|
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers
in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. -- Dave |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On 10/19/19 11:13 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. Try these guys: https://www.schneider-electric.us/en...uit-breakers/# or maybe https://www.homedepot.com/b/Electric...35,6 203,6210 |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 22:13:31 -0500, Dave Garrett
wrote: Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. I assume you are talking about a 240v tandem breaker (2 240v circuits in 2 slots) It isn't legal but I used two of the tandem breakers with the full size handle in line (not 2 little ones side by side) with handle tie kits. Folks install sub panels to solve problems like this if the breaker is truly unobtainium. |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 22:13:31 -0500, Dave Garrett
wrote: Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. A standard current Square D QO breaker should plug right in - and you can use it in the new QO panel when you eventually replace it - QO215CP should be the part number for the replacement for a 15 amp - QO220CP for a 20 amp. Home Despot even carries them in stock - likely about $25 US |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 22:13:31 -0500, Dave Garrett
wrote: Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. The QO breaker today fits right back to 1955 QO panels. QOB breakers may not fit the older panels - not sure - but those are the tandem 120 volt ones - not 120/240 |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On 10/19/19 11:13 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. From your vague description it sounds like a QOT1515CP breaker https://www.amazon.com/Square-Schnei...dp/B00002NB37/ https://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D...15CP/100076261 |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 10:13:41 PM UTC-5, Dave Garrett wrote:
Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. I usually look on Ebay. |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 06:08:38 -0400, ESP wrote:
On 10/19/19 11:13 PM, Dave Garrett wrote: Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. From your vague description it sounds like a QOT1515CP breaker https://www.amazon.com/Square-Schnei...dp/B00002NB37/ https://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D...15CP/100076261 The fact that he said 240v implies 2 breaker slots, tandem implies two breakers in each slot (two 240v circuits in two slots). I have seen that breaker but not since the mid 60s. It may be because they were not simultaneous trip and depended on the handle ties. That used to be legal, not it isn't. |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On 10/19/2019 11:13 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. Their web sites have toll free numbers. Try calling them? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On 10/20/19 4:51 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
In article , says... Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. Thanks to all for the feedback. I realize my description wasn't the best, so to clarify I've uploaded a couple of pics of the panel to Flickr. The breaker that failed is the one in the #2 slot. https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNy4 https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNx7 See this FAQ for info on replacement for that old style. https://www.schneider-electric.us/en...US#__highlight "What is the difference in QOT Tandem breakers with handles one over the other, versus side by side? The current style single-pole QOT Tandem Breaker has 2 handles, and the handles are side by side. This style can be used in place of the older style in a single-pole application." |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:51:58 -0500, Dave Garrett
wrote: In article , says... Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. Thanks to all for the feedback. I realize my description wasn't the best, so to clarify I've uploaded a couple of pics of the panel to Flickr. The breaker that failed is the one in the #2 slot. https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNy4 https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNx7 OK the breaker everyone has linked will work. I thought you were talking about the "unicorn" tandem 240 breaker. The 2 operating handles are side by side not inline but it works the same. I am surprised your "electrician" didn't know that. |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 17:30:22 -0400, wrote:
On 10/20/19 4:51 PM, Dave Garrett wrote: In article , says... Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. Thanks to all for the feedback. I realize my description wasn't the best, so to clarify I've uploaded a couple of pics of the panel to Flickr. The breaker that failed is the one in the #2 slot. https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNy4 https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNx7 See this FAQ for info on replacement for that old style. https://www.schneider-electric.us/en...US#__highlight "What is the difference in QOT Tandem breakers with handles one over the other, versus side by side? The current style single-pole QOT Tandem Breaker has 2 handles, and the handles are side by side. This style can be used in place of the older style in a single-pole application." With that last statement they are alluding to the two pole (240v) application you used to be able to do with the over/under breakers and a couple handle tie kits. The NEC made that illegal many cycles ago. You can still use it for multiwire circuits, using the handle tie only but you need a common trip pair for 240v applications. |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On 10/20/2019 3:51 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
In article , says... Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. .... Thanks to all for the feedback. I realize my description wasn't the best, so to clarify I've uploaded a couple of pics of the panel to Flickr. The breaker that failed is the one in the #2 slot. https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNy4 https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNx7 What's on the circuit? Somebody forgot to label the panel (with the exception of the scrawled AC on the cover). Is it feeding 240V or two 120V circuits? I notice only one side is tripped/off. -- |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
In article ,
says... On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:51:58 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote: In article , says... Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. Thanks to all for the feedback. I realize my description wasn't the best, so to clarify I've uploaded a couple of pics of the panel to Flickr. The breaker that failed is the one in the #2 slot. https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNy4 https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNx7 OK the breaker everyone has linked will work. I thought you were talking about the "unicorn" tandem 240 breaker. The 2 operating handles are side by side not inline but it works the same. I am surprised your "electrician" didn't know that. Thanks. I wasn't there when the "electrician" was onsite, and the info I got was second-hand from my elderly father. They'd never used this guy before, but he came recommended by my parents' equally elderly neighbors. Apparently it's time to find someone else that actually knows what they're doing. -- Dave |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
In article ,
says... On 10/20/19 4:51 PM, Dave Garrett wrote: In article , says... Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. The failure mode is that the breaker in question tripped and cannot be reset. An electrician confirmed that it needed to be replaced, but hasn't had much luck finding a suitable replacement locally. There are no known issues with any of the other breakers. Bay Breakers/Bay Power seems to be one of the go-to sources for obsolete breakers, but they haven't responded to a message I sent via their web contact form. Anticipating the inevitable recommendation, upgrading to a new panel isn't in the budget right now. Thanks to all for the feedback. I realize my description wasn't the best, so to clarify I've uploaded a couple of pics of the panel to Flickr. The breaker that failed is the one in the #2 slot. https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNy4 https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNx7 See this FAQ for info on replacement for that old style. https://www.schneider-electric.us/en...US#__highlight "What is the difference in QOT Tandem breakers with handles one over the other, versus side by side? The current style single-pole QOT Tandem Breaker has 2 handles, and the handles are side by side. This style can be used in place of the older style in a single-pole application." Thanks, that's exactly what I needed to know. -- Dave |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
In article , says...
On 10/20/2019 3:51 PM, Dave Garrett wrote: In article , says... Anyone know of a source for old/obsolete breakers? One of the breakers in the panel at my parents' house failed. It's a circa-1964 Square D panel, model QO-8R0, and the breaker is a 15A 120/240 twin/tandem one. ... Thanks to all for the feedback. I realize my description wasn't the best, so to clarify I've uploaded a couple of pics of the panel to Flickr. The breaker that failed is the one in the #2 slot. https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNy4 https://flic.kr/p/2hxTNx7 What's on the circuit? Somebody forgot to label the panel (with the exception of the scrawled AC on the cover). Is it feeding 240V or two 120V circuits? I notice only one side is tripped/off. It's two 120V circuits, AFAIK. My father's office is on the one that was affected by the breaker failure, and that's the room that his modem, router and computers are in, so he hasn't had internet access since this happened. Now that I know that we don't have to go chasing down a 50-year-old replacement breaker, we should be able to get things operational again fairly quickly. -- Dave |
Sourcing old/obsolete breakers?
On 10/20/2019 11:21 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
In article , says... .... What's on the circuit? Somebody forgot to label the panel (with the exception of the scrawled AC on the cover). Is it feeding 240V or two 120V circuits? I notice only one side is tripped/off. It's two 120V circuits, AFAIK. My father's office is on the one that was affected by the breaker failure, and that's the room that his modem, router and computers are in, so he hasn't had internet access since this happened. .... I presumed probably as much...I'd not seen those before--I've old SquareD service panels, but not QO variety--even older Stablok before they got into trouble w/ UL... -- |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:31 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 DIYbanter