I had New bathroom fitted few months back the shower is fitted above the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round who has told me he would have to get to the back of the shower and pull all my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to get under the bath and pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad he will take my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse board on that he has told me it's going to be compulsory he may have to take tiles of to see if it's leaking this is going to cost around £1000 the plumber that did the bathroom said he is to busy to come back and is now avoiding me .the house is 25 years old .I dont know what yo do will it couse a fire .any idea would be helpfull.

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On 12/4/2020 9:31 AM, Colette wrote:
I had New bathroom fittedÂ* few months back the shower is fitted above
the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower
there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round who
has told me he would have to get to the back of the shower and pull all
my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to get under the bath and
pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad he will take
my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse board on that he
has told me it's going to be compulsoryÂ* he may have to take tiles of to
see if it's leaking this is going to cost aroundÂ* £1000 the plumber that
did the bathroom said he is to busy to come back and is now avoiding me
.the house is 25 years old .I dont know what yo do will it couse a fire
.any idea would be helpfull.


Is this a new location for the shower? It was dumb to run water in a
location like that to start with.

If the first plumber refuses to come back he should be reported to
whatever agency oversees the licenses in your country as that is
irresponsible. He may be liable for any costs you incur if it was his
fault.

It must be fixed, even if times have to be removed. I can't see it so
cannot suggest a better method.

On 12/4/2020 9:31 AM, Colette wrote:
I had New bathroom fittedÂ* few months back the shower is fitted above the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round who has told me he would have to get to the
back of the shower and pull all my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to get under the bath and pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad he will take my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse board on that he has
told me it's going to be compulsoryÂ* he may have to take tiles of to see if it's leaking this is going to cost aroundÂ* £1000 the plumber that did the bathroom said he is to busy to come back and is now avoiding me .the house is 25 years old .I dont
know what yo do will it couse a fire .any idea would be helpfull.


Before those clowns rip your shower walls apart, do an inspection with a snake cam to make sure the plumbing is actually leaking.

https://www.amazon.com/DEPSTECH-Wate.../dp/B01MYTHWK4

On 04/12/2020 14:45, Carlos Peraza wrote:
On 12/4/2020 9:31 AM, Colette wrote:
I had New bathroom fittedÂ* few months back the shower is fitted above
the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower
there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round
who has told me he would have to get to the back of the shower and
pull all my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to get under the
bath and pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad
he will take my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse
board on that he has told me it's going to be compulsoryÂ* he may have
to take tiles of to see if it's leaking this is going to cost around
£1000 the plumber that did the bathroom said he is to busy to come
back and is now avoiding me .the house is 25 years old .I dont know
what yo do will it couse a fire .any idea would be helpfull.


Before those clowns rip your shower walls apart, do an inspection with a
snake cam to make sure the plumbing is actually leaking.

https://www.amazon.com/DEPSTECH-Wate.../dp/B01MYTHWK4


If the damp patch appears after every shower, I'd say it's pretty clear
that it's a leak from that plumbing work.

On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 10:02:09 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 04/12/2020 14:45, Carlos Peraza wrote:
On 12/4/2020 9:31 AM, Colette wrote:
I had New bathroom fitted few months back the shower is fitted above
the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower
there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round
who has told me he would have to get to the back of the shower and
pull all my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to get under the
bath and pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad
he will take my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse
board on that he has told me it's going to be compulsory he may have
to take tiles of to see if it's leaking this is going to cost around
£1000 the plumber that did the bathroom said he is to busy to come
back and is now avoiding me .the house is 25 years old .I dont know
what yo do will it couse a fire .any idea would be helpfull.


Before those clowns rip your shower walls apart, do an inspection with a
snake cam to make sure the plumbing is actually leaking.

https://www.amazon.com/DEPSTECH-Wate.../dp/B01MYTHWK4


If the damp patch appears after every shower, I'd say it's pretty clear
that it's a leak from that plumbing work.

He has to also rule out that it's not water escaping from a shower curtain or door onto
the floor and then leaking down. And it could also be an escutheon around one of the
handles, etc that is leaking, not the plumbing itself. He should eliminate those possibilities,
one at a time, eg direct water using a large hose or something, so that it goes right from
shower head to drain, run it awhile, see what happens. Someone suggested a video
cam and opening a strategically located hole to take a look while testing would be a
good idea. Can probably find a cheap video cam on Ebay, Amazon, etc. It could also
be water leaking at tile joints, if that was done improperly, which again can be ruled
in or out via some testing.

Regarding the non-responsive plumber, I would send him a demand letter, via registered
mail so that he has proof it was mailed and received. Or whatever you have in the UK
that is similar. Save proof of phone call records too. In the letter give him a reasonable
time to come fix it, eg two weeks and explain that if he does not, then you will get someone
else to fix it and bill him for it. If it comes to that, then here in the US you could sue him
in small claims court, IDK about UK courts. Take good pictures of it all too.

Regarding the electrician, unless there is evidence the water has ruined the electric panel,
I wouldn't be rushing to replace that. If water is making it to the panel, then don't use
the shower until it's fixed and if there is no other facility available, shorten that two weeks
for the plumber to maybe 5 days.

On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 14:31:19 +0000, Colette
wrote:

I had New bathroom fitted few months back the shower is fitted above the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round who has told me he would have to get to the back of the shower and pull all my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to
get under the bath and pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad he will take my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse board on that he has told me it's going to be compulsory he may have to take tiles of to see if it's leaking this is going to cost around £1000 the plumber that did the bathroom
said he is to busy to come back and is now avoiding me .the house is 25 years old .I dont know what yo do will it couse a fire .any idea would be helpfull.

It might be easier to access all of that from the hall if that wall is
easier than tile to fix. In the US that would just be drywall and no
big deal to replace. If you open up the wall you should be able to
find the leak and also assess any mold problems you may have created.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Dec 2020 08:19:26 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 10:02:09 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 04/12/2020 14:45, Carlos Peraza wrote:
On 12/4/2020 9:31 AM, Colette wrote:
I had New bathroom fitted few months back the shower is fitted above
the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower
there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round
who has told me he would have to get to the back of the shower and
pull all my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to get under the
bath and pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad
he will take my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse
board on that he has told me it's going to be compulsory he may have
to take tiles of to see if it's leaking this is going to cost around
£1000 the plumber that did the bathroom said he is to busy to come
back and is now avoiding me .the house is 25 years old .I dont know
what yo do will it couse a fire .any idea would be helpfull.


Before those clowns rip your shower walls apart, do an inspection with a
snake cam to make sure the plumbing is actually leaking.

https://www.amazon.com/DEPSTECH-Wate.../dp/B01MYTHWK4


If the damp patch appears after every shower, I'd say it's pretty clear
that it's a leak from that plumbing work.

He has to also rule out that it's not water escaping from a shower curtain or door onto
the floor and then leaking down. And it could also be an escutheon around one of the
handles, etc that is leaking, not the plumbing itself. He should eliminate those possibilities,

My current problem is that it leaks downstairs only when the tub is
being filled. Not when the tub is draining. If it leaks when
showering, I haven't checked but probably. (I use another shower.)

So people here say it come be coming out by the faucent stem packing and
then running back into the wall. Or a pipe or joint could be leaking.

one at a time, eg direct water using a large hose or something, so that it goes right from
shower head to drain, run it awhile, see what happens. Someone suggested a video
cam and opening a strategically located hole to take a look while testing would be a
good idea. Can probably find a cheap video cam on Ebay, Amazon, etc. It could also

Definitely. $20 or 30 for a 5- or 6-foot laparascape.

be water leaking at tile joints, if that was done improperly, which again can be ruled
in or out via some testing.

Regarding the non-responsive plumber, I would send him a demand letter, via registered
mail so that he has proof it was mailed and received. Or whatever you have in the UK
that is similar. Save proof of phone call records too. In the letter give him a reasonable

Texting is good because you have a record, if he has a phone number that
receives texts (any cell phoen**). but save the texts you've send and
if you get a new phone, transfer them to to the new phone. It looks so
lame when plaintiffs claim to have texted and they all say the phone was
lost or broken or they got a new one.

**This is how Inspector Clousseau spelled it. It's pronounced phuon or
phuon.

time to come fix it, eg two weeks and explain that if he does not, then you will get someone
else to fix it and bill him for it. If it comes to that, then here in the US you could sue him
in small claims court, IDK about UK courts. Take good pictures of it all too.

+1

Regarding the electrician, unless there is evidence the water has ruined the electric panel,
I wouldn't be rushing to replace that. If water is making it to the panel, then don't use
the shower until it's fixed and if there is no other facility available, shorten that two weeks
for the plumber to maybe 5 days.

+1

Can the fuse box be removed from the wall and spacers or spacers and a
non-absorbant board be put in to keep it off the wet spot?

On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 16:12:50 -0500, micky
wrote:

My current problem is that it leaks downstairs only when the tub is
being filled. Not when the tub is draining. If it leaks when
showering, I haven't checked but probably. (I use another shower.)

It sounds more like the stem inside the spout is leaking but that and
the faucet stems should be visible if you remove the trim bezels or
the spout. I would start with the bezels. There isn't much between the
valve and the end of the spout to leak. Typically there is either a
pipe nipple extending out of the wall into the spout or the spout
itself threads into the valve body (the 2 common styles). The valve
stem packing is trivial to do if the knobs come off easily. They do
make pullers for that. I have had to cut them off tho.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Dec 2020 19:48:23 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 16:12:50 -0500, micky
wrote:

My current problem is that it leaks downstairs only when the tub is
being filled. Not when the tub is draining. If it leaks when
showering, I haven't checked but probably. (I use another shower.)

It sounds more like the stem inside the spout is leaking but that and
the faucet stems should be visible if you remove the trim bezels or
the spout. I would start with the bezels. There isn't much between the
valve and the end of the spout to leak. Typically there is either a
pipe nipple extending out of the wall into the spout or the spout
itself threads into the valve body (the 2 common styles). The valve
stem packing is trivial to do if the knobs come off easily. They do
make pullers for that. I have had to cut them off tho.

Thanks. What slows me down is that any testing will probably involve
more dripping downstairs. I could put a bucket there, but I'm not sure
where it should go.

But I'll get to it.

I replaced the washers, and maybe the whole stems about 5 years ago and
stopped using the tub 2 or 3 years ago. But I didn't replace the stem
packing.

On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 4:12:59 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Dec 2020 08:19:26 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 10:02:09 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 04/12/2020 14:45, Carlos Peraza wrote:
On 12/4/2020 9:31 AM, Colette wrote:
I had New bathroom fitted few months back the shower is fitted above
the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower
there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round
who has told me he would have to get to the back of the shower and
pull all my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to get under the
bath and pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad
he will take my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse
board on that he has told me it's going to be compulsory he may have
to take tiles of to see if it's leaking this is going to cost around
£1000 the plumber that did the bathroom said he is to busy to come
back and is now avoiding me .the house is 25 years old .I dont know
what yo do will it couse a fire .any idea would be helpfull.


Before those clowns rip your shower walls apart, do an inspection with a
snake cam to make sure the plumbing is actually leaking.

https://www.amazon.com/DEPSTECH-Wate.../dp/B01MYTHWK4


If the damp patch appears after every shower, I'd say it's pretty clear
that it's a leak from that plumbing work.

He has to also rule out that it's not water escaping from a shower curtain or door onto
the floor and then leaking down. And it could also be an escutheon around one of the
handles, etc that is leaking, not the plumbing itself. He should eliminate those possibilities,
My current problem is that it leaks downstairs only when the tub is
being filled. Not when the tub is draining. If it leaks when
showering, I haven't checked but probably. (I use another shower.)

So people here say it come be coming out by the faucent stem packing and
then running back into the wall. Or a pipe or joint could be leaking.
one at a time, eg direct water using a large hose or something, so that it goes right from
shower head to drain, run it awhile, see what happens. Someone suggested a video
cam and opening a strategically located hole to take a look while testing would be a
good idea. Can probably find a cheap video cam on Ebay, Amazon, etc. It could also
Definitely. $20 or 30 for a 5- or 6-foot laparascape.
be water leaking at tile joints, if that was done improperly, which again can be ruled
in or out via some testing.

Regarding the non-responsive plumber, I would send him a demand letter, via registered
mail so that he has proof it was mailed and received. Or whatever you have in the UK
that is similar. Save proof of phone call records too. In the letter give him a reasonable
Texting is good because you have a record, if he has a phone number that
receives texts (any cell phoen**). but save the texts you've send and
if you get a new phone, transfer them to to the new phone. It looks so
lame when plaintiffs claim to have texted and they all say the phone was
lost or broken or they got a new one.

I wonder how many are telling the truth. I've had the same phone for 3 years, can't
remember what happened when I did the transfer back then. I didn't have any texts
worth saving. I would expect that the typical transfer today should save texts.
You'd think texting apps would have the ability to export texts to a text file, but mine
doesn't. Maybe other text apps do. That's the nice thing with Android, if you don't
like the stock apps you can change most of them to something else.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 5 Dec 2020 05:22:48 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:


Regarding the non-responsive plumber, I would send him a demand letter, via registered
mail so that he has proof it was mailed and received. Or whatever you have in the UK
that is similar. Save proof of phone call records too. In the letter give him a reasonable
Texting is good because you have a record, if he has a phone number that
receives texts (any cell phoen**). but save the texts you've send and
if you get a new phone, transfer them to to the new phone. It looks so
lame when plaintiffs claim to have texted and they all say the phone was
lost or broken or they got a new one.

I wonder how many are telling the truth. I've had the same phone for 3 years, can't
remember what happened when I did the transfer back then. I didn't have any texts
worth saving. I would expect that the typical transfer today should save texts.
You'd think texting apps would have the ability to export texts to a text file, but mine
doesn't. Maybe other text apps do. That's the nice thing with Android, if you don't
like the stock apps you can change most of them to something else.

I'm sure some people lose or break their phone and had none of their
texts backed up, and I'm sure most people who buy a new phone don't even
know how to copy texts to it. And they all say they didn't expect to
sue or get sued, which I'm sure is true most of the time, but some
people do know a displute is ongoing and a lawsuit is likely, and I'm
sure many or most are lying about there once having had texts (why I
said "claim"). The tv judges seem not to care if they're lying. All
that matters is that they don't have them, so the reason doesn't matter.

The best all-around utility for Android cell phones is MyPhoneExplorer,
https://www.fjsoft.at/en/highlight.php . I don't have any texts worth
saving either, so I haven't tried it but I'm sure it will back up your
texts, like it backs up everything else, and it can then save them to a
new phone.

It also allows one to send texts, composing them on your PC with a full
sized keyboard, though you do have to have your phone on and linked to
send the text.

It also makes transferring files back and forth easy, like photos, or if
you download an apk on the PC.

It will connect the PC to the phone via cable, bluetooth, or wifi.


It requires a second part for the phone itself. That's at
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...xplorer.client


This page is interesting too. If you have an adblocker turned on, you
get https://www.fosshub.com/MyPhoneExplorer.html with a button for
Cryptdonate. Click on that and it's like a foreign world.

On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 2:52:55 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 5 Dec 2020 05:22:48 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:


Regarding the non-responsive plumber, I would send him a demand letter, via registered
mail so that he has proof it was mailed and received. Or whatever you have in the UK
that is similar. Save proof of phone call records too. In the letter give him a reasonable
Texting is good because you have a record, if he has a phone number that
receives texts (any cell phoen**). but save the texts you've send and
if you get a new phone, transfer them to to the new phone. It looks so
lame when plaintiffs claim to have texted and they all say the phone was
lost or broken or they got a new one.

I wonder how many are telling the truth. I've had the same phone for 3 years, can't
remember what happened when I did the transfer back then. I didn't have any texts
worth saving. I would expect that the typical transfer today should save texts.
You'd think texting apps would have the ability to export texts to a text file, but mine
doesn't. Maybe other text apps do. That's the nice thing with Android, if you don't
like the stock apps you can change most of them to something else.
I'm sure some people lose or break their phone and had none of their
texts backed up,

You're encouraged during setup to enable Google Account backup. If you do that, I think
texts along with other key info will be backed up, but I don't remember what happened
years ago with texts when I used it to move to a new phone. I know it did restore apps,
contacts, etc., that all came right across to the new phone.


and I'm sure most people who buy a new phone don't even
know how to copy texts to it.

A new phone comes with instructions on how to easily move what you have from the
old phone to the new. AFAIK, using Google Account is just one, I think they may have
utilities that will do it for you too. Apple has similar, it's all backed up in the cloud.
Hard to imagine that in 2020 it would not include texts.

On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 09:42:41 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 12/4/2020 9:31 AM, Colette wrote:
I had New bathroom fitted* few months back the shower is fitted above
the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower
there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round who
has told me he would have to get to the back of the shower and pull all
my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to get under the bath and
pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad he will take
my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse board on that he
has told me it's going to be compulsory* he may have to take tiles of to
see if it's leaking this is going to cost around* £1000 the plumber that
did the bathroom said he is to busy to come back and is now avoiding me
.the house is 25 years old .I dont know what yo do will it couse a fire
.any idea would be helpfull.


Is this a new location for the shower? It was dumb to run water in a
location like that to start with.

If the first plumber refuses to come back he should be reported to
whatever agency oversees the licenses in your country as that is
irresponsible. He may be liable for any costs you incur if it was his
fault.

It must be fixed, even if times have to be removed. I can't see it so
cannot suggest a better method.
The "plumber" was likely just a handyman "bodger", not a registered
tradesman. Most likely cause of the dampness is not sealing around
the pipes where they penetrate the tile/backer. I'd pull the
estachions and caulk behind them with a good tile and tub caulk first
before doing any extensive/expensive deconstruction and see if that
solves the problem. Also seal all the tile grout with a clear tile
sealer made for the job.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 5 Dec 2020 13:21:11 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 2:52:55 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:

and I'm sure most people who buy a new phone don't even
know how to copy texts to it.

A new phone comes with instructions on how to easily move what you have from the
old phone to the new.

Not all of them. Not my previous one, or I think my current one, or the
one still in the box.

AFAIK, using Google Account is just one, I think they may have
utilities that will do it for you too. Apple has similar, it's all backed up in the cloud.
Hard to imagine that in 2020 it would not include texts.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 05 Dec 2020 17:40:09 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 5 Dec 2020 13:21:11 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 2:52:55 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:

and I'm sure most people who buy a new phone don't even
know how to copy texts to it.

A new phone comes with instructions on how to easily move what you have from the
old phone to the new.

Not all of them. Not my previous one, or I think my current one, or the
one still in the box.

And even if there are instructions, that doesn't mean the owners know
how to do it.

AFAIK, using Google Account is just one, I think they may have
utilities that will do it for you too. Apple has similar, it's all backed up in the cloud.
Hard to imagine that in 2020 it would not include texts.

On 12/5/2020 2:25 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 09:42:41 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 12/4/2020 9:31 AM, Colette wrote:
I had New bathroom fittedÂ* few months back the shower is fitted above
the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower
there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round who
has told me he would have to get to the back of the shower and pull all
my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to get under the bath and
pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad he will take
my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse board on that he
has told me it's going to be compulsoryÂ* he may have to take tiles of to
see if it's leaking this is going to cost aroundÂ* £1000 the plumber that
did the bathroom said he is to busy to come back and is now avoiding me
.the house is 25 years old .I dont know what yo do will it couse a fire
.any idea would be helpfull.


Is this a new location for the shower? It was dumb to run water in a
location like that to start with.

If the first plumber refuses to come back he should be reported to
whatever agency oversees the licenses in your country as that is
irresponsible. He may be liable for any costs you incur if it was his
fault.

It must be fixed, even if times have to be removed. I can't see it so
cannot suggest a better method.
The "plumber" was likely just a handyman "bodger", not a registered
tradesman. Most likely cause of the dampness is not sealing around
the pipes where they penetrate the tile/backer. I'd pull the
estachions and caulk behind them with a good tile and tub caulk first
before doing any extensive/expensive deconstruction and see if that
solves the problem. Also seal all the tile grout with a clear tile
sealer made for the job.


Before I caulked them I would inspect carefully what you can see with
the covers removed. My Depstech endoscope would perhaps be very helpful
in diagnosing the problem. If you operate it the way you see the leak,
you might be able to see better where the leak is through any gaps
around the through the tile fittings.

If the leak only happens when filling the tub, and not the shower, that
would suggest a leak in the pipes from the valve to the shower. And
vise-versa.

On Sat, 05 Dec 2020 17:42:25 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 05 Dec 2020 17:40:09 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 5 Dec 2020 13:21:11 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 2:52:55 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:

and I'm sure most people who buy a new phone don't even
know how to copy texts to it.

A new phone comes with instructions on how to easily move what you have from the
old phone to the new.

Not all of them. Not my previous one, or I think my current one, or the
one still in the box.

And even if there are instructions, that doesn't mean the owners know
how to do it.

AFAIK, using Google Account is just one, I think they may have
utilities that will do it for you too. Apple has similar, it's all backed up in the cloud.
Hard to imagine that in 2020 it would not include texts.


I'm not an apple person, but after being nudged into the apple world
by my hearing aids and "inheriting" i-phones from , first my daughter,
then a client, I found updating drom my old SE to my 8 was painless -
and updating my wife from the 4 to the SE was just as simple.
Previously I was in the Blackberry universe - and even there it was
pretty simple. Moving from the 'Berry to the "other fruit phone" was a
bit more complicated but I don't think I lost anything.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 21:17:51 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 12/5/2020 2:25 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 09:42:41 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 12/4/2020 9:31 AM, Colette wrote:
I had New bathroom fitted* few months back the shower is fitted above
the fuse box which is in the hall .I have noticed when I have a shower
there's a damp patch around the fuse box.I have had a plumber round who
has told me he would have to get to the back of the shower and pull all
my beautiful new tiles off .and maybe have to get under the bath and
pull tiles off the side panel.And a electrician who has sad he will take
my new shower off and put new one on and put a new fuse board on that he
has told me it's going to be compulsory* he may have to take tiles of to
see if it's leaking this is going to cost around* £1000 the plumber that
did the bathroom said he is to busy to come back and is now avoiding me
.the house is 25 years old .I dont know what yo do will it couse a fire
.any idea would be helpfull.


Is this a new location for the shower? It was dumb to run water in a
location like that to start with.

If the first plumber refuses to come back he should be reported to
whatever agency oversees the licenses in your country as that is
irresponsible. He may be liable for any costs you incur if it was his
fault.

It must be fixed, even if times have to be removed. I can't see it so
cannot suggest a better method.
The "plumber" was likely just a handyman "bodger", not a registered
tradesman. Most likely cause of the dampness is not sealing around
the pipes where they penetrate the tile/backer. I'd pull the
estachions and caulk behind them with a good tile and tub caulk first
before doing any extensive/expensive deconstruction and see if that
solves the problem. Also seal all the tile grout with a clear tile
sealer made for the job.


Before I caulked them I would inspect carefully what you can see with
the covers removed. My Depstech endoscope would perhaps be very helpful
in diagnosing the problem. If you operate it the way you see the leak,
you might be able to see better where the leak is through any gaps
around the through the tile fittings.

If the leak only happens when filling the tub, and not the shower, that
would suggest a leak in the pipes from the valve to the shower. And
vise-versa.

After reading it is only when "filling the tub" - and NOT using the
shower:
90+% chance it is the diveerter or the tub filling spout - the
diverter would be my first guess - with water running back into the
wall. It can NOT be the pipes if it doesn't leak whenthe water is not
running - and particularly if not when the dhower is running (not
filling the tub)

Or mabee it is only when there IS water in the tub - which could be a
drain issue or a cracked (acrylic) tub - - -

Had one that only leaked with the tub full that was a problem with the
seal around the drain - and another that was a cracked tub., Resealing
the drain "tailpiece" solved the one - the other needed a tub
replacement but was patched with epoxy in the short term (don't know
if it was ever replaced) The drain was my daughter's.

On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 5:40:15 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 5 Dec 2020 13:21:11 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 2:52:55 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:

and I'm sure most people who buy a new phone don't even
know how to copy texts to it.

A new phone comes with instructions on how to easily move what you have from the
old phone to the new.
Not all of them. Not my previous one, or I think my current one, or the
one still in the box.
AFAIK, using Google Account is just one, I think they may have
utilities that will do it for you too. Apple has similar, it's all backed up in the cloud.
Hard to imagine that in 2020 it would not include texts.



This discussion got me interested in what exactly does or does not get backed up by Google
on an Android phone. I was also thinking about rooting my phone, which would entail a
factory reset, so it would matter. As to texts, I still don't know. I see most sources saying
that Google doesn't back texts up. Others say that they do. Others say they do but it's
optional or part of something other than the normal backup that happens all the time.
So, IDK. But there are apps that will save them if you need them.

As to complete backup of your android phone, it's a big, hot mess. It's very unclear exactly
what gets backed up by Google and what does not. Looks like apps get backed up, so you
can restore them. Whether that includes data too, IDK. It backs up some settings.
I see nothing about it backing up other things, eg documents, files, pictures, videos, etc.
There are other separate solutions for that, eg Dropbox, but you would think there would
be complete backup options today.

I could not find a comprehensive backup app for phones that are not rooted.
Without root access, the backups can't backup most app data for example or wifi
networks that you have names and PWDs set for. And the ones
I looked at just dealt with apps, not with the files, pics, etc. On the other hand, if you
have a rooted phone, then there are apps which will essentially make a backup of everything.

I haven't used a restore in a couple years or more. When I did, I remember it did put back
the apps, but I don't remember how much more I had to do, like re-entering account names,
pwds, etc. It's actually amazing that for such an advanced OS and all the things people
have on their phones that backup is so screwed up on Android.

I finally decided not to root my phone. I was most interested in getting rid of the carrier
bloatware on it, which you can only do via rooting. But I found a way to easily disable it
permanently so that it no longer loads or does anything. It's still there taking up space
and it may still get updated from the Playstore, but it won't run or show up as an installed app.

On 12/7/2020 5:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
..

I finally decided not to root my phone. I was most interested in getting rid of the carrier
bloatware on it, which you can only do via rooting. But I found a way to easily disable it
permanently so that it no longer loads or does anything. It's still there taking up space
and it may still get updated from the Playstore, but it won't run or show up as an installed app.

Was that an android? What was the "way" to disable apps?

On 12/7/2020 12:04 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 12/7/2020 5:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
.

I finally decided not to root my phone.Â* I was most interested in
getting rid of the carrier
bloatware on it, which you can only do via rooting.Â* But I found a way
to easily disable it
permanently so that it no longer loads or does anything.Â* It's still
there taking up space
and it may still get updated from the Playstore, but it won't run or
show up as an installed app.

Was that an android? What was the "way" to disable apps?

Settings . . . APPS....choose the app and then disable

On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:04:52 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 12/7/2020 5:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
.

I finally decided not to root my phone. I was most interested in getting rid of the carrier
bloatware on it, which you can only do via rooting. But I found a way to easily disable it
permanently so that it no longer loads or does anything. It's still there taking up space
and it may still get updated from the Playstore, but it won't run or show up as an installed app.

Was that an android? What was the "way" to disable apps?
The most effective way to get rid of apps on an Android is to shut it
off - - -

On 12/7/2020 9:20 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/7/2020 12:04 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 12/7/2020 5:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
.

I finally decided not to root my phone.Â* I was most interested in
getting rid of the carrier
bloatware on it, which you can only do via rooting.Â* But I found a
way to easily disable it
permanently so that it no longer loads or does anything.Â* It's still
there taking up space
and it may still get updated from the Playstore, but it won't run or
show up as an installed app.

Was that an android? What was the "way" to disable apps?

Settings . . . APPS....choose the app and then disable

For many of the installed apps on my phone, the phone just turns them
back on. Email, Emergency Alerts, Gallery, Google play services, Help,
My Verizon, Samsung Push services, Sim toolkit. It's an old Galaxy S5,
so I don't expect automatic updates to ever be needed.

On 12/7/2020 11:02 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 12/7/2020 9:20 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/7/2020 12:04 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 12/7/2020 5:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
.

I finally decided not to root my phone.Â* I was most interested in
getting rid of the carrier
bloatware on it, which you can only do via rooting.Â* But I found a
way to easily disable it
permanently so that it no longer loads or does anything.Â* It's still
there taking up space
and it may still get updated from the Playstore, but it won't run or
show up as an installed app.

Was that an android? What was the "way" to disable apps?

Settings . . . APPS....choose the app and then disable

For many of the installed apps on my phone, the phone just turns them
back on. Email, Emergency Alerts, Gallery, Google play services, Help,
My Verizon, Samsung Push services, Sim toolkit. It's an old Galaxy S5,
so I don't expect automatic updates to ever be needed.

Not a very useful suggestion.

On 12/7/2020 11:03 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 12/7/2020 11:02 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 12/7/2020 9:20 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/7/2020 12:04 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 12/7/2020 5:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
.

I finally decided not to root my phone.Â* I was most interested in
getting rid of the carrier
bloatware on it, which you can only do via rooting.Â* But I found a
way to easily disable it
permanently so that it no longer loads or does anything.Â* It's
still there taking up space
and it may still get updated from the Playstore, but it won't run
or show up as an installed app.

Was that an android? What was the "way" to disable apps?

Settings . . . APPS....choose the app and then disable

For many of the installed apps on my phone, the phone just turns them
back on. Email, Emergency Alerts, Gallery, Google play services, Help,
My Verizon, Samsung Push services, Sim toolkit. It's an old Galaxy S5,
so I don't expect automatic updates to ever be needed.

Not a very useful suggestion.


oops! This was intended as a response to Clare's response below.

On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 11:03:02 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 12/7/2020 11:02 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 12/7/2020 9:20 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/7/2020 12:04 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 12/7/2020 5:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
.

I finally decided not to root my phone.* I was most interested in
getting rid of the carrier
bloatware on it, which you can only do via rooting.* But I found a
way to easily disable it
permanently so that it no longer loads or does anything.* It's still
there taking up space
and it may still get updated from the Playstore, but it won't run or
show up as an installed app.

Was that an android? What was the "way" to disable apps?

Settings . . . APPS....choose the app and then disable

For many of the installed apps on my phone, the phone just turns them
back on. Email, Emergency Alerts, Gallery, Google play services, Help,
My Verizon, Samsung Push services, Sim toolkit. It's an old Galaxy S5,
so I don't expect automatic updates to ever be needed.

Not a very useful suggestion.
Not a very good OS either