Has anyone ever used this or do you know about it?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-WF-02...YI/ref=sr_1_27

Remote control, like a car. Were you pleased? When the batteries get
weak, do you know if the door did not get looked? It uses iirc 4 AA
cells. (With a car, one locks the door when he's finished driving so the
car battery is allways strong.)


What about this push-button combination front door lock?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-QF-02...LS/ref=sr_1_19
Any opinions on that? I'd have to lose the key and forget the code to
get locked out


Or what about this one:
https://www.amazon.com/SCYAN-Fingerp...f=sr_1_21_sspa
that uses my fingerprint to let me in. I can't forget that. But does
the model you have in mind recognize a fingerprint immediately or do I
have to wiggle my finger and wait? (It also takes a key and a
combination.) Again batteries, doesn't say how many. (THIS ONE IS FOR
INDOORS BUT THERE IS PROBABLY ONE FOR OUTDOORS.

On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Has anyone ever used this or do you know about it?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-WF-02...YI/ref=sr_1_27

Remote control, like a car. Were you pleased? When the batteries get
weak, do you know if the door did not get looked? It uses iirc 4 AA
cells. (With a car, one locks the door when he's finished driving so the
car battery is allways strong.)

Seems obvious to me that with a dead battery, it's not going to be
able to lock the door.....




What about this push-button combination front door lock?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-QF-02...LS/ref=sr_1_19
Any opinions on that? I'd have to lose the key and forget the code to
get locked out


Or what about this one:
https://www.amazon.com/SCYAN-Fingerp...f=sr_1_21_sspa
that uses my fingerprint to let me in. I can't forget that. But does
the model you have in mind recognize a fingerprint immediately or do I
have to wiggle my finger and wait? (It also takes a key and a
combination.) Again batteries, doesn't say how many. (THIS ONE IS FOR
INDOORS BUT THERE IS PROBABLY ONE FOR OUTDOORS.

I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't one with a fingerprint sensor for
outside, for obvious reasons. And if there was, I wouldn't buy it.
Having a keypad and remote would seem the best combination. Or is there
one that uses NFC so if you have your smartphone it will open automatically?

On 3/9/2020 11:44 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Has anyone ever used this or do you know about it?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-WF-02...YI/ref=sr_1_27

Remote control, like a car. Were you pleased? When the batteries get
weak, do you know if the door did not get looked? It uses iirc 4 AA
cells. (With a car, one locks the door when he's finished driving so the
car battery is allways strong.)

Seems obvious to me that with a dead battery, it's not going to be
able to lock the door.....


Well which direction is "fail safe" -- locked or unlocked?

Did they choose to lock you out or not? Or does it just stay in
present state?

Could be designed as any of the above...

I'm pretty much old school and the fewer such doodads to have to have
the better--albeit will admit the car fob is handy but would I want
another one for the house? Don't think so...but ceratainly wouldn't
want to be interchangeable or something like that. And, I'm not a smart
phone kind of guy to put stuff on apps, either...

--

In article , says...

I'm pretty much old school and the fewer such doodads to have to have
the better--albeit will admit the car fob is handy but would I want
another one for the house? Don't think so...but ceratainly wouldn't
want to be interchangeable or something like that. And, I'm not a smart
phone kind of guy to put stuff on apps, either...




I like the car fob where I just touch the door to lock and unlock it and
start with the push of a button on the dash . I would not want one for
the house, but I have a garage and leave the door to the house unlocked
when away. So a press of the garage door opener and I can get into the
house. I also have a hidden door key and a garage door opener on the
outside wall that a combination will get me in the garage where the
house door is normally open.

I am not too much for the smart phone apps either. I did get a Google
'smart screen' Hay Goodle device for Christmas but have not implimented
it to do anything around the house. Just can not think of what I would
want it to do. I did get a few of the 120 volt plug ins that let me
turn things off and on,but have not found any use for them yet.

On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 12:51:18 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 3/9/2020 11:44 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Has anyone ever used this or do you know about it?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-WF-02...YI/ref=sr_1_27

Remote control, like a car. Were you pleased? When the batteries get
weak, do you know if the door did not get looked? It uses iirc 4 AA
cells. (With a car, one locks the door when he's finished driving so the
car battery is allways strong.)

Seems obvious to me that with a dead battery, it's not going to be
able to lock the door.....


Well which direction is "fail safe" -- locked or unlocked?

Did they choose to lock you out or not? Or does it just stay in
present state?

Could be designed as any of the above...

One would figure that any competent design would have some way of warning
that batteries need to be replaced. It could beep each time it's locked
so you know it's locked. And if the batteries are getting low, it could
instead beep 5 times to warn you. Then I guess at some point either it detects
voltage so low that it stops in one position or the other or it just
stops randomly.



I'm pretty much old school and the fewer such doodads to have to have
the better--albeit will admit the car fob is handy but would I want
another one for the house? Don't think so...but ceratainly wouldn't
want to be interchangeable or something like that. And, I'm not a smart
phone kind of guy to put stuff on apps, either...

--

No rush here to get one either. Also depends on what Micky means by
improve. This is a deadbolt. Is there one there already, with a
regular lockset too? If it was me, one lock is good enough, but
if I was going to have two, I'd have them both keyed the same. And
if I went the electronic route, then either one typical front door
entyr lock that works that way would be enough for me. But if I
did have two, they better both work off the one remote button.

On 3/9/2020 12:30 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 12:51:18 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
....

Well which direction is "fail safe" -- locked or unlocked?

Did they choose to lock you out or not? Or does it just stay in
present state?

Could be designed as any of the above...

One would figure that any competent design would have some way of warning
that batteries need to be replaced. It could beep each time it's locked
so you know it's locked. And if the batteries are getting low, it could
instead beep 5 times to warn you. ...

....

Just what need--yet another fire alarm beeper to alert you of low
battery to go off in middle of the night !

Which reminds, is spring forward again...I _hate_ replacing those
stinkin' bat-trees.

--

On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:14:49 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
[...]


I would look through the LPL Youtube videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZLNQl0bk1c

On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 12:14:43 -0400, micky
wrote:

Has anyone ever used this or do you know about it?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-WF-02...YI/ref=sr_1_27

Remote control, like a car. Were you pleased? When the batteries get
weak, do you know if the door did not get looked? It uses iirc 4 AA
cells. (With a car, one locks the door when he's finished driving so the
car battery is allways strong.)


What about this push-button combination front door lock?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-QF-02...LS/ref=sr_1_19
Any opinions on that? I'd have to lose the key and forget the code to
get locked out


Or what about this one:
https://www.amazon.com/SCYAN-Fingerp...f=sr_1_21_sspa
that uses my fingerprint to let me in. I can't forget that. But does
the model you have in mind recognize a fingerprint immediately or do I
have to wiggle my finger and wait? (It also takes a key and a
combination.) Again batteries, doesn't say how many. (THIS ONE IS FOR
INDOORS BUT THERE IS PROBABLY ONE FOR OUTDOORS.

I like this one. No battery. I have had one on my door since 1971.
https://simplexlock.com/?page=produc...t&linkID=13058

On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 11:51:13 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 3/9/2020 11:44 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Has anyone ever used this or do you know about it?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-WF-02...YI/ref=sr_1_27

Remote control, like a car. Were you pleased? When the batteries get
weak, do you know if the door did not get looked? It uses iirc 4 AA
cells. (With a car, one locks the door when he's finished driving so the
car battery is allways strong.)

Seems obvious to me that with a dead battery, it's not going to be
able to lock the door.....


Well which direction is "fail safe" -- locked or unlocked?

Did they choose to lock you out or not? Or does it just stay in
present state?

My house came with a Kwikset 'Smart Lock'. It takes a standard key, which
none of us carry, and it has a keypad that we all use. It's also Z-Wave
compatible, so we can lock/unlock or check status over the Internet from
anywhere in the world and it's integrated into the alarm system along with
the lights, the thermostat, the garage doors, and more. When the battery
got low, it warned us about 6 weeks in advance of simply shutting down.

Pro: it's very convenient. Everybody gets their own entry code, plus you
can assign one-time entry codes so people such as Amazon drivers can place
a package inside the house. We don't do that. Via the Internet, we can see
if the door is currently locked or unlocked, and we can see a history of
every time it has been locked/unlocked, and we can set it to notify us via
text if it's unlocked after a certain time at night. Since everyone has
their own code, we can see when people/kids come and go.

Con: If I can unlock it over the Internet, in theory so can anyone else.

https://www.kwikset.com/products/ele...ic-smart-locks

Could be designed as any of the above...

I'm pretty much old school and the fewer such doodads to have to have
the better--albeit will admit the car fob is handy but would I want
another one for the house? Don't think so...but ceratainly wouldn't
want to be interchangeable or something like that. And, I'm not a smart
phone kind of guy to put stuff on apps, either...

I think we've traded convenience for security, so you're ahead of us there.

On 3/9/20 6:55 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:

[snip]

Con: If I can unlock it over the Internet, in theory so can anyone else.

And if this uses one of those "voice assistants" Google (or one of those
other big companies) can unlock your door.

[snip]

--
"Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources of
cruelty." [Bertrand Russell, "Unpopular Essays"]

On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:14:49 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
[...]

One thing that might be worthwhile would be to install a
anti-kick reinforcement system. This is usually a set of
long brass plates that mount on the edge of the door and
against the door frame. Most house thieves don't care what
lock you have. They simply kick your door in.

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 14:18:05 -0700 (PDT), Davej
wrote:

On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:14:49 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
[...]

One thing that might be worthwhile would be to install a
anti-kick reinforcement system. This is usually a set of
long brass plates that mount on the edge of the door and
against the door frame. Most house thieves don't care what
lock you have. They simply kick your door in.

That gets addressed in places with a wind code.

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:51:06 -0500, Sam E
wrote:

On 3/9/20 6:55 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:

[snip]

Con: If I can unlock it over the Internet, in theory so can anyone else.

And if this uses one of those "voice assistants" Google (or one of those
other big companies) can unlock your door.

[snip]

A couple of Amazon Echo or Dot devices came with the system but we've left
those things safely tucked away in their original boxes. They are an
optional component, but if we were to plug them in and add them to the
system, then yes, we could lock/unlock or check current status of anything
in the system via voice control, while simultaneously opening another
avenue for potential hacking.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 10 Mar 2020 14:18:05 -0700 (PDT), Davej
wrote:

On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:14:49 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
[...]

One thing that might be worthwhile would be to install a
anti-kick reinforcement system. This is usually a set of
long brass plates that mount on the edge of the door and
against the door frame. Most house thieves don't care what
lock you have. They simply kick your door in.

Thanks. I have those, after someone kicked my door in 35 years ago.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 09 Mar 2020 17:21:11 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 12:14:43 -0400, micky
wrote:

Has anyone ever used this or do you know about it?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-WF-02...YI/ref=sr_1_27

Remote control, like a car. Were you pleased? When the batteries get
weak, do you know if the door did not get looked? It uses iirc 4 AA
cells. (With a car, one locks the door when he's finished driving so the
car battery is allways strong.)


What about this push-button combination front door lock?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-QF-02...LS/ref=sr_1_19
Any opinions on that? I'd have to lose the key and forget the code to
get locked out


Or what about this one:
https://www.amazon.com/SCYAN-Fingerp...f=sr_1_21_sspa
that uses my fingerprint to let me in. I can't forget that. But does
the model you have in mind recognize a fingerprint immediately or do I
have to wiggle my finger and wait? (It also takes a key and a
combination.) Again batteries, doesn't say how many. (THIS ONE IS FOR
INDOORS BUT THERE IS PROBABLY ONE FOR OUTDOORS.

I like this one. No battery. I have had one on my door since 1971.
https://simplexlock.com/?page=produc...t&linkID=13058

If I have to push the buttons, I might as well turn the knob too.

But it looks like the webpage is from 1971 too. In that it says both
"with Key Override" and "Picture may not match selected options" and
there is no keyhole. They are all like this. This one is typical:
https://simplexlock.com/?page=produc...0&linkID=13058

I'm looking for more pages that sell the things, but I have to go to
sleep now.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 09 Mar 2020 18:55:59 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 11:51:13 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 3/9/2020 11:44 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Has anyone ever used this or do you know about it?
https://www.amazon.com/MiLocks-WF-02...YI/ref=sr_1_27

Remote control, like a car. Were you pleased? When the batteries get
weak, do you know if the door did not get looked? It uses iirc 4 AA
cells. (With a car, one locks the door when he's finished driving so the
car battery is allways strong.)

Seems obvious to me that with a dead battery, it's not going to be
able to lock the door.....


BTW, the reason for all this is that I got locked out again last
weekend. 3rd or 4th time in 35 years, but the first time I had to drill
out the lock. Since I need a new lock anyhow, might as well get what I
really want, if I can figure out what that is.

Well which direction is "fail safe" -- locked or unlocked?

Locked! Well, that assumes it was locked!

Did they choose to lock you out or not? Or does it just stay in
present state?

Present state, but there's a keyhole too, for when the battery is dead.

Turns out there is an LED to say when the battery is getting weak.

My house came with a Kwikset 'Smart Lock'. It takes a standard key, which
none of us carry, and it has a keypad that we all use.

That sounds good.

It's also Z-Wave
compatible, so we can lock/unlock or check status over the Internet from
anywhere in the world and it's integrated into the alarm system along with
the lights, the thermostat, the garage doors, and more. When the battery

Wow.

got low, it warned us about 6 weeks in advance of simply shutting down.

That sounds like plenty of time.

Pro: it's very convenient. Everybody gets their own entry code, plus you
can assign one-time entry codes so people such as Amazon drivers can place
a package inside the house. We don't do that. Via the Internet, we can see
if the door is currently locked or unlocked, and we can see a history of
every time it has been locked/unlocked, and we can set it to notify us via
text if it's unlocked after a certain time at night. Since everyone has
their own code, we can see when people/kids come and go.

Con: If I can unlock it over the Internet, in theory so can anyone else.

If they know about it and know where it is. But I'm sure that feature
can be turned off anyhow. I used to turn my computer off whenever I
went out, but Win10 can go for days without restarting and I'll go out
for a few hours and leave it on. But not out of town.

https://www.kwikset.com/products/ele...ic-smart-locks

Could be designed as any of the above...

Wow, some of the locks at the URL work with any of the wirelss methods
listed he https://www.kwikset.com/smart-locks/compatibility
34 of them. Not just wifi and bluetooth. I had no idea ether were so
many

But I don't really want to connect to the computer. Being ready to
receive transmissions will use up the batteries even faster**. But the
same locks work well without internet.


**That would have been true of one that uses a fob too, but I had given
up on the fob. I forget why and now I see there are others that I hadn't
found before.

I'm pretty much old school and the fewer such doodads to have to have
the better--albeit will admit the car fob is handy but would I want
another one for the house? Don't think so...but ceratainly wouldn't
want to be interchangeable or something like that. And, I'm not a smart
phone kind of guy to put stuff on apps, either...

I still don't take the phone with me unless I plan to make a call, or
expect a call, or some special reason, which is not often.

I think we've traded convenience for security, so you're ahead of us there.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 9 Mar 2020 10:51:35 -0700 (PDT), Davej
wrote:

On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 11:14:49 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
[...]


I would look through the LPL Youtube videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZLNQl0bk1c

I looked at the first one. It was very interesting. I did stuff like
this one day when I was still in college.

Summertime convention at a big university, not mine, I was supposed to
be at a meeting but I stayed in the dorm room taking apart the lock and
I made a pass key that fit every room on 3 floors. I didn't steal
anything, however. And I threw away the key.

They used to sell cheap file sets in a vinyl holder, round, flat,
triangular, and square, and the square one was justthe right width for a
typical lock tumbler, the width to file on a key. Even though the file
was cheap, it was good enough for keys.