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On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 07:19:05 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

Not true. You may be assuming that asymptomatic means not contagious or
not COVID-19 positive.


Hi FromTheRafters,

It's clear Rod Speed (aka %%) doesn't comprehend that asymptomatics can be
contagious (remember the WHO retraction on that very subject?).

I think I understand Rod's flawed logic, which fails in this case:
1. Asymptomatic person is close to you for 15 minutes
2. The app won't tell you a damn thing.

I think what Rod Speed's logic is simply that, eventually, you WILL get
sick (app or no app), perhaps from that asymptomatic person, and then, and
only then, will the app tell anyone anything (after you already get sick)
because, if you're still alive, you can then tell the asymptomatic person,
belatedly, perhaps weeks later, *that _he_ was exposed to _you_*.

At least that's what I "think" Rod Speed's flawed logic appears to be.
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On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 07:19:05 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:


Not true. You may be assuming that asymptomatic
means not contagious or not COVID-19 positive.


It's clear he doesn't comprehend
that asymptomatics can be contagious


In fact I said just that when you first brought it up when
demanding to know how an app helps with those, ****wit.

I think I understand his flawed logic, which fails in this case:


No you donít, as always.

1. Asymptomatic person is close to you for 15 minutes
2. The app won't tell you a damn thing.


It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.

I think what his logic is simply that, eventually,
you WILL get sick (app or no app),


Nope, that you should get tested to see if you got infected.

perhaps from that asymptomatic person, and then, and only then,
will the app tell anyone anything (after you already get sick)


Nope, if that asymptomatic person does later turn out to have been infected.

because, if you're still alive, you can then tell the asymptomatic person,
belatedly, perhaps weeks later, *that _he_ was exposed to _you_*.


Never said anything even remotely like that.

At least that's what I "think" his flawed logic appears to be.


You ****ed up, as always.


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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000, wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.


And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?
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On 16/09/2020 09.30, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000, wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.


And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?


What if a symptomatic person never goes to the hospital or never gets
tested? Because here there hare thousand of those.

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000, wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.


And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?


Irrelevant to the fact that plenty of those who were initially
asymptomatic initially and that some do get tested anyway.



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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:04:33 +1000, %%, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?


Irrelevant to the fact that plenty of those who were initially
asymptomatic initially and that some do get tested anyway.


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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 16/09/2020 09.30, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000, wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.


And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?


What if a symptomatic person never goes to the hospital or never gets
tested? Because here there hare thousand of those.


Honestly don't bother. Arlen doesn't understand contact tracing and is
unwilling to find out.

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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:09:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

What if a symptomatic person never goes to the hospital or never gets
tested? Because here there hare thousand of those.


Carlos,

I know this stuff well as I was trained in this for many years.

The apps catch a very small percentage of cases, something like 1%
in some scenarios, which is 1 out of 100 infected people,
when you factor in all the math involved, even in the best situations.

You may as well carry a talisman, as that might work even better.

The apps can't work for a variety of reasons, enumerating some as...
1. Uptake will never be anywhere near what epidemiologists claim is needed.
2. They miss aerosol, contact surface, & asymptomatic transmission.

You may as well carry around a rosary & pray a certain prayer three times.
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on 9/16/2020, Arlen Holder supposed :
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 07:19:05 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

Not true. You may be assuming that asymptomatic means not contagious or
not COVID-19 positive.


Hi FromTheRafters,

It's clear Rod Speed (aka %%) doesn't comprehend that asymptomatics can be
contagious (remember the WHO retraction on that very subject?).


My response was not to Rod (%%), but to Joerg Lorenz- who wrote:

===============
No it doesn't!
By definition.
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in response to Rod (%%) who wrote:

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Nope, just those who are too stupid to even work out that that
approach works very well with those who are asymptomatic, stupid.
================================================== ===============

There is no difference between the asymptomatic and the presymptomatic
with regard to the app's purpose of helping to trace paths of contagion
spread. It seems to be only a personal risk assessment application and
as with all such risk reduction schemes, it can give a false sense of
security if one misunderstands the purpose.

I think an alert can be a good thing if I exposed myself to the virus
to a greater extent than I had assumed.
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Arlen Holder presented the following explanation :
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000, wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.


And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?


Maybe he doesn't have the disruptive disease, yet passed the virus to
someone else who went on to be tested and traced back to you and others
through him despite himself having still no symptoms.

Scenario - an asymptomatic "case" is in front of you at the grocery
checkout. He infects you and others and then goes home to infect his
friends and family. His parents get sick quickly and the app helps to
show that he possibly infected many at the store at that time and for
some hours afterward - you get an alert since he has now been tagged
and you were in close enough proximity for a long enough time to be at
risk.

Sure, like everything else, it is not perfect, but that's no reason to
discourage people from using such a measure if they want to.


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