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We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna.
Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks |
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wrote in message ... We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Yep, and plenty of mates of mine have done that with their towers. |
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Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 13:45:35 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Yep, and plenty of mates of mine have done that with their towers. What "mates", you hallucinating senile pest? You don't have ANY! The people you see on TV are NOT your mates. Nor are the posters on Usenet that you pester with your senile attitude! It's the very reason why you get up EVERY NIGHT betwenn 01:00 and 04:00 just so you have someone to talk to on Usenet! BG -- Marland revealing the senile sociopath's pathology: "You have mentioned Alexa in a couple of threads recently, it is not a real woman you know even if it is the only thing with a female name that stays around around while you talk it to it. Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from you boring them to death." MID: |
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lowbrowwoman, Birdbrain's eternal senile whore!
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 21:55:31 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: I can categorically state I would not climb to the top, but then I wouldn't climb halfway up either. I know! But you would keep driveling endlessly on Usenet, you weird senile creature! BG |
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks No, the antenna tower is not guyed. Just wondering how the antenna is serviced ? Do workers setup temporary guys ? I was trying to find some examples on U-tube or other to show me how to get up there safely. No the antenna does not come down, all the sections are bolted together. Its a typical home TV tower that you see at rural homes. Looks just like this stuff: https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=ame25b3 |
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says... No, the antenna tower is not guyed. Just wondering how the antenna is serviced ? Do workers setup temporary guys ? I was trying to find some examples on U-tube or other to show me how to get up there safely. No the antenna does not come down, all the sections are bolted together. Its a typical home TV tower that you see at rural homes. Looks just like this stuff: https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=ame25b3 If that tower is made of round tubes and not the flat bars and if it is in about a yard of concrete it would be safe to climb if it is in good shape. There is a tower company called Rohn that makes towers like that. I have one I put up to 60 feet . The base is in a block of concrete that was pored into a hole that is 3 feet deep and 3 feet square. It is safe to climb to the 30 foot level without guy wires. I put up 40 feet, and guyed it at the 30 foot level, then put up the other 30 feet and guyed it about 5 feet from the top. About 30 years ago I helped put up another tower . Two of us were on it at the 30 foot level before any guy wires were put on. Not knowing anything about the history or base of the tower, I doubt I would climb it to the 30 foot level. |
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On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 10:00:06 AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/2/20 8:54 AM, wrote: On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks No, the antenna tower is not guyed. Just wondering how the antenna is serviced ? Do workers setup temporary guys ? I was trying to find some examples on U-tube or other to show me how to get up there safely. No the antenna does not come down, all the sections are bolted together. Its a typical home TV tower that you see at rural homes. Looks just like this stuff: https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=ame25b3 Is there a tool rental place that has a boom or scissor lift nearby? Home Depot, for example. That's the safe way. No one here has even seen this, we have no idea what it was when new, what condition it's in, how it was installed. I wouldn't climb it. I have seen people back a truck up against small towers like that to support it on one side, then use a ladder on the other side. But you wouldn't get me to do that. |
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks No, the antenna tower is not guyed. Just wondering how the antenna is serviced ? Do workers setup temporary guys ? I was trying to find some examples on U-tube or other to show me how to get up there safely. No the antenna does not come down, all the sections are bolted together. Its a typical home TV tower that you see at rural homes. Looks just like this stuff: https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=ame25b3 I installed that type of tower to earn money while in high school and college. I regularly climbed to the 50' level without guy wires and never had an issue. The sections are 10' each so you can tell how deep the base is buried. (eg, if the bottom section is 7' above ground there must be 3' buried). Chances are you could climb yours without issue. Try rocking it side to side. If you can't, adding another 200 pounds of downward force won't do anything. (Yes, I know all the force isn't all downward, but most of it is). Strong winds at the top cause more horizontal force than 200 pounds 1 to 2 feet off-center at the top. If it has survived many years of storms, AND IT IS NOT RUSTY, you can climb it. |
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On 8/2/2020 10:06 AM, Pat wrote:
.... I installed that type of tower to earn money while in high school and college. I regularly climbed to the 50' level without guy wires and never had an issue. The sections are 10' each so you can tell how deep the base is buried. (eg, if the bottom section is 7' above ground there must be 3' buried). Chances are you could climb yours without issue. Try rocking it side to side. If you can't, adding another 200 pounds of downward force won't do anything. (Yes, I know all the force isn't all downward, but most of it is). Strong winds at the top cause more horizontal force than 200 pounds 1 to 2 feet off-center at the top. If it has survived many years of storms, AND IT IS NOT RUSTY, you can climb it. If the tower section itself is buried instead of a rigid mount on a footing, you have no way to know whether it is rotted/rusted out or not until it's too late if is. No way, no how would I risk climbing such of that age and unknown install to that level. As another said, rent a boom truck or the like. The antenna here Dad put up is 2" pipe section for bottom 20-ft with 1" for top...it's on a pivot pin so can drop the top to the ground to work on. I do happen to now have a 40-ft JLG boom lift so I just use it instead as being easier, but without it the obvious solution. Of course, it's not climbable at all. It's withstood the KS wind and tstorms for 40 years with the exception of one near 100-mph night that bent the bottom section about 30 degrees. I heated with acetylene torch and straightened and it's stood up since -- that's been probably close to 15 years since now...had peak winds just other night of 70+ -- rotated the antenna itself a little but tower stood... -- |
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wrote in message ... On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? No, the antenna tower is not guyed. Just wondering how the antenna is serviced ? Do workers setup temporary guys ? Nope, just climb the tower and dont even use any form of safety belt etc usually. I was trying to find some examples on U-tube or other to show me how to get up there safely. Never tried looking there but I wouldnt be surprised if there isnt much because its so obvious. No the antenna does not come down, all the sections are bolted together. Its a typical home TV tower that you see at rural homes. Looks just like this stuff: https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=ame25b3 |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 04:15 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard is out of Bed and TROLLING, already!!!! LOL
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 04:15:45 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread 04:15??? Is your unbearable loneliness not letting you sleep in again, you disgusting trolling senile cretin? -- Bod addressing senile Rot: "Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of trouble." Message-ID: |
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 06:54:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks No, the antenna tower is not guyed. Just wondering how the antenna is serviced ? Do workers setup temporary guys ? I was trying to find some examples on U-tube or other to show me how to get up there safely. No the antenna does not come down, all the sections are bolted together. Its a typical home TV tower that you see at rural homes. Looks just like this stuff: https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=ame25b3 You can rent a man lift that tows behind your truck for a couple hundred bucks, maybe less for a half day or something. In the grand scale of broken bones and other injuries, that is chump change. It is also a lot easier than climbing, tying off and trying to work that way. |
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks Here are some pics of the Antenna: https://ibb.co/WFz9RL0 https://ibb.co/Cvjv9mG |
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wrote in message ... On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Here are some pics of the Antenna: https://ibb.co/WFz9RL0 https://ibb.co/Cvjv9mG That one is tricky to climb, get a bucket truck etc. |
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Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 11:44:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed: "**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll." MID: |
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks What would make it harder to climb than the other types ? Is has cross rungs every 18". Climbing it was easy, just worried if it will hold up if someone climbs to the top to work on the antenna. |
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wrote in message ... On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? What would make it harder to climb than the other types ? The way the cross bracing between the verticals are done. Is has cross rungs every 18". Climbing it was easy, just worried if it will hold up if someone climbs to the top to work on the antenna. Yes it will. |
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Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 04:01:55 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Sqwertz to Rodent Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, Sid wrote:
We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks I need to install a UHF antenna just below the VHF Yaggi, is there room on that post or do I need to rework the antenna post (at the top) ? |
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On 8/2/2020 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks Here are some pics of the Antenna: https://ibb.co/WFz9RL0 https://ibb.co/Cvjv9mG At my age, I would never climb that. In fact reminds me of tower near my brother's house that got struck by lightening and blew out all the electronic equipment in his house. |
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On 8/3/2020 1:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message ... On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high.Â* I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? What would make it harder to climb than the other types ? The way the cross bracing between the verticals are done. Is has cross rungs every 18".Â* Climbing it was easy, just worried if it will hold up if someone climbs to the top to work on the antenna. Yes it will. Unless, of course, it doesn't -- which could be a too-belated piece of knowledge at the point of learning so. It _probably_ will if it has withstood severe wind in the recent past but no way in the world would I consider climbing it (even if were still young enough to feel confident about doing so which is a time long ago past by now but that's a different issue) knowing no more than you say you know about either the installation or the condition of what you can't see. -- |
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, sid wrote:
We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks Base: Blowing up the pic, the bottom section has about 5 - 6 feet sticking above the concrete. If they used 10' sections, 4' should be in the ground ? (determined by counting the sections) I will sweep the leaves away and get a better pic. Attached to the house: NO (just the power and coax cables) Its Free-standing. Climber wearing a harness: Yes I was ! |
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, SID wrote:
We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks OK, Option 3: Looking the picture, the deck in the view is only 1 year old the the base of the floor structure of the deck is only about 15" from the antenna. What if I added bracing from the deck to the antenna to preventing is from flexing under the load of someone climbing it ? The bracing could be temporary, in the event that during storms the antenna would try to flex and rip the deck off the house ? |
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks My family would hang my ass out if I did that ! Probably smart enough not to do it anyway ! |
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wrote in message ... On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, SID wrote: We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks OK, Option 3: Looking the picture, the deck in the view is only 1 year old the the base of the floor structure of the deck is only about 15" from the antenna. What if I added bracing from the deck to the antenna to preventing is from flexing under the load of someone climbing it ? The bracing could be temporary, in the event that during storms the antenna would try to flex and rip the deck off the house ? Lot simpler and safer to use a bucket truck or bucket lift if its convenient to get it there. |
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"Jim Joyce" wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 08:20:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, SID wrote: We have a triangular Antenna tower that is about 40 years old and stands about 30' high. I climbed 1/2 up to repair that security light that was mounted on it, but was Leary about climbing the entire height to work on the antenna. Should I be concerned about climbing all the way to the antenna ? its not rusted out, but I am just concerned about how well its anchored in concrete. I was not there when it was erected, so I don't know if they secured it w/cables while attaching the upper sections and antenna. Are those antennas designed to hold the weight of a 200 lb person at the top ? Thanks OK, Option 3: Looking the picture, the deck in the view is only 1 year old the the base of the floor structure of the deck is only about 15" from the antenna. What if I added bracing from the deck to the antenna to preventing is from flexing under the load of someone climbing it ? The bracing could be temporary, in the event that during storms the antenna would try to flex and rip the deck off the house ? I look at it this way. If you were still the 20-year old version of yourself, would you hesitate to climb the tower? Probably not, so the answer is obvious. Find a 20-something to climb the tower. Keep it in the family to reduce the legal liability. A son/grandson/nephew would be ideal. Trouble with that approach if that if they come off the tower and get killed, how would you feel then ? |
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Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 05:45:29 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- dennis@home to retarded senile Rot: "sod off rod you don't have a clue about anything." Message-ID: |
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Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 05:43:29 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Marland revealing the senile sociopath's pathology: "You have mentioned Alexa in a couple of threads recently, it is not a real woman you know even if it is the only thing with a female name that stays around around while you talk it to it. Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from you boring them to death." MID: |
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Found a bucket trailer for rent at $250 a day ? (50' reach)
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The lift is near me, $250 all day or $185 for 4 hours.
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lowbrowwoman, Birdbrain's eternal senile whore!
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 21:14:30 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: How much does it weigh? The neighborhood handyman pruned the trees last year and rented a massive, self-propelled lift. I've no idea what it grossed but it left 6" deep ruts in the lawn, something a normal pickup never did. He filled the ruts this spring and I seeded them but I can still feel the bump with the lawnmower. And last not least: you can STILL blather about it on Usenet, senile gossip! BG |
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