In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 04 Feb 2020 07:42:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 00:15:57 -0500, micky
wrote:

Schiff's closing speech: 'Is there one among you who will...'
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...r-him-n1128766
Worth listening to.



I have this vision of someone like Mitt Romney -
- jacket off & sleeves rolled up -
silently standing up and holding a crude sign
over his head and turning it for all to see
think Sally Field in Norma Rae
... and slowly and quietly one-by-one
the room begins to stand and applaud.
Finally - Dems and brave Republicans can agree
on a simple but crucial basic tenet of US democracy.
The one-word sign distills the Trump regime
perfectly ....
__ insert something clever here __

John T.

I know what you mean. My vision was someone giving a press interview
after this, and asap to give others time to think about it, and saying
he was voting for conviction. Or better yet, on Wednesday I think the
senators get to talk, doing it there, and one by one others also voting
for conviction, at least 5 of them.

Maybe he's waiting until the last minute so his family won't be
kidnapped or he won't be killed.


"Is there one among you" could be "Is there no one among you who is a
man?"

Republicans whose Term of Service Expires in 2021, some of whom are
retiring anyhow, though I don't know who.

I guess only the ones who are retiring face no political risk, but they
may fear STumpie will try to ruin them in their retirement. (So it's the
ones not up for re-election until 2024 who face the least risk (below)).

Alexander, Lamar (R-TN)
Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)
Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)
Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)
Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Cotton, Tom (R-AR)
Daines, Steve (R-MT)
Enzi, Michael B. (R-WY)
Ernst, Joni (R-IA)
Gardner, Cory (R-CO)
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)
Inhofe, James M. (R-OK)
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)
Perdue, David (R-GA) Loves chicken.
Risch, James E. (R-ID)
Roberts, Pat (R-KS)
Rounds, Mike (R-SD)
Sasse, Ben (R-NE)
Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)
Tillis, Thom (R-NC)

Any other republican was

Republicans Whose Term of Service Expires in 2025, who would have well
over 4 years from the time they voted to convict to convince their
voters that that was acceptable, if not good.

Barrasso, John (R-WY)
Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)
Braun, Mike (R-IN)
Cramer, Kevin (R-ND)
Cruz, Ted (R-TX) the one who was called Lying Ted by a much bigger
liar, and who never fought back for that, and is now
one of Stumpie's biggest supporters. It will take a
lot to wake him up.
Fischer, Deb (R-NE)
Hawley, Josh (R-MO)
Romney, Mitt (R-UT)
Scott, Rick (R-FL)
Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)

Only 10 of the 33 or 34 elected in 2018 were Republicans.

Partly because people were so disgusted with Rump in 2018

On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 20:22:43 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 04 Feb 2020 07:42:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 00:15:57 -0500, micky
wrote:

Schiff's closing speech: 'Is there one among you who will...'
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...r-him-n1128766
Worth listening to.



I have this vision of someone like Mitt Romney -
- jacket off & sleeves rolled up -
silently standing up and holding a crude sign
over his head and turning it for all to see
think Sally Field in Norma Rae
... and slowly and quietly one-by-one
the room begins to stand and applaud.
Finally - Dems and brave Republicans can agree
on a simple but crucial basic tenet of US democracy.
The one-word sign distills the Trump regime
perfectly ....
__ insert something clever here __

John T.

I know what you mean. My vision was someone giving a press interview
after this, and asap to give others time to think about it, and saying
he was voting for conviction. Or better yet, on Wednesday I think the
senators get to talk, doing it there, and one by one others also voting
for conviction, at least 5 of them.

Maybe he's waiting until the last minute so his family won't be
kidnapped or he won't be killed.


"Is there one among you" could be "Is there no one among you who is a
man?"

Republicans whose Term of Service Expires in 2021, some of whom are
retiring anyhow, though I don't know who.

I guess only the ones who are retiring face no political risk, but they
may fear STumpie will try to ruin them in their retirement. (So it's the
ones not up for re-election until 2024 who face the least risk (below)).

Alexander, Lamar (R-TN)
Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)
Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)
Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)
Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Cotton, Tom (R-AR)
Daines, Steve (R-MT)
Enzi, Michael B. (R-WY)
Ernst, Joni (R-IA)
Gardner, Cory (R-CO)
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)
Inhofe, James M. (R-OK)
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)
Perdue, David (R-GA) Loves chicken.
Risch, James E. (R-ID)
Roberts, Pat (R-KS)
Rounds, Mike (R-SD)
Sasse, Ben (R-NE)
Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)
Tillis, Thom (R-NC)

Any other republican was

Republicans Whose Term of Service Expires in 2025, who would have well
over 4 years from the time they voted to convict to convince their
voters that that was acceptable, if not good.

Barrasso, John (R-WY)
Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)
Braun, Mike (R-IN)
Cramer, Kevin (R-ND)
Cruz, Ted (R-TX) the one who was called Lying Ted by a much bigger
liar, and who never fought back for that, and is now
one of Stumpie's biggest supporters. It will take a
lot to wake him up.
Fischer, Deb (R-NE)
Hawley, Josh (R-MO)
Romney, Mitt (R-UT)
Scott, Rick (R-FL)
Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)

Only 10 of the 33 or 34 elected in 2018 were Republicans.

Partly because people were so disgusted with Rump in 2018


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:02:37 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:


Partly because people were so disgusted with Rump in 2018


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.


Hahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xswnEGqSuY


Top Democrat Pelosi says ripping up Trump's speech was 'courteous'
[considering the alternatives]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAdG-cv32zM


I think she did it in sections to make sure the camera caught at least
part of it. 21 versions on youtube

One video had a long ad before it for DrSquatch soap, one of whose good
features is that it's "hand cut" from much bigger bars. That certainly
makes soap better! Like hand-blown glass, hand-carved wood, or
hand=tooled leather, now they have hand cut soap ROTFLOL A lot of the
other features it has all soap has.

On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:02:37 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 20:22:43 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 04 Feb 2020 07:42:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 00:15:57 -0500, micky
wrote:

Schiff's closing speech: 'Is there one among you who will...'
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...r-him-n1128766
Worth listening to.



I have this vision of someone like Mitt Romney -
- jacket off & sleeves rolled up -
silently standing up and holding a crude sign
over his head and turning it for all to see
think Sally Field in Norma Rae
... and slowly and quietly one-by-one
the room begins to stand and applaud.
Finally - Dems and brave Republicans can agree
on a simple but crucial basic tenet of US democracy.
The one-word sign distills the Trump regime
perfectly ....
__ insert something clever here __

John T.

I know what you mean. My vision was someone giving a press interview
after this, and asap to give others time to think about it, and saying
he was voting for conviction. Or better yet, on Wednesday I think the
senators get to talk, doing it there, and one by one others also voting
for conviction, at least 5 of them.

Maybe he's waiting until the last minute so his family won't be
kidnapped or he won't be killed.


"Is there one among you" could be "Is there no one among you who is a
man?"

Republicans whose Term of Service Expires in 2021, some of whom are
retiring anyhow, though I don't know who.

I guess only the ones who are retiring face no political risk, but they
may fear STumpie will try to ruin them in their retirement. (So it's the
ones not up for re-election until 2024 who face the least risk (below)).

Alexander, Lamar (R-TN)
Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)
Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)
Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)
Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Cotton, Tom (R-AR)
Daines, Steve (R-MT)
Enzi, Michael B. (R-WY)
Ernst, Joni (R-IA)
Gardner, Cory (R-CO)
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)
Inhofe, James M. (R-OK)
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)
Perdue, David (R-GA) Loves chicken.
Risch, James E. (R-ID)
Roberts, Pat (R-KS)
Rounds, Mike (R-SD)
Sasse, Ben (R-NE)
Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)
Tillis, Thom (R-NC)

Any other republican was

Republicans Whose Term of Service Expires in 2025, who would have well
over 4 years from the time they voted to convict to convince their
voters that that was acceptable, if not good.

Barrasso, John (R-WY)
Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)
Braun, Mike (R-IN)
Cramer, Kevin (R-ND)
Cruz, Ted (R-TX) the one who was called Lying Ted by a much bigger
liar, and who never fought back for that, and is now
one of Stumpie's biggest supporters. It will take a
lot to wake him up.
Fischer, Deb (R-NE)
Hawley, Josh (R-MO)
Romney, Mitt (R-UT)
Scott, Rick (R-FL)
Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)

Only 10 of the 33 or 34 elected in 2018 were Republicans.

Partly because people were so disgusted with Rump in 2018


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

Like a ****ing 5 year old having a temper tantrum, not like the
Speaker of the House.
Anything the democrats have said about Trump's behavior and lack of
respect for his office went out the window tonight.
The ads will write themselves over that stunt.
It wouldn't shock me if a blue dog, scared of losing their seat votes
nay.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 05 Feb 2020 02:09:08 -0500,
wrote:


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

Like a ****ing 5 year old having a temper tantrum, not like the
Speaker of the House.
Anything the democrats have said about Trump's behavior and lack of
respect for his office went out the window tonight.
The ads will write themselves over that stunt.
It wouldn't shock me if a blue dog, scared of losing their seat votes
nay.

So one incident makes up for 1000's by him. Give me a break.

On 2/5/20 4:33 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 05 Feb 2020 02:09:08 -0500,
wrote:


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

Like a ****ing 5 year old having a temper tantrum, not like the
Speaker of the House.
Anything the democrats have said about Trump's behavior and lack of
respect for his office went out the window tonight.
The ads will write themselves over that stunt.
It wouldn't shock me if a blue dog, scared of losing their seat votes
nay.

So one incident makes up for 1000's by him. Give me a break.



Fasten your seat belt, little buddy. We got four more spectacular years coming! Hehehee!

On 2/5/20 12:02 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 20:22:43 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 04 Feb 2020 07:42:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 00:15:57 -0500, micky
wrote:

Schiff's closing speech: 'Is there one among you who will...'
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...r-him-n1128766
Worth listening to.



I have this vision of someone like Mitt Romney -
- jacket off & sleeves rolled up -
silently standing up and holding a crude sign
over his head and turning it for all to see
think Sally Field in Norma Rae
... and slowly and quietly one-by-one
the room begins to stand and applaud.
Finally - Dems and brave Republicans can agree
on a simple but crucial basic tenet of US democracy.
The one-word sign distills the Trump regime
perfectly ....
__ insert something clever here __

John T.

I know what you mean. My vision was someone giving a press interview
after this, and asap to give others time to think about it, and saying
he was voting for conviction. Or better yet, on Wednesday I think the
senators get to talk, doing it there, and one by one others also voting
for conviction, at least 5 of them.

Maybe he's waiting until the last minute so his family won't be
kidnapped or he won't be killed.


"Is there one among you" could be "Is there no one among you who is a
man?"

Republicans whose Term of Service Expires in 2021, some of whom are
retiring anyhow, though I don't know who.

I guess only the ones who are retiring face no political risk, but they
may fear STumpie will try to ruin them in their retirement. (So it's the
ones not up for re-election until 2024 who face the least risk (below)).

Alexander, Lamar (R-TN)
Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)
Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)
Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)
Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Cotton, Tom (R-AR)
Daines, Steve (R-MT)
Enzi, Michael B. (R-WY)
Ernst, Joni (R-IA)
Gardner, Cory (R-CO)
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)
Inhofe, James M. (R-OK)
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)
Perdue, David (R-GA) Loves chicken.
Risch, James E. (R-ID)
Roberts, Pat (R-KS)
Rounds, Mike (R-SD)
Sasse, Ben (R-NE)
Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)
Tillis, Thom (R-NC)

Any other republican was

Republicans Whose Term of Service Expires in 2025, who would have well
over 4 years from the time they voted to convict to convince their
voters that that was acceptable, if not good.

Barrasso, John (R-WY)
Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)
Braun, Mike (R-IN)
Cramer, Kevin (R-ND)
Cruz, Ted (R-TX) the one who was called Lying Ted by a much bigger
liar, and who never fought back for that, and is now
one of Stumpie's biggest supporters. It will take a
lot to wake him up.
Fischer, Deb (R-NE)
Hawley, Josh (R-MO)
Romney, Mitt (R-UT)
Scott, Rick (R-FL)
Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)

Only 10 of the 33 or 34 elected in 2018 were Republicans.

Partly because people were so disgusted with Rump in 2018


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.


Pelosi is a do-nothing democrat. She's a waste of taxpayer's money.

On 2/5/2020 4:33 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 05 Feb 2020 02:09:08 -0500,
wrote:


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

Like a ****ing 5 year old having a temper tantrum, not like the
Speaker of the House.
Anything the democrats have said about Trump's behavior and lack of
respect for his office went out the window tonight.
The ads will write themselves over that stunt.
It wouldn't shock me if a blue dog, scared of losing their seat votes
nay.

So one incident makes up for 1000's by him. Give me a break.

Just because Trump is low class no reason to be an even lower class. It
was a publicity stunt, nothing more. Never a fan of Nancy, but even
less so now.

Just as Talib and Omar did not stand to honor the Tuskegee Airmen. That
was very disrespectful too. They helped make it possible for then to
run for office.

On 02/04/2020 10:02 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:

Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

Apparently she didn't think that limp dick clap last year conveyed here
disdain for the office of President sufficiently. She took a clue from
Sinead O'Connor ripping up a photo of the pope on sNL.

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:02:54 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 20:22:43 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 04 Feb 2020 07:42:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 00:15:57 -0500, micky
wrote:

Schiff's closing speech: 'Is there one among you who will...'
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...r-him-n1128766
Worth listening to.



I have this vision of someone like Mitt Romney -
- jacket off & sleeves rolled up -
silently standing up and holding a crude sign
over his head and turning it for all to see
think Sally Field in Norma Rae
... and slowly and quietly one-by-one
the room begins to stand and applaud.
Finally - Dems and brave Republicans can agree
on a simple but crucial basic tenet of US democracy.
The one-word sign distills the Trump regime
perfectly ....
__ insert something clever here __

John T.

I know what you mean. My vision was someone giving a press interview
after this, and asap to give others time to think about it, and saying
he was voting for conviction. Or better yet, on Wednesday I think the
senators get to talk, doing it there, and one by one others also voting
for conviction, at least 5 of them.

Maybe he's waiting until the last minute so his family won't be
kidnapped or he won't be killed.


"Is there one among you" could be "Is there no one among you who is a
man?"

Republicans whose Term of Service Expires in 2021, some of whom are
retiring anyhow, though I don't know who.

I guess only the ones who are retiring face no political risk, but they
may fear STumpie will try to ruin them in their retirement. (So it's the
ones not up for re-election until 2024 who face the least risk (below)).

Alexander, Lamar (R-TN)
Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)
Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)
Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)
Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Cotton, Tom (R-AR)
Daines, Steve (R-MT)
Enzi, Michael B. (R-WY)
Ernst, Joni (R-IA)
Gardner, Cory (R-CO)
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)
Inhofe, James M. (R-OK)
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)
Perdue, David (R-GA) Loves chicken.
Risch, James E. (R-ID)
Roberts, Pat (R-KS)
Rounds, Mike (R-SD)
Sasse, Ben (R-NE)
Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)
Tillis, Thom (R-NC)

Any other republican was

Republicans Whose Term of Service Expires in 2025, who would have well
over 4 years from the time they voted to convict to convince their
voters that that was acceptable, if not good.

Barrasso, John (R-WY)
Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)
Braun, Mike (R-IN)
Cramer, Kevin (R-ND)
Cruz, Ted (R-TX) the one who was called Lying Ted by a much bigger
liar, and who never fought back for that, and is now
one of Stumpie's biggest supporters. It will take a
lot to wake him up.
Fischer, Deb (R-NE)
Hawley, Josh (R-MO)
Romney, Mitt (R-UT)
Scott, Rick (R-FL)
Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)

Only 10 of the 33 or 34 elected in 2018 were Republicans.

Partly because people were so disgusted with Rump in 2018


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

Sure. She did exactly what Trump wanted her to do. All of Trump's base
will remember it, so will many independents. Same thing with giving
Rush the Medal of Freedom. He played them like a fiddle. He knows
the libs will be screaming about it for days. And his base will love it
and even many Independents will be appalled that the libs are attacking
a dying old man. And how about Omar and Talib not standing for the 100
year old black Tuskegee airman that Trump saluted and promoted to
Brigadier General? What about that disgusting display?

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 2:09:28 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:02:37 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 20:22:43 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 04 Feb 2020 07:42:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 00:15:57 -0500, micky
wrote:

Schiff's closing speech: 'Is there one among you who will...'
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...r-him-n1128766
Worth listening to.



I have this vision of someone like Mitt Romney -
- jacket off & sleeves rolled up -
silently standing up and holding a crude sign
over his head and turning it for all to see
think Sally Field in Norma Rae
... and slowly and quietly one-by-one
the room begins to stand and applaud.
Finally - Dems and brave Republicans can agree
on a simple but crucial basic tenet of US democracy.
The one-word sign distills the Trump regime
perfectly ....
__ insert something clever here __

John T.

I know what you mean. My vision was someone giving a press interview
after this, and asap to give others time to think about it, and saying
he was voting for conviction. Or better yet, on Wednesday I think the
senators get to talk, doing it there, and one by one others also voting
for conviction, at least 5 of them.

Maybe he's waiting until the last minute so his family won't be
kidnapped or he won't be killed.


"Is there one among you" could be "Is there no one among you who is a
man?"

Republicans whose Term of Service Expires in 2021, some of whom are
retiring anyhow, though I don't know who.

I guess only the ones who are retiring face no political risk, but they
may fear STumpie will try to ruin them in their retirement. (So it's the
ones not up for re-election until 2024 who face the least risk (below)).

Alexander, Lamar (R-TN)
Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)
Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)
Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)
Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Cotton, Tom (R-AR)
Daines, Steve (R-MT)
Enzi, Michael B. (R-WY)
Ernst, Joni (R-IA)
Gardner, Cory (R-CO)
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)
Inhofe, James M. (R-OK)
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)
Perdue, David (R-GA) Loves chicken.
Risch, James E. (R-ID)
Roberts, Pat (R-KS)
Rounds, Mike (R-SD)
Sasse, Ben (R-NE)
Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)
Tillis, Thom (R-NC)

Any other republican was

Republicans Whose Term of Service Expires in 2025, who would have well
over 4 years from the time they voted to convict to convince their
voters that that was acceptable, if not good.

Barrasso, John (R-WY)
Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)
Braun, Mike (R-IN)
Cramer, Kevin (R-ND)
Cruz, Ted (R-TX) the one who was called Lying Ted by a much bigger
liar, and who never fought back for that, and is now
one of Stumpie's biggest supporters. It will take a
lot to wake him up.
Fischer, Deb (R-NE)
Hawley, Josh (R-MO)
Romney, Mitt (R-UT)
Scott, Rick (R-FL)
Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)

Only 10 of the 33 or 34 elected in 2018 were Republicans.

Partly because people were so disgusted with Rump in 2018


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

Like a ****ing 5 year old having a temper tantrum, not like the
Speaker of the House.
Anything the democrats have said about Trump's behavior and lack of
respect for his office went out the window tonight.


So one bad by Pelosi equals the thousand by Trump? I don't think so.
Plus she can go back to being more normal, Trump can't.




The ads will write themselves over that stunt.

Except Trump isn't running against Pelosi and she will easily win
re-election to her House seat. Meanwhile there are far better ads
waiting for Trump. Like a nice video of the KKK, Nazis, marching,
the news headlines with the young woman murdered by a white supremacist
and then Trump insisting that there were "very fine people" on both
sides. It doesn't get much better or worse if you like, than that.



It wouldn't shock me if a blue dog, scared of losing their seat votes
nay.

That's certainly possible, but it's not likely to work. They will easily
lose more Democrat votes than the Republican votes they would gain.

On 2/5/2020 5:18 AM, devnull wrote:
On 2/5/20 12:02 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:

Â* Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.


Pelosi is a do-nothing democrat. She's a waste of taxpayer's money.

yeah She was ****ed because President Trump shined like a beacon! She
wants him to fail, but he's a raging success.

--
Maggie

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 07:42:19 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:


Except Trump isn't running against Pelosi and she will easily win
re-election to her House seat.

If they lose the House, she will lose that big gavel tho. I doubt that
will happen but stupid stuff like this could lose them seats in
districts that Trump won in 16. If you are presenting your party as
the adults in the room you can't have your leader acting like a 5 year
old.

I might even understand it if he used the speech as a victory lap in
the impeachment but he was just talking about good things happening in
the US, like virtually every other SOTU.

On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 04:33:17 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 05 Feb 2020 02:09:08 -0500,
wrote:


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

Like a ****ing 5 year old having a temper tantrum, not like the
Speaker of the House.
Anything the democrats have said about Trump's behavior and lack of
respect for his office went out the window tonight.
The ads will write themselves over that stunt.
It wouldn't shock me if a blue dog, scared of losing their seat votes
nay.

So one incident makes up for 1000's by him. Give me a break.
It was no tantrum. It was a calm, calculated move on her part.
Now the alternative would have been something to see. It would have
involved a well greased oversized shoe-horn and considerable force
after rolling it tightly.

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:51:18 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 07:42:19 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:


Except Trump isn't running against Pelosi and she will easily win
re-election to her House seat.

If they lose the House, she will lose that big gavel tho. I doubt that
will happen but stupid stuff like this could lose them seats in
districts that Trump won in 16. If you are presenting your party as
the adults in the room you can't have your leader acting like a 5 year
old.

I might even understand it if he used the speech as a victory lap in
the impeachment but he was just talking about good things happening in
the US, like virtually every other SOTU.

I don't recall any other SOTU where the president gave the Medal of Freedom
to a loud mouth radio blowhard. It's another example of Trump sticking
his finger in someone's eye. The trumpets will love it, but it comes at
the cost of more division, more hate, less ability to govern and get this
done. There are thousands of people who are more deserving. How about
people like Bill Gates, who'd donated much of his wealth, billions to
help people, as well as being a great boost to America's place in
technology and business? How about Bob Noyce and Jack Kilby, the co-inventors
of the integrated circuit that changed the world? Where are their medals?

On 2/5/2020 11:18 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2020 5:18 AM, devnull wrote:
On 2/5/20 12:02 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:

Â* Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.


Pelosi is a do-nothing democrat. She's a waste of taxpayer's money.

yeah She was ****ed because President Trump shined like a beacon! She
wants him to fail, but he's a raging success.


Nancy cut off her nose to spite her face.
Dems will pay dearly for this.
Leftists base loves it but real Democrats are abandoning the party of hate.

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 07:26:33 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:51:18 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 07:42:19 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:


Except Trump isn't running against Pelosi and she will easily win
re-election to her House seat.

If they lose the House, she will lose that big gavel tho. I doubt that
will happen but stupid stuff like this could lose them seats in
districts that Trump won in 16. If you are presenting your party as
the adults in the room you can't have your leader acting like a 5 year
old.

I might even understand it if he used the speech as a victory lap in
the impeachment but he was just talking about good things happening in
the US, like virtually every other SOTU.

I don't recall any other SOTU where the president gave the Medal of Freedom
to a loud mouth radio blowhard. It's another example of Trump sticking
his finger in someone's eye. The trumpets will love it, but it comes at
the cost of more division, more hate, less ability to govern and get this
done. There are thousands of people who are more deserving. How about
people like Bill Gates, who'd donated much of his wealth, billions to
help people, as well as being a great boost to America's place in
technology and business? How about Bob Noyce and Jack Kilby, the co-inventors
of the integrated circuit that changed the world? Where are their medals?


Bill Cosby has one of them.

In article ,
says...
don't recall any other SOTU where the president gave the Medal of Freedom
to a loud mouth radio blowhard. It's another example of Trump sticking
his finger in someone's eye. The trumpets will love it, but it comes at
the cost of more division, more hate, less ability to govern and get this
done. There are thousands of people who are more deserving. How about
people like Bill Gates, who'd donated much of his wealth, billions to
help people, as well as being a great boost to America's place in
technology and business? How about Bob Noyce and Jack Kilby, the co-inventors
of the integrated circuit that changed the world? Where are their medals?


Bill Cosby has one of them.



Here is a list. The Gates have one. Past President Carter has one and
I think he is one of the worst presidents in modern time.

From the looks of things, many of those are for "participation".

Maybe Rush Limback deserves one for being a radio blowhard.

If you look at the dates of them, it seems that some that should deserve
it for the catagories they are in are way too late.

In article t,
says...

Here is a list. The Gates have one. Past President Carter has one and
I think he is one of the worst presidents in modern time.




Forgot to add the URL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...f_Freedom_reci
pients

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 1:20:26 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
don't recall any other SOTU where the president gave the Medal of Freedom
to a loud mouth radio blowhard. It's another example of Trump sticking
his finger in someone's eye. The trumpets will love it, but it comes at
the cost of more division, more hate, less ability to govern and get this
done. There are thousands of people who are more deserving. How about
people like Bill Gates, who'd donated much of his wealth, billions to
help people, as well as being a great boost to America's place in
technology and business? How about Bob Noyce and Jack Kilby, the co-inventors
of the integrated circuit that changed the world? Where are their medals?


Bill Cosby has one of them.



Here is a list. The Gates have one. Past President Carter has one and
I think he is one of the worst presidents in modern time.

I agree, Carter was a disaster. But I assume his MOF was for his life's
work, not for how his presidency ranked. He's done endless charity work
since leaving office. And while in office he did achieve peace between
Israel and Egypt, no one has been able to do anything even remotely close
to that since.





From the looks of things, many of those are for "participation".

Maybe Rush Limback deserves one for being a radio blowhard.

If you look at the dates of them, it seems that some that should deserve
it for the catagories they are in are way too late.


If Trump wanted to give one to Rush, knowing how divisive it would be,
he should have done it at the WH, not at the SOTU. And worse, that is
exactly why Trump gave it there, because he knows it will rile up the
Democrats and play to his base.

On 2/6/2020 10:58 AM, Frank wrote:
On 2/5/2020 11:18 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2020 5:18 AM, devnull wrote:
On 2/5/20 12:02 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:

Â*Â* Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.


Pelosi is a do-nothing democrat. She's a waste of taxpayer's money.

yeahÂ* She was ****ed because President Trump shined like a beacon! She
wants him to fail, but he's a raging success.


Nancy cut off her nose to spite her face.
Dems will pay dearly for this.
Leftists base loves it but real Democrats are abandoning the party of hate.

yeah ... !

--
Maggie

On 2/6/20 2:23 PM, trader_4 wrote:
If Trump wanted to give one to Rush, knowing how divisive it would be,
he should have done it at the WH, not at the SOTU. And worse, that is
exactly why Trump gave it there, because he knows it will rile up the
Democrats and play to his base.

The democrat party and their MSM promotes lazy libtard lefty socialist welfare people.

Rush Limbaugh supports the good old-fashioned American work ethic. He deserves the medal.

If that riles up the democrats, it's icing on the cake.

On 2/6/2020 2:50 PM, devnull wrote:
On 2/6/20 2:23 PM, trader_4 wrote:
If Trump wanted to give one to Rush, knowing how divisive it would be,
he should have done it at the WH, not at the SOTU.Â* And worse, that is
exactly why Trump gave it there, because he knows it will rile up the
Democrats and play to his base.

The democrat party and their MSM promotes lazy libtard lefty socialist
welfare people.

Rush Limbaugh supports the good old-fashioned American work ethic.Â* He
deserves the medal.

If that riles up the democrats, it's icing on the cake.

Boom!

--
Maggie

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 5 Feb 2020 09:38:22 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 2/5/2020 4:33 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 05 Feb 2020 02:09:08 -0500,
wrote:


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

Like a ****ing 5 year old having a temper tantrum, not like the
Speaker of the House.
Anything the democrats have said about Trump's behavior and lack of
respect for his office went out the window tonight.
The ads will write themselves over that stunt.
It wouldn't shock me if a blue dog, scared of losing their seat votes
nay.

So one incident makes up for 1000's by him. Give me a break.

And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

And that the Reps chanted 4 more years, when partisan behaviour is out
of place in the Capitol, a building owned by all of us.

The Republicans' lack of respect is everywhere.

Just because Trump is low class no reason to be an even lower class. It
was a publicity stunt, nothing more. Never a fan of Nancy, but even
less so now.

Just as Talib and Omar did not stand to honor the Tuskegee Airmen. That
was very disrespectful too. They helped make it possible for then to
run for office.

I didnt' watch the speech and this is the first I heard about that.
That's terrible. And you're right about the Tuskege Airmen helping them
get elected. I don't like them but this misbehaviour I don't even
understand. ... After reading a couple pages, the best I can guess is it
was just because Rump was doing it. Still bad.

On 02/07/2020 09:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

I didn't watch the speech but in the one clip that I did see Trump was
turning away from Pelosi after giving her the printed copy before she
stuck her hand out. He did not shake Pence's hand either.

On 2/7/2020 11:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

The handshake is a stupid ritual...especially when we got a nasty virus outbreak in progress.

If you want more germs, go eat some urinal cakes.

--
Not get off my lawn!

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:58:23 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 02/07/2020 09:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

I didn't watch the speech but in the one clip that I did see Trump was
turning away from Pelosi after giving her the printed copy before she
stuck her hand out.

Each of the major TV news networks had cameras there. Some of the clips
show that Trump was very likely to have seen her extended hand.

He did not shake Pence's hand either.

Irrelevant. Pence didn't offer his hand.

I think the whole thing was a bit awkward, but not really the end of the
world. All things considered, this was a relatively small thing from a
President who just can't help himself.

On 2/7/2020 7:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/07/2020 09:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

I didn't watch the speech but in the one clip that I did see Trump was
turning away from Pelosi after giving her the printed copy before she
stuck her hand out. He did not shake Pence's hand either.



He is a germaphobe and has always tried to avoid shaking hands. Unlike
grabbing a pussy though.

On 02/07/2020 07:23 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
Each of the major TV news networks had cameras there. Some of the clips
show that Trump was very likely to have seen her extended hand.

'Some of the clips' 'very likely' right.

On 02/07/2020 07:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2020 7:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/07/2020 09:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

I didn't watch the speech but in the one clip that I did see Trump was
turning away from Pelosi after giving her the printed copy before she
stuck her hand out. He did not shake Pence's hand either.



He is a germaphobe and has always tried to avoid shaking hands. Unlike
grabbing a pussy though.

I'm not a germaphobe but I've had many awkward moments with the
handshake ritual. My default setting is no handshake. I can respond to a
compulsive shaker gracefully but when neither of us are too sure it
looks like a gun fight at high noon.

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 11:20:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 5 Feb 2020 09:38:22 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 2/5/2020 4:33 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 05 Feb 2020 02:09:08 -0500,
wrote:


Pelosi did just fine tonight. Ripped his speach up right behind him
on camera.

Like a ****ing 5 year old having a temper tantrum, not like the
Speaker of the House.
Anything the democrats have said about Trump's behavior and lack of
respect for his office went out the window tonight.
The ads will write themselves over that stunt.
It wouldn't shock me if a blue dog, scared of losing their seat votes
nay.

So one incident makes up for 1000's by him. Give me a break.

And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

And that the Reps chanted 4 more years, when partisan behaviour is out
of place in the Capitol, a building owned by all of us.

The Republicans' lack of respect is everywhere.

Just because Trump is low class no reason to be an even lower class. It
was a publicity stunt, nothing more. Never a fan of Nancy, but even
less so now.

Just as Talib and Omar did not stand to honor the Tuskegee Airmen. That
was very disrespectful too. They helped make it possible for then to
run for office.

I didnt' watch the speech and this is the first I heard about that.
That's terrible. And you're right about the Tuskege Airmen helping them
get elected. I don't like them but this misbehaviour I don't even
understand. ... After reading a couple pages, the best I can guess is it
was just because Rump was doing it. Still bad.
It was because tRUMP was "using" these honorable men as his "token
darkies" for his political advantage.

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:23:52 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:58:23 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 02/07/2020 09:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

I didn't watch the speech but in the one clip that I did see Trump was
turning away from Pelosi after giving her the printed copy before she
stuck her hand out.

Each of the major TV news networks had cameras there. Some of the clips
show that Trump was very likely to have seen her extended hand.

He did not shake Pence's hand either.

Irrelevant. Pence didn't offer his hand.

I think the whole thing was a bit awkward, but not really the end of the
world. All things considered, this was a relatively small thing from a
President who just can't help himself.
It was a deliberate snub to the lady who "invited" him into the
chambers to present his "campaign speech".

He has NO class.

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 21:40:06 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/7/2020 7:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/07/2020 09:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

I didn't watch the speech but in the one clip that I did see Trump was
turning away from Pelosi after giving her the printed copy before she
stuck her hand out. He did not shake Pence's hand either.



He is a germaphobe and has always tried to avoid shaking hands. Unlike
grabbing a pussy though.
And you can bet a few of those have been none too sterile - - -
Shaking hands with a democrat? He might catch a concience.

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 20:46:54 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 02/07/2020 07:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2020 7:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/07/2020 09:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

I didn't watch the speech but in the one clip that I did see Trump was
turning away from Pelosi after giving her the printed copy before she
stuck her hand out. He did not shake Pence's hand either.



He is a germaphobe and has always tried to avoid shaking hands. Unlike
grabbing a pussy though.

I'm not a germaphobe but I've had many awkward moments with the
handshake ritual. My default setting is no handshake. I can respond to a
compulsive shaker gracefully but when neither of us are too sure it
looks like a gun fight at high noon.
There was a few years where a handshake with the right hand was
downright PAINFULL for me (wrist broken twice within 18 months) so a
"two handed shake" with my left hand holding my right wrist was common
- with the left thumb in the palm. That gave some protection against
an "enthusiastic" handshake. Those who couldn't take the hint were
rememberd - and when the "rawhide wrench" was back in full form a few
of THEM had to wince.

On 2/8/20 11:21 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:23:52 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:58:23 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 02/07/2020 09:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

I didn't watch the speech but in the one clip that I did see Trump was
turning away from Pelosi after giving her the printed copy before she
stuck her hand out.

Each of the major TV news networks had cameras there. Some of the clips
show that Trump was very likely to have seen her extended hand.

He did not shake Pence's hand either.

Irrelevant. Pence didn't offer his hand.

I think the whole thing was a bit awkward, but not really the end of the
world. All things considered, this was a relatively small thing from a
President who just can't help himself.
It was a deliberate snub to the lady who "invited" him into the
chambers to present his "campaign speech".

He has NO class.


The democrats allegations were false.
Their witch hunt was an attempt to discredit President Trump.
The democrats responsible for wasting so much time and money on this scam should be tried for treason.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Feb 2020 11:21:26 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:23:52 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:58:23 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 02/07/2020 09:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

I didn't watch the speech but in the one clip that I did see Trump was
turning away from Pelosi after giving her the printed copy before she
stuck her hand out.

Each of the major TV news networks had cameras there. Some of the clips
show that Trump was very likely to have seen her extended hand.

He did not shake Pence's hand either.

Irrelevant. Pence didn't offer his hand.

I think the whole thing was a bit awkward, but not really the end of the
world. All things considered, this was a relatively small thing from a
President who just can't help himself.
It was a deliberate snub to the lady who "invited" him into the
chambers to present his "campaign speech".

He has NO class.

Definitely. He probably thinks he's upper class since he has a lot of
money. But he's lower class.

Americans consistently refer to low-class when they mean low-income.
There are plenty of low-income people who are middle-class, who have
middle-class values.

And quite a few upper and middle income people who are low-class.

I havent' designated anyone as upper-class, because I'm not sure what
that would be.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:31:25 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Feb 2020 11:21:26 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:23:52 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:58:23 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 02/07/2020 09:20 AM, micky wrote:
And let me add, what about the fact that at the start, Pelosi offered
her hand and Stumpie wouldn't shake it.

I didn't watch the speech but in the one clip that I did see Trump was
turning away from Pelosi after giving her the printed copy before she
stuck her hand out.

Each of the major TV news networks had cameras there. Some of the clips
show that Trump was very likely to have seen her extended hand.

He did not shake Pence's hand either.

Irrelevant. Pence didn't offer his hand.

I think the whole thing was a bit awkward, but not really the end of the
world. All things considered, this was a relatively small thing from a
President who just can't help himself.
It was a deliberate snub to the lady who "invited" him into the
chambers to present his "campaign speech".

He has NO class.

Definitely. He probably thinks he's upper class since he has a lot of
money. But he's lower class.

Americans consistently refer to low-class when they mean low-income.
There are plenty of low-income people who are middle-class, who have
middle-class values.

And quite a few upper and middle income people who are low-class.

I havent' designated anyone as upper-class, because I'm not sure what
that would be.
I've seen and met several "high class" people who were most definitely
low class. One old gentleman - a GIANT of a man - in his 90s - was
definitely "high class" - in Fabedougou Burkina Faso. His net worth
was likely inder $100 - and his income significantly under $5 a month
- but he was "class" personified.

Then there's the Trumps of the world - and the Idi Amins, and the
Robert Mugabwes, You know the types. NO CLASS - ALL BRASS

On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:01:12 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

Speaking of disinformation and BS, show us where Steele even admitted
any of his report was BS. Steele said from the beginning that it was
what it was, raw intelligence that was not corroborated.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ssier-accurate

the claim is it is 70-90% accurate. If he didn't think 30% could be
bull****, why did he say 70%?
Also isn't this a foreigner trying to influence our election? He did
turn this over to Hillary.

Apples and oranges. It's perfectly legal for a campaign to do
opposition research, including overseas. If Steele did it for free,
then it would be construed as a violation of US law, it would be
considered a donation to the campaign. The Democrats were smart,
they used Fusion GPS, which in turn hired Steele.

Nice diversion. It is why I hate giving weasels like you cites, you
just ignore them and change the subject.

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 5:28:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:01:12 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

Speaking of disinformation and BS, show us where Steele even admitted
any of his report was BS. Steele said from the beginning that it was
what it was, raw intelligence that was not corroborated.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ssier-accurate

the claim is it is 70-90% accurate. If he didn't think 30% could be
bull****, why did he say 70%?
Also isn't this a foreigner trying to influence our election? He did
turn this over to Hillary.

Apples and oranges. It's perfectly legal for a campaign to do
opposition research, including overseas. If Steele did it for free,
then it would be construed as a violation of US law, it would be
considered a donation to the campaign. The Democrats were smart,
they used Fusion GPS, which in turn hired Steele.

Nice diversion. It is why I hate giving weasels like you cites, you
just ignore them and change the subject.

Thanks for that ad hominem response. The simple facts are that
what the Democrats did in 2016, engaging a research firm to do
opposition research is not illegal or an abuse of power.
A president demanding a foreign govt investigate mostly BS,
Putin lies, or anything else, to help him get re-elected is.
In fact, the Republicans had also engaged with Fusion GPS to
do opposition research, prior to the Democrats. No comparison
between that and the PRESIDENT, extorting a foreign govt,
while illegally withholding US aid.

On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 09:05:02 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 5:28:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:01:12 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

Speaking of disinformation and BS, show us where Steele even admitted
any of his report was BS. Steele said from the beginning that it was
what it was, raw intelligence that was not corroborated.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ssier-accurate

the claim is it is 70-90% accurate. If he didn't think 30% could be
bull****, why did he say 70%?
Also isn't this a foreigner trying to influence our election? He did
turn this over to Hillary.

Apples and oranges. It's perfectly legal for a campaign to do
opposition research, including overseas. If Steele did it for free,
then it would be construed as a violation of US law, it would be
considered a donation to the campaign. The Democrats were smart,
they used Fusion GPS, which in turn hired Steele.

Nice diversion. It is why I hate giving weasels like you cites, you
just ignore them and change the subject.

Thanks for that ad hominem response. The simple facts are that
what the Democrats did in 2016, engaging a research firm to do
opposition research is not illegal or an abuse of power.
A president demanding a foreign govt investigate mostly BS,
Putin lies, or anything else, to help him get re-elected is.
In fact, the Republicans had also engaged with Fusion GPS to
do opposition research, prior to the Democrats. No comparison
between that and the PRESIDENT, extorting a foreign govt,
while illegally withholding US aid.

Your challenge was to give you a cite that up to 30% of the Dossier
was bull**** and I did, Then you went off on a Putin rant without as
much as a slight acknowledgement of the cite (from Steele himself).

Tomorrow you will be saying I never gave you the cite.
I might as well be talking to Rod Speed