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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:48:37 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , lid says... At what age in US schools do they make the transition from having the same teacher for all subjects to have different teachers for different subjects. I think by age 9 and certainly by age 11 I had one teacher for English, another for Math(s), another for French etc - this was in the UK. Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Yes, except 7th grade was 11 or 12. Even you say age 6 for 1st grade and add 6 to get to grade 7 and that's 12. There are usually 3 school seperations. Grades 1-7, grades 7&8 or maybe 7,8,9. Then 9-12 or 10-12. The 9 th grade has been bounced around a few times. Yes, in both Penn. and Indiana the 9th grade was in the junior high school building, but it was still part of high school. Administered like the high school and 9th grade grades were part of one's hs record. My home town was pop. 50,000 but now 22,000. ;-( My elementary school closed, the JHS that was 7-9 is now grades 1 to 8, so that 9th graders can go fill the empty class rooms in the highschooo, and I don't know what else has changed. My old house still looks nice now. Later owner put in AC, remodeled garage, probably fixed up basement, and the oak tree is so big people can't see out the second story windows. |
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In article , NY wrote:
Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Ah, so the change from one teacher for everything to one teacher per subject happens quite a lot later in (some) US schools than in the UK. I hadn't realised that. 7th grade is ~12 years old, not 13-14, and the change is often 6th grade, so ~11. The separation of schools in the UK happens at around 11-12 (it varies slightly from one county to another) same in usa |
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On 9/20/2019 6:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 5:26:41 AM UTC-4, NY wrote: "Ralph Mowery" wrote in message k.net... In article , lid says... At what age in US schools do they make the transition from having the same teacher for all subjects to have different teachers for different subjects. I think by age 9 and certainly by age 11 I had one teacher for English, another for Math(s), another for French etc - this was in the UK. Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Ah, so the change from one teacher for everything to one teacher per subject happens quite a lot later in (some) US schools than in the UK. I hadn't realised that. I think Ralph's arithmetic is off. I was 12 when I started 7th grade and began having a different teacher for every subject. Cindy Hamilton How old were you when you started getting participation trophies? |
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On 20/9/19 8:36 pm, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 5:26:41 AM UTC-4, NY wrote: "Ralph Mowery" wrote in message k.net... In article , lid says... At what age in US schools do they make the transition from having the same teacher for all subjects to have different teachers for different subjects. I think by age 9 and certainly by age 11 I had one teacher for English, another for Math(s), another for French etc - this was in the UK. Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Ah, so the change from one teacher for everything to one teacher per subject happens quite a lot later in (some) US schools than in the UK. I hadn't realised that. I think Ralph's arithmetic is off. I was 12 when I started 7th grade and began having a different teacher for every subject. Cindy Hamilton I was 11 when I entered 7th grade but turned 12 midway through the year. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
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On 09/20/2019 04:14 AM, micky wrote:
I did have some kind of art class in the 8th grade but now I can't figure out how that would have fit into the schedule. I remember they lost the only decent thing I ever did, a box for Jello. I remember my 8th grade art class. One project was carving linoleum tiles to do rudimentary block printing. Today half the boys in the class would be behind bars. Third Reich motifs were very popular. |
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On 9/20/2019 6:14 AM, micky wrote:
I think in both Pennsylvania and Indiana, for grades 1 to 6 we just had one teacher for all subjects (except maybe an hour a week we had music with a music teacher, and the same with art with an art teacher, in Penn. In Indiana for the 2nd half of the 6th grade, we didn't have art or music at all, even though it was a suburban n'hood outside a big city that my mother chose largely for its schools. I went to Philadelphia Catholic schools. Grade 1 to 8 was elementary school and one teacher per classroom for all subjects. High school, 9 to 12 you changed classes every period to a different teacher. Public school system was similar back then, not sure now. |
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says... I remember my 8th grade art class. One project was carving linoleum tiles to do rudimentary block printing. Today half the boys in the class would be behind bars. Third Reich motifs were very popular. Things sure have changed. In the 7th grade we were required to bring a pocket knife to school for the 'arts & crafts' class. In the 6 th grade about every other boy had a knife in their pocket. Now even a butter knife will get you expelled. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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lid says... Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Ah, so the change from one teacher for everything to one teacher per subject happens quite a lot later in (some) US schools than in the UK. I hadn't realised that. 7th grade is ~12 years old, not 13-14, and the change is often 6th grade, so ~11. I guess that my math may be off a year or so. However I think I was thinking of how old I was at the end of the year. Finished the 12 grade (end of school before college or entering the work force) when I was 18. So that ment I was 13 at the end of the 7 th grade or 12 when I started. Birthday is in April. School usually started about the 1st week of September. Now it starts about the middle of August or maybe sooner. The September starting in North Carolina was for several reasons. People working on or having family farms and no air condition. I don't know how it is now, but 50 years ago the high school had 2 main devisions. One for those that plan on going to college and one for those that did not . The college prep course had the higher math like algebra and geometry, where the other courses just had what was called general math. I assume that many other courses were similar. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:13:25 AM UTC-4, Bod F wrote:
On 9/20/2019 6:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 5:26:41 AM UTC-4, NY wrote: "Ralph Mowery" wrote in message k.net... In article , lid says... At what age in US schools do they make the transition from having the same teacher for all subjects to have different teachers for different subjects. I think by age 9 and certainly by age 11 I had one teacher for English, another for Math(s), another for French etc - this was in the UK. Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Ah, so the change from one teacher for everything to one teacher per subject happens quite a lot later in (some) US schools than in the UK. I hadn't realised that. I think Ralph's arithmetic is off. I was 12 when I started 7th grade and began having a different teacher for every subject. Cindy Hamilton How old were you when you started getting participation trophies? I never did. I grew up when you actually had to work to get stuff. My mother might still have my MSBOA medals. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 08:13:19 -0400, Bod F wrote:
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"nospam" wrote in message
... In article , NY wrote: Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Ah, so the change from one teacher for everything to one teacher per subject happens quite a lot later in (some) US schools than in the UK. I hadn't realised that. 7th grade is ~12 years old, not 13-14, and the change is often 6th grade, so ~11. The separation of schools in the UK happens at around 11-12 (it varies slightly from one county to another) same in usa When I started school in the late 60s when I was 5, I started in the summer term (ie after the Easter holiday) because my birthday is in March, so the summer term was the first one when I was 5 years old; slightly older children with birthdays between July and March started in the previous autumn term (after the long summer holiday) because they were already 5 by the time that term started. The school did not have enough classrooms to accommodate the Easter intake, so lessons were held in one corner of the school hall / dining room: the rest of the children could not have PE lessons in the summer (maybe we did sport outside on the playing field) because it would disrupt "The Class in the Hall" as it was described. I'm not sure how typical my school was, but it was divided into two sections: an Infant School with a headmistress, for children aged 5 and 6 (two school years); and a Junior School, with a headmaster, for children aged 7, 8, 9, 10 (four years). The final year of the Junior School took the 11-plus exam at the end of their last year when they would all/most have had their 11th birthday. I wonder when the exact cutoff date was to determine which children were the youngest in one school year and which would be the oldest in the school year below. In my case, the two schools were joined together in a back-to-back layout, with their respective school halls sharing a common wall. Both halls had a door into the kitchen. I remember when I was in the infant school I'd occasionally see the school secretary come into the hall and disappear into the kitchen, and it puzzled me where she went. It was only when I got into the Junior School and saw the same woman doing the same thing that it dawned on me: - there was one kitchen that was common to both schools (not two separate ones, as I previously thought) - the secretary worked in both schools and used the route through the kitchen as a means of getting from one school to the other I felt a bit of an idiot for not realising that before ;-) |
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On 9/20/2019 10:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:13:25 AM UTC-4, Bod F wrote: On 9/20/2019 6:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 5:26:41 AM UTC-4, NY wrote: "Ralph Mowery" wrote in message k.net... In article , lid says... At what age in US schools do they make the transition from having the same teacher for all subjects to have different teachers for different subjects. I think by age 9 and certainly by age 11 I had one teacher for English, another for Math(s), another for French etc - this was in the UK. Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Ah, so the change from one teacher for everything to one teacher per subject happens quite a lot later in (some) US schools than in the UK. I hadn't realised that. I think Ralph's arithmetic is off. I was 12 when I started 7th grade and began having a different teacher for every subject. Cindy Hamilton How old were you when you started getting participation trophies? I never did. I grew up when you actually had to work to get stuff. My mother might still have my MSBOA medals. Cindy Hamilton So, you are clearly accomplished at tooting your own horn.Â* ;-) -- Get off my lawn! |
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On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 2:03:40 PM UTC-4, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 9/20/2019 10:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:13:25 AM UTC-4, Bod F wrote: On 9/20/2019 6:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 5:26:41 AM UTC-4, NY wrote: "Ralph Mowery" wrote in message k.net... In article , lid says... At what age in US schools do they make the transition from having the same teacher for all subjects to have different teachers for different subjects. I think by age 9 and certainly by age 11 I had one teacher for English, another for Math(s), another for French etc - this was in the UK. Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Ah, so the change from one teacher for everything to one teacher per subject happens quite a lot later in (some) US schools than in the UK. I hadn't realised that. I think Ralph's arithmetic is off. I was 12 when I started 7th grade and began having a different teacher for every subject. Cindy Hamilton How old were you when you started getting participation trophies? I never did. I grew up when you actually had to work to get stuff. My mother might still have my MSBOA medals. Cindy Hamilton So, you are clearly accomplished at tooting your own horn.Â* ;-) I was being somewhat ironic. My achievements with the Michigan State Band and Orchestra Association were exceedingly modest, and I received mostly red (rather than blue) ribbons commensurate with my meager musical talent. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 09/20/2019 08:19 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Things sure have changed. In the 7th grade we were required to bring a pocket knife to school for the 'arts & crafts' class. In the 6 th grade about every other boy had a knife in their pocket. Now even a butter knife will get you expelled. http://www.usscouts.org/advance/Cubs...ttlingchip.asp I don't remember any fancy patch back in the day, just the wallet card. Bear Cub Scouts are 9 or in the 3rd grade. Once you had your Whittlin' Chip the next stop was to the store to buy your Cub Scout Knife; https://www.scoutshop.org/cub-scout-...de-615775.html https://boyslife.org/outdoors/ask-th...y/16534/16534/ I really like the comment "I am eight I have a pocket nife I am good with it but you still should watch the kid to see if her or she talks about killing and stuff" Kid isn't going to get a grammar or spelling merit badge anytime soon. |
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On 09/20/2019 08:32 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
I don't know how it is now, but 50 years ago the high school had 2 main devisions. One for those that plan on going to college and one for those that did not . The college prep course had the higher math like algebra and geometry, where the other courses just had what was called general math. I assume that many other courses were similar. Mine had college entrance kids and the business/shop kids. For college entrance you took 2 years of Latin, 2 years of either German or French, and more STEM subjects. The business kids took Spanish and typing. All in all Spanish and typing would have been a lot handier in my life... |
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On 09/20/2019 08:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I never did. I grew up when you actually had to work to get stuff. My mother might still have my MSBOA medals. Band medals? All I ever got was the Gertrude Markey Prize in biology, which was 50 1964 bucks. A girl who went on to become a surgeon really, really wanted the prize but I snatched it. That did not improve my chances of dating her at all... |
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On 09/20/2019 12:11 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I was being somewhat ironic. My achievements with the Michigan State Band and Orchestra Association were exceedingly modest, and I received mostly red (rather than blue) ribbons commensurate with my meager musical talent. Did you get to play 'Sleigh Ride' at the Christmas assembly? Being a blue ribbon whip cracker would be something to aspire to. My early musical ambitions hit a snag. I said 'cornet', she heard 'clarinet' so I spent a year chewing on reeds before switching to a flute. I still have a silver flute but I mostly play an wooden Irish flute. I can handle six holes without all those damn levers and stuff and the keys of D and G are good enough. |
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 10:32:26 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Ah, so the change from one teacher for everything to one teacher per subject happens quite a lot later in (some) US schools than in the UK. I hadn't realised that. 7th grade is ~12 years old, not 13-14, and the change is often 6th grade, so ~11. I guess that my math may be off a year or so. However I think I was thinking of how old I was at the end of the year. Finished the 12 grade (end of school before college or entering the work force) when I was 18. So that ment I was 13 at the end of the 7 th grade or 12 when I started. I wrote my final grade 12 exam on my 17th birthday - - - |
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 10:14:35 +0100, "NY" wrote:
"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message nk.net... In article , lid says... At what age in US schools do they make the transition from having the same teacher for all subjects to have different teachers for different subjects. I think by age 9 and certainly by age 11 I had one teacher for English, another for Math(s), another for French etc - this was in the UK. Around here in North Carolina you usually start the 1 st grade around 6 years old. There is some pre school that start sooner. The 7th grade is where it usually starts one teacher per subject. That would usually put you about 13 or 14 years old. Ah, so the change from one teacher for everything to one teacher per subject happens quite a lot later in (some) US schools than in the UK. I hadn't realised that. When my 2 girls were in school ( 36 and 37 now) in French Immersion they had several teachers. Some subjects were in French, and some in English - plus music - so AT LEAST 3 teachers - and that was grades 1 to 6. Those taking "core french" had an english teacher and a french teacher - in the same classroom. The french teacher went from room to room teaching French to different classes. |
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... On 09/20/2019 08:32 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I don't know how it is now, but 50 years ago the high school had 2 main devisions. One for those that plan on going to college and one for those that did not . The college prep course had the higher math like algebra and geometry, where the other courses just had what was called general math. I assume that many other courses were similar. Mine had college entrance kids and the business/shop kids. For college entrance you took 2 years of Latin, 2 years of either German or French, and more STEM subjects. The business kids took Spanish and typing. All in all Spanish and typing would have been a lot handier in my life... Yes, it is frustrating that you get "forced" into doing certain combinations of subjects because you are deemed to be more or less clever. At my school there were two classes in each year. The clever children (I was supposedly one of those!) had to do Latin and German; the less clever ones did Biology and Ancient History. I wanted to do Biology and German, but that combination was "not allowed"; I pleaded my case that these were the subjects that were probably more useful to me, and lack of knowledge of Biology would preclude me from any career that needed it. The headmaster said I presented my case very convincingly to him - but not convincingly enough to make an exception to the rule. I found Latin to be an exceptionally difficult language - mainly because I could never work out which words in a sentence were the nouns, the adjectives, the adverbs and the verbs. French and German were much easier to learn. I think the reason is that both these have "little words" (articles like "a" and "the", pronouns like "he", and a reasonably logical word order in which adjectives and adverbs usually go next to the noun or verb that they are qualifying, and the article and pronoun tend to say "the next word is a noun or a verb respectively". The capital letter on German nouns is a big giveaway too! Prepositions ("to", "from") are distinct words. But Latin has none of those. Everything is communicated in word endings alone, and you need to remember a lot of permutations, some of which are reused between different parts of speech. That "Romani eunt domus" speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdqXT9k-050 in "Life of Brian" got it absolutely right. I hadn't realised how much with a foreign language I depend on the "little words" as a sort of crutch. Word order seems to make a *virtue* out of putting the adjective as far away from its noun as possible, ideally next to another unrelated noun (the dreaded "chi-rhoic" construction that was favoured in Latin poetry - it was seen as "clever" and "educated" and "elegant"). So when I left that school (my dad changed jobs so we moved to another part of the country) I had to continue with Latin instead of Biology. The new school had no hangup about me doing Biology - Latin and Biology were timetabled at the same time, as true alternatives. But I'd missed too many years of grounding to be able to pick it up in the fourth form - ie only one school year before I'd have taken the O level exam in it. So I was stuck with Latin. Latin would be very useful if it was taught as a derivation of English words - "Latin for genealogists", "Latin for historians reading old documents" etc. But Latin as a grammatical language is dire. I'd like to have had the "choice" as to whether or not I did Biology at A level, and the choice as to whether I studied a subject at university that needed knowledge of it. I may well have chosen not to - but a choice would have been nice ;-) |
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On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 9:39:07 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 09/20/2019 08:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: I never did. I grew up when you actually had to work to get stuff. My mother might still have my MSBOA medals. Band medals? Yep. Annual solo and small ensemble competitions. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 9:47:56 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 09/20/2019 12:11 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: I was being somewhat ironic. My achievements with the Michigan State Band and Orchestra Association were exceedingly modest, and I received mostly red (rather than blue) ribbons commensurate with my meager musical talent. Did you get to play 'Sleigh Ride' at the Christmas assembly? Being a blue ribbon whip cracker would be something to aspire to. Yes, we played Sleigh Ride, but IIRC one of the drummers used a slapstick for that effect. There was considerable envy among the trumpet players for the guy who got to play the "neigh" at the end. Because it was the Dark Ages, we also played actual Christmas carols (and sang them when I was in the chorus). My early musical ambitions hit a snag. I said 'cornet', she heard 'clarinet' so I spent a year chewing on reeds before switching to a flute. I still have a silver flute but I mostly play an wooden Irish flute. I can handle six holes without all those damn levers and stuff and the keys of D and G are good enough. Coincidentally, I played the flute, so I've got you beat by 11. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 09/20/2019 05:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 09/20/2019 08:32 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I don't know how it is now, but 50 years ago the high school had 2 main devisions. One for those that plan on going to college and one for those that did not . The college prep course had the higher math like algebra and geometry, where the other courses just had what was called general math. I assume that many other courses were similar. Mine had college entrance kids and the business/shop kids. For college entrance you took 2 years of Latin, 2 years of either German or French, and more STEM subjects. The business kids took Spanish and typing. All in all Spanish and typing would have been a lot handier in my life... Heh. I took Latin, French, Spanish, typing and shorthand in addition to algebra and geometry (both of which I sucked at). I agree about Spanish and typing, although French taught me almost everything I know about formal grammar; Latin provided the rest. -- Cheers, Bev "...so she told me it was either her or the ham radio, over." |
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On 09/21/2019 03:30 AM, NY wrote:
Latin would be very useful if it was taught as a derivation of English words - "Latin for genealogists", "Latin for historians reading old documents" etc. But Latin as a grammatical language is dire. Latin is a decent background for Spanish. Spanish, at least the Mexican version, plays fast and loose with those 'little words' to. Personal pronouns are a lot of work. The problem for those taking Spanish was they were taught Castilian Spanish which isn't what is spoken on the street. Some of the French kids had a similar problem. Northern NY and the other New England states have a significant number of people of French Canadien ancestry. Because of the British invasion of New France, Quebec French sort of went its own way in the 18th century. The teachers learned Parisian French in college and that is what they taught. |
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On 09/21/2019 09:37 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 09/20/2019 05:36 PM, rbowman wrote: On 09/20/2019 08:32 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I don't know how it is now, but 50 years ago the high school had 2 main devisions. One for those that plan on going to college and one for those that did not . The college prep course had the higher math like algebra and geometry, where the other courses just had what was called general math. I assume that many other courses were similar. Mine had college entrance kids and the business/shop kids. For college entrance you took 2 years of Latin, 2 years of either German or French, and more STEM subjects. The business kids took Spanish and typing. All in all Spanish and typing would have been a lot handier in my life... Heh. I took Latin, French, Spanish, typing and shorthand in addition to algebra and geometry (both of which I sucked at). I agree about Spanish and typing, although French taught me almost everything I know about formal grammar; Latin provided the rest. French has always left me puzzled. I prefer languages where the pronunciation is a bit closer to the written word. In one branch of my family the adults would switch to French when they didn't want the kids to know what they were talking about. |
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On 09/21/2019 04:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Because it was the Dark Ages, we also played actual Christmas carols (and sang them when I was in the chorus). We did Christmas carols too. If you didn't like them you could stuff your fingers in your ears. December was always fun. I was in 'enriched curriculum' classes so many of the students and some of the teachers were Jewish. Chanukah floats around but it was usually good for a lot of missing faces for a week in early December. Then there was the Christmas vacation. You might think it would be back to normal when everyone got back after New Years but then the Russian and Ukrainian kids did Russian Christmas. This year Chanukah is on the late end of the scale, December 30, so no joy there. It was good training for later life. It's been my experience that despite all the schedules and implementation roadmaps nothing ever happens in December. |
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On 09/20/2019 08:51 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
When my 2 girls were in school ( 36 and 37 now) in French Immersion they had several teachers. Some subjects were in French, and some in English - plus music - so AT LEAST 3 teachers - and that was grades 1 to 6. Those taking "core french" had an english teacher and a french teacher - in the same classroom. The french teacher went from room to room teaching French to different classes. Quebec or Parisian French? It was amusing in my high school when the teachers tried to teach their version of French to kids who were immersed in their version of French at home. Hard to imagine today but how to speak Latin was also a hot topic between the public school and Catholic school kids. Who said Latin is a dead language? |
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On 09/21/2019 07:55 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
I read a lot of books when I was young that I didn't fully understand at the time. It was only when I re-read them later that I understood some things. Of course, that's still true today. Sometimes I have to go back and re-read something to get the most out of it. :-) I was about 11 when I saw 'Home From the Hill' with Robert Mitchum. I thought it was a cool movie about hunting and stuff. I rewatched it a few years ago and had a different outlook. I still liked the movie. Reading did expand my vocabulary. I read 'The Foxes of Harrow' that was laying around the house and enjoyed it greatly. That did lead to some questions at school concerning how a 7th grade kid came to know about quadroons and octoroons. |
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:30:13 +0100, "NY" wrote:
"rbowman" wrote in message ... On 09/20/2019 08:32 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I don't know how it is now, but 50 years ago the high school had 2 main devisions. One for those that plan on going to college and one for those that did not . The college prep course had the higher math like algebra and geometry, where the other courses just had what was called general math. I assume that many other courses were similar. Mine had college entrance kids and the business/shop kids. For college entrance you took 2 years of Latin, 2 years of either German or French, and more STEM subjects. The business kids took Spanish and typing. All in all Spanish and typing would have been a lot handier in my life... Yes, it is frustrating that you get "forced" into doing certain combinations of subjects because you are deemed to be more or less clever. At my school there were two classes in each year. The clever children (I was supposedly one of those!) had to do Latin and German; the less clever ones did Biology and Ancient History. I wanted to do Biology and German, but that combination was "not allowed"; I pleaded my case that these were the subjects that were probably more useful to me, and lack of knowledge of Biology would preclude me from any career that needed it. The headmaster said I presented my case very convincingly to him - but not convincingly enough to make an exception to the rule. I found Latin to be an exceptionally difficult language - mainly because I could never work out which words in a sentence were the nouns, the adjectives, the adverbs and the verbs. French and German were much easier to learn. I think the reason is that both these have "little words" (articles like "a" and "the", pronouns like "he", and a reasonably logical word order in which adjectives and adverbs usually go next to the noun or verb that they are qualifying, and the article and pronoun tend to say "the next word is a noun or a verb respectively". The capital letter on German nouns is a big giveaway too! Prepositions ("to", "from") are distinct words. But Latin has none of those. Everything is communicated in word endings alone, and you need to remember a lot of permutations, some of which are reused between different parts of speech. That "Romani eunt domus" speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdqXT9k-050 in "Life of Brian" got it absolutely right. I hadn't realised how much with a foreign language I depend on the "little words" as a sort of crutch. Word order seems to make a *virtue* out of putting the adjective as far away from its noun as possible, ideally next to another unrelated noun (the dreaded "chi-rhoic" construction that was favoured in Latin poetry - it was seen as "clever" and "educated" and "elegant"). So when I left that school (my dad changed jobs so we moved to another part of the country) I had to continue with Latin instead of Biology. The new school had no hangup about me doing Biology - Latin and Biology were timetabled at the same time, as true alternatives. But I'd missed too many years of grounding to be able to pick it up in the fourth form - ie only one school year before I'd have taken the O level exam in it. So I was stuck with Latin. Latin would be very useful if it was taught as a derivation of English words - "Latin for genealogists", "Latin for historians reading old documents" etc. But Latin as a grammatical language is dire. I'd like to have had the "choice" as to whether or not I did Biology at A level, and the choice as to whether I studied a subject at university that needed knowledge of it. I may well have chosen not to - but a choice would have been nice ;-) At my high school we could take anything we wanted and you got to graduate as soon as you punched all of the boxes required for that type of diploma. I ended up taking two years of latin because the teacher made it interesting. We read Gallic Wars as a war/political novel with context thrown in by the teacher who also taught ancient history. The two classes blended together. Second year latin was mostly reading Cicero. It was an easy way to punch the language and history tickets. We did learn a lot about the Romans and life in the Roman army. |
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"rbowman" wrote in message
... In one branch of my family the adults would switch to French when they didn't want the kids to know what they were talking about. That only worked with my parents until I started to learn French at school ;-) |
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says... Reading did expand my vocabulary. I read 'The Foxes of Harrow' that was laying around the house and enjoyed it greatly. That did lead to some questions at school concerning how a 7th grade kid came to know about quadroons and octoroons. I am trying to come up with how I am realated to Warren. My grandmother on my dad's side claimed to be 1/6 Indian. For the last couple of years I have been putting down Native American on all places that ask about race. I can easly trace my mother's side to German. Not sure where the red hair came in.No one on my dad's side had red hair and I don't know anything about my mother's side of her mother. Just that my mother did have red hair. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 21 Sep 2019 08:37:52 -0700, The Real Bev
wrote: On 09/20/2019 05:36 PM, rbowman wrote: On 09/20/2019 08:32 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I don't know how it is now, but 50 years ago the high school had 2 main devisions. One for those that plan on going to college and one for those that did not . The college prep course had the higher math like algebra and geometry, where the other courses just had what was called general math. I assume that many other courses were similar. Mine had college entrance kids and the business/shop kids. For college entrance you took 2 years of Latin, 2 years of either German or French, and more STEM subjects. The business kids took Spanish and typing. All in all Spanish and typing would have been a lot handier in my life... Heh. I took Latin, French, Spanish, typing and shorthand in addition to algebra and geometry (both of which I sucked at). I agree about Spanish and typing, although French taught me almost everything I know about formal grammar; Latin provided the rest. I took typing in summer school. A very worthwhile investment. I wanted to take shorthand in college but iirc the shorthand teacher talked me out of it. IIRC, she had a Ph.D. in business education and taught shorthand at the college level!! I had 3 years of Latin. Got bronze and silver medals in the state contests. Didn't take Virgil because it was supposed to be poetry Took automechanics instead. Later I learned Spanish by going to Mexico and Central America. I took _Spanish through pictures_, that was worthless for me, though might be good for a different personality, and _Spanish in a Nutshell_, a thin pocket book which was great, all the rules plus a pretty good glossary. Unfortunately, they dont' sell the Nutshell series anymore. I hope I can find mine before I go back to Guatemala. |
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In article , NY wrote:
It takes some adjustment to work out that Year 12 is what I knew as Fifth Form and Years 13 and 14 are what I knew as Lower/Upper Sixth ;-) That is actually off by one. The old 5th form is now called year 11, and the two 6th form years are therefore years 12 and 13. Year: Age R: 4-5 (R = reception) 1: 5-6 2: 6-7 3: 7-8 (ex 1st year juniors) 4: 8-9 5: 9-10 6: 10-11 7: 11-12 (ex 1st year secondary/grammar) 8: 12-13 9: 13-14 10: 14-15 (begin GSCE options) 11: 15-16 (take GCSEs) 12: 16-17 (Lower 6th) 13: 17-18 (Upper 6th - take A levels) Can't remember when this system started, but it was already in use when my kids were at school in the late 80s and 90s. Cheers Tony -- Tony Mountifield Work: - http://www.softins.co.uk Play: - http://tony.mountifield.org |
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"Tony Mountifield" wrote in message
... In article , NY wrote: It takes some adjustment to work out that Year 12 is what I knew as Fifth Form and Years 13 and 14 are what I knew as Lower/Upper Sixth ;-) That is actually off by one. The old 5th form is now called year 11, and the two 6th form years are therefore years 12 and 13. Year: Age R: 4-5 (R = reception) 1: 5-6 2: 6-7 3: 7-8 (ex 1st year juniors) 4: 8-9 5: 9-10 6: 10-11 7: 11-12 (ex 1st year secondary/grammar) 8: 12-13 9: 13-14 10: 14-15 (begin GSCE options) 11: 15-16 (take GCSEs) 12: 16-17 (Lower 6th) 13: 17-18 (Upper 6th - take A levels) Can't remember when this system started, but it was already in use when my kids were at school in the late 80s and 90s. Did it begin as long ago as that? I first heard of it when my nephews were starting school in the early 2000s, so the change had taken place some time between when I left school in 1981 and the early 2000s - and evidently not long after I left. |
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