Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212

On 11/29/19 11:57 PM, micky wrote:

Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


So if the escalator stops abruptly and she loses her balance, falls and injures herself, who pays?

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 06:21:18 -0500, devnull wrote:

On 11/29/19 11:57 PM, micky wrote:

Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


So if the escalator stops abruptly and she loses her balance, falls and injures herself, who pays?

The Canadian Health Care System, maybe that is why they feel this way.
Live in a nanny state, expect Nanny to tell you what to do.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 06:21:18 -0500, devnull wrote:

On 11/29/19 11:57 PM, micky wrote:

Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


So if the escalator stops abruptly and she loses her balance, falls and injures herself, who pays?



Who pays ?
The government's evil socialist health care system, silly !
John T.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:02:54 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 06:21:18 -0500, devnull wrote:

On 11/29/19 11:57 PM, micky wrote:

Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


So if the escalator stops abruptly and she loses her balance, falls and injures herself, who pays?

The Canadian Health Care System, maybe that is why they feel this way.
Live in a nanny state, expect Nanny to tell you what to do.


If you could please refrain from painting all Canadians with the
brush of a single silly subway security guard in Quebec -
the rest of us 35 million would much appreciate.
I suspect that the idiotic decisions of the lower courts were
also a regional anomoly.
John T.

On 11/30/2019 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 06:21:18 -0500, devnull wrote:

On 11/29/19 11:57 PM, micky wrote:
Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212

So if the escalator stops abruptly and she loses her balance, falls and injures herself, who pays?


Who pays ?
The government's evil socialist health care system, silly !
John T.

Yah, like most other things, the working taxpayers would pay her medical bills.Â* Socialism works!

--
Get off my lawn!

On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


I won't use an escalator any more. Power went out once and I got stuck
on one for over an hour. Terrible experience.

On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


I won't use an escalator any more.Â* Power went out once and I got stuck on one for over an hour.Â* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.Â* A few million might ease your trauma.

--
Get off my lawn!

On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212



I won't use an escalator any more.Â* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.Â* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.Â* A
few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them cooking
their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made with meat.

On 11/30/2019 10:50 AM, Frank wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212



I won't use an escalator any more.Â* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.Â* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.
A few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them cooking
their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made with meat.

Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.

On 11/30/2019 11:44 AM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:50 AM, Frank wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212



I won't use an escalator any more.Â* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.Â* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.
A few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them
cooking their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made
with meat.

Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.

As a judge put it at a son's graduation, we are dumbing down America to
where we need a warning on a hot cup of coffee that spilling it on
yourself might burn you.

On 11/30/2019 06:26 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:02:54 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 06:21:18 -0500, devnull wrote:

On 11/29/19 11:57 PM, micky wrote:

Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


So if the escalator stops abruptly and she loses her balance, falls and injures herself, who pays?

The Canadian Health Care System, maybe that is why they feel this way.
Live in a nanny state, expect Nanny to tell you what to do.


If you could please refrain from painting all Canadians with the
brush of a single silly subway security guard in Quebec -
the rest of us 35 million would much appreciate.
I suspect that the idiotic decisions of the lower courts were
also a regional anomoly.
John T.


Fabio Camacho, now there's a good Quebec name... Kosian and the
layer, Aymar Missakila, are other good ones.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...rail-1.5377772

That article has a photo with the caption:

"Bela Kosoian, right, reads the Supreme Court of Canada decision with Fo
Niemi, executive director for the Center for Research Action on Race
Relations."

http://www.crarr.org/?q=node/19998

suggests Missakila works for CRARR. He also is an import from the Congo
who wants to remake Quebec into a vibrant multi-cultural place like the
Congo.

https://www.goupstate.com/article/NC.../605192630/SJ/

I think there are a few more angles here than an escalator handrail.

Oh well, Montreal always did suck.

On 11/30/2019 08:50 AM, Frank wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212



I won't use an escalator any more. Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour. Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.
A few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them cooking
their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made with meat.

Next thing they'll be mixing the milchig and fleishig utensils.

On 11/30/2019 09:44 AM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:50 AM, Frank wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212



I won't use an escalator any more. Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour. Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.
A few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them
cooking their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made
with meat.

Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.

If you dig into that it's not as stupid as it sounds. The old lady
boiled her snatch, spent 8 days in the hospital, had skin grafts, and
was in rehab for a long time. She asked for $20,000 to cover the medical
expenses and McDonald's offered $800. Then it was off to the races.

Some of the frivolous suits start when a large corporation stonewalls.
They have a flock of corporate lawyers sitting around picking their
noses so it doesn't cost them much to bulldoze John Q.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:26:28 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:02:54 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 06:21:18 -0500, devnull wrote:

On 11/29/19 11:57 PM, micky wrote:

Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


So if the escalator stops abruptly and she loses her balance, falls and injures herself, who pays?

The Canadian Health Care System, maybe that is why they feel this way.
Live in a nanny state, expect Nanny to tell you what to do.


If you could please refrain from painting all Canadians with the
brush of a single silly subway security guard in Quebec -
the rest of us 35 million would much appreciate.
I suspect that the idiotic decisions of the lower courts were
also a regional anomoly.
John T.


I wonder who paid her lawyer bills. Simply saying she was eventually
acquitted doesn't mean she didn't pay dearly for a crime she didn't
commit.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 10:50:24 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212



I won't use an escalator any more.Â* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.Â* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.Â* A
few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them cooking
their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made with meat.

Burger King, if it matters.

On 11/30/2019 11:14 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:26:28 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:02:54 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 06:21:18 -0500, devnull wrote:

On 11/29/19 11:57 PM, micky wrote:

Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


So if the escalator stops abruptly and she loses her balance, falls and injures herself, who pays?

The Canadian Health Care System, maybe that is why they feel this way.
Live in a nanny state, expect Nanny to tell you what to do.


If you could please refrain from painting all Canadians with the
brush of a single silly subway security guard in Quebec -
the rest of us 35 million would much appreciate.
I suspect that the idiotic decisions of the lower courts were
also a regional anomoly.
John T.


I wonder who paid her lawyer bills. Simply saying she was eventually
acquitted doesn't mean she didn't pay dearly for a crime she didn't
commit.


The lawyer was a Congolese working for some sort of race relations
organization. There is more here than meets the eye.

In article ,
says...
Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.

If you dig into that it's not as stupid as it sounds. The old lady
boiled her snatch, spent 8 days in the hospital, had skin grafts, and
was in rehab for a long time. She asked for $20,000 to cover the medical
expenses and McDonald's offered $800. Then it was off to the races.

Some of the frivolous suits start when a large corporation stonewalls.
They have a flock of corporate lawyers sitting around picking their
noses so it doesn't cost them much to bulldoze John Q.



The woman did something stupid. It was her fault.

Just as if I bought a brick or cinder block and dropped it on my foot
and broke my foot. Do I sue the people that sold me the brick and the
ones that made it ?

The company should probably have paid, as almost anytime a company is
sued by an individual , the person will win. They have the attitude
that it is just the insurance company and feel that they are getting
ripped off by the insurance comapany.

I would probably go against the insurance company because I felt ripped
off by one. A car ran a stop sign and I hit them. Was not going very
fast, but the front was damaged, the car went sideways and took out the
whole drivers side,and the around the back to wipe out the back. The
metal was not pushed in all that much. However the cost to repair it
was excessive. The car was only 3 years old in 1972. They told me they
found one for $ 1700 similar to mine, but were only going to give me $
1400.

On 11/29/2019 8:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail



Is that what your buttbuddy tells you?

The lawyer was a Congolese working for some sort of race relations
organization. There is more here than meets the eye.


Yep - it's doubtful that a regular citizen would opt to go
to the Supreme Court over something so trivial.
It's good that the Supreme Court got it right .
John T.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 15:31:40 -0500, wrote:


The lawyer was a Congolese working for some sort of race relations
organization. There is more here than meets the eye.


Yep - it's doubtful that a regular citizen would opt to go
to the Supreme Court over something so trivial.
It's good that the Supreme Court got it right .
John T.

If people don't call an over officious government to task every now
and then it just keeps getting worse. It is just too bad that you
usually end up with a 6 figure legal bill if there is not some other
entity willing to foot the bill.

On 11/30/2019 12:16 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.
If you dig into that it's not as stupid as it sounds. The old lady
boiled her snatch, spent 8 days in the hospital, had skin grafts, and
was in rehab for a long time. She asked for $20,000 to cover the medical
expenses and McDonald's offered $800. Then it was off to the races.

Some of the frivolous suits start when a large corporation stonewalls.
They have a flock of corporate lawyers sitting around picking their
noses so it doesn't cost them much to bulldoze John Q.


The woman did something stupid. It was her fault.

Yeah, it was stupid to assume you could add cream in sugar to 190 degree
coffee without letting it cool down for half an hour.

I have a little sympathy since when I get a cup of drive through coffee
I'd really prefer to drink it now and not 30 miles down the road.

The stupid part was holding it between her legs while trying to pry the
lid off.

On 11/30/2019 1:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/30/2019 09:44 AM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:50 AM, Frank wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212




I won't use an escalator any more.Â* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.Â* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.
A few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them
cooking their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made
with meat.

Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.

If you dig into that it's not as stupid as it sounds. The old lady
boiled her snatch, spent 8 days in the hospital, had skin grafts, and
was in rehab for a long time. She asked for $20,000 to cover the medical
expenses and McDonald's offered $800. Then it was off to the races.

I disagree. It sucks for the woman, but if people don't have the common
sense about hot beverages, it's not the fault of anyone else.

Some of the frivolous suits start when a large corporation stonewalls.
They have a flock of corporate lawyers sitting around picking their
noses so it doesn't cost them much to bulldoze John Q.

If they settle due to the fault of the user, then when does it stop?
John Q 1 through 1000 will also sue because they can get a settlement.
The systems is already effed because the courts allow stupidity as
legitimate.

On 11/30/2019 2:16 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.

If you dig into that it's not as stupid as it sounds. The old lady
boiled her snatch, spent 8 days in the hospital, had skin grafts, and
was in rehab for a long time. She asked for $20,000 to cover the medical
expenses and McDonald's offered $800. Then it was off to the races.

Some of the frivolous suits start when a large corporation stonewalls.
They have a flock of corporate lawyers sitting around picking their
noses so it doesn't cost them much to bulldoze John Q.



The woman did something stupid. It was her fault.

Agreed.

Just as if I bought a brick or cinder block and dropped it on my foot
and broke my foot. Do I sue the people that sold me the brick and the
ones that made it ?

The company should probably have paid, as almost anytime a company is
sued by an individual , the person will win. They have the attitude
that it is just the insurance company and feel that they are getting
ripped off by the insurance comapany.

If they pay, then the line increases with other frivolous law suits
expecting a payout because they d=know they can.

I would probably go against the insurance company because I felt ripped
off by one. A car ran a stop sign and I hit them. Was not going very
fast, but the front was damaged, the car went sideways and took out the
whole drivers side,and the around the back to wipe out the back. The
metal was not pushed in all that much. However the cost to repair it
was excessive. The car was only 3 years old in 1972. They told me they
found one for $ 1700 similar to mine, but were only going to give me $
1400.


Insurance companies are the biggest scammers in this current era.

On 11/30/2019 8:17 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/30/2019 12:16 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
*Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot
coffee
on her lap and burned herself.
If you dig into that it's not as stupid as it sounds. The old lady
boiled her snatch, spent 8 days in the hospital, had skin grafts, and
was in rehab for a long time. She asked for $20,000 to cover the medical
expenses and McDonald's offered $800. Then it was off to the races.

Some of the frivolous suits start when a large corporation stonewalls.
They have a flock of corporate lawyers sitting around picking their
noses so it doesn't cost them much to bulldoze John Q.


The woman did something stupid.* It was her fault.

Yeah, it was stupid to assume you could add cream in sugar to 190 degree
coffee without letting it cool down for half an hour.

I have a little sympathy since when I get a cup of drive through coffee

But you're aware of the fact it's hot and can scald your skin if spilled
and aware there's the potential to squeeze it too hard and squeeze the
liquid out or pop the lid when it's between your legs.

I have no sympathy for lack of common sense.

I'd really prefer to drink it now and not 30 miles down the road.

The stupid part was holding it between her legs while trying to pry the
lid off.

On 11/30/2019 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 10:50:24 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212



I won't use an escalator any more.Â* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.Â* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.Â* A
few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them cooking
their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made with meat.

Burger King, if it matters.


I stand corrected, but no, it doesn't matter.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:26:28 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:02:54 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 06:21:18 -0500, devnull wrote:

On 11/29/19 11:57 PM, micky wrote:

Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


So if the escalator stops abruptly and she loses her balance, falls and injures herself, who pays?

The Canadian Health Care System, maybe that is why they feel this way.
Live in a nanny state, expect Nanny to tell you what to do.


If you could please refrain from painting all Canadians with the
brush of a single silly subway security guard in Quebec -
the rest of us 35 million would much appreciate.
I suspect that the idiotic decisions of the lower courts were
also a regional anomoly.
John T.

As MP John Reimer said several years back- "they do things differently
in Quebec". He was sanctioned for it - but he was RIGHT

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:59:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


I won't use an escalator any more. Power went out once and I got stuck
on one for over an hour. Terrible experience.

I'm sure it was. Did they call the fire department? Any old, sickly
people on the escalator?

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:49:09 -0500, Hawk
wrote:

On 11/30/2019 1:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/30/2019 09:44 AM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:50 AM, Frank wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212




I won't use an escalator any more.* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.
A few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them
cooking their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made
with meat.

Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.

If you dig into that it's not as stupid as it sounds. The old lady
boiled her snatch, spent 8 days in the hospital, had skin grafts, and
was in rehab for a long time. She asked for $20,000 to cover the medical
expenses and McDonald's offered $800. Then it was off to the races.

I disagree. It sucks for the woman, but if people don't have the common
sense about hot beverages, it's not the fault of anyone else.

It was McDonalds's fault You probably dont' know all the facts. No
quotation marks for the quotes below:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...stella-liebeck
basically everything people think they know about the McDonald’s hot
coffee lawsuit is false.

In the decade before Liebeck’s spill, McDonald’s had received 700
reports of people burning themselves. McDonald’s admitted that its
coffee was a hazard at such high temperatures. But it continued the
practice, enforced by official McDonald’s policy, of heating up its
coffee to near-boiling point.

Liebeck didn’t want to go to court. She just wanted McDonald’s to pay
her medical expenses, estimated at $20,000. McDonald’s only offered
$800, leading her to file a lawsuit in 1994.

After hearing the evidence, the jury concluded that McDonald’s handling
of its coffee was so irresponsible that Liebeck should get much more
than $20,000, suggesting she get nearly $2.9 million to send the company
a message. Liebeck settled for less than $600,000. And McDonald’s began
changing how it heats up its coffee.

So how did the public’s view of this case get so warped? According to
Conover, lawyers spent years running a disinformation campaign, which
much of the media bought into, holding up the McDonald’s coffee lawsuit
as an example of a supposed epidemic of frivolous lawsuits.

https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts

https://segarlaw.com/blog/myths-and-...t-coffee-case/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebec...7s_Restaurants
Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for $20,000 to cover her actual
and anticipated expenses. Her past medical expenses were $10,500; her
anticipated future medical expenses were approximately $2,500; and her
daughter's[15] loss of income was approximately $5,000 for a total of
approximately $18,000.[18] Instead, the company offered only $800.



Some of the frivolous suits start when a large corporation stonewalls.
They have a flock of corporate lawyers sitting around picking their
noses so it doesn't cost them much to bulldoze John Q.

If they settle due to the fault of the user, then when does it stop?

Doesn't apply here


John Q 1 through 1000 will also sue because they can get a settlement.
The systems is already effed because the courts allow stupidity as
legitimate.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:57:33 -0500, Hawk wrote:

On 11/30/2019 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 10:50:24 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212



I won't use an escalator any more.Â* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.Â* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.Â* A
few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them cooking
their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made with meat.

Burger King, if it matters.


I stand corrected, but no, it doesn't matter.

It does matter somewhat since they don't use a grille at Burger King.
The patties go through a flame broiler and if there was any residual
grease on that chain mat it would quickly be burned off.

On 11/30/2019 9:55 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:59:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212


I won't use an escalator any more. Power went out once and I got stuck
on one for over an hour. Terrible experience.

I'm sure it was. Did they call the fire department? Any old, sickly
people on the escalator?


There was an elderly lady. They had her straddle the railing and slid
her down. She said she hasn't felst so good since her husband died.

In article ,
says...

I have a little sympathy since when I get a cup of drive through coffee
I'd really prefer to drink it now and not 30 miles down the road.




You should not be drinking the coffee while driving. If you spill it,
even if it is a drink that is not hot like water and you have to make a
sudden stop or have to make a quick turn you will be distracted.

However in some of the traffic jams I have seen , you can drink that cup
of coffee before you go a block, even giving it time to cool down.

On 11/30/2019 10:53 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:57:33 -0500, Hawk wrote:

On 11/30/2019 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 10:50:24 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212



I won't use an escalator any more.Â* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.Â* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.Â* A
few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them cooking
their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made with meat.

Burger King, if it matters.


I stand corrected, but no, it doesn't matter.

It does matter somewhat since they don't use a grille at Burger King.
The patties go through a flame broiler and if there was any residual
grease on that chain mat it would quickly be burned off.


I missed who you were responding to. I thought you were correcting me on
the burning coffee location.

On 11/30/2019 10:11 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:49:09 -0500, Hawk
wrote:

On 11/30/2019 1:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/30/2019 09:44 AM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:50 AM, Frank wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212




I won't use an escalator any more.Â* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.Â* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.
A few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them
cooking their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made
with meat.

Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.

If you dig into that it's not as stupid as it sounds. The old lady
boiled her snatch, spent 8 days in the hospital, had skin grafts, and
was in rehab for a long time. She asked for $20,000 to cover the medical
expenses and McDonald's offered $800. Then it was off to the races.

I disagree. It sucks for the woman, but if people don't have the common
sense about hot beverages, it's not the fault of anyone else.

It was McDonalds's fault You probably dont' know all the facts. No
quotation marks for the quotes below:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...stella-liebeck
basically everything people think they know about the McDonalds hot
coffee lawsuit is false.

In the decade before Liebecks spill, McDonalds had received 700
reports of people burning themselves. McDonalds admitted that its
coffee was a hazard at such high temperatures. But it continued the
practice, enforced by official McDonalds policy, of heating up its
coffee to near-boiling point.

Liebeck didnt want to go to court. She just wanted McDonalds to pay
her medical expenses, estimated at $20,000. McDonalds only offered
$800, leading her to file a lawsuit in 1994.

After hearing the evidence, the jury concluded that McDonalds handling
of its coffee was so irresponsible that Liebeck should get much more
than $20,000, suggesting she get nearly $2.9 million to send the company
a message. Liebeck settled for less than $600,000. And McDonalds began
changing how it heats up its coffee.

So how did the publics view of this case get so warped? According to
Conover, lawyers spent years running a disinformation campaign, which
much of the media bought into, holding up the McDonalds coffee lawsuit
as an example of a supposed epidemic of frivolous lawsuits.

https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts

https://segarlaw.com/blog/myths-and-...t-coffee-case/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebec...7s_Restaurants
Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for $20,000 to cover her actual
and anticipated expenses. Her past medical expenses were $10,500; her
anticipated future medical expenses were approximately $2,500; and her
daughter's[15] loss of income was approximately $5,000 for a total of
approximately $18,000.[18] Instead, the company offered only $800.



Some of the frivolous suits start when a large corporation stonewalls.
They have a flock of corporate lawyers sitting around picking their
noses so it doesn't cost them much to bulldoze John Q.

If they settle due to the fault of the user, then when does it stop?

Doesn't apply here


John Q 1 through 1000 will also sue because they can get a settlement.
The systems is already effed because the courts allow stupidity as
legitimate.


IMO, I still have no sympathy. Coffee, hot chocolate, tea and other hot
beverages are "HOT". Drinking a hot beverage and driving is risky
enough, setting it between your legs increases the risk. Tough nookies.
She isn't owed anything for her stupidity.


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...457-story.html


How hot is your coffee? Probably hotter than you think.

Last month, an Albuquerque, N.M., jury awarded $2.7 million to a woman
scalded by McDonalds coffee--an amount reduced this week to $480,000 by
the trial judge.

The jury blamed McDonalds for continuing to sell coffee at a
temperature the company knew could cause burns. Evidence showed
McDonalds coffee was hotter than that served at other restaurants.

Perhaps in Albuquerque. According to our admittedly unscientific survey,
at least one Burger King and one Starbucks outlet serve coffee hotter
than McDonalds. We found temperatures ranging from a low of 157 degrees
at Primos, a small chain of coffee shops, to a high of 182 degrees at
one Downtown Los Angeles Burger King.

In the Albuquerque case, it was disclosed that McDonalds brews coffee
at 195 to 205 degrees and holds it at 180 to 190 degrees.

If you conduct this temperature test at home, you may find similar
results with your own coffee. According to the Assn. of Home Appliances
Manufacturers, brewing temperatures for coffee makers range from 170 to
205 degrees.

The coffee industry is loath to turn down the heat, despite potential
liability for burns. The Specialty Coffee Assn., whose members include
coffee roasters, retailers and restaurants, says coffee tastes best if
brewed at 195 to 205 degrees.

Ted Lingel, executive director of the association, said members are
discussing other safety measures, such as printing warnings on
cups--already a practice at McDonalds--and using spill-proof lids.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 23:36:13 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I have a little sympathy since when I get a cup of drive through coffee
I'd really prefer to drink it now and not 30 miles down the road.




You should not be drinking the coffee while driving. If you spill it,
even if it is a drink that is not hot like water and you have to make a
sudden stop or have to make a quick turn you will be distracted.

However in some of the traffic jams I have seen , you can drink that cup
of coffee before you go a block, even giving it time to cool down.


I wonder how long it will be until they reverse the drive through so
the food goes in the passenger window. There is no placeable reason to
believe a driver, alone in the car is not going to be eating and
drinking while they drive. Eating a whopper or drinking hot coffee is
every bit as distracting as holding a cell phone.
I doubt you can buy a mixed drink at the drive through anymore. That
used to be a thing in Southern Md.

On 11/30/2019 10:07 PM, Hawk wrote:

The coffee industry is loath to turn down the heat, despite potential
liability for burns. The Specialty Coffee Assn., whose members include
coffee roasters, retailers and restaurants, says coffee tastes best if
brewed at 195 to 205 degrees.

There is a difference between brewing and serving coffee. Presumably
McDonalds is in the business of serving coffee.

https://www.littlecoffeeplace.com/co...al-temperature

On 11/30/2019 09:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:55 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:59:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212



I won't use an escalator any more. Power went out once and I got stuck
on one for over an hour. Terrible experience.

I'm sure it was. Did they call the fire department? Any old, sickly
people on the escalator?


There was an elderly lady. They had her straddle the railing and slid
her down. She said she hasn't felst so good since her husband died.

Must have been those little hockey pucks they put on the rails so the
juvenile delinquents down slid on them. One of the staircases in town
has stainless steel silhouettes of salmon on the rail. Anybody trying to
slide down them isn't going to have to pay for a sex change operation.

On 11/30/2019 09:36 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

I have a little sympathy since when I get a cup of drive through coffee
I'd really prefer to drink it now and not 30 miles down the road.




You should not be drinking the coffee while driving. If you spill it,
even if it is a drink that is not hot like water and you have to make a
sudden stop or have to make a quick turn you will be distracted.

However in some of the traffic jams I have seen , you can drink that cup
of coffee before you go a block, even giving it time to cool down.


You're kidding, right? You really don't want to think about what
truckers get up to. I used to make sandwiches while going down the road
at 65 with the cruise control set.

On 11/30/2019 10:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 23:36:13 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I have a little sympathy since when I get a cup of drive through coffee
I'd really prefer to drink it now and not 30 miles down the road.




You should not be drinking the coffee while driving. If you spill it,
even if it is a drink that is not hot like water and you have to make a
sudden stop or have to make a quick turn you will be distracted.

However in some of the traffic jams I have seen , you can drink that cup
of coffee before you go a block, even giving it time to cool down.


I wonder how long it will be until they reverse the drive through so
the food goes in the passenger window. There is no placeable reason to
believe a driver, alone in the car is not going to be eating and
drinking while they drive. Eating a whopper or drinking hot coffee is
every bit as distracting as holding a cell phone.
I doubt you can buy a mixed drink at the drive through anymore. That
used to be a thing in Southern Md.


Whoppers aren't bad although the dressing tends to drip on your crotch.
Colonel Sanders chicken is a disaster though. Nothing like a well
greased steering wheel.

I've seen drive through liquor stores but I've never seen single serving
drinks.

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 1 Dec 2019 00:07:03 -0500, Hawk
wrote:

On 11/30/2019 10:11 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:49:09 -0500, Hawk
wrote:

On 11/30/2019 1:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/30/2019 09:44 AM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:50 AM, Frank wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212




I won't use an escalator any more.* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.
A few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them
cooking their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made
with meat.

Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.

If you dig into that it's not as stupid as it sounds. The old lady
boiled her snatch, spent 8 days in the hospital, had skin grafts, and
was in rehab for a long time. She asked for $20,000 to cover the medical
expenses and McDonald's offered $800. Then it was off to the races.

I disagree. It sucks for the woman, but if people don't have the common
sense about hot beverages, it's not the fault of anyone else.

It was McDonalds's fault You probably dont' know all the facts. No
quotation marks for the quotes below:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...stella-liebeck
basically everything people think they know about the McDonald’s hot
coffee lawsuit is false.

In the decade before Liebeck’s spill, McDonald’s had received 700
reports of people burning themselves. McDonald’s admitted that its
coffee was a hazard at such high temperatures. But it continued the
practice, enforced by official McDonald’s policy, of heating up its
coffee to near-boiling point.

Liebeck didn’t want to go to court. She just wanted McDonald’s to pay
her medical expenses, estimated at $20,000. McDonald’s only offered
$800, leading her to file a lawsuit in 1994.

After hearing the evidence, the jury concluded that McDonald’s handling
of its coffee was so irresponsible that Liebeck should get much more
than $20,000, suggesting she get nearly $2.9 million to send the company
a message. Liebeck settled for less than $600,000. And McDonald’s began
changing how it heats up its coffee.

So how did the public’s view of this case get so warped? According to
Conover, lawyers spent years running a disinformation campaign, which
much of the media bought into, holding up the McDonald’s coffee lawsuit
as an example of a supposed epidemic of frivolous lawsuits.

https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts

https://segarlaw.com/blog/myths-and-...t-coffee-case/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebec...7s_Restaurants
Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for $20,000 to cover her actual
and anticipated expenses. Her past medical expenses were $10,500; her
anticipated future medical expenses were approximately $2,500; and her
daughter's[15] loss of income was approximately $5,000 for a total of
approximately $18,000.[18] Instead, the company offered only $800.



Some of the frivolous suits start when a large corporation stonewalls.
They have a flock of corporate lawyers sitting around picking their
noses so it doesn't cost them much to bulldoze John Q.

If they settle due to the fault of the user, then when does it stop?

Doesn't apply here


John Q 1 through 1000 will also sue because they can get a settlement.
The systems is already effed because the courts allow stupidity as
legitimate.


IMO, I still have no sympathy. Coffee, hot chocolate, tea and other hot
beverages are "HOT".

Not that hot.

Maybe it's my fault for leaving out part of the facts on that.

McDonald’s didn’t just serve their coffee hot– their operations manual
required that is be served between 180 and 190 degrees; 30-40 degrees
hotter than other coffee-serving restaurants in the area. The Shriner’s
Burn Institute in Cincinnati issued warnings that coffee served above
130 degrees was “dangerously hot.” McDonald’s knew that their coffee
was “not fit for consumption” at the temperature it was served because
it caused third-degree burns within 3-7 seconds of contact with the
skin. In the ten years prior to this accident they had 700 complaints
of burns from their coffee, including complaints of burns to children
and infants from accidental spills.


(Or maybe it's your fault for not reading the posts I gave, or
concentrating on editorials you like. Or maybe you're just callous.
Wait until something like this happens to someone you care about.)

Drinking a hot beverage and driving is risky
enough, setting it between your legs increases the risk. Tough nookies.
She isn't owed anything for her stupidity.


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...457-story.html


How hot is your coffee? Probably hotter than you think.

Last month, an Albuquerque, N.M., jury awarded $2.7 million to a woman
scalded by McDonald’s coffee--an amount reduced this week to $480,000 by
the trial judge.

The jury blamed McDonald’s for continuing to sell coffee at a
temperature the company knew could cause burns. Evidence showed
McDonald’s coffee was hotter than that served at other restaurants.

Perhaps in Albuquerque. According to our admittedly unscientific survey,
at least one Burger King and one Starbucks outlet serve coffee hotter
than McDonald’s. We found temperatures ranging from a low of 157 degrees
at Primo’s, a small chain of coffee shops, to a high of 182 degrees at
one Downtown Los Angeles Burger King.

This one is just betting nothing will go wrong. There are lots of
negligent places like this, not just regarding coffee.

And McD's excuse was that it should still be hot after people drove to
work. Here they are already in downtown. How long does it take to walk
to work from there.

In the Albuquerque case, it was disclosed that McDonald’s brews coffee
at 195 to 205 degrees and holds it at 180 to 190 degrees.

If you conduct this temperature test at home, you may find similar
results with your own coffee.

Have you done this?

According to the Assn. of Home Appliances
Manufacturers, brewing temperatures for coffee makers range from 170 to
205 degrees.

And not meant to be carried in a moving car.

The coffee industry is loath to turn down the heat, despite potential
liability for burns. The Specialty Coffee Assn., whose members include
coffee roasters, retailers and restaurants, says coffee tastes best if
brewed at 195 to 205 degrees.

Maybe, but it doesn't have to be kept as hot as it is. They can let it
cool before selling it at the drive-in window.

Ted Lingel, executive director of the association, said members are
discussing other safety measures, such as printing warnings on
cups--already a practice at McDonald’s--and using spill-proof lids.

How do you get the cream and sugar in.