FromTheRafters wrote
Rod Speed wrote
trader_4 wrote
Dean Hoffman wrote
micky wrote

To save battery, I turned off my bluetooth, and I got a notification
on
the cellular startup screen with a red sun and the message "Exposure
Notifications inactive. To use this feature, turn on bluetooth."

I had to google to be reminded of what it meant. It refers to
exposure
to covid and since a) I have the app that keeps track of whether I'm
near an infected person, and b) I turned off bluetooth, it complains.
How does it know if someone has Covid? What alarm goes off if it
senses
Covid? I can't get that image of the Lost in Space robot out of my
head. DANGER
DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON

Some cut.

These apps just keep track of other phones that have the Covid app on
them
that come near your phone. Later if someone with the app on their phone
learns
that they have Covid they can voluntarily put that into the app and then
all the
people who had the app on their phone, who were near the infected
person's
phone, get notified that they were near someone who was Covid positive.
From what I've seen not many people are using it. I don't
because so few people have it that there is little value. For it to
really achieve
effectiveness there would have had to have been a national plan,
encouraging
everyone to use it. That didn't happen because we have a federal govt
that
refused to have any national plan at all.

Even a national plan doesn’t help with aerosols.

Why not?

Because you can be anywhere in the big room
and still get infected by the virus via an aerosol
and so its useless to have a list of people who
did later test positive who were physically close
to you for long enough measured by bluetooth.

In the second wave in Melbourne Australia, lots
of medical professionals got infected via aerosols
in hospitals even while wearing full PPE and its useless
for contact tracing to have a list of everyone in the
hospital or even just on the same floor of the hospital.

With nursing homes, pubs and gyms and supermarkets too.

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:04:47 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 7:01:17 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/11/21 7:15 AM, micky wrote:
To save battery, I turned off my bluetooth, and I got a notification on
the cellular startup screen with a red sun and the message "Exposure
Notifications inactive. To use this feature, turn on bluetooth."

I had to google to be reminded of what it meant. It refers to exposure
to covid and since a) I have the app that keeps track of whether I'm
near an infected person, and b) I turned off bluetooth, it complains.
How does it know if someone has Covid? What alarm goes off if it
senses
Covid? I can't get that image of the Lost in Space robot out of my
head. DANGER
DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON

Some cut.

These apps just keep track of other phones that have the Covid app on them
that come near your phone. Later if someone with the app on their phone learns
that they have Covid they can voluntarily put that into the app and then all the
people who had the app on their phone, who were near the infected person's
phone, get notified that they were near someone who was Covid positive.
From what I've seen not many people are using it. I don't
because so few people have it that there is little value. For it to really achieve
effectiveness there would have had to have been a national plan, encouraging
everyone to use it. That didn't happen because we have a federal govt that
refused to have any national plan at all.


Or maybe a population that simply refuses to put one more tracker on
their phone.
I am not affected at all. My phone doesn't have "apps" and I seldom
actually have it anyway.

Rod Speed presented the following explanation :
FromTheRafters wrote
Rod Speed wrote
trader_4 wrote
Dean Hoffman wrote
micky wrote

To save battery, I turned off my bluetooth, and I got a notification
on
the cellular startup screen with a red sun and the message "Exposure
Notifications inactive. To use this feature, turn on bluetooth."

I had to google to be reminded of what it meant. It refers to exposure
to covid and since a) I have the app that keeps track of whether I'm
near an infected person, and b) I turned off bluetooth, it complains.
How does it know if someone has Covid? What alarm goes off if it
senses
Covid? I can't get that image of the Lost in Space robot out of my
head. DANGER
DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON

Some cut.

These apps just keep track of other phones that have the Covid app on
them
that come near your phone. Later if someone with the app on their phone
learns
that they have Covid they can voluntarily put that into the app and then
all the
people who had the app on their phone, who were near the infected
person's
phone, get notified that they were near someone who was Covid positive.
From what I've seen not many people are using it. I don't
because so few people have it that there is little value. For it to
really achieve
effectiveness there would have had to have been a national plan,
encouraging
everyone to use it. That didn't happen because we have a federal govt
that
refused to have any national plan at all.

Even a national plan doesn’t help with aerosols.

Why not?

Because you can be anywhere in the big room
and still get infected by the virus via an aerosol
and so its useless to have a list of people who
did later test positive who were physically close
to you for long enough measured by bluetooth.

You can be notified that you had an exposure though.

In the second wave in Melbourne Australia, lots
of medical professionals got infected via aerosols
in hospitals even while wearing full PPE and its useless
for contact tracing to have a list of everyone in the
hospital or even just on the same floor of the hospital.

Yeah, well HCWs should assume they are being exposed anyway.

With nursing homes, pubs and gyms and supermarkets too.

But it is even less so with the fomite vector where you pick up
particles left some time ago by an infected person you never even got
close to.

IOW, it works *best* for the aerosol vector.

"FromTheRafters" wrote in message
...
Rod Speed presented the following explanation :
FromTheRafters wrote
Rod Speed wrote
trader_4 wrote
Dean Hoffman wrote
micky wrote

To save battery, I turned off my bluetooth, and I got a
notification
on
the cellular startup screen with a red sun and the message
"Exposure
Notifications inactive. To use this feature, turn on bluetooth."

I had to google to be reminded of what it meant. It refers to
exposure
to covid and since a) I have the app that keeps track of whether
I'm
near an infected person, and b) I turned off bluetooth, it
complains.
How does it know if someone has Covid? What alarm goes off if it
senses
Covid? I can't get that image of the Lost in Space robot out of my
head. DANGER
DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON

Some cut.

These apps just keep track of other phones that have the Covid app on
them
that come near your phone. Later if someone with the app on their
phone learns
that they have Covid they can voluntarily put that into the app and
then all the
people who had the app on their phone, who were near the infected
person's
phone, get notified that they were near someone who was Covid
positive.
From what I've seen not many people are using it. I don't
because so few people have it that there is little value. For it to
really achieve
effectiveness there would have had to have been a national plan,
encouraging
everyone to use it. That didn't happen because we have a federal
govt that
refused to have any national plan at all.

Even a national plan doesn’t help with aerosols.

Why not?

Because you can be anywhere in the big room
and still get infected by the virus via an aerosol
and so its useless to have a list of people who
did later test positive who were physically close
to you for long enough measured by bluetooth.

You can be notified that you had an exposure though.

No you cant because bluetooth doesn’t even
know it you were in the same room or not, all
it knows is how far away you were.

In the second wave in Melbourne Australia, lots
of medical professionals got infected via aerosols
in hospitals even while wearing full PPE and its useless
for contact tracing to have a list of everyone in the
hospital or even just on the same floor of the hospital.

Yeah, well HCWs should assume they are being exposed anyway.

That’s bull**** too.

With nursing homes, pubs and gyms and supermarkets too.

But it is even less so with the fomite vector where you pick up particles
left some time ago by an infected person you never even got close to.

What I said.

IOW, it works *best* for the aerosol vector.

Bull**** bluetooth does.

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In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:48:00 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 11/01/2021 17.24, Rod Speed wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote in message
...
On 11/01/2021 07.15, micky wrote:
To save battery, I turned off my bluetooth, and I got a notification on
the cellular startup screen with a red sun and the message "Exposure
Notifications inactive.* To use this feature, turn on bluetooth."

I had to google to be reminded of what it meant.* It refers to exposure
to covid and since a) I have the app that keeps track of whether I'm
near an infected person, and b) I turned off bluetooth, it complains.

I only go out once or twice a week, soI will leave it off and hope the
reminder re-appears when I'm leaving the house.

No, it will not. How can it know you are leaving home?

Any decent smartphone knows that with the gps.

Which doesn't work inside my house. Google maps history always ask me to
confirm that I'm home, it never knows.

I didn't know google maps kept a history on me, not that I mind. It
will help my mother find out where I am.

It never asks when to confirm I'm home, but the GPS does work inside my
house, I think .

I want to be able to say "Alexa, I'm leaving", and it will turn my cell
phone on, lower my heat, turn off the stove, turn off the bathtub water,
eject from the closet the proper coat for the current weather, and
display in my glasses a list of things I need to bring with me that day.
Just kidding. I'm happy when Alexa leaves me alone.

On 12/01/2021 10.51, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:48:00 +0100, "Carlos E.R." wrote:
On 11/01/2021 17.24, Rod Speed wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote in message
...
On 11/01/2021 07.15, micky wrote:
To save battery, I turned off my bluetooth, and I got a notification on
the cellular startup screen with a red sun and the message "Exposure
Notifications inactive.Â* To use this feature, turn on bluetooth."

I had to google to be reminded of what it meant.Â* It refers to exposure
to covid and since a) I have the app that keeps track of whether I'm
near an infected person, and b) I turned off bluetooth, it complains.

I only go out once or twice a week, soI will leave it off and hope the
reminder re-appears when I'm leaving the house.

No, it will not. How can it know you are leaving home?

Any decent smartphone knows that with the gps.

Which doesn't work inside my house. Google maps history always ask me to
confirm that I'm home, it never knows.

I didn't know google maps kept a history on me, not that I mind. It
will help my mother find out where I am.

Goole Maps app, tap your microicon at the top right, then tap on the
"timeline" entry in the menu.


It never asks when to confirm I'm home, but the GPS does work inside my
house, I think .

I want to be able to say "Alexa, I'm leaving", and it will turn my cell
phone on, lower my heat, turn off the stove, turn off the bathtub water,
eject from the closet the proper coat for the current weather, and
display in my glasses a list of things I need to bring with me that day.
Just kidding. I'm happy when Alexa leaves me alone.

Oh, we will get there alright :-D

Some of it you can do now, if you install on your house the proper servos.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 5:51:47 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:48:00 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 11/01/2021 17.24, Rod Speed wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote in message
...
On 11/01/2021 07.15, micky wrote:
To save battery, I turned off my bluetooth, and I got a notification on
the cellular startup screen with a red sun and the message "Exposure
Notifications inactive. To use this feature, turn on bluetooth."

I had to google to be reminded of what it meant. It refers to exposure
to covid and since a) I have the app that keeps track of whether I'm
near an infected person, and b) I turned off bluetooth, it complains.

I only go out once or twice a week, soI will leave it off and hope the
reminder re-appears when I'm leaving the house.

No, it will not. How can it know you are leaving home?

Any decent smartphone knows that with the gps.

Which doesn't work inside my house. Google maps history always ask me to
confirm that I'm home, it never knows.
I didn't know google maps kept a history on me, not that I mind. It
will help my mother find out where I am.

It never asks when to confirm I'm home, but the GPS does work inside my
house, I think .

I want to be able to say "Alexa, I'm leaving", and it will turn my cell
phone on,

Why do you have your cell phone off at home? Most people have it on
wherever they are, except maybe at night or if they have a low battery
and need to conserve power.

On Mon, 11 Jan 21 07:15:11 UTC, micky wrote:

To save battery, I turned off my bluetooth

[]
Sorry to snip away the rest of your post, micky. The first line was all I
wanted to comment about. Leaving bluetooth on used to have quite an impact,
but not so much anymore.

"So… does turning Bluetooth off save battery?

No, not really.

Over the course of our 26-hour “typical day” test, leaving Bluetooth on
consumed just 1.8% more battery compared to the test with Bluetooth off."
https://bit.ly/35Asjhb