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On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 07:19:05 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

Not true. You may be assuming that asymptomatic means not contagious or
not COVID-19 positive.

Hi FromTheRafters,

It's clear Rod Speed (aka %%) doesn't comprehend that asymptomatics can be
contagious (remember the WHO retraction on that very subject?).

I think I understand Rod's flawed logic, which fails in this case:
1. Asymptomatic person is close to you for 15 minutes
2. The app won't tell you a damn thing.

I think what Rod Speed's logic is simply that, eventually, you WILL get
sick (app or no app), perhaps from that asymptomatic person, and then, and
only then, will the app tell anyone anything (after you already get sick)
because, if you're still alive, you can then tell the asymptomatic person,
belatedly, perhaps weeks later, *that _he_ was exposed to _you_*.

At least that's what I "think" Rod Speed's flawed logic appears to be.
--
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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 07:19:05 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

Not true. You may be assuming that asymptomatic
means not contagious or not COVID-19 positive.

It's clear he doesn't comprehend
that asymptomatics can be contagious

In fact I said just that when you first brought it up when
demanding to know how an app helps with those, ****wit.

I think I understand his flawed logic, which fails in this case:

No you don’t, as always.

1. Asymptomatic person is close to you for 15 minutes
2. The app won't tell you a damn thing.

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.

I think what his logic is simply that, eventually,
you WILL get sick (app or no app),

Nope, that you should get tested to see if you got infected.

perhaps from that asymptomatic person, and then, and only then,
will the app tell anyone anything (after you already get sick)

Nope, if that asymptomatic person does later turn out to have been infected.

because, if you're still alive, you can then tell the asymptomatic person,
belatedly, perhaps weeks later, *that _he_ was exposed to _you_*.

Never said anything even remotely like that.

At least that's what I "think" his flawed logic appears to be.

You ****ed up, as always.

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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000, wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.

And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?

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On 16/09/2020 09.30, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000, wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.

And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?


What if a symptomatic person never goes to the hospital or never gets
tested? Because here there hare thousand of those.

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Cheers, Carlos.

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000, wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.

And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?

Irrelevant to the fact that plenty of those who were initially
asymptomatic initially and that some do get tested anyway.

Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
 

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:04:33 +1000, %%, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?

Irrelevant to the fact that plenty of those who were initially
asymptomatic initially and that some do get tested anyway.

In auto-contradicting mode again, pathological senile pest?

--
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"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 16/09/2020 09.30, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000, wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.

And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?


What if a symptomatic person never goes to the hospital or never gets
tested? Because here there hare thousand of those.


Honestly don't bother. Arlen doesn't understand contact tracing and is
unwilling to find out.

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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:09:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

What if a symptomatic person never goes to the hospital or never gets
tested? Because here there hare thousand of those.

Carlos,

I know this stuff well as I was trained in this for many years.

The apps catch a very small percentage of cases, something like 1%
in some scenarios, which is 1 out of 100 infected people,
when you factor in all the math involved, even in the best situations.

You may as well carry a talisman, as that might work even better.

The apps can't work for a variety of reasons, enumerating some as...
1. Uptake will never be anywhere near what epidemiologists claim is needed.
2. They miss aerosol, contact surface, & asymptomatic transmission.

You may as well carry around a rosary & pray a certain prayer three times.
--
The problem here is people are expecting a placebo to be effective.

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on 9/16/2020, Arlen Holder supposed :
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 07:19:05 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

Not true. You may be assuming that asymptomatic means not contagious or
not COVID-19 positive.

Hi FromTheRafters,

It's clear Rod Speed (aka %%) doesn't comprehend that asymptomatics can be
contagious (remember the WHO retraction on that very subject?).

My response was not to Rod (%%), but to Joerg Lorenz- who wrote:

===============
No it doesn't!
By definition.
===============

in response to Rod (%%) who wrote:

================================================== ===============
Nope, just those who are too stupid to even work out that that
approach works very well with those who are asymptomatic, stupid.
================================================== ===============

There is no difference between the asymptomatic and the presymptomatic
with regard to the app's purpose of helping to trace paths of contagion
spread. It seems to be only a personal risk assessment application and
as with all such risk reduction schemes, it can give a false sense of
security if one misunderstands the purpose.

I think an alert can be a good thing if I exposed myself to the virus
to a greater extent than I had assumed.

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Arlen Holder presented the following explanation :
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000, wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.

And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?

Maybe he doesn't have the disruptive disease, yet passed the virus to
someone else who went on to be tested and traced back to you and others
through him despite himself having still no symptoms.

Scenario - an asymptomatic "case" is in front of you at the grocery
checkout. He infects you and others and then goes home to infect his
friends and family. His parents get sick quickly and the app helps to
show that he possibly infected many at the store at that time and for
some hours afterward - you get an alert since he has now been tagged
and you were in close enough proximity for a long enough time to be at
risk.

Sure, like everything else, it is not perfect, but that's no reason to
discourage people from using such a measure if they want to.

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:09:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

What if a symptomatic person never goes to the hospital or
never gets tested? Because here there hare thousand of those.

The apps catch a very small percentage of cases,
something like 1% in some scenarios, which is 1
out of 100 infected people, when you factor in
all the math involved, even in the best situations.

That’s a lie with South Korea and Singapore.

The apps can't work for a variety of reasons,

How odd that they do in South Korea and Singapore.

enumerating some as...
1. Uptake will never be anywhere near what epidemiologists claim is
needed.

How odd that it is in South Korea and Singapore.

2. They miss aerosol,

No they do not.

contact surface,

Still useful anyway.

& asymptomatic transmission.

That’s your pig ignorant lie. They work even better with those,

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 04:42:31 +1000, wrote:

That's your pig ignorant lie. They work even better with those,

Rod Speed,

You need to do a little light reading on the topic.

Try this:
o Automated and partly automated contact tracing: a systematic review to inform the control of COVID-19
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30184-9/fulltext

That's not "my" assessment mind you; that's from scientists.
o Here is the very first line, which, I hope you can get that far:

"Evidence for the use of automated or partly automated contact-tracing
tools to contain severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2
is scarce."
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I suspect people like Rod Speed simply don't ever read scientific papers.

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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:12:34 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

There is no difference between the asymptomatic and the presymptomatic
with regard to the app's purpose of helping to trace paths of contagion
spread. It seems to be only a personal risk assessment application and
as with all such risk reduction schemes, it can give a false sense of
security if one misunderstands the purpose.

I still need you to answer a simple sensible question based on logic:
o *How is the app gonna tell _YOU_ asymptomatics were in contact with YOU?*

Please read this before you respond:
o Nearly Half of Coronavirus Spread May Be Traced to People Without Any Symptoms
https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread/
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I suspect most people haven't been keeping up with the facts in the news.

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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:27:32 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

Sure, like everything else, it is not perfect, but that's no reason to
discourage people from using such a measure if they want to.

These aren't "my" concerns; they're the concerns of a _lot_ of people.

There are _plenty_ of reasons _not_ to focus on these apps as a "solution".
o You either just don't know them, or, more likely, you've discounted them.

There is cost, for one thing, e.g.,
o Utah's expensive coronavirus app won¢t track people¢s movements anymore, its key feature
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/07/11/states-m-healthy-together/

And there is harm, e.g.,
o A Scramble for Virus Apps That Do No Harm
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/29/business/coronavirus-cellphone-apps-contact-tracing.html
--
I suspect a lot of people aren't reading the news about these tracing apps.

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 04:42:31 +1000, wrote:

That's your pig ignorant lie. They work even better with those,

You need to do a little light reading on the topic.

Nope, already done that.

Try this:
o Automated and partly automated contact tracing: a systematic review to
inform the control of COVID-19
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30184-9/fulltext

Pity that doesn’t explain why it worked in South Korea and Singapore.

That's not "my" assessment mind you; that's from scientists.
o Here is the very first line, which, I hope you can get that far:

"Evidence for the use of automated or partly automated contact-tracing
tools to contain severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2
is scarce."

That’s a lie with South Korea and Singapore.
--
I suspect people like Rod Speed simply don't ever read scientific papers.

In fact I have been an author of some.

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:12:34 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

There is no difference between the asymptomatic and the presymptomatic
with regard to the app's purpose of helping to trace paths of contagion
spread. It seems to be only a personal risk assessment application and
as with all such risk reduction schemes, it can give a false sense of
security if one misunderstands the purpose.

I still need you to answer a simple sensible question based on logic:
o *How is the app gonna tell _YOU_ asymptomatics were in contact with
YOU?*

When those they infect test positive and the app tells
you that because of that you should get tested.

Please read this before you respond:
o Nearly Half of Coronavirus Spread May Be Traced to People Without Any
Symptoms

That’s because they are PREsymptomatic, not permanently asymptomatic.

https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread/

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:27:32 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

Sure, like everything else, it is not perfect, but that's no reason
to discourage people from using such a measure if they want to.

These aren't "my" concerns; they're the concerns of a _lot_ of people.

There are _plenty_ of reasons _not_ to focus on these apps as a
"solution".

There are _plenty_ of reasons to add apps to what else you do about the
virus.

And there is harm, e.g.,
o A Scramble for Virus Apps That Do No Harm
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/29/business/coronavirus-cellphone-apps-contact-tracing.html

No scramble involved, it is trivial do do those.

Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
 

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 05:27:59 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

--
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"Do you practice arguing with yourself in an empty room?"
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On 16/09/2020 17.27, FromTheRafters wrote:
Arlen** Holder presented the following explanation :
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:21:07 +1000,* wrote:

It will tell you that you have been that close to that individual
for that long if they later turn out to be positive.

And what if that asymptomatic person never got tested?

Maybe he doesn't have the disruptive disease, yet passed the virus to
someone else who went on to be tested and traced back to you and others
through him despite himself having still no symptoms.

Scenario - an asymptomatic "case" is in front of you at the grocery
checkout. He infects you and others and then goes home to infect his
friends and family. His parents get sick quickly and the app helps to
show that he possibly infected many at the store at that time and for
some hours afterward - you get an alert since he has now been tagged and
you were in close enough proximity for a long enough time to be at risk.

Sure, like everything else, it is not perfect, but that's no reason to
discourage people from using such a measure if they want to.

Yes.

Of course that the app is not "*the* solution", nor "a complete
solution". It is just a tool that can help sometimes. "A part of the
solution". That's enough for me.

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:12:34 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

There is no difference between the asymptomatic and the presymptomatic
with regard to the app's purpose of helping to trace paths of contagion
spread. It seems to be only a personal risk assessment application and
as with all such risk reduction schemes, it can give a false sense of
security if one misunderstands the purpose.

I still need you to answer a simple sensible question based on logic:
o *How is the app gonna tell _YOU_ asymptomatics were in contact with
YOU?*

When the asymptomatic get tested for whatever reason and turn out to be
positive.

Our doctors wont see in in person unless you have had a
test and can show them a negative test result, even tho
we havent had a positive for months now and only ever
had 3 who came off the ruby princess cruise liner infected.

Yes, that not as good as with those with
symptoms, but it’s a lot better than nothing.

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 05:36:57 +1000, wrote:

There are _plenty_ of reasons to add apps to what else you do about the
virus.

Rod Speed,
Do you have _any_ concept of how huge "nearly half" is in terms of numbers?

o Nearly Half of Coronavirus Spread May Be Traced to People Without Any Symptoms
https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread/

Note "nearly half" of those then infected, are likely repeating the cycle!
--
The problem with people like Rod Speed is they don't know any math.

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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:31:48 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Of course that the app is not "*the* solution", nor "a complete
solution". It is just a tool that can help sometimes. "A part of the
solution". That's enough for me.

Hi Carlos,

This is the first logically defensible statement you've said in a while.
o If the app does less harm than it does good, then it may be an OK deal.

There is "scarce" evidence these apps can even work in good situation:
Automated and partly automated contact tracing: a systematic review to inform the control of COVID-19
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30184-9/fulltext
"Evidence for the use of automated or partly automated contact-tracing
tools to contain severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2
is scarce."

But the problem is that it has zero chance of working in the USA.
o So the app turns out to be a "false promise" that gets peoples hopes up.

o What Ever Happened to Digital Contact Tracing?
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-ever-happened-digital-contact-tracing
"It will be an uphill battle even to hit the 10 percent mark in America"

"Under a range of assumptions, the percentage of the population needed
to be enrolled in automated contact tracing for outbreak control (Re1)
was estimated (eg, 40%-60% uptake required for Re1, assuming a 30% mean
transmission probability per contact event, if 75%-95% actively confirm
when they get infected"

Americans may as well pray upon a rosary for all the good it will do them.
o At least carrying around a placebo doesn't have security risks.
--
There is zero chance of these apps having any beneficial effect in the USA.

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 05:33:47 +1000, wrote:

When those they infect test positive and the app tells
you that because of that you should get tested.

You're joking, right?

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 05:36:57 +1000, wrote:

There are _plenty_ of reasons to add apps
to what else you do about the virus.

Do you have _any_ concept of how huge "nearly half" is in terms of
numbers?

Or course I do. But even if that was true, and it isnt,
there are still the other half for which an app is useful.

o Nearly Half of Coronavirus Spread May Be Traced to People Without Any
Symptoms
https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread/

Note "nearly half" of those then infected, are likely repeating the cycle!

That doesn’t say that.

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:12:14 +1000, wrote:

Yes, that not as good as with those with
symptoms, but it¢s a lot better than nothing.

Pinning all your hopes on a talisman is _not_ "a lot better than nothing".

o What Ever Happened to Digital Contact Tracing?
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-ever-happened-digital-contact-tracing

"It will be an uphill battle even to hit the 10 percent mark in America"

"Under a range of assumptions, the percentage of the population needed
to be enrolled in automated contact tracing for outbreak control (Re1)
was estimated (eg, 40%-60% uptake required for Re1, assuming a 30% mean
transmission probability per contact event, if 75%-95% actively confirm
when they get infected"

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:12:14 +1000, wrote:

Yes, that not as good as with those with
symptoms, but it¢s a lot better than nothing.

Pinning all your hopes on

No one is pinning all their hopes on an app.

It is JUST a useful addition to what else is done about the virus.

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:36:19 +1000, wrote:

No one is pinning all their hopes on an app.

Good, because handing them a voodoo doll would work as well.

"Evidence for the use of automated or partly automated contact-tracing
tools to contain severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2
is scarce."
--
REFERENCE
o Automated and partly automated contact tracing: a systematic review to
inform the control of COVID-19
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30184-9/fulltext

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:36:19 +1000, wrote:

No one is pinning all their hopes on an app.

Good, because handing them a voodoo doll would work as well.

Repeating that mindless silly **** changes nothing.

"Evidence for the use of automated or partly automated
contact-tracing tools to contain severe acute respiratory
syndrome coronavirus 2 is scarce."

Bull**** it is with all of South Korea, New Zealand,
Australia, Taiwan, Singapore etc etc etc.
--
REFERENCE
o Automated and partly automated contact tracing: a systematic review to
inform the control of COVID-19
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30184-9/fulltext

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:31:14 +1000, wrote:

Note "nearly half" of those then infected, are likely repeating the cycle!

That doesn¢t say that.

Those half who are infectious who don't know it, are gonna pass it on to
others, half of whom will also be infectious and don't know it, and they'll
pass it on to others, who won't know it, ad infinitum.

Your entire plan requires Providence to step in, Rod Speed, for it to work.
o For example, I've been to the MD and they don't require a test.

The apps won't catch any of these people, Rod Speed.
o Unless, as you suggest, Providence steps in to make your system work.

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:26:29 +1000, wrote:

Repeating that mindless silly **** changes nothing.

You're the one claiming that South Korea, for example, has an infection
rate that is affected by the apps when there isn't any evidence that it's
even possible.

In fact, all the evidence shows that it's just not possible that the apps
have _any_ effect on the infection rates, so that's why the apps are as
effective as holding a placebo in your hands and chanting hymns.

What you're claiming, Rod Speed, in effect, is that because the South
Koreans have had nice results, it's because of (pick one, any one).

If you happen to pick the fact they speak Korean, then your entire "plan"
depends on getting the entire world to speak Korean.

That's essentially your plan.
o You may as well just hand everyone a rosary & a prayer book, Rod Speed.
--
The effect will be exactly the same.

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:31:14 +1000, wrote:

Note "nearly half" of those then infected, are likely repeating the
cycle!

That doesn¢t say that.

Those half who are infectious who don't know it,

It hasn’t been established that it is anything like half,
and even if it was, its still better to suggest to those
who have been close enough to the other half for long
enough to get tested if they turn out to be positive.

are gonna pass it on to others, half of whom will
also be infectious and don't know it, and they'll pass
it on to others, who won't know it, ad infinitum.

But there will still be the other half if
that half claim is valid, which it isnt.

Your entire plan requires Providence to step in, for it to work.

Bull**** it does to be useful.

o For example, I've been to the
MD and they don't require a test.

Irrelevant to those who do, and hospitals that do and employers who do.

The apps won't catch any of these people,

Wrong as always and it can certainly catch the others and so be useful.

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:26:29 +1000, wrote:

You're the one claiming that South Korea, for example,
has an infection rate that is affected by the apps when
there isn't any evidence that it's even possible.

Of course it is possible, ****wit.

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 13:53:04 +1000, wrote:

Of course it is possible, ****wit.

So is a placebo, Rod Speed.

And grow up, will you on the name calling.

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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 13:53:04 +1000, wrote:

Of course it is possible, ****wit.

And grow up, will you on the name calling.

It isn't name calling, it’s a statement of fact, ****wit.

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On 17/09/2020 7:27 am, Rod Speed wrote:


"Arlen** Holder" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 04:42:31 +1000,* wrote:

That's your pig ignorant lie. They work even better with those,

You need to do a little light reading on the topic.

Nope, already done that.

So you're replying to the guy like he was addressing you - when he replied to %%. Ergo the poster
claiming %% is you was right.

Good to know.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

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Arlen Holder submitted this idea :
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:27:32 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

Sure, like everything else, it is not perfect, but that's no reason to
discourage people from using such a measure if they want to.

These aren't "my" concerns; they're the concerns of a _lot_ of people.

My phone is a landline phone, so they are not 'my' concerns either.

If I had one so equipped, I would not consider it as helping society so
much as helping myself and my circle of friends and encounters in
mandatory 'socializing' like in shopping for food and such. I "might"
get an early warning of possible infection if one of my friends or
fellow shoppers gets tested positive and has the app, or if I get a
positive test my friends might get early warning by the same token.

IMO, the downsides are the downsides of having such a phone in the
first place.

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Arlen Holder wrote on 9/16/2020 :
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:12:34 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

There is no difference between the asymptomatic and the presymptomatic
with regard to the app's purpose of helping to trace paths of contagion
spread. It seems to be only a personal risk assessment application and
as with all such risk reduction schemes, it can give a false sense of
security if one misunderstands the purpose.

I still need you to answer a simple sensible question based on logic:
o *How is the app gonna tell _YOU_ asymptomatics were in contact with YOU?*

They can't, because I don't have a smartphone.

Please read this before you respond:
o Nearly Half of Coronavirus Spread May Be Traced to People Without Any
Symptoms https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread/

Still, an asymptomatic can test positive for any number of reasons.
Consider my sister in Sanford, she tested twice even though she was
asymptomatic. Had she tested positive either time they would have
canceled her surgery. If we had smartphones, if we had apps, I would be
notified by the app if I had endured proximity which warranted it.

This might be good for me if someone else tested positive, it might be
good for others in my little world if I tested positive and they got
notified. Just because it is not scalable or perhaps just not widely
acceptable does not mean it is unworthy.

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After serious thinking %% wrote :

"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:12:34 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:

There is no difference between the asymptomatic and the presymptomatic
with regard to the app's purpose of helping to trace paths of contagion
spread. It seems to be only a personal risk assessment application and
as with all such risk reduction schemes, it can give a false sense of
security if one misunderstands the purpose.

I still need you to answer a simple sensible question based on logic:
o *How is the app gonna tell _YOU_ asymptomatics were in contact with YOU?*

When those they infect test positive and the app tells
you that because of that you should get tested.

Please read this before you respond:
o Nearly Half of Coronavirus Spread May Be Traced to People Without Any
Symptoms

Thats because they are PREsymptomatic, not permanently asymptomatic.

Also asymptomatic. That being said, shedding of newly created virus
particles could be called a symptom of hosting the virus while not
having the full-blown 'disease' associated with it.

Covid-19 apps, what a waste
 

%% was thinking very hard :

"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:36:19 +1000, wrote:

No one is pinning all their hopes on an app.

Good, because handing them a voodoo doll would work as well.

Repeating that mindless silly **** changes nothing.

"Evidence for the use of automated or partly automated
contact-tracing tools to contain severe acute respiratory
syndrome coronavirus 2 is scarce."

Bull**** it is with all of South Korea, New Zealand,
Australia, Taiwan, Singapore etc etc etc.

Yes, also evidence has also been scarce that wearing a mask (source
control) has helped a single individual to avoid getting infected. It
is about how large groups of individuals, not individual individuals,
respond to such schemes that matters. Some countries have fewer crazy
people per capita than the USA does, and as such can do the right thing
(whatever they think that is) in greater numbers.

Covid-19 apps, what a waste
 

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 22:52:33 +1200, ~misfit~ wrote:

So you're replying to the guy like he was addressing you - when he replied to %%. Ergo the poster
claiming %% is you was right.

Hi misfit,

When you're on Usenet for decades, as I have been, you get to know how each
of the old timers handle the paddle.

For example, under any nym I could possibly devise, you'd know my posts no
matter what the nym, just as I know Rod Speed's posts by his signature
style.

In Rod's case, it's crystal clear by so many clues that it's not funny.
--
It matters not the Usenet nym; what matters is the brain behind the nym.