira
Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken Trump
supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a
bump
on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose
and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training,
extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above, you
had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're
willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat
to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon.
Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into
custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors
committing minor crimes like trespassing?

They were doing much more than just trespassing.

Not Ashli Babbitt. She was just climbing through a window.

Its what she was intending to do once inside that matters and the
cops inside telling them to stop trying to get in thru the window.

You are in fact free to shoot someone who keeps trying to enter your
house when you are stopping them from doing that in many US states.

"Free to shoot" may have been true some time in the pass but these
days there are very few states where killing anyone is "free". You
might get away with it after a $20,000-$500,000 lawyer bill in most
but you still need to prove "imminent threat to human life" in most
and in DC one of the worst for making you prove that threat.


No weapons and there is no indication she is the one who broke the window.

Irrelevant.

Where was the imminent threat then?

On 1/16/2021 7:52 PM, wrote:


I thought we were talking about an insurrection, an armed attempted coup.
Have you seen any of the video? No, you haven't, because you proudly tell
us that you haven't watched the news in quite a long period of time. With
that in mind, I'm not sure why you feel it's important to share your
opinion.
Compared to most "peaceful protests" this summer it looks pretty tame
to me.

"Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence,
Hang Mike Pence, "

It is ironic they were protesting the death penalty for mass murderers
and you support the death penalty for trespassers. No trial, no
appeal, just shoot them.


"Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence,
Hang Mike Pence, "


Should everyone who said "hang Trump" or worse be taken seriously too?
You folks are either very gullible or just willing to sensationalize
every utterance from a whacko you hear.


Perhaps they should be. Looks like many thought they should be storming
the building to do more.

https://tinyurl.com/y5nzyn6o

A retired firefighter from Pennsylvania who has been charged with
throwing a fire extinguisher at police officers felt he was €œinstructed€�
to go to the Capitol by the president, a tipster told the FBI, according
to court documents.

But others drew an even more direct link €” telling the FBI or news
organizations that they headed to the Capitol on what they believed were
direct orders from the president issued at a rally that day.

wrote
Rod Speed wrote
wrote
Rod Speed wrote
wrote
Jim Joyce wrote
Vladimir wrote
wrote
Jim Joyce wrote
wrote
Jim Joyce wrote
wrote
Clare Snyder wrote
Bob F wrote
rbowman wrote
wrote
rbowman wrote
Dean Hoffman wrote
Dean Hoffman wrote

We'll see how this shakes out in a few days. The woman
killed at the Capitol was unarmed and shot by Capitol
Police if this is right.
http://alturl.com/ukyk6

It sounds like the Capitol Police refused offers of
outside
help prior to the rally.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-national-guard-help-before-siege/


Given the news buzz about the Proud Boys and other groups
prior to the
rally either the leadership of the Capitol Police is
completely inept or
something else is going on.

Really, they're just glorified rent-a-cops. They're
controlled
by
both the House
and the Senate through four separate committees. That's a
cluster****
if I
ever saw one.

Cindy Hamilton


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob/ar-BB1cFbyB


Even juicier... Another article said 15 of the cops were
being
investigated. I've seen the video but this adds even more
credence to
the story that the cops opened the doors and took the
protesters
on a
guided tour.

Pelosi and crew might want to review the history of Indira
Gandhi using
Sikh bodyguards and then attacking the Golden Temple.

Some reports say even the cop who died was an outspoken
Trump
supporter.

The one that killed himself?
The one beaten with the fire extinguisher

The one who had a stroke. That is not a typical reaction to a
bump
on
the head. That is a piece of plaque in an artery busting loose
and
lodging somewhere in the brain that it stops a critical
function.

I'm impressed. Add Medical Examiner to your long list of
qualifications.
You must have been a big Quincy fan.


Maybe the stress of the protest brought it on but I bet when
the
defense actually gets the medical records, this guy had a
preexisting
condition.

https://www.webmd.com/stroke/guide/s...causes-risks#2

As I'm sure you know, due to your extensive medical training,
extreme head
trauma frequently causes localized bleeding and edema, often
resulting in a
blood clot. Stroke and death are not uncommon at that point.

See? We both watched TV in the 1970's.

I am still willing to wait to see what they find.

Now you're willing to wait? What changed your mind? Just above,
you
had
everything all sewn up and ready for "the defense". But now you're
willing
to wait.

I am sure you have your mind made up already.

No, that was you. Still quoted above, in case you don't remember.

I just suggested what any first year law student would question. We
still need to wait for the answer.

In the mean time I am curious what the cop who shot Mrs Babbitt is
going to use for his defense. Can he demonstrate an imminent threat
to
human life from an unarmed woman stuck in a window opening?

As I said, if this was a black woman, Ben Crump would have a
protest
going on the Capitol steps as we speak.


No protests about it though. She does not have the influence of
George
Floyd.

I cannot think of a single reason the cop should have shot her unless
she had something in her hand that could be construed as a weapon.
Even
that will be a tough call. I imagine they are looking for more
video.

While you can't think of a reason to shoot her, I'm more interested in
reasons why a few dozen more weren't shot and hundreds taken into
custody.
I guess the Capitol Police didn't want an all out fire fight, being
out
manned and outgunned.

So you think it OK to shoot protestors
committing minor crimes like trespassing?

They were doing much more than just trespassing.

Not Ashli Babbitt. She was just climbing through a window.

Its what she was intending to do once inside that matters and the
cops inside telling them to stop trying to get in thru the window.

You are in fact free to shoot someone who keeps trying to enter your
house when you are stopping them from doing that in many US states.

"Free to shoot" may have been true some time in the pass

Its still true today.

but these days there are very few states where killing anyone is "free".

BULL****.

You might get away with it after a $20,000-$500,000 lawyer bill in most

Bull****. One of those reality TV doco series had one
fella who was observing a couple of blacks breaking
into a neighbour's house which had no one home.
He called the cops and we could listen to the phone
call where the cop who was coming pleaded with him
to not shoot them. The shooter shot one of them
anyway, dead. The cop showed up just after he had
been killed and didn't even arrest the shooter, because
as he said shooting someone breaking into a house even
if that was a neighbours house with no one inside was
fine in that state. Forget the state now.

but you still need to prove "imminent threat to human life" in most

BULL****.

and in DC one of the worst for making you prove that threat.

That's bull**** with one of the important
state assets like the Capitol or the White
House or even a violent 'protest'

That fool that poked something at the cop
clearing the streets during a street march got
shot dead and the cop didn't even get charged.

No weapons and there is no indication
she is the one who broke the window.

Irrelevant.

Where was the imminent threat then?

There doesn't need to be one.

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 20:20:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/16/2021 7:52 PM, wrote:


I thought we were talking about an insurrection, an armed attempted coup.
Have you seen any of the video? No, you haven't, because you proudly tell
us that you haven't watched the news in quite a long period of time. With
that in mind, I'm not sure why you feel it's important to share your
opinion.
Compared to most "peaceful protests" this summer it looks pretty tame
to me.

"Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence,
Hang Mike Pence, "

It is ironic they were protesting the death penalty for mass murderers
and you support the death penalty for trespassers. No trial, no
appeal, just shoot them.


"Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence,
Hang Mike Pence, "


Should everyone who said "hang Trump" or worse be taken seriously too?
You folks are either very gullible or just willing to sensationalize
every utterance from a whacko you hear.


Perhaps they should be. Looks like many thought they should be storming
the building to do more.

https://tinyurl.com/y5nzyn6o

A retired firefighter from Pennsylvania who has been charged with
throwing a fire extinguisher at police officers felt he was €œinstructed€�
to go to the Capitol by the president, a tipster told the FBI, according
to court documents.

But others drew an even more direct link €” telling the FBI or news
organizations that they headed to the Capitol on what they believed were
direct orders from the president issued at a rally that day.

About 1% of the group entered the Capitol. I am sure BLM says the same
thing about the people breaking into stores but the percentage is
probably higher if you include looting after the stores are breached.

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 13:03:26 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile pest's latest troll**** unread


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