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I lost the original thread from last year ? .. but regardless and irregardless .. I bought a new torque wrench today - after returning my second Princess Auto $ 50. unit - both fell apart in my hands - just doing snow tires in the driveway 2 times per year. The new $ 120. DeWalt is almost a foot longer ooh ; has a very fancy plastic case ; Whoo-ooh ! But one point that was made in the original thread - using it to loosen the lug nuts - the DeWalt has several warnings to NOT use it to loosen ! The packaging says " limited 1 year warranty " the web site says " lifetime replacement warranty" Canadian Tire and Home Depot. https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/d...9678p.html#srp They are just today offering it in a combo with a breaker bar ... $ 150. .. the jury is out .. I won't hold my breath ... John T. |
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On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:22:37 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I lost the original thread from last year ? .. but regardless and irregardless .. I bought a new torque wrench today - after returning my second Princess Auto $ 50. unit - both fell apart in my hands - just doing snow tires in the driveway 2 times per year. The new $ 120. DeWalt is almost a foot longer ooh ; has a very fancy plastic case ; Whoo-ooh ! But one point that was made in the original thread - using it to loosen the lug nuts - the DeWalt has several warnings to NOT use it to loosen ! I Knowing what their purpose is and what they are used for, I hope you didn't need that warning. About the only time I could see using one to loosen a bolt would be if you wanted to see if it was excessively torqued. Even then, not sure if you torqued it to 30 that means it will unscrew at 30, might take more, but there should be a correlation. A friend of mine was complaining that a tire shop had way over torqued his lugs. He went back and the manager took a torque wrench, put it on a lug, showed him that it clicked at the correct value and said that proved they torqued it correctly...... The packaging says " limited 1 year warranty " the web site says " lifetime replacement warranty" Canadian Tire and Home Depot. https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/d...9678p.html#srp They are just today offering it in a combo with a breaker bar ... $ 150. .. the jury is out .. I won't hold my breath ... John T. |
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:22:37 PM UTC-4, wrote: I lost the original thread from last year ? .. but regardless and irregardless .. I bought a new torque wrench today - after returning my second Princess Auto $ 50. unit - both fell apart in my hands - just doing snow tires in the driveway 2 times per year. The new $ 120. DeWalt is almost a foot longer ooh ; has a very fancy plastic case ; Whoo-ooh ! But one point that was made in the original thread - using it to loosen the lug nuts - the DeWalt has several warnings to NOT use it to loosen ! I Knowing what their purpose is and what they are used for, I hope you didn't need that warning. About the only time I could see using one to loosen a bolt would be if you wanted to see if it was excessively torqued. Even then, not sure if you torqued it to 30 that means it will unscrew at 30, might take more, but there should be a correlation. A friend of mine was complaining that a tire shop had way over torqued his lugs. He went back and the manager took a torque wrench, put it on a lug, showed him that it clicked at the correct value and said that proved they torqued it correctly...... I used my cheapo to loosen the wheel nuts - but I'm pretty sure that was not the failure cause - they both had screws loosen off - in different spots . I suspect that homeowner torque wrenches do not measure the loosening torque . . professional tools - perhaps ? Re-torquing click does not prove that it wasn't originally over-torqued ... duh. John T. |
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Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask DeWalt or all the other wrench companies .. John T. |
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I lost the original thread from last year ? .. but regardless and irregardless .. I bought a new torque wrench today - after returning my second Princess Auto $ 50. unit - both fell apart in my hands - just doing snow tires in the driveway 2 times per year. The new $ 120. DeWalt is almost a foot longer ooh ; has a very fancy plastic case ; Whoo-ooh ! But one point that was made in the original thread - using it to loosen the lug nuts - the DeWalt has several warnings to NOT use it to loosen ! The packaging says " limited 1 year warranty " the web site says " lifetime replacement warranty" Canadian Tire and Home Depot. https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/d...9678p.html#srp They are just today offering it in a combo with a breaker bar ... $ 150. .. the jury is out .. I won't hold my breath ... John T. Lifetime of the wrench is when it dies or falls apart. Princess Auto was very good with both returns - I didn't need to show proof of purchase or anything. ... but the product was still very poor - I suspect that they had a lot of returns .. I got a store credit for the $ amount so they will get about 50 % back ... As for CTC I copied the web site lifetime warranty - to use when this one fails... as opposed to the packaging 1 year warranty. John T. |
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask DeWalt or all the other wrench companies .. John T. * Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with Clare or DeWalt ... except - ... why do they put a reverse option ? on the cheap homeowner torque wrench that is not meant for that task ? .. and then print strict warnings to never use it to loosen a lug nut ... John T. |
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On 8/14/2019 7:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask DeWalt or all the other wrench companies .. John T. Â* Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with Clare or DeWalt ... except - .. why do they put a reverse option ? on the cheap homeowner torque wrench that is not meant for that task ? .. and then print strict warnings to never use it to loosen a lug nut ... John T. Two reasons. It is cheap to do. You may also want to measure torque on lef hand thread. I don't us chisels as screwdrivers even if they fit the slots or gefty wrenches as hammers. But, this is America, you can if you want to. |
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On 8/14/2019 6:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask DeWalt or all the other wrench companies .. John T. Â* Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with Clare or DeWalt ... except - .. why do they put a reverse option ? on the cheap homeowner torque wrench that is not meant for that task ? .. and then print strict warnings to never use it to loosen a lug nut ... John T. Â* The clutch basket nut on my (RIP Bag Lady) now deceased 1976 Shovelhead Harley was a left hand thread that required a 45-55 LB/ft torques . Is that a good enough example ? You certainly didn't want to overtorque , it would crackÂ* the clutch hub - taper fit with a key to locate . -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crochety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
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On 8/14/19 7:59 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? AskÂ* DeWaltÂ*Â* orÂ*Â* all the otherÂ* wrench companiesÂ* .. Â*Â*Â*Â* John T. Â*Â* Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing withÂ* ClareÂ* orÂ* DeWaltÂ* ...Â* exceptÂ* - ..Â* why do they put aÂ* reverseÂ* optionÂ* ? Â*Â* on the cheapÂ* homeownerÂ* torque wrenchÂ* that is not meant forÂ* thatÂ*Â* taskÂ* ? Â* ..Â*Â* and thenÂ*Â* printÂ* strict warningsÂ* toÂ* neverÂ* use it Â*Â* toÂ* loosen aÂ* lug nutÂ* ... Â*Â* John T. Â* The clutch basket nut on my (RIP Bag Lady) now deceased 1976 Shovelhead Harley was a left hand thread that required a 45-55 LB/ft torques . Is that a good enough example ? You certainly didn't want to overtorque , it would crackÂ* the clutch hub - taper fit with a key to locate . Didn't the older Chrysler products have left hand threaded lug bolts on the driver's side? |
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:20:07 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask DeWalt or all the other wrench companies .. John T. * Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with Clare or DeWalt ... except - .. why do they put a reverse option ? on the cheap homeowner torque wrench that is not meant for that task ? .. and then print strict warnings to never use it to loosen a lug nut ... John T. because, like I said, you sometimes need to torque a LEFT HAND THREADED FASTENER. My 1/2 inch drive Snap-On micro-adjusting click torque wrench is now ell over 40 years old - they don't have the jigs for recalibrating it any more - and it has been used "in reverse" fairly often - but NOT as a "breaker bar" |
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:11:35 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote: On 8/14/19 7:59 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 6:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask* DeWalt** or** all the other* wrench companies* .. **** John T. ** Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with* Clare* or* DeWalt* ...* except* - ..* why do they put a* reverse* option* ? ** on the cheap* homeowner* torque wrench* that is not meant for* that** task* ? * ..** and then** print* strict warnings* to* never* use it ** to* loosen a* lug nut* ... ** John T. * The clutch basket nut on my (RIP Bag Lady) now deceased 1976 Shovelhead Harley was a left hand thread that required a 45-55 LB/ft torques . Is that a good enough example ? You certainly didn't want to overtorque , it would crack* the clutch hub - taper fit with a key to locate . Didn't the older Chrysler products have left hand threaded lug bolts on the driver's side? So did some oldsmobiles and cadillacs and hudsons and some British cars as well - just for starters, |
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:08:39 -0400, wrote:
I lost the original thread from last year ? .. but regardless and irregardless .. I bought a new torque wrench today - after returning my second Princess Auto $ 50. unit - both fell apart in my hands - just doing snow tires in the driveway 2 times per year. The new $ 120. DeWalt is almost a foot longer ooh ; has a very fancy plastic case ; Whoo-ooh ! But one point that was made in the original thread - using it to loosen the lug nuts - the DeWalt has several warnings to NOT use it to loosen ! The packaging says " limited 1 year warranty " the web site says " lifetime replacement warranty" Canadian Tire and Home Depot. https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/d...9678p.html#srp They are just today offering it in a combo with a breaker bar ... $ 150. .. the jury is out .. I won't hold my breath ... John T. Lifetime of the wrench is when it dies or falls apart. Princess Auto was very good with both returns - I didn't need to show proof of purchase or anything. .. but the product was still very poor - I suspect that they had a lot of returns .. I got a store credit for the $ amount so they will get about 50 % back ... As for CTC I copied the web site lifetime warranty - to use when this one fails... as opposed to the packaging 1 year warranty. John T. Keep the receipt - the "lifetime warranty" is with CTC - not Stanley/ Black and Decker Corp (the owner of DeWalt brand). CTC is pretty good with their warranty - but not as simple as Princess Auto (we are not satisfied until you are) |
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On 08/14/2019 07:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:20:07 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask DeWalt or all the other wrench companies .. John T. Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with Clare or DeWalt ... except - .. why do they put a reverse option ? on the cheap homeowner torque wrench that is not meant for that task ? .. and then print strict warnings to never use it to loosen a lug nut ... John T. because, like I said, you sometimes need to torque a LEFT HAND THREADED FASTENER. My 1/2 inch drive Snap-On micro-adjusting click torque wrench is now ell over 40 years old - they don't have the jigs for recalibrating it any more - and it has been used "in reverse" fairly often - but NOT as a "breaker bar" My 1/2" drive beam torque wrench is getting old too. It still works. |
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On 8/14/2019 9:23 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/14/2019 07:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:20:07 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask* DeWalt** or** all the other* wrench companies* .. *** John T. * Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with* Clare* or* DeWalt* ...* except* - ..* why do they put a* reverse* option* ? *on the cheap* homeowner* torque wrench* that is not meant for* that** task* ? ..** and then** print* strict warnings* to* never* use it *to* loosen a* lug nut* ... *John T. because, like I said, you sometimes need to torque a LEFT HAND THREADED FASTENER. *My 1/2 inch drive Snap-On micro-adjusting click torque wrench is now ell over 40 years old - they don't have the jigs for recalibrating it any more - and it has been used "in reverse" fairly often - but NOT as a "breaker bar" My 1/2" drive beam torque wrench is getting old too. It still works. * I'm still using Dad's beam , it's gotta be at least 50 years old . I check it against my Craftsman clicker occasionally . -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crochety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:24:45 -0400,
wrote: I lost the original thread from last year ? .. but regardless and irregardless .. I bought a new torque wrench today - after returning my second Princess Auto $ 50. unit - both fell apart in my hands - just doing snow tires in the driveway 2 times per year. The new $ 120. DeWalt is almost a foot longer ooh ; has a very fancy plastic case ; Whoo-ooh ! But one point that was made in the original thread - using it to loosen the lug nuts - the DeWalt has several warnings to NOT use it to loosen ! The packaging says " limited 1 year warranty " the web site says " lifetime replacement warranty" Do they say what they will replace it with? Perhaps a kitten. Canadian Tire and Home Depot. https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/d...9678p.html#srp They are just today offering it in a combo with a breaker bar ... $ 150. .. the jury is out .. I won't hold my breath ... John T. |
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:23:12 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 08/14/2019 07:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:20:07 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask DeWalt or all the other wrench companies .. John T. Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with Clare or DeWalt ... except - .. why do they put a reverse option ? on the cheap homeowner torque wrench that is not meant for that task ? .. and then print strict warnings to never use it to loosen a lug nut ... John T. because, like I said, you sometimes need to torque a LEFT HAND THREADED FASTENER. My 1/2 inch drive Snap-On micro-adjusting click torque wrench is now ell over 40 years old - they don't have the jigs for recalibrating it any more - and it has been used "in reverse" fairly often - but NOT as a "breaker bar" My 1/2" drive beam torque wrench is getting old too. It still works. My beam wrench is likely older than me - not much to go wrong on them |
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On 08/14/2019 09:37 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:23:12 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 08/14/2019 07:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:20:07 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask DeWalt or all the other wrench companies .. John T. Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with Clare or DeWalt ... except - .. why do they put a reverse option ? on the cheap homeowner torque wrench that is not meant for that task ? .. and then print strict warnings to never use it to loosen a lug nut ... John T. because, like I said, you sometimes need to torque a LEFT HAND THREADED FASTENER. My 1/2 inch drive Snap-On micro-adjusting click torque wrench is now ell over 40 years old - they don't have the jigs for recalibrating it any more - and it has been used "in reverse" fairly often - but NOT as a "breaker bar" My 1/2" drive beam torque wrench is getting old too. It still works. My beam wrench is likely older than me - not much to go wrong on them I remember the blurb from a Sturtevant that as long as the needle pointed at zero it was accurate until the beam broke. I don't think I have to worry about that in this lifetime. For most things I depend on my calibrated fingers. |
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On 15/8/19 8:36 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:19:18 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:22:37 PM UTC-4, wrote: I lost the original thread from last year ? .. but regardless and irregardless .. I bought a new torque wrench today - after returning my second Princess Auto $ 50. unit - both fell apart in my hands - just doing snow tires in the driveway 2 times per year. The new $ 120. DeWalt is almost a foot longer ooh ; has a very fancy plastic case ; Whoo-ooh ! But one point that was made in the original thread - using it to loosen the lug nuts - the DeWalt has several warnings to NOT use it to loosen ! I Knowing what their purpose is and what they are used for, I hope you didn't need that warning. About the only time I could see using one to loosen a bolt would be if you wanted to see if it was excessively torqued. Even then, not sure if you torqued it to 30 that means it will unscrew at 30, might take more, but there should be a correlation. A friend of mine was complaining that a tire shop had way over torqued his lugs. He went back and the manager took a torque wrench, put it on a lug, showed him that it clicked at the correct value and said that proved they torqued it correctly...... I used my cheapo to loosen the wheel nuts - but I'm pretty sure that was not the failure cause - they both had screws loosen off - in different spots . I suspect that homeowner torque wrenches do not measure the loosening torque . . professional tools - perhaps ? Re-torquing click does not prove that it wasn't originally over-torqued ... duh. John T. Torque wrench reads both directions - has to, otherwize you could not torque left hand nuts. The "prohibition" against using it for loosening is the fact that the force released when a bolt snaps loose is extreme and WILL throw the calibration off in time. If the bolt/nut is not semi-seized, and comes off easily with no "snap" it will NOT hurt the wrench - but you don't know how it will come off untill you try it. That's why the "kits" come with a "breaker bar" - break the nuts loose with the breaker bar, then run them off with the torque wrench with the ratchet set to the "off" position. Why else would they but a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? I have one of these; https://wbtools.com.au/catalog/produ.../category/103/ Mine is quite old now, 50 years plus, but still works perfectly and is accurate. It does, however, only operate in one direction. Want to torque left hand threaded nuts and bolts, you're outta luck. As you can see, the new models are clearly marked for direction of operation. For general vehicle work, I have found this more than adequate. For wheel tightening, I used to have a bi-directional cheapie but that's long since disappeared once I retired. On wheels it was a pain to use anyway since it had a scale that was a pain in the posterior to read when operated on its side. I was always taught that tension wrenches were *not* to be used for loosening bolts. The reasons should be obvious to anyone who has, for instance, loosened head bolts. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
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On 15/8/19 8:55 am, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 8/14/2019 5:19 PM, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:22:37 PM UTC-4, wrote: IÂ* lost the original threadÂ* fromÂ* last year ?Â* .. but regardlessÂ*Â* andÂ* irregardlessÂ* .. I bought a new torque wrench todayÂ* -Â* after returning my second Princess AutoÂ* $ 50.Â* unitÂ* -Â* both fell apart in my handsÂ* - Â* just doing snow tires in the drivewayÂ* 2 times per year. The newÂ*Â*Â* $ 120.Â* DeWaltÂ* isÂ* almost a foot longerÂ* ooh ; Â* has aÂ* veryÂ*Â* fancy plastic case ;Â* Whoo-ooh ! ButÂ*Â* one point that was made in the original threadÂ* - Â* using it toÂ* loosenÂ*Â* theÂ* lug nutsÂ* -Â*Â* theÂ* DeWaltÂ* has several warningsÂ* toÂ* NOTÂ* use it to loosenÂ* ! I Knowing what their purpose is and what they are used for, I hope you didn't need that warning. About the only time I could see using one to loosen a bolt would be if you wanted to see if it was excessively torqued. Even then, not sure if you torqued it to 30 that means it will unscrew at 30, might take more, but there should be a correlation. A friend of mine was complaining that a tire shop had way over torqued his lugs. He went back and the manager took a torque wrench, put it on a lug, showed him that it clicked at the correct value and said that proved they torqued it correctly...... Â* I used my cheapoÂ* to loosen the wheel nutsÂ* -Â* but I'm pretty sure that was not the failure causeÂ* -Â* they both had screws loosen offÂ* - in different spots .Â*Â*Â* I suspect thatÂ* homeownerÂ* torque wrenches do not measure theÂ* looseningÂ*Â* torqueÂ* . . Â*Â*Â*Â* Â* professional toolsÂ* -Â* perhaps ? Re-torquingÂ*Â* clickÂ*Â*Â* does notÂ* prove that it wasn't originallyÂ*Â* over-torqued ...Â*Â*Â* duh. Â*Â*Â* John T. Â* You should both realize that breakaway torque is almost always significantly higher than tightening torque ... Now I'm not a scientist Ah, yes, breakaway torque, couldn't recall the term when I responded to another poster in this thread. nor do I play one on TV , but I have done some "empirical studies" . In my experience in several cases (yes , I actually did this) it "usually" takes from 1.5 to 1.7 times the tightening torque to break the bolt Significantly more if the threads are in any way rusty or seized up. loose . I NEVER use my torque wrenches to loosen a bolt , that ain't what they were designed for . Ditto. I use Craftsman clickers for under 100 ft/lbs , I have Dad's beam/pointer wrench for stuff like the Harley comp sprocket and final drive pulley nuts that need up to 150 ft/lbs . -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
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On 15/8/19 8:57 am, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? AskÂ* DeWaltÂ*Â* orÂ*Â* all the otherÂ* wrench companiesÂ* .. Â*Â*Â* John T. Â* Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? Seems like it's too much trouble for some people to treat their equipment right. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
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On 15/8/19 11:11 am, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/14/19 7:59 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 6:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? AskÂ* DeWaltÂ*Â* orÂ*Â* all the otherÂ* wrench companiesÂ* .. Â*Â*Â*Â* John T. Â*Â* Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing withÂ* ClareÂ* orÂ* DeWaltÂ* ...Â* exceptÂ* - ..Â* why do they put aÂ* reverseÂ* optionÂ* ? Â*Â* on the cheapÂ* homeownerÂ* torque wrenchÂ* that is not meant forÂ* thatÂ*Â* taskÂ* ? Â* ..Â*Â* and thenÂ*Â* printÂ* strict warningsÂ* toÂ* neverÂ* use it Â*Â* toÂ* loosen aÂ* lug nutÂ* ... Â*Â* John T. Â*Â* The clutch basket nut on my (RIP Bag Lady) now deceased 1976 Shovelhead Harley was a left hand thread that required a 45-55 LB/ft torques . Is that a good enough example ? You certainly didn't want to overtorque , it would crackÂ* the clutch hub - taper fit with a key to locate . Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Didn't the older Chrysler products have left hand threaded lug bolts on the driver's side? Yep, get a cheapie torque wrench with a dual directional scale. More than adequate for that role and it will preserve the torque wrench you use on the serious stuff. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
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On 15/8/19 1:37 pm, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:23:12 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 08/14/2019 07:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:20:07 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask DeWalt or all the other wrench companies .. John T. Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with Clare or DeWalt ... except - .. why do they put a reverse option ? on the cheap homeowner torque wrench that is not meant for that task ? .. and then print strict warnings to never use it to loosen a lug nut ... John T. because, like I said, you sometimes need to torque a LEFT HAND THREADED FASTENER. My 1/2 inch drive Snap-On micro-adjusting click torque wrench is now ell over 40 years old - they don't have the jigs for recalibrating it any more - and it has been used "in reverse" fairly often - but NOT as a "breaker bar" My 1/2" drive beam torque wrench is getting old too. It still works. My beam wrench is likely older than me - not much to go wrong on them Mine is 50-55 at the very least. Obtained in my early days when I could finally afford it so would have been well after I completed my apprenticeship. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
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On 15/8/19 2:31 pm, rbowman wrote:
On 08/14/2019 09:37 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:23:12 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 08/14/2019 07:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:20:07 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask* DeWalt** or** all the other* wrench companies* .. *** John T. * Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with* Clare* or* DeWalt* ...* except* - ..* why do they put a* reverse* option* ? *on the cheap* homeowner* torque wrench* that is not meant for* that** task* ? ..** and then** print* strict warnings* to* never* use it *to* loosen a* lug nut* ... *John T. because, like I said, you sometimes need to torque a LEFT HAND THREADED FASTENER. *My 1/2 inch drive Snap-On micro-adjusting click torque wrench is now ell over 40 years old - they don't have the jigs for recalibrating it any more - and it has been used "in reverse" fairly often - but NOT as a "breaker bar" My 1/2" drive beam torque wrench is getting old too. It still works. *My beam wrench is likely older than me - not much to go wrong on them I remember the blurb from a Sturtevant that as long as the needle pointed at zero it was accurate until the beam broke. I don't think I have to worry about that in this lifetime. For most things I depend on my calibrated fingers. You have a set too, eh? I used to use them on those pesky left hand threaded wheel nuts. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
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On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
On 15/8/19 11:11 am, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 8/14/19 7:59 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 6:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? AskÂ* DeWaltÂ*Â* orÂ*Â* all the otherÂ* wrench companiesÂ* .. Â*Â*Â*Â* John T. Â*Â* Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing withÂ* ClareÂ* orÂ* DeWaltÂ* ...Â* exceptÂ* - ..Â* why do they put aÂ* reverseÂ* optionÂ* ? Â*Â* on the cheapÂ* homeownerÂ* torque wrenchÂ* that is not meant forÂ* thatÂ*Â* taskÂ* ? Â* ..Â*Â* and thenÂ*Â* printÂ* strict warningsÂ* toÂ* neverÂ* use it Â*Â* toÂ* loosen aÂ* lug nutÂ* ... Â*Â* John T. Â*Â* The clutch basket nut on my (RIP Bag Lady) now deceased 1976 Shovelhead Harley was a left hand thread that required a 45-55 LB/ft torques . Is that a good enough example ? You certainly didn't want to overtorque , it would crackÂ* the clutch hub - taper fit with a key to locate . Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Didn't the older Chrysler products have left hand threaded lug bolts on the driver's side? Yep, get a cheapie torque wrench with a dual directional scale. More than adequate for that role and it will preserve the torque wrench you use on the serious stuff. -- Xeno I don't understand what that means. There is no need to use any torque wrench to loosen bolts, no skilled mechanic would do that. And if you use a torque wrench correctly, it will last a long time, especially for occasional use. I would not buy even a cheap torque wrench and misuse it. Abusing it, it will likely be way out of calibration long before it falls apart. |
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On 15/8/19 10:11 pm, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-4, Xeno wrote: On 15/8/19 11:11 am, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 8/14/19 7:59 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 6:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? AskÂ* DeWaltÂ*Â* orÂ*Â* all the otherÂ* wrench companiesÂ* .. Â*Â*Â*Â* John T. Â*Â* Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing withÂ* ClareÂ* orÂ* DeWaltÂ* ...Â* exceptÂ* - ..Â* why do they put aÂ* reverseÂ* optionÂ* ? Â*Â* on the cheapÂ* homeownerÂ* torque wrenchÂ* that is not meant forÂ* thatÂ*Â* taskÂ* ? Â* ..Â*Â* and thenÂ*Â* printÂ* strict warningsÂ* toÂ* neverÂ* use it Â*Â* toÂ* loosen aÂ* lug nutÂ* ... Â*Â* John T. Â*Â* The clutch basket nut on my (RIP Bag Lady) now deceased 1976 Shovelhead Harley was a left hand thread that required a 45-55 LB/ft torques . Is that a good enough example ? You certainly didn't want to overtorque , it would crackÂ* the clutch hub - taper fit with a key to locate . Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Didn't the older Chrysler products have left hand threaded lug bolts on the driver's side? Yep, get a cheapie torque wrench with a dual directional scale. More than adequate for that role and it will preserve the torque wrench you use on the serious stuff. -- Xeno I don't understand what that means. There is no need to use any torque wrench to loosen bolts, no skilled mechanic would do that. And if you use a torque wrench correctly, it will last a long time, especially for occasional use. I would not buy even a cheap torque wrench and misuse it. Abusing it, it will likely be way out of calibration long before it falls apart. I meant for left hand thread *tightening*. When I was an apprentice, I used to get to do a lot of wheel changing. We had quite a few customers with LH threads on the LH side of their vehicle's wheels. I had a cheapie version of this; https://www.dealsanimg.com/d/l400/pi...-inch-0-80.jpg that I used on those wheels to get a reasonably consistent torque on all wheel nuts - in either direction. It was consistency of torque that was important. For engine work and any other place where precision was required, the workshop W&B torque wrenches were used. We had a small one in inch lbs for auto trans adjustments, a 1/2" drive unit for general work and a 3/4" drive unit for use on trucks and machinery. Didn't use torque wrenches for loosening bolts - ever. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
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On 08/15/2019 06:07 AM, Xeno wrote:
On 15/8/19 2:31 pm, rbowman wrote: On 08/14/2019 09:37 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:23:12 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 08/14/2019 07:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:20:07 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask DeWalt or all the other wrench companies .. John T. Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with Clare or DeWalt ... except - .. why do they put a reverse option ? on the cheap homeowner torque wrench that is not meant for that task ? .. and then print strict warnings to never use it to loosen a lug nut ... John T. because, like I said, you sometimes need to torque a LEFT HAND THREADED FASTENER. My 1/2 inch drive Snap-On micro-adjusting click torque wrench is now ell over 40 years old - they don't have the jigs for recalibrating it any more - and it has been used "in reverse" fairly often - but NOT as a "breaker bar" My 1/2" drive beam torque wrench is getting old too. It still works. My beam wrench is likely older than me - not much to go wrong on them I remember the blurb from a Sturtevant that as long as the needle pointed at zero it was accurate until the beam broke. I don't think I have to worry about that in this lifetime. For most things I depend on my calibrated fingers. You have a set too, eh? I used to use them on those pesky left hand threaded wheel nuts. I know my '60 Plymouth had those but I can't remember if the '65 Dodge did. Probably more than one stud was snapped off by Jim Bob with a 1/2" breaker bar and 3' of 1" pipe for an extension. Where you needed that was the nut holding the rear drum on the '60 Plymouth. I do remember that feature went away by the '65. It was a pita back when brake slave cylinders had a habit of leaking. I don't think I even have a cylinder hone anymore. New cars are so boring. |
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On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 22:07:55 +1000, Xeno
wrote: On 15/8/19 2:31 pm, rbowman wrote: On 08/14/2019 09:37 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:23:12 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 08/14/2019 07:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:20:07 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? Ask* DeWalt** or** all the other* wrench companies* .. *** John T. * Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing with* Clare* or* DeWalt* ...* except* - ..* why do they put a* reverse* option* ? *on the cheap* homeowner* torque wrench* that is not meant for* that** task* ? ..** and then** print* strict warnings* to* never* use it *to* loosen a* lug nut* ... *John T. because, like I said, you sometimes need to torque a LEFT HAND THREADED FASTENER. *My 1/2 inch drive Snap-On micro-adjusting click torque wrench is now ell over 40 years old - they don't have the jigs for recalibrating it any more - and it has been used "in reverse" fairly often - but NOT as a "breaker bar" My 1/2" drive beam torque wrench is getting old too. It still works. *My beam wrench is likely older than me - not much to go wrong on them I remember the blurb from a Sturtevant that as long as the needle pointed at zero it was accurate until the beam broke. I don't think I have to worry about that in this lifetime. For most things I depend on my calibrated fingers. You have a set too, eh? I used to use them on those pesky left hand threaded wheel nuts. You mean the "rawhide wrench"?? |
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On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:49:44 +1000, Xeno
wrote: On 15/8/19 8:36 am, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:19:18 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:22:37 PM UTC-4, wrote: I lost the original thread from last year ? .. but regardless and irregardless .. I bought a new torque wrench today - after returning my second Princess Auto $ 50. unit - both fell apart in my hands - just doing snow tires in the driveway 2 times per year. The new $ 120. DeWalt is almost a foot longer ooh ; has a very fancy plastic case ; Whoo-ooh ! But one point that was made in the original thread - using it to loosen the lug nuts - the DeWalt has several warnings to NOT use it to loosen ! I Knowing what their purpose is and what they are used for, I hope you didn't need that warning. About the only time I could see using one to loosen a bolt would be if you wanted to see if it was excessively torqued. Even then, not sure if you torqued it to 30 that means it will unscrew at 30, might take more, but there should be a correlation. A friend of mine was complaining that a tire shop had way over torqued his lugs. He went back and the manager took a torque wrench, put it on a lug, showed him that it clicked at the correct value and said that proved they torqued it correctly...... I used my cheapo to loosen the wheel nuts - but I'm pretty sure that was not the failure cause - they both had screws loosen off - in different spots . I suspect that homeowner torque wrenches do not measure the loosening torque . . professional tools - perhaps ? Re-torquing click does not prove that it wasn't originally over-torqued ... duh. John T. Torque wrench reads both directions - has to, otherwize you could not torque left hand nuts. The "prohibition" against using it for loosening is the fact that the force released when a bolt snaps loose is extreme and WILL throw the calibration off in time. If the bolt/nut is not semi-seized, and comes off easily with no "snap" it will NOT hurt the wrench - but you don't know how it will come off untill you try it. That's why the "kits" come with a "breaker bar" - break the nuts loose with the breaker bar, then run them off with the torque wrench with the ratchet set to the "off" position. Why else would they but a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? I have one of these; https://wbtools.com.au/catalog/produ.../category/103/ Basically a British or OZZIE phenomenon - rarely seen in Canada or the USA - and definitely NOT reversible (unless it has a "spud" on both sides - or a "slip through" spud. Mine is quite old now, 50 years plus, but still works perfectly and is accurate. It does, however, only operate in one direction. Want to torque left hand threaded nuts and bolts, you're outta luck. As you can see, the new models are clearly marked for direction of operation. For general vehicle work, I have found this more than adequate. For wheel tightening, I used to have a bi-directional cheapie but that's long since disappeared once I retired. On wheels it was a pain to use anyway since it had a scale that was a pain in the posterior to read when operated on its side. I was always taught that tension wrenches were *not* to be used for loosening bolts. The reasons should be obvious to anyone who has, for instance, loosened head bolts. |
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On 16/8/19 5:29 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:49:44 +1000, Xeno wrote: On 15/8/19 8:36 am, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:19:18 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:22:37 PM UTC-4, wrote: I lost the original thread from last year ? .. but regardless and irregardless .. I bought a new torque wrench today - after returning my second Princess Auto $ 50. unit - both fell apart in my hands - just doing snow tires in the driveway 2 times per year. The new $ 120. DeWalt is almost a foot longer ooh ; has a very fancy plastic case ; Whoo-ooh ! But one point that was made in the original thread - using it to loosen the lug nuts - the DeWalt has several warnings to NOT use it to loosen ! I Knowing what their purpose is and what they are used for, I hope you didn't need that warning. About the only time I could see using one to loosen a bolt would be if you wanted to see if it was excessively torqued. Even then, not sure if you torqued it to 30 that means it will unscrew at 30, might take more, but there should be a correlation. A friend of mine was complaining that a tire shop had way over torqued his lugs. He went back and the manager took a torque wrench, put it on a lug, showed him that it clicked at the correct value and said that proved they torqued it correctly...... I used my cheapo to loosen the wheel nuts - but I'm pretty sure that was not the failure cause - they both had screws loosen off - in different spots . I suspect that homeowner torque wrenches do not measure the loosening torque . . professional tools - perhaps ? Re-torquing click does not prove that it wasn't originally over-torqued ... duh. John T. Torque wrench reads both directions - has to, otherwize you could not torque left hand nuts. The "prohibition" against using it for loosening is the fact that the force released when a bolt snaps loose is extreme and WILL throw the calibration off in time. If the bolt/nut is not semi-seized, and comes off easily with no "snap" it will NOT hurt the wrench - but you don't know how it will come off untill you try it. That's why the "kits" come with a "breaker bar" - break the nuts loose with the breaker bar, then run them off with the torque wrench with the ratchet set to the "off" position. Why else would they but a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? I have one of these; https://wbtools.com.au/catalog/produ.../category/103/ Basically a British or OZZIE phenomenon - rarely seen in Canada or the USA - and definitely NOT reversible (unless it has a "spud" on both sides - or a "slip through" spud. Made in Melbourne, just down the road from my first teaching assignment in fact. Yes, not reversible in the least. That was why I had the cheapie - just for those odd occasions, typically wheel nuts. Mine is quite old now, 50 years plus, but still works perfectly and is accurate. It does, however, only operate in one direction. Want to torque left hand threaded nuts and bolts, you're outta luck. As you can see, the new models are clearly marked for direction of operation. For general vehicle work, I have found this more than adequate. For wheel tightening, I used to have a bi-directional cheapie but that's long since disappeared once I retired. On wheels it was a pain to use anyway since it had a scale that was a pain in the posterior to read when operated on its side. I was always taught that tension wrenches were *not* to be used for loosening bolts. The reasons should be obvious to anyone who has, for instance, loosened head bolts. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
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On 16/8/19 5:25 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 22:07:55 +1000, Xeno wrote: On 15/8/19 2:31 pm, rbowman wrote: On 08/14/2019 09:37 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:23:12 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 08/14/2019 07:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:20:07 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote: On 8/14/2019 5:52 PM, wrote: Why else would they put a reversible ratchet head on a torque wrench???? AskÂ* DeWaltÂ*Â* orÂ*Â* all the otherÂ* wrench companiesÂ* .. Â*Â*Â* John T. Â* Bite the bullet John , Clare nailed it . Torque wrenches are NOT designed to loosen fasteners . Why do you think they call them "BREAKER" bars ? I'm not arguing withÂ* ClareÂ* orÂ* DeWaltÂ* ...Â* exceptÂ* - ..Â* why do they put aÂ* reverseÂ* optionÂ* ? Â*on the cheapÂ* homeownerÂ* torque wrenchÂ* that is not meant forÂ* thatÂ*Â* taskÂ* ? ..Â*Â* and thenÂ*Â* printÂ* strict warningsÂ* toÂ* neverÂ* use it Â*toÂ* loosen aÂ* lug nutÂ* ... Â*John T. because, like I said, you sometimes need to torque a LEFT HAND THREADED FASTENER. Â*My 1/2 inch drive Snap-On micro-adjusting click torque wrench is now ell over 40 years old - they don't have the jigs for recalibrating it any more - and it has been used "in reverse" fairly often - but NOT as a "breaker bar" My 1/2" drive beam torque wrench is getting old too. It still works. Â*My beam wrench is likely older than me - not much to go wrong on them I remember the blurb from a Sturtevant that as long as the needle pointed at zero it was accurate until the beam broke. I don't think I have to worry about that in this lifetime. For most things I depend on my calibrated fingers. You have a set too, eh? I used to use them on those pesky left hand threaded wheel nuts. You mean the "rawhide wrench"?? No idea what it's called on your side of the pond. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
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