On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been some
that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser on
someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 2:03:27 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I'd probably rather be tased by a cop than some random drunk.

My first choice, of course, would be not to be tased at all.

Cindy Hamilton

on 6/16/2020, Ralph Mowery supposed :
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been some
that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser on
someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

It doesn't seem to matter whether they step on thier necks or taser
them, if they have a heart attack while subdued they'll charge the cops
with murder.

On 06/16/2020 12:32 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been some
that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser on
someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.



It happens but a LE Taser has a range of about 35'. Sop running after
him, problem solved.

On 06/16/2020 05:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 6/16/2020, Ralph Mowery supposed :
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT
will be an interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been
some that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser
on someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

It doesn't seem to matter whether they step on thier necks or taser
them, if they have a heart attack while subdued they'll charge the cops
with murder.

I've got think some have stroked out just being cuffed knowing all those
wants and warrants just came home to roost. Chemical cocktails and
adrenaline overload can be unhealthy.

On 06/16/2020 12:56 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 2:03:27 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I'd probably rather be tased by a cop than some random drunk.

My first choice, of course, would be not to be tased at all.

There's about a 50/50 chance of either of them hitting you unless it's
point blank range.

Or there is that transit cop a few years ago who apparently couldn't
tell her left from her right and tased the suspect with a 9mm.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

rbowman wrote on 6/16/2020 :
On 06/16/2020 05:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 6/16/2020, Ralph Mowery supposed :
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT
will be an interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been
some that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser
on someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

It doesn't seem to matter whether they step on thier necks or taser
them, if they have a heart attack while subdued they'll charge the cops
with murder.

I've got think some have stroked out just being cuffed knowing all those
wants and warrants just came home to roost. Chemical cocktails and adrenaline
overload can be unhealthy.

Yes, it is very uncomfortable being cuffed, I suppose even moreso if
'musclebound' and a rush of adrenaline might come from the realization
that you might be going back to prison, especially if you were just
recently released.

People are too quick to blame the cops IMO. Won't even wait until trial
to declare "Bad Cop" and demand immediate justice A.K.A a lynching.

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 04:45:23 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

Actually the cowboy likely has about ten times the chance - he's
actually used the weapon before.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:50:15 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

rbowman wrote on 6/16/2020 :
On 06/16/2020 05:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 6/16/2020, Ralph Mowery supposed :
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT
will be an interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been
some that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser
on someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

It doesn't seem to matter whether they step on thier necks or taser
them, if they have a heart attack while subdued they'll charge the cops
with murder.

I've got think some have stroked out just being cuffed knowing all those
wants and warrants just came home to roost. Chemical cocktails and adrenaline
overload can be unhealthy.

Yes, it is very uncomfortable being cuffed, I suppose even moreso if
'musclebound' and a rush of adrenaline might come from the realization
that you might be going back to prison, especially if you were just
recently released.

People are too quick to blame the cops IMO. Won't even wait until trial
to declare "Bad Cop" and demand immediate justice A.K.A a lynching.
Lynching is what the cops did to Brooks. He didn't get a trial and
he's DEAD. The cops would just end up either behind a desk, off with
pay (suspended) or possibly fired - and jailed if found guilty of
murder.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?
To slow them down - and according to the cops it is not a "weapon"
but a "tool" - which THEY tend to use rather indiscriminately

On 06/17/2020 05:50 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
rbowman wrote on 6/16/2020 :
On 06/16/2020 05:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 6/16/2020, Ralph Mowery supposed :
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT
will be an interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been
some that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser
on someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

It doesn't seem to matter whether they step on thier necks or taser
them, if they have a heart attack while subdued they'll charge the cops
with murder.

I've got think some have stroked out just being cuffed knowing all
those wants and warrants just came home to roost. Chemical cocktails
and adrenaline overload can be unhealthy.

Yes, it is very uncomfortable being cuffed, I suppose even moreso if
'musclebound' and a rush of adrenaline might come from the realization
that you might be going back to prison, especially if you were just
recently released.

People are too quick to blame the cops IMO. Won't even wait until trial
to declare "Bad Cop" and demand immediate justice A.K.A a lynching.

Some of those innocent traffic stops start going south when the NCIC QW
query comes back with five pages of wants and warrants.

On 06/17/2020 06:26 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:50:15 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

rbowman wrote on 6/16/2020 :
On 06/16/2020 05:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 6/16/2020, Ralph Mowery supposed :
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT
will be an interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been
some that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser
on someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

It doesn't seem to matter whether they step on thier necks or taser
them, if they have a heart attack while subdued they'll charge the cops
with murder.

I've got think some have stroked out just being cuffed knowing all those
wants and warrants just came home to roost. Chemical cocktails and adrenaline
overload can be unhealthy.

Yes, it is very uncomfortable being cuffed, I suppose even moreso if
'musclebound' and a rush of adrenaline might come from the realization
that you might be going back to prison, especially if you were just
recently released.

People are too quick to blame the cops IMO. Won't even wait until trial
to declare "Bad Cop" and demand immediate justice A.K.A a lynching.
Lynching is what the cops did to Brooks. He didn't get a trial and
he's DEAD. The cops would just end up either behind a desk, off with
pay (suspended) or possibly fired - and jailed if found guilty of
murder.


Brooks lynched himself by assaulting a cop, stealing a taser, and
attempting to use it on another cop. Personally, I would have let the
fool run and been at his crib at 8AM the next morning to bring him in on
the several felonies he committed in his hopped up state. Shooting him
was bad optics.

On 06/17/2020 02:45 AM, micky wrote:
I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

Intent, micky, intent.

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 2:03:27 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

Bricks can be non-lethal or lethal. I suppose cops should just take that
incoming and not eliminate the potentially deadly threat too. IDK that
authorities claimed that tasers are always non-lethal, just that they
usually are. And some asshole like this perp, untrained and using it to
attack could put a cop's eye out. He's dead, he died of stupidity, screw
him.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 8:26:45 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:50:15 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

rbowman wrote on 6/16/2020 :
On 06/16/2020 05:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 6/16/2020, Ralph Mowery supposed :
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT
will be an interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been
some that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser
on someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

It doesn't seem to matter whether they step on thier necks or taser
them, if they have a heart attack while subdued they'll charge the cops
with murder.

I've got think some have stroked out just being cuffed knowing all those
wants and warrants just came home to roost. Chemical cocktails and adrenaline
overload can be unhealthy.

Yes, it is very uncomfortable being cuffed, I suppose even moreso if
'musclebound' and a rush of adrenaline might come from the realization
that you might be going back to prison, especially if you were just
recently released.

People are too quick to blame the cops IMO. Won't even wait until trial
to declare "Bad Cop" and demand immediate justice A.K.A a lynching.
Lynching is what the cops did to Brooks. He didn't get a trial and
he's DEAD. The cops would just end up either behind a desk, off with
pay (suspended) or possibly fired - and jailed if found guilty of
murder.

What BS. This guy resisted arrest, attacked cops and turned and pointed
what is potentially a lethal weapon at them. It can also put an eye out.
Are you gonna volunteer your eyes for some scumbag to shoot at? Give us
a break. He died of stupidity.

I think it was the other cop that shot him. His logical defense could be
that he didn't know what the perp had stolen from his fellow officer,
that he thought it could have been his pistol and when the perp spun around
and pointed something at him, he did his job.

On 6/17/2020 10:22 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/17/2020 06:26 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:50:15 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

rbowman wrote on 6/16/2020 :
On 06/16/2020 05:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 6/16/2020, Ralph Mowery supposed :
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT
will be an interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been
some that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser
on someone and they died.* That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

It doesn't seem to matter whether they step on thier necks or taser
them, if they have a heart attack while subdued they'll charge the
cops
with murder.

I've got think some have stroked out just being cuffed knowing all
those
wants and warrants just came home to roost. Chemical cocktails and
adrenaline
overload can be unhealthy.

Yes, it is very uncomfortable being cuffed, I suppose even moreso if
'musclebound' and a rush of adrenaline might come from the realization
that you might be going back to prison, especially if you were just
recently released.

People are too quick to blame the cops IMO. Won't even wait until trial
to declare "Bad Cop" and demand immediate justice A.K.A a lynching.
*Lynching is what the cops did to Brooks. He didn't get a trial and
he's DEAD. The cops would just end up either behind a desk, off with
pay (suspended) or possibly fired - and jailed if found guilty of
murder.


Brooks lynched himself by assaulting a cop, stealing a taser, and
attempting to use it on another cop. Personally, I would have let the
fool run and been at his crib at 8AM the next morning to bring him in on
the several felonies he committed in his hopped up state. Shooting him
was bad optics.


That was my initial thought too. Sitting at the keyboard, it is a
logical conclusion. However. . .
Having a battle, adrenaline flowing, having my weapon stolen, good
change I'd have popped him too. He could have tased the cop disabling
him, taken his gun and killed him.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?

Let's ask him.

On 06/17/2020 09:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/17/2020 10:22 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/17/2020 06:26 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:50:15 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

rbowman wrote on 6/16/2020 :
On 06/16/2020 05:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 6/16/2020, Ralph Mowery supposed :
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT
will be an interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been
some that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a
taser
on someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

It doesn't seem to matter whether they step on thier necks or taser
them, if they have a heart attack while subdued they'll charge the
cops
with murder.

I've got think some have stroked out just being cuffed knowing all
those
wants and warrants just came home to roost. Chemical cocktails and
adrenaline
overload can be unhealthy.

Yes, it is very uncomfortable being cuffed, I suppose even moreso if
'musclebound' and a rush of adrenaline might come from the realization
that you might be going back to prison, especially if you were just
recently released.

People are too quick to blame the cops IMO. Won't even wait until trial
to declare "Bad Cop" and demand immediate justice A.K.A a lynching.
Lynching is what the cops did to Brooks. He didn't get a trial and
he's DEAD. The cops would just end up either behind a desk, off with
pay (suspended) or possibly fired - and jailed if found guilty of
murder.


Brooks lynched himself by assaulting a cop, stealing a taser, and
attempting to use it on another cop. Personally, I would have let the
fool run and been at his crib at 8AM the next morning to bring him in
on the several felonies he committed in his hopped up state. Shooting
him was bad optics.


That was my initial thought too. Sitting at the keyboard, it is a
logical conclusion. However. . .
Having a battle, adrenaline flowing, having my weapon stolen, good
change I'd have popped him too. He could have tased the cop disabling
him, taken his gun and killed him.

The arm chair warriors need to read Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's 'On Combat'.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/on-...man/1101182779

Time distortion, tunnel vision, muted hearing, the works. Humans have
evolved to go full medieval in situations like that. The logic of
'tasers only have two shots and that one is used up' ain't happening.

I haven't watched any videos and don't know the timeline but there may
have been a point where letting the fool bolt was an option.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?


If he were being charged for tasing them, then his intent could
definitely matter.

But if they are charged with shooting him, his intent doens't matter,
only the amount of danger the cops reasonably thought they were in.


AIUI, he had shot the taser and it missed, and it's not possible to
shoot it again without time-consuming reloading.


I also heard on the radio that when he was lying there dying, one cop
kicked him and another stood on his shoulders, whatever that means.

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:32:26 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?


If he were being charged for tasing them, then his intent could
definitely matter.

But if they are charged with shooting him, his intent doens't matter,
only the amount of danger the cops reasonably thought they were in.


AIUI, he had shot the taser and it missed, and it's not possible to
shoot it again without time-consuming reloading.


I also heard on the radio that when he was lying there dying, one cop
kicked him and another stood on his shoulders, whatever that means.

This should explain it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...urder-n1231305

Here's a video, not a great one, just the press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-hNOkY9klY

Why would he be so angry at a man who didn't give him much trouble
earlier, who he has already shot, that he would kick him? I think the
answer is that he challenged the cop's authority. Cops are happy to not
get involved much of the time, but once they're called to a problem, or
the cop thinks there's a problem, they want to be in charge and they
don't want anyone challenging that. Because of procedure, I suppose,
but largely because of ego and identity.

On 6/18/20 5:02 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:32:26 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?
Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.
I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.
What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?

If he were being charged for tasing them, then his intent could
definitely matter.

But if they are charged with shooting him, his intent doens't matter,
only the amount of danger the cops reasonably thought they were in.


AIUI, he had shot the taser and it missed, and it's not possible to
shoot it again without time-consuming reloading.


I also heard on the radio that when he was lying there dying, one cop
kicked him and another stood on his shoulders, whatever that means.
This should explain it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...urder-n1231305

Here's a video, not a great one, just the press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-hNOkY9klY

Why would he be so angry at a man who didn't give him much trouble
earlier, who he has already shot, that he would kick him? I think the
answer is that he challenged the cop's authority. Cops are happy to not
get involved much of the time, but once they're called to a problem, or
the cop thinks there's a problem, they want to be in charge and they
don't want anyone challenging that. Because of procedure, I suppose,
but largely because of ego and identity.


Why do democrats always make excuses for criminals?

On 06/18/2020 04:08 AM, devnull wrote:
On 6/18/20 5:02 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:32:26 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't
resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police



At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted
arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have
fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't
learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything.
Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?
Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.
I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he
seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.
What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?

If he were being charged for tasing them, then his intent could
definitely matter.

But if they are charged with shooting him, his intent doens't matter,
only the amount of danger the cops reasonably thought they were in.


AIUI, he had shot the taser and it missed, and it's not possible to
shoot it again without time-consuming reloading.


I also heard on the radio that when he was lying there dying, one cop
kicked him and another stood on his shoulders, whatever that means.
This should explain it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...urder-n1231305


Here's a video, not a great one, just the press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-hNOkY9klY

Why would he be so angry at a man who didn't give him much trouble
earlier, who he has already shot, that he would kick him? I think the
answer is that he challenged the cop's authority. Cops are happy to not
get involved much of the time, but once they're called to a problem, or
the cop thinks there's a problem, they want to be in charge and they
don't want anyone challenging that. Because of procedure, I suppose,
but largely because of ego and identity.


Why do democrats always make excuses for criminals?


Birds of a feather?

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/6-...taser-on-them/

"Streeter is charged with aggravated assault for using a Taser against
Young and is also charged with pointing a gun at him, arrest warrants say.

Gardner is charged with aggravated assault for using a Taser against
Pilgrim, a warrant says"


This went down on June 2 prior to the current furor. For context
Streeter and Gardner are the cops... Apparently Georgia law considers a
Taser a deadly weapon unless you are fleeing from the police.

Oh, yeah, Streeter and Gardner are both black as is 61% of the Atlanta
PD. Messiah Young and Taniyah Pilgrim are also black and were attending
a BLM riot, er, protest.

Clare Snyder used his or her keyboard to write :
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:50:15 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

rbowman wrote on 6/16/2020 :
On 06/16/2020 05:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 6/16/2020, Ralph Mowery supposed :
In article , says...

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT
will be an interesting discussion in court.




While most of the time the tasers are not leathal, there have been
some that have died from them.

I met an ex cop that said he was fired mainly because he used a taser
on someone and they died. That was around 30 years ago.

I think they have been sort of improved now to be safer.

It doesn't seem to matter whether they step on thier necks or taser
them, if they have a heart attack while subdued they'll charge the cops
with murder.

I've got think some have stroked out just being cuffed knowing all those
wants and warrants just came home to roost. Chemical cocktails and
adrenaline overload can be unhealthy.

Yes, it is very uncomfortable being cuffed, I suppose even moreso if
'musclebound' and a rush of adrenaline might come from the realization
that you might be going back to prison, especially if you were just
recently released.

People are too quick to blame the cops IMO. Won't even wait until trial
to declare "Bad Cop" and demand immediate justice A.K.A a lynching.
Lynching is what the cops did to Brooks.

Says you, what did the outcome of the trial say?

He didn't get a trial and he's DEAD.

Yes, that's sad, but how did he get into that bad situation?

The cops would just end up either behind a desk, off with
pay (suspended) or possibly fired - and jailed if found guilty of
murder.

If?, yes! Let's see shall we, before convicting them ourselves and
protesting, looting, vandalizing, lynching etc...

micky used his or her keyboard to write :
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?


If he were being charged for tasing them, then his intent could
definitely matter.

But if they are charged with shooting him, his intent doens't matter,
only the amount of danger the cops reasonably thought they were in.

Running away seems to be not endangering the police, but turning and
shooting, not so much.

AIUI, he had shot the taser and it missed, and it's not possible to
shoot it again without time-consuming reloading.

Still a dangerous less than leathal weapon for him to have.

I also heard on the radio that when he was lying there dying, one cop
kicked him and another stood on his shoulders, whatever that means.

Yes, facts do seem to trickle out don't they. Why wasn't that part of
the original story I wonder.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:32:26 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?


If he were being charged for tasing them, then his intent could
definitely matter.

But if they are charged with shooting him, his intent doens't matter,
only the amount of danger the cops reasonably thought they were in.


AIUI, he had shot the taser and it missed, and it's not possible to
shoot it again without time-consuming reloading.


I also heard on the radio that when he was lying there dying, one cop
kicked him and another stood on his shoulders, whatever that means.
And stood there gloating " I got 'im"

He deserves whatever he gets.
Interesting too, that it's the first time in "recent history" where a
white lawman was fired and charged for an offence in atlanta within 24
hours -- Says SOMEONE with pull believes there was something rotten
going on.

Clare Snyder used his or her keyboard to write :
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:32:26 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist
and he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would
you stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?


If he were being charged for tasing them, then his intent could
definitely matter.

But if they are charged with shooting him, his intent doens't matter,
only the amount of danger the cops reasonably thought they were in.


AIUI, he had shot the taser and it missed, and it's not possible to
shoot it again without time-consuming reloading.


I also heard on the radio that when he was lying there dying, one cop
kicked him and another stood on his shoulders, whatever that means.
And stood there gloating " I got 'im"

He deserves whatever he gets.
Interesting too, that it's the first time in "recent history" where a
white lawman was fired and charged for an offence in atlanta within 24
hours -- Says SOMEONE with pull believes there was something rotten
going on.

Yes, riots were going on.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:51:44 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

Clare Snyder used his or her keyboard to write :
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:32:26 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist
and he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would
you stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?


If he were being charged for tasing them, then his intent could
definitely matter.

But if they are charged with shooting him, his intent doens't matter,
only the amount of danger the cops reasonably thought they were in.


AIUI, he had shot the taser and it missed, and it's not possible to
shoot it again without time-consuming reloading.


I also heard on the radio that when he was lying there dying, one cop
kicked him and another stood on his shoulders, whatever that means.
And stood there gloating " I got 'im"

He deserves whatever he gets.
Interesting too, that it's the first time in "recent history" where a
white lawman was fired and charged for an offence in atlanta within 24
hours -- Says SOMEONE with pull believes there was something rotten
going on.

Yes, riots were going on.
Atlanta has had riots before. Bad cops were not fired and charged
within 24 hours.

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:54:18 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

micky used his or her keyboard to write :
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist and
he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest and
taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have fired it
too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for DWI.
He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't learn.
It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything. Would you
stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and have killed.
Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live with that,
because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now suddenly
claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT will be an
interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?


If he were being charged for tasing them, then his intent could
definitely matter.

But if they are charged with shooting him, his intent doens't matter,
only the amount of danger the cops reasonably thought they were in.

Running away seems to be not endangering the police, but turning and
shooting, not so much.

AIUI, he had shot the taser and it missed, and it's not possible to
shoot it again without time-consuming reloading.

Still a dangerous less than leathal weapon for him to have.

I'll give you dollars to donuts he didn't have another unit to reload it
with, and that the cops knew it.

I also heard on the radio that when he was lying there dying, one cop
kicked him and another stood on his shoulders, whatever that means.

Yes, facts do seem to trickle out don't they. Why wasn't that part of
the original story I wonder.

Not sure, might have been in a video that wasn't seen or wasn't publicly
described at first. There is a still that they say shows him kicking
him, but if it's part of a video that would probably be more clear.

On 06/18/2020 09:54 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Yes, facts do seem to trickle out don't they. Why wasn't that part of
the original story I wonder.

Don't let facts stand in your way... I was amused by a story from
Oakland. Some bored guy created a exercise course in a public park, some
of which involved ropes. The dip**** (white, more or less) mayor wants
it investigated as a hate crime.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...crime-n1231405

Newest hate symbol: any rope attached to a tree.

On 06/18/2020 01:04 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
He deserves whatever he gets.
Interesting too, that it's the first time in "recent history" where a
white lawman was fired and charged for an offence in atlanta within 24
hours -- Says SOMEONE with pull believes there was something rotten
going on.

https://www.cbs46.com/news/atlanta-o...23b6df8e3.html

Keisha Lance Bottoms is very even handed. Were I an Atlanta cop I'd sing
a few bars of that old Johnny Paycheck song on my way out the door.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:27:34 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/18/2020 01:04 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
He deserves whatever he gets.
Interesting too, that it's the first time in "recent history" where a
white lawman was fired and charged for an offence in atlanta within 24
hours -- Says SOMEONE with pull believes there was something rotten
going on.

https://www.cbs46.com/news/atlanta-o...23b6df8e3.html

Keisha Lance Bottoms is very even handed. Were I an Atlanta cop I'd sing
a few bars of that old Johnny Paycheck song on my way out the door.
Fired but no criminal charges laid - but kudos to Bottoms for doing
her job

Clare Snyder laid this down on his screen :
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:51:44 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

Clare Snyder used his or her keyboard to write :
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:32:26 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:53:13 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

After serious thinking micky wrote :
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:03:22 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 6/16/2020 6:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Kerik says Rayshard Brooks 'would be alive today if he didn't resist
and he didn't disarm the police officers'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernar...-disarm-police


At what point did Rayshard Brooks disarm the officer?
I wonder how the officer shot Mr Brooks without his gun.
--
Bod

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What he means is that he would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest
and taken the officers's taser and pointed it at him. He may have
fired it too. He also assaulted the cops trying to arrest him for
DWI. He's another example of death by stupidity, but sadly they don't
learn. It's highly unlikely a jury will convict that cop of anything.
Would you stand there and allow him to taser you? Tasers can and
have killed. Suppose he puts your eye out? Are you prepared to live
with that, because some jerk chooses to go crazy?

Cops always claim tasers are non-lethal. You think they can now
suddenly claim they are lethal and get a court to accept that. THAT
will be an interesting discussion in court.

I don't know much about this, and the one video I looked at the man
being chased was out of view afaict at the critical part, but he seemed
to be running away and turning back at the same time. The odds of him
actually hitting the cop with the taser are about as high as in cowboy
movies when one man on horseback turns around, while riding foward and
bouncing up and down, and shoots the guys following him. Who are also
bouncing up and down and moving forward.

What was his intent in firing the weapon in their direction?


If he were being charged for tasing them, then his intent could
definitely matter.

But if they are charged with shooting him, his intent doens't matter,
only the amount of danger the cops reasonably thought they were in.


AIUI, he had shot the taser and it missed, and it's not possible to
shoot it again without time-consuming reloading.


I also heard on the radio that when he was lying there dying, one cop
kicked him and another stood on his shoulders, whatever that means.
And stood there gloating " I got 'im"

He deserves whatever he gets.
Interesting too, that it's the first time in "recent history" where a
white lawman was fired and charged for an offence in atlanta within 24
hours -- Says SOMEONE with pull believes there was something rotten
going on.

Yes, riots were going on.
Atlanta has had riots before. Bad cops were not fired and charged
within 24 hours.

Counterexamples do not disprove the effect that riots have on decisions
made by the authorities.