On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

--
Bod

And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to him!
Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and catch up
with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and if you start
doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing you're not going
to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the place to start is with
all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start with the cops trying to
pull someone over for making an illegal turn or similar, they won't stop,
so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public roads. That puts many lives
at risk, but the cops do it regularly and sometimes innocent people, the cops
or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created not
by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about getting
drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think about
complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a relatively minor
charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the cop's taser, that
created the awful situation for everyone involved. And the cop that fired,
he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do, not hours or minutes.
Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black community won't make that
part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone that they need to cooperate
with police. Instead it's all supposed to be the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.

On 16/06/2020 20:33, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

--
Bod

And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to him!
Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and catch up
with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and if you start
doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing you're not going
to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the place to start is with
all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start with the cops trying to
pull someone over for making an illegal turn or similar, they won't stop,
so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public roads. That puts many lives
at risk, but the cops do it regularly and sometimes innocent people, the cops
or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created not
by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about getting
drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think about
complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a relatively minor
charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the cop's taser, that
created the awful situation for everyone involved. And the cop that fired,
he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do, not hours or minutes.
Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black community won't make that
part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone that they need to cooperate
with police. Instead it's all supposed to be the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.

Ok, but the way I saw it, the guy just wanted to get away from the
cops. I would've let him go and called for backup. The cops had his car
and video evidence. Yes the guy was very stupid, but didn't warrant
shooting him, especially when he was obviously running away, IMO.


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On 06/16/2020 01:33 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

--
Bod

And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to him!
Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and catch up
with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and if you start
doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing you're not going
to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the place to start is with
all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start with the cops trying to
pull someone over for making an illegal turn or similar, they won't stop,
so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public roads. That puts many lives
at risk, but the cops do it regularly and sometimes innocent people, the cops
or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created not
by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about getting
drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think about
complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a relatively minor
charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the cop's taser, that
created the awful situation for everyone involved. And the cop that fired,
he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do, not hours or minutes.
Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black community won't make that
part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone that they need to cooperate
with police. Instead it's all supposed to be the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.


https://miningawareness.wordpress.co...rd-fraud-more/


Take it with the usual grain of salt but if he was paroled because of
COVID he probably would have been violated back in. I don't know about
GA law but I would assume he chalked up a few felonies on his way out.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:56:11 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/16/2020 01:33 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

--
Bod

And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to him!
Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and catch up
with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and if you start
doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing you're not going
to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the place to start is with
all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start with the cops trying to
pull someone over for making an illegal turn or similar, they won't stop,
so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public roads. That puts many lives
at risk, but the cops do it regularly and sometimes innocent people, the cops
or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created not
by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about getting
drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think about
complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a relatively minor
charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the cop's taser, that
created the awful situation for everyone involved. And the cop that fired,
he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do, not hours or minutes.
Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black community won't make that
part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone that they need to cooperate
with police. Instead it's all supposed to be the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.


https://miningawareness.wordpress.co...rd-fraud-more/


Take it with the usual grain of salt but if he was paroled because of
COVID he probably would have been violated back in. I don't know about
GA law but I would assume he chalked up a few felonies on his way out.
This is all conjecture. What we FO know is he was shot while running
away - he was no longer a threat and the shooting was "unwarranted"
according to the law. We also know the 2 officers involved had spotty
records, at best.This was the 48th "officer-involved shooting"
investigated by the GBI in 2020, fifteen of which were fatal.

Brooks' criminal record, shows several charges of theft, obstructing
an officer, battery on a family member, and other misdemeanors. His
work record was excellent. No DUI or drug charges on his record either
in Georgia or Ohio.

Clare Snyder submitted this idea :
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:56:11 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/16/2020 01:33 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist
and he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would
you stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

--
Bod

And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to
him! Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and
catch up with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and
if you start doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing
you're not going to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the
place to start is with all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start
with the cops trying to pull someone over for making an illegal turn or
similar, they won't stop, so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public
roads. That puts many lives at risk, but the cops do it regularly and
sometimes innocent people, the cops or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created
not by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about
getting drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think
about complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a
relatively minor charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the
cop's taser, that created the awful situation for everyone involved. And
the cop that fired, he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do,
not hours or minutes. Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black
community won't make that part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone
that they need to cooperate with police. Instead it's all supposed to be
the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.


https://miningawareness.wordpress.co...rd-fraud-more/


Take it with the usual grain of salt but if he was paroled because of
COVID he probably would have been violated back in. I don't know about
GA law but I would assume he chalked up a few felonies on his way out.
This is all conjecture. What we FO know is he was shot while running
away

....and firing a weapon at police.

- he was no longer a threat and the shooting was "unwarranted"
according to the law. We also know the 2 officers involved had spotty
records, at best.This was the 48th "officer-involved shooting"
investigated by the GBI in 2020, fifteen of which were fatal.

Brooks' criminal record, shows several charges of theft, obstructing
an officer, battery on a family member, and other misdemeanors. His
work record was excellent. No DUI or drug charges on his record either
in Georgia or Ohio.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:42:16 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

Clare Snyder submitted this idea :
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:56:11 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/16/2020 01:33 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist
and he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would
you stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?


He already HAD backup. There were two of Atlanta's worst on scene
--
Bod

And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to
him! Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and
catch up with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and
if you start doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing
you're not going to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the
place to start is with all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start
with the cops trying to pull someone over for making an illegal turn or
similar, they won't stop, so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public
roads. That puts many lives at risk, but the cops do it regularly and
sometimes innocent people, the cops or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created
not by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about
getting drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think
about complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a
relatively minor charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the
cop's taser, that created the awful situation for everyone involved. And
the cop that fired, he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do,
not hours or minutes. Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black
community won't make that part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone
that they need to cooperate with police. Instead it's all supposed to be
the fault of racist, white cops.


With a much higher number of complaints against either of them than
any police force here would stand for without sidelining them

There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.


https://miningawareness.wordpress.co...rd-fraud-more/




One case 7 years ago - appears to have been a domestic with 4 charges.
Another case a year previous - 3 charges. - appears to all be related
to him being in posession of some stolen goods -which appear to have
been "government property" - which got him unto a dispute with the
cops

Both cases would likely have netted a white guy in georgia less than
2 years in jail.
The domestic APPEARS to hve been related to custody or access to a
child after just getting out of jail

All in all definitely NOT a dangerous offender - and he kept his nose
clean for the several years he was in Ohio. It appears Atlanta was
"toxic" to him
Take it with the usual grain of salt but if he was paroled because of
COVID he probably would have been violated back in. I don't know about
GA law but I would assume he chalked up a few felonies on his way out.
This is all conjecture.

All racist stereotype conjecture - and NO indication he was parolled
out because of covid. Your ASS U Mtions are clearly noted.


What we FO know is he was shot while running
away

...and firing a weapon at police.

- he was no longer a threat and the shooting was "unwarranted"
according to the law. We also know the 2 officers involved had spotty
records, at best.This was the 48th "officer-involved shooting"
investigated by the GBI in 2020, fifteen of which were fatal.

Brooks' criminal record, shows several charges of theft, obstructing
an officer, battery on a family member, and other misdemeanors. His
work record was excellent. No DUI or drug charges on his record either
in Georgia or Ohio.
The cop had comitted MORE actual crimes than the victim, prior to
their interaction. More cases of assoult and simple battery - and
quite likely more cases of recieving stolen goods and even dui. Look
up the record of each cop involved anf get back to us.

On 06/16/2020 10:42 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
Brooks' criminal record, shows several charges of theft, obstructing
an officer, battery on a family member, and other misdemeanors. His
work record was excellent. No DUI or drug charges on his record either
in Georgia or Ohio.

Yeah, he was a good boy, dindu nuthin. Well, maybe there was that
beating the **** out of kid thang, but he was a hard worker and showed
up at work most days. Sung in the choir too.

Now if you were looking at the Dallas guy who actually did sing in the
choir you might have something.

On 06/17/2020 06:23 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
All racist stereotype conjecture - and NO indication he was parolled
out because of covid. Your ASS U Mtions are clearly noted.

Your ASS U Mtions would fill a 400 page book. Do black felons excite you?

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 10:44:55 PM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 20:33, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

--
Bod

And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to him!
Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and catch up
with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and if you start
doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing you're not going
to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the place to start is with
all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start with the cops trying to
pull someone over for making an illegal turn or similar, they won't stop,
so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public roads. That puts many lives
at risk, but the cops do it regularly and sometimes innocent people, the cops
or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created not
by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about getting
drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think about
complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a relatively minor
charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the cop's taser, that
created the awful situation for everyone involved. And the cop that fired,
he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do, not hours or minutes.
Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black community won't make that
part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone that they need to cooperate
with police. Instead it's all supposed to be the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.

Ok, but the way I saw it, the guy just wanted to get away from the
cops. I would've let him go and called for backup.

If you let him go, why do you need backup? And if you find him 10 mins
later, with the taser, what's different then? I agree the cops could have
handled it differently, but when you turn around and point a taser that
can put an eye out at a cop and you wind up dead, it's death by stupidity
and I doubt you'll find a jury that will convict the cop. I think the cop
that shot him was not the cop that lost the taser. The defense could be
that the cop didn't know what the perp had grabbed, that he thought it was
or could have been his fellow officer's pistol.




The cops had his car
and video evidence. Yes the guy was very stupid, but didn't warrant
shooting him, especially when he was obviously running away, IMO.

Stupid doesn't warrant shooting. Pointing a taser or anything similar
at a cop likely does.






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trader_4 formulated on Wednesday :
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 10:44:55 PM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 20:33, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist
and he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would
you stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

--
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And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to
him! Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and
catch up with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and
if you start doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing
you're not going to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the
place to start is with all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start
with the cops trying to pull someone over for making an illegal turn or
similar, they won't stop, so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public
roads. That puts many lives at risk, but the cops do it regularly and
sometimes innocent people, the cops or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created
not by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about
getting drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think
about complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a
relatively minor charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the
cop's taser, that created the awful situation for everyone involved. And
the cop that fired, he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do,
not hours or minutes. Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black
community won't make that part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone
that they need to cooperate with police. Instead it's all supposed to be
the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.

Ok, but the way I saw it, the guy just wanted to get away from the
cops. I would've let him go and called for backup.

If you let him go, why do you need backup? And if you find him 10 mins
later, with the taser, what's different then? I agree the cops could have
handled it differently, but when you turn around and point a taser that
can put an eye out at a cop and you wind up dead, it's death by stupidity
and I doubt you'll find a jury that will convict the cop. I think the cop
that shot him was not the cop that lost the taser. The defense could be
that the cop didn't know what the perp had grabbed, that he thought it was
or could have been his fellow officer's pistol.




The cops had his car
and video evidence. Yes the guy was very stupid, but didn't warrant
shooting him, especially when he was obviously running away, IMO.

Stupid doesn't warrant shooting. Pointing a taser or anything similar
at a cop likely does.

Then again, it would have been better for me had they shown the whole
thing where he goes up to the dying man and kicks him and/or stands on
the dying man's shoulders.

I think we should wait for the trial on this one too. No need for any
new signage, just use the old lame "Hand's up don't shoot!" one's -
they are always in style.

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 11:33:19 AM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
trader_4 formulated on Wednesday :
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 10:44:55 PM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 20:33, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist
and he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would
you stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

--
Bod

And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not do?
Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close to
him! Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away and
catch up with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally do and
if you start doing it, then every bad guy will just run away, knowing
you're not going to pursue. If you want to get upset about that, the
place to start is with all the high speed pursuits. Many of those start
with the cops trying to pull someone over for making an illegal turn or
similar, they won't stop, so the cops chase them down at 100MPH on public
roads. That puts many lives at risk, but the cops do it regularly and
sometimes innocent people, the cops or the perp are killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created
not by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about
getting drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think
about complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a
relatively minor charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the
cop's taser, that created the awful situation for everyone involved. And
the cop that fired, he had a second or so to react, to decide what to do,
not hours or minutes. Another death by stupidity. But sadly the black
community won't make that part of their BLM campaign, to message everyone
that they need to cooperate with police. Instead it's all supposed to be
the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.

Ok, but the way I saw it, the guy just wanted to get away from the
cops. I would've let him go and called for backup.

If you let him go, why do you need backup? And if you find him 10 mins
later, with the taser, what's different then? I agree the cops could have
handled it differently, but when you turn around and point a taser that
can put an eye out at a cop and you wind up dead, it's death by stupidity
and I doubt you'll find a jury that will convict the cop. I think the cop
that shot him was not the cop that lost the taser. The defense could be
that the cop didn't know what the perp had grabbed, that he thought it was
or could have been his fellow officer's pistol.




The cops had his car
and video evidence. Yes the guy was very stupid, but didn't warrant
shooting him, especially when he was obviously running away, IMO.

Stupid doesn't warrant shooting. Pointing a taser or anything similar
at a cop likely does.

Then again, it would have been better for me had they shown the whole
thing where he goes up to the dying man and kicks him and/or stands on
the dying man's shoulders.

I think we should wait for the trial on this one too. No need for any
new signage, just use the old lame "Hand's up don't shoot!" one's -
they are always in style.

One thing that sure looks clear to me is that the prosecutors also charging
the cop who didn't shoot him is nothing more than mob rule. Only one cop
shot him, WTF did the other one do that was wrong, that deserves being
charged? Cops in Atlanta are starting to call out sick and the lameo
mayor just appealed to them to honor their duties. I suggest she's the one
that should honor her duties and not be throwing cops under the bus, like
this poor ******* that just got charged.

trader_4 explained :
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 11:33:19 AM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
trader_4 formulated on Wednesday :
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 10:44:55 PM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 20:33, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 16/06/2020 14:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist
and he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest
and taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have
fired it too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for
DWI. He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't
learn. It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything.
Would you stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and
have killed. Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live
with that, because some jerk chooses to go crazy?



Brooks was running away from the officer. Why not let him run and then
call for backup?

--
Bod

And what are the backup cops going to do that the two there could not
do? Heh, come help us! He has a taser and we're not going to get close
to him! Yeah, they could have handled it by just letting him run away
and catch up with him another day. But that isn't what cops generally
do and if you start doing it, then every bad guy will just run away,
knowing you're not going to pursue. If you want to get upset about
that, the place to start is with all the high speed pursuits. Many of
those start with the cops trying to pull someone over for making an
illegal turn or similar, they won't stop, so the cops chase them down
at 100MPH on public roads. That puts many lives at risk, but the cops
do it regularly and sometimes innocent people, the cops or the perp are
killed.

Again, this is an example of a highly toxic, volatile situation created
not by the cops, but by a very stupid guy. He had hours to think about
getting drunk and maybe drugged up and driving. He had minutes to think
about complying and allowing the cops to arrest him for a DWI, a
relatively minor charge. Instead he chose to resist and then grab the
cop's taser, that created the awful situation for everyone involved.
And the cop that fired, he had a second or so to react, to decide what
to do, not hours or minutes. Another death by stupidity. But sadly
the black community won't make that part of their BLM campaign, to
message everyone that they need to cooperate with police. Instead it's
all supposed to be the fault of racist, white cops.


There is an argument to be made that this guy really wasn't going
anywhere and they could find him later, the same argument that tells
police not to get in high speed pursuits for non violent criminals but
that is not really how cops think.
If you point a weapon at them, they are going to shoot.
Maybe the real answer is to make resisting arrest and fighting with
the cops a more serious offense if you are not going to let the cops
fight back. Without an evidentiary test, usually performed at the
station, the roadside test is really only to provide probable cause
for an arrest and is usually not enough to convict on the DUI, so
running and taking the misdemeanor for eluding might have been a
better thing to do, at least in this guy's mind.
That would be particularly true if this is not his first DUI.

Ok, but the way I saw it, the guy just wanted to get away from the
cops. I would've let him go and called for backup.

If you let him go, why do you need backup? And if you find him 10 mins
later, with the taser, what's different then? I agree the cops could have
handled it differently, but when you turn around and point a taser that
can put an eye out at a cop and you wind up dead, it's death by stupidity
and I doubt you'll find a jury that will convict the cop. I think the cop
that shot him was not the cop that lost the taser. The defense could be
that the cop didn't know what the perp had grabbed, that he thought it was
or could have been his fellow officer's pistol.




The cops had his car
and video evidence. Yes the guy was very stupid, but didn't warrant
shooting him, especially when he was obviously running away, IMO.

Stupid doesn't warrant shooting. Pointing a taser or anything similar
at a cop likely does.

Then again, it would have been better for me had they shown the whole
thing where he goes up to the dying man and kicks him and/or stands on
the dying man's shoulders.

I think we should wait for the trial on this one too. No need for any
new signage, just use the old lame "Hand's up don't shoot!" one's -
they are always in style.

One thing that sure looks clear to me is that the prosecutors also charging
the cop who didn't shoot him is nothing more than mob rule. Only one cop
shot him, WTF did the other one do that was wrong, that deserves being
charged?

Apparently neither cops rendered aid to the victim after he was shot. I
heard the 'other' cop is going to testify against the first one, but I
don't know what for yet.


Cops in Atlanta are starting to call out sick and the lameo
mayor just appealed to them to honor their duties. I suggest she's the one
that should honor her duties and not be throwing cops under the bus, like
this poor ******* that just got charged.

With that defunding thing, I think many cops will be glad to not have
to go on 'domestic dispute' calls anymore. Now, how many social workers
have to die before they have the legal standing to protect themselves.

On 06/18/2020 12:35 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
With that defunding thing, I think many cops will be glad to not have to
go on 'domestic dispute' calls anymore. Now, how many social workers
have to die before they have the legal standing to protect themselves.

There have been a few cops in my family and I think they would rather
respond to an active shooter than a domestic. Most of the time the
husband and wife will declare a truce to attack the cop.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:15:16 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/18/2020 12:35 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
With that defunding thing, I think many cops will be glad to not have to
go on 'domestic dispute' calls anymore. Now, how many social workers
have to die before they have the legal standing to protect themselves.

There have been a few cops in my family and I think they would rather
respond to an active shooter than a domestic. Most of the time the
husband and wife will declare a truce to attack the cop.

Yup - brother-on-law, nephew, 2 cousins and uncle all HATED domestics
- said they were the most dangerous because they were so emotionally
charged and unpredictable - with nobody thinking straight