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seatbelt
On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 00:15:25 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 22:21:38 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 20:17:23 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 19:22:05 -0500, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:26:36 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:37:00 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 20:28:34 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 15:11:03 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 4:01:05 PM UTC-5, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:13:18 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 09:23:50 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 11:56:49 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 02:02:12 -0500, micky wrote: Car is in a traffic accident, Body shop won't return the car for 4 months because they ordered a new seat belt and it's not avaibable anywhere in the US, has to come from some other country. Takes 4 months. Have you ever heard that a body shop can't return a car if a seat belt is missing? Why couldn't they get a seatbelt from a junkyard, at least temporarily. They didn't say what kind of car. Thank the Traders of the world for that. It is that "keep us safe, no matter what" thinking. You are right, go to a junk yard and get one. Actually, if it takes 4 months to get a seat belt, maybe it's being caused by one of Trump's trade wars. Notably lacking is any mention of what kind of car this is, how old, etc. I didn't hear about the trade war with Japan or Korea. And the replacement parts would have been made the same year or soon after the original belts were made, long before the stupid tariffs. Build all the parts ever needed for a 1992 Ford Taurus in 1992? I don;t think so. Maybe if a Democrat like your ran the company. Would take a hell of a good forecast and a BF warehouse. I doubt they built OEM parts long after the model run was over. They move on. Machines are changed to make parts for new cars and in some cases there just won't be any parts. I ran into that with a door handle for my Honda. There were still people who listed it but they were all out of stock. I ended up fixing the old one, and it wasn't pretty. There are "second source" suppliers for virtually all parts today if you make the effort to find them - and replacement parts are often run by the OEM when the backorder list gets long enough to make economic sense to do so. Say the minimum setup run is 1000 pieces. When they have a demand for 300 parts they run off 1000 (or 1500) and fill the backorder charging a sizeable premium to cover the cost of the run - and then keep the remainder in stock (at no capital cost) to fill orders for a few more years. Eventually they do run out and stop supplying them - and that's where the "second source" suppliers chip in if a demand exists. Second Source also comes into play if the OEM gets too greedy - if there is money to be made, these companies WILL be there!!!! All that assumes you have a part that they see a need to make. If the usage is a few dozen a year and the cars are going to the junkyard faster than that, nobody is going to tool up to make more parts. If this was a metal part, I might have tried to find one in a junk yard but plastic parts go bad just sitting there. So if no one makes the seatbelt and the body shop won't release the car without all its seatbelts, do you have to throw away the car? A seatbelt is a pretty generic part and you can easily find something in a junkyard that will satisfy the law. Actually, no you can't. Modifications to the restraint system are NOT allowed. In practice it would not be hard to retrofit parts from a different model - but under THE LAW, you can't. You certainly could if it was the same part number or a designated substitute. A little googling should give you a list of target vehicles. What I took issue to was " a pretty generic part and you can easily find something in a junkyard that will satisfy the law. " Sure, if you can find a "direct replacement" in the junkyard, you are golden - and as I said, I've used non-direct replacement units where only a wire plug needed changing. Hasn't stopped me in the past as long as the functionality is the same. Often the difference between 2 parts is the wiring connector - I've been known to replace them to make a newer part fit. The issue is the retractor/lock/and tensioner apparatus which all have to functionproperly. It's not like a '71 Chevy pickup. As far as the door handles on the Prelude are concerned if you REALLY want to keep the car a good body shop can convert it to a newer more common handle - or a custom one. What year prelude did you say it was??? 97 |
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 00:19:46 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 22:48:18 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 20:27:36 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 15:26:11 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 1:08:45 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:54:19 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 10:37:11 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 09:49:47 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 12:19:59 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 05:53:55 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 8:28:50 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 15:11:03 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 4:01:05 PM UTC-5, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:13:18 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 09:23:50 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 11:56:49 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 02:02:12 -0500, micky wrote: Car is in a traffic accident, Body shop won't return the car for 4 months because they ordered a new seat belt and it's not avaibable anywhere in the US, has to come from some other country. Takes 4 months. Have you ever heard that a body shop can't return a car if a seat belt is missing? Why couldn't they get a seatbelt from a junkyard, at least temporarily. They didn't say what kind of car. Thank the Traders of the world for that. It is that "keep us safe, no matter what" thinking. You are right, go to a junk yard and get one. Actually, if it takes 4 months to get a seat belt, maybe it's being caused by one of Trump's trade wars. Notably lacking is any mention of what kind of car this is, how old, etc. I didn't hear about the trade war with Japan or Korea. And the replacement parts would have been made the same year or soon after the original belts were made, long before the stupid tariffs. Build all the parts ever needed for a 1992 Ford Taurus in 1992? I don;t think so. Maybe if a Democrat like your ran the company. Would take a hell of a good forecast and a BF warehouse. I doubt they built OEM parts long after the model run was over. I think you will find that's not true. Why would Bosch, for example, an OEM supplier to BMW, MB, etc, stop making parts after the model build was over. You're telling us they make brake pads, calipers, radiator hoses, etc for the next 20 years, guessing at what the demand might be? That would be nuts. And you can get parts from OEM suppliers like that for cars that are 20 years old today. And no one said the part had to be from an OEM supplier either. Brake pads are a commodity, maintenance items, spanning many years and many product lines. How about things that are year and model specific? 97 Honda Prelude door handle. Lots of people list the part, actually finding one in stock, in the right color, not so much. Did you try the dealer? The dealer searched the national Honda database and came up with a black one, shipped from out of state. My car is red. He told me, they are pretty rare. (two model years, of one model car) And the obvious next question would be, how long to order one from Honda? Again the issue wasn't whether it's in stock at a dealer, in stock in the US, but whether they are still being manufactured. If I go into the MB dealer, they first see if they have it in stock. If not, they check the MB North America warehouse. If they don't have it, they check MB direct. Given that multiple vendors are selling new ones on Ebay, it would seem that those Honda door handles are being manufactured, but it is possible they may not continue to make them in the less popular colors at some point. That was Honda saying they did not have any in the database and they did not think the door handle fairy was going to come up with any more. No manufacturer is going to crank up a line to manufacture a unique part for a car that is more than 10 years old (max under the law). That's just more bad information. There are parts available for just about all cars that are only ten years old. I have a 40 year old classic Mercedes in the garage and many parts are still available new for it. Less now, but even at 20 years, anything I needed I got. If there was enough demand, like for maintenance items (brake pads etc) OEMs would jump in They don't have to jump in, they are where the parts came from to begin with and I've yet to have an experience where a part for a ten year old car is no longer available. Can it happen? Sure, but it's sure not the typical case. I bet there are plenty of model specific parts for that car that are unobtainable "new" from the OEM or any other source. It all depends on anticipated usage and what they have stashed around the world in dealer sops and warehouses. Mercedes (or Honda) makes their money selling new cars. A car that gets junked is a sales opportunity for them. The government requires "reasonable parts support" for 10 years. After that it is whatever is in the pipeline or what an after market comes up with. On a low volume vehicle, unique parts can easily become unavailable "new", particularly if there was an unanticipated demand, late in the cycle, after the OEM has shut down that line. Then again, someone *might* come up with one at 5x the list price, but I am not doing that either. List on the last one I bought was $75 and I did pay $125 by the time I had it in my hand (for the wrong color) but when the other handle broke, I couldn't even find that. but they also would only be interested in parts that span many models and model years. This feeds right back into that headlight conversation. If you have a somewhat rare car and you need a unique headlight assembly, when current stock is gone, they are likely to be gone forever except for salvage parts. Ebay? Plenty of them on Ebay, brand new in various colors. And whether it's stock or not isn't the issue. Sure, the dealer might have to order it. the issue was whether they are still being made. That did not seem to be the case when I looked and they wanted a couple hundred bucks for one in the wrong color. You do need to be careful and be sure they are selling you exactly the same part number or it is not going to fit. They do lie/don't know better. Price is another issue and why people often wind up at a salvage yard. The problem is a plastic door handle in a junk yard will be as environmentally degraded as the one that broke. That is just a tumor transplant. Then just send the whole car to the junk yard, problem solved. 1997 to 2001 are the same handle on Prelude. And they ARE paintable. right side part number 72140SW5Y01xx left side 72183SW3013xx The xx is the color code - Euroautosolutions has all colore listed on ebay for $133.95 each brand new OEM. They are just down the road from you in Lake Mary Florida. I believe the actual business name is Dealer Sales Solutions at 106 Commerce Street in Lake Mary. I believe they can be reached at 407 878 7000. Operated by Dan Rowland. They should have exactly what you are looking for They didn't have one when I was looking. So you checked with them? Did they just not have the right colour, or none that fit? |
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 20:53:45 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 00:15:25 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 22:21:38 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 20:17:23 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 19:22:05 -0500, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:26:36 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:37:00 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 20:28:34 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 15:11:03 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 4:01:05 PM UTC-5, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:13:18 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 09:23:50 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 11:56:49 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 02:02:12 -0500, micky wrote: Car is in a traffic accident, Body shop won't return the car for 4 months because they ordered a new seat belt and it's not avaibable anywhere in the US, has to come from some other country. Takes 4 months. Have you ever heard that a body shop can't return a car if a seat belt is missing? Why couldn't they get a seatbelt from a junkyard, at least temporarily. They didn't say what kind of car. Thank the Traders of the world for that. It is that "keep us safe, no matter what" thinking. You are right, go to a junk yard and get one. Actually, if it takes 4 months to get a seat belt, maybe it's being caused by one of Trump's trade wars. Notably lacking is any mention of what kind of car this is, how old, etc. I didn't hear about the trade war with Japan or Korea. And the replacement parts would have been made the same year or soon after the original belts were made, long before the stupid tariffs. Build all the parts ever needed for a 1992 Ford Taurus in 1992? I don;t think so. Maybe if a Democrat like your ran the company. Would take a hell of a good forecast and a BF warehouse. I doubt they built OEM parts long after the model run was over. They move on. Machines are changed to make parts for new cars and in some cases there just won't be any parts. I ran into that with a door handle for my Honda. There were still people who listed it but they were all out of stock. I ended up fixing the old one, and it wasn't pretty. There are "second source" suppliers for virtually all parts today if you make the effort to find them - and replacement parts are often run by the OEM when the backorder list gets long enough to make economic sense to do so. Say the minimum setup run is 1000 pieces. When they have a demand for 300 parts they run off 1000 (or 1500) and fill the backorder charging a sizeable premium to cover the cost of the run - and then keep the remainder in stock (at no capital cost) to fill orders for a few more years. Eventually they do run out and stop supplying them - and that's where the "second source" suppliers chip in if a demand exists. Second Source also comes into play if the OEM gets too greedy - if there is money to be made, these companies WILL be there!!!! All that assumes you have a part that they see a need to make. If the usage is a few dozen a year and the cars are going to the junkyard faster than that, nobody is going to tool up to make more parts. If this was a metal part, I might have tried to find one in a junk yard but plastic parts go bad just sitting there. So if no one makes the seatbelt and the body shop won't release the car without all its seatbelts, do you have to throw away the car? A seatbelt is a pretty generic part and you can easily find something in a junkyard that will satisfy the law. Actually, no you can't. Modifications to the restraint system are NOT allowed. In practice it would not be hard to retrofit parts from a different model - but under THE LAW, you can't. You certainly could if it was the same part number or a designated substitute. A little googling should give you a list of target vehicles. What I took issue to was " a pretty generic part and you can easily find something in a junkyard that will satisfy the law. " Sure, if you can find a "direct replacement" in the junkyard, you are golden - and as I said, I've used non-direct replacement units where only a wire plug needed changing. Within a manufacturer and in the same general year, I bet there are not that many seat belt assemblies. Sure there will be different plastic covers but I but everything else is the same. Face it, these days GM, Ford and Chrysler don't really make that many different cars. If you don't look at the stick on name plates, it is hard to tell the difference between a Chevy, Buick or Cadillac in the same body type. The difference my wife's MKX (Lincoln) and an Edge is too close to call. We had the lincoln and rented an edge. There were virtually identical. |
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was looking,
On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 20:55:09 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 00:19:46 -0500, wrote: 1997 to 2001 are the same handle on Prelude. And they ARE paintable. right side part number 72140SW5Y01xx left side 72183SW3013xx The xx is the color code - Euroautosolutions has all colore listed on ebay for $133.95 each brand new OEM. They are just down the road from you in Lake Mary Florida. I believe the actual business name is Dealer Sales Solutions at 106 Commerce Street in Lake Mary. I believe they can be reached at 407 878 7000. Operated by Dan Rowland. They should have exactly what you are looking for They didn't have one when I was looking. So you checked with them? Did they just not have the right colour, or none that fit? I looked on Ebay and did a regular Google search with no luck except an Ebay guy who wanted $400 or something. Those guys must have turned up some in a dusty warehouse somewhere in the last year after I was looking. I paid Honda $125 for a black one 2 years ago, it was 3 weeks out. A year ago I know I would have jumped on a red one for $133 "right now" if I could have found it. I was opening the door with a piece of brazing rod. |
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 21:35:41 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 20:53:45 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 00:15:25 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 22:21:38 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 20:17:23 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 19:22:05 -0500, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:26:36 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:37:00 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 20:28:34 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 15:11:03 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 4:01:05 PM UTC-5, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:13:18 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 09:23:50 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 11:56:49 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 02:02:12 -0500, micky wrote: Car is in a traffic accident, Body shop won't return the car for 4 months because they ordered a new seat belt and it's not avaibable anywhere in the US, has to come from some other country. Takes 4 months. Have you ever heard that a body shop can't return a car if a seat belt is missing? Why couldn't they get a seatbelt from a junkyard, at least temporarily. They didn't say what kind of car. Thank the Traders of the world for that. It is that "keep us safe, no matter what" thinking. You are right, go to a junk yard and get one. Actually, if it takes 4 months to get a seat belt, maybe it's being caused by one of Trump's trade wars. Notably lacking is any mention of what kind of car this is, how old, etc. I didn't hear about the trade war with Japan or Korea. And the replacement parts would have been made the same year or soon after the original belts were made, long before the stupid tariffs. Build all the parts ever needed for a 1992 Ford Taurus in 1992? I don;t think so. Maybe if a Democrat like your ran the company. Would take a hell of a good forecast and a BF warehouse. I doubt they built OEM parts long after the model run was over. They move on. Machines are changed to make parts for new cars and in some cases there just won't be any parts. I ran into that with a door handle for my Honda. There were still people who listed it but they were all out of stock. I ended up fixing the old one, and it wasn't pretty. There are "second source" suppliers for virtually all parts today if you make the effort to find them - and replacement parts are often run by the OEM when the backorder list gets long enough to make economic sense to do so. Say the minimum setup run is 1000 pieces. When they have a demand for 300 parts they run off 1000 (or 1500) and fill the backorder charging a sizeable premium to cover the cost of the run - and then keep the remainder in stock (at no capital cost) to fill orders for a few more years. Eventually they do run out and stop supplying them - and that's where the "second source" suppliers chip in if a demand exists. Second Source also comes into play if the OEM gets too greedy - if there is money to be made, these companies WILL be there!!!! All that assumes you have a part that they see a need to make. If the usage is a few dozen a year and the cars are going to the junkyard faster than that, nobody is going to tool up to make more parts. If this was a metal part, I might have tried to find one in a junk yard but plastic parts go bad just sitting there. So if no one makes the seatbelt and the body shop won't release the car without all its seatbelts, do you have to throw away the car? A seatbelt is a pretty generic part and you can easily find something in a junkyard that will satisfy the law. Actually, no you can't. Modifications to the restraint system are NOT allowed. In practice it would not be hard to retrofit parts from a different model - but under THE LAW, you can't. You certainly could if it was the same part number or a designated substitute. A little googling should give you a list of target vehicles. What I took issue to was " a pretty generic part and you can easily find something in a junkyard that will satisfy the law. " Sure, if you can find a "direct replacement" in the junkyard, you are golden - and as I said, I've used non-direct replacement units where only a wire plug needed changing. Within a manufacturer and in the same general year, I bet there are not that many seat belt assemblies. Sure there will be different plastic covers but I but everything else is the same. Face it, these days GM, Ford and Chrysler don't really make that many different cars. If you don't look at the stick on name plates, it is hard to tell the difference between a Chevy, Buick or Cadillac in the same body type. The difference my wife's MKX (Lincoln) and an Edge is too close to call. We had the lincoln and rented an edge. There were virtually identical. Correct. But that's not what I heard said. |
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 21:42:42 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 20:55:09 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 00:19:46 -0500, wrote: 1997 to 2001 are the same handle on Prelude. And they ARE paintable. right side part number 72140SW5Y01xx left side 72183SW3013xx The xx is the color code - Euroautosolutions has all colore listed on ebay for $133.95 each brand new OEM. They are just down the road from you in Lake Mary Florida. I believe the actual business name is Dealer Sales Solutions at 106 Commerce Street in Lake Mary. I believe they can be reached at 407 878 7000. Operated by Dan Rowland. They should have exactly what you are looking for They didn't have one when I was looking. So you checked with them? Did they just not have the right colour, or none that fit? I looked on Ebay and did a regular Google search with no luck except an Ebay guy who wanted $400 or something. Those guys must have turned up some in a dusty warehouse somewhere in the last year after I was looking. I paid Honda $125 for a black one 2 years ago, it was 3 weeks out. A year ago I know I would have jumped on a red one for $133 "right now" if I could have found it. I was opening the door with a piece of brazing rod. Knowing where to look is the important part. They don't have everything they have for sale on EBAY. ANd surprisingly there are a lot of places who STILL do not do any internet sales, much-less ebay |
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