On 8/13/2019 10:07 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:

On Thu, 08 Aug 2019 20:08:37 -0500, Unlisted
wrote:


Oh fer Chrissake!! When will the USAians LEARN?

Why not licence the guns? Every gun-nut in the USA made to pay a
stiff annual gun-licence fee to finance almost everything else.

Fine with me. The gun nuts will scream and stomp and threaten to hold
their breath until they turn blue. Remember, the NRA leaned on
congresscritters to the extent that federal agencies scan't even
collect statistics on gun violence. That's how totally clse-minded
they are.

They do this for motor cars and other things besides.
For guns why not a sliding scale where the fee increases per gun for
each owned. And fingerprint and photograph the owners.

True. There's not even a requirement that a gun owner demonstrate that
he knows how to use (SAFELY use) the thing.


I wonder who many of those who are talking against guns and want gun
control,; have ever tried to buy a licensed gun, and gone through the
current back ground checks required for gun owner ship.

Odds are they only know what the media has told them.

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They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them.

In article ,
says...

They do this for motor cars and other things besides.
For guns why not a sliding scale where the fee increases per gun for
each owned. And fingerprint and photograph the owners.

True. There's not even a requirement that a gun owner demonstrate that
he knows how to use (SAFELY use) the thing.


I wonder who many of those who are talking against guns and want gun
control,; have ever tried to buy a licensed gun, and gone through the
current back ground checks required for gun owner ship.

Odds are they only know what the media has told them.



There is a requirement to take a driver's test and a renewal every few
years, but look at all the accidents and around 30,000 killed each year
by cars.

It is true that while a background check is often required (or in some
states a concealed weapon permit), there is no check for being able to
even know which end of the gun to point at someone. Probably no where
as meany deaths by accident.

On 2019-08-13 5:56 p.m., Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

They do this for motor cars and other things besides.
For guns why not a sliding scale where the fee increases per gun for
each owned. And fingerprint and photograph the owners.

True. There's not even a requirement that a gun owner demonstrate that
he knows how to use (SAFELY use) the thing.


I wonder who many of those who are talking against guns and want gun
control,; have ever tried to buy a licensed gun, and gone through the
current back ground checks required for gun owner ship.

Odds are they only know what the media has told them.



There is a requirement to take a driver's test and a renewal every few
years, but look at all the accidents and around 30,000 killed each year
by cars.

It is true that while a background check is often required (or in some
states a concealed weapon permit), there is no check for being able to
even know which end of the gun to point at someone. Probably no where
as meany deaths by accident.


And some 36,000 killed by gunfire, Pretty ****ing pitiful.

Rene

That goes with the following in the US:

For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
(NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle
crashes, an average of 102 per day.

How is that registration and licensing working out with the cars and trucks?

By the way, the whole thread is off topic.

wrote in message
...
That goes with the following in the US:

For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
(NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle
crashes, an average of 102 per day.

I don’t believe that almost all motor vehicle crashes killed someone.

How is that registration and licensing working out with the cars and
trucks?

By the way, the whole thread is off topic.

In article , says...

And some 36,000 killed by gunfire, Pretty ****ing pitiful.

Rene




Yes, but most were not by accdent. With proper training in the use of
firearms many more would probably be killed instead of wounded.

I bet most were gang and drug related.

Murders by guns was only about 8 to 10 thousand a year. Many suicides
by handguns that should not be counted. Too many other ways to do that.

On 08/13/2019 09:29 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

And some 36,000 killed by gunfire, Pretty ****ing pitiful.

Rene




Yes, but most were not by accdent. With proper training in the use of
firearms many more would probably be killed instead of wounded.

I bet most were gang and drug related.

Murders by guns was only about 8 to 10 thousand a year. Many suicides
by handguns that should not be counted. Too many other ways to do that.


The interesting spin by the anti-gun crowd is guns are too effective as
a suicide tool. Better the person should use some other less reliable
method, fail, and have time to reflect. If they are not brain dead,
maimed, or otherwise seriously screwed up. A nightmare for someone
jumping off a bridge would to wake up a quadriplegic with no way out
except time instead of the desired outcome.

Of course a seasoned warrior like Bo Gritz managed to miss killing
himself with a .45 while sitting in his pickup so there is still hope
for incompetence.

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-13 5:56 p.m., Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

They do this for motor cars and other things besides.
For guns why not a sliding scale where the fee increases per gun for
each owned. And fingerprint and photograph the owners.

True. There's not even a requirement that a gun owner demonstrate that
he knows how to use (SAFELY use) the thing.


I wonder who many of those who are talking against guns and want gun
control,; have ever tried to buy a licensed gun, and gone through the
current back ground checks required for gun owner ship.

Odds are they only know what the media has told them.



There is a requirement to take a driver's test and a renewal every few
years, but look at all the accidents and around 30,000 killed each year
by cars.

It is true that while a background check is often required (or in some
states a concealed weapon permit), there is no check for being able to
even know which end of the gun to point at someone. Probably no where
as meany deaths by accident.


And some 36,000 killed by gunfire, Pretty ****ing pitiful.

Rene


I like graph #6 and graph #7 here.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts

Paul

"rbowman" wrote in message
...
On 08/13/2019 09:29 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

And some 36,000 killed by gunfire, Pretty ****ing pitiful.

Rene




Yes, but most were not by accdent. With proper training in the use of
firearms many more would probably be killed instead of wounded.

I bet most were gang and drug related.

Murders by guns was only about 8 to 10 thousand a year. Many suicides
by handguns that should not be counted. Too many other ways to do that.

The interesting spin by the anti-gun crowd is guns are too effective as a
suicide tool. Better the person should use some other less reliable
method, fail, and have time to reflect. If they are not brain dead,
maimed, or otherwise seriously screwed up.

Rather silly given how reliable hanging yourself is.

A nightmare for someone jumping off a bridge would to wake up a
quadriplegic with no way out except time instead of the desired outcome.

I actually know someone who did that with a road
bridge, deliberately jumped in front of a truck and
ended up with very expensive and a real fluke of a
repair to his leg that was almost ****ed.

He hasn’t actually tried doing it again because
that medical catastrophe fixed the medical
problem that caused him to try killing himself.
A weird balance problem.

Of course a seasoned warrior like Bo Gritz managed to miss killing himself
with a .45 while sitting in his pickup so there is still hope for
incompetence.

"Paul" wrote in message
...
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-13 5:56 p.m., Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

They do this for motor cars and other things besides.
For guns why not a sliding scale where the fee increases per gun for
each owned. And fingerprint and photograph the owners.

True. There's not even a requirement that a gun owner demonstrate that
he knows how to use (SAFELY use) the thing.


I wonder who many of those who are talking against guns and want gun
control,; have ever tried to buy a licensed gun, and gone through the
current back ground checks required for gun owner ship.

Odds are they only know what the media has told them.



There is a requirement to take a driver's test and a renewal every few
years, but look at all the accidents and around 30,000 killed each year
by cars.

It is true that while a background check is often required (or in some
states a concealed weapon permit), there is no check for being able to
even know which end of the gun to point at someone. Probably no where
as meany deaths by accident.


And some 36,000 killed by gunfire, Pretty ****ing pitiful.

Rene


I like graph #6 and graph #7 here.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts

Hardly a shocking revelation that countrys with more guns have more gun
deaths.

Some suspicious omissions tho, particularly the USA and Israel.

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:45:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
(NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle
crashes, an average of 102 per day.

I don¢t believe that almost all motor vehicle crashes killed someone.

Obviously many crashes killed several people, senile trolling asshole from
Oz!

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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:02:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


The interesting spin by the anti-gun crowd is guns are too effective as a
suicide tool. Better the person should use some other less reliable
method, fail, and have time to reflect. If they are not brain dead,
maimed, or otherwise seriously screwed up.

Rather silly given how reliable hanging yourself is.

Do you have the data on this, or is this just more of your known senile
idiotic troll****, you self-opinionated senile asshole troll!

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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:08:58 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


I like graph #6 and graph #7 here.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts

Hardly a shocking revelation that countrys with more guns have more gun
deaths.

Certainly not true of Switzerland, you demented, senile, "all-knowing"
senile trolling asshole from Oz!

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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:45:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
...
That goes with the following in the US:

For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
(NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle
crashes, an average of 102 per day.

I don’t believe that almost all motor vehicle crashes killed someone.

I would take that to mean that the 37,461 people were killed in 34,436
crashes. It doesn't mean that there were only 34,436 crashes.

How is that registration and licensing working out with the cars and
trucks?

By the way, the whole thread is off topic.

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There are two classes of people. Those who divide people into
two classes and those who don't. I belong to the second class.

On 8/14/2019 12:38 AM, Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-13 5:56 p.m., Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

They do this for motor cars and other things besides.
For guns why not a sliding scale where the fee increases per gun for
eachÂ* owned.Â*Â* And fingerprint and photograph the owners.

True. There's not even a requirement that a gun owner demonstrate that
he knows how to use (SAFELY use) the thing.


I wonder who many of those who are talking against guns and want gun
control,; have ever tried to buy a licensed gun, and gone through the
current back ground checks required for gun owner ship.

Odds are they only know what the media has told them.



There is a requirement to take a driver's test and a renewal every few
years, but look at all the accidents and around 30,000 killed each year
by cars.

It is true that while a background check is often required (or in some
statesÂ* a concealed weapon permit), there is no check for being able to
even know which end of the gun to point at someone.Â* Probably no where
as meany deaths by accident.


And some 36,000 killed by gunfire, Pretty ****ing pitiful.

Rene


I like graph #6 and graph #7 here.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts


Â*Â*Â* Paul

Did you check and see that most mass shootings are done with legally
registered guns?


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They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them.

Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 8/14/2019 12:38 AM, Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-13 5:56 p.m., Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

They do this for motor cars and other things besides.
For guns why not a sliding scale where the fee increases per gun for
each owned. And fingerprint and photograph the owners.

True. There's not even a requirement that a gun owner demonstrate
that
he knows how to use (SAFELY use) the thing.


I wonder who many of those who are talking against guns and want gun
control,; have ever tried to buy a licensed gun, and gone through the
current back ground checks required for gun owner ship.

Odds are they only know what the media has told them.



There is a requirement to take a driver's test and a renewal every few
years, but look at all the accidents and around 30,000 killed each year
by cars.

It is true that while a background check is often required (or in some
states a concealed weapon permit), there is no check for being able to
even know which end of the gun to point at someone. Probably no where
as meany deaths by accident.


And some 36,000 killed by gunfire, Pretty ****ing pitiful.

Rene


I like graph #6 and graph #7 here.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts


Paul

Did you check and see that most mass shootings are done with legally
registered guns?

I just thought you might have some perspective to offer
on Graph #6 and whether you thought it was bad enough
to need fixing yet.

The first step for your country, is acknowledging you
have a problem.

Since your country doesn't have a functional government,
I don't think it's really possible to do anything anyway.
But it's fun to pretend. Part of being in government
is doing unpopular things, and "suffering at the polls" for it.
If you actually believed in what you were doing as
a politician, you weren't "in it for the pension",
that would be a worthwhile sacrifice. You get to
contribute to your country, are kicked out, and the
next positive contributor takes over.

But the first step, is looking in wonderment at
graph #6, and maybe... just maybe... shaking
your head a bit.

Discussing "potential policies" is likely pointless
right now. Because no one has the fortitude to do anything.

If anything changes in your country... it will be by random chance.

Who knows, maybe the problem will be fixed a hundred years
from now. It could happen.

Paul

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:03:26 -0700 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

The Japanese don't seem to have a problem. Their suicide rate is
higher than ours and they don't many guns.

On 2019-08-15 3:03 p.m., Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

other ways aren't so easy to access and a gun is usually not the first
go to answer among suicidals

Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
its a quite effective way of committing suicide.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

Corse they would and do in the countrys that have taken guns away.

But taking the guns away has now seen no more spree killing of
lots of people in the one event. Lot harder to do that with a knife.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 08:51:54 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
it’s a quite effective way of committing suicide.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

Corse they would and do in the countrys that have taken guns away.

But taking the guns away has now seen no more spree killing of
lots of people in the one event. Lot harder to do that with a knife.

Easier to do with a bomb or fire.

On Thu, 15 Aug 2019, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
its a quite effective way of committing suicide.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

Corse they would and do in the countrys that have taken guns away.

But taking the guns away has now seen no more spree killing of
lots of people in the one event. Lot harder to do that with a knife.

Easier to do with a bomb or fire.

Or an automobile or truck... Guns don't kill - killers kill.

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On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 08:51:54 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
it¢s a quite effective way of committing suicide.

Just what's holding you back, you 85-year-old senile trolling pest? You are
a mess anyway!

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cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

On 2019-08-15 4:16 p.m., Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
its a quite effective way of committing suicide.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

Corse they would and do in the countrys that have taken guns away.

But taking the guns away has now seen no more spree killing of
lots of people in the one event. Lot harder to do that with a knife.

Easier to do with a bomb or fire.

Or an automobile or truck... Guns don't kill - killers kill.

poop don't stink people do

"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 08:51:54 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
it's a quite effective way of committing suicide.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

Corse they would and do in the countrys that have taken guns away.

But taking the guns away has now seen no more spree killing of
lots of people in the one event. Lot harder to do that with a knife.

Easier to do with a bomb

Much harder to make one that works.

or fire.

Ditto.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:25:46 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

But taking the guns away has now seen no more spree killing of
lots of people in the one event. Lot harder to do that with a knife.

Easier to do with a bomb

Much harder to make one that works.

Auto-contradicting senile asshole! LOL

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On 8/15/2019 6:21 PM, % wrote:
On 2019-08-15 3:03 p.m., Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

other ways aren't so easy to access and a gun is usually not the first
go to answer among suicidals
There should be no Suicides, as I believe it is against the law in most
states.

Remember we can control anything with a law.

Remember how we legislated alcohol out of existence?

We have remove auto deaths from our country as we passed many laws
required new safety features each required to lower the death rate by
%10 0.1 (10%) to the X power approaches 0.

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They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them.

On 16/08/2019 8:51 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Jeff-Relf.MeÂ* @. wrote

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
its a quite effective way of committing suicide.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

Corse they would and do in the countrys that have taken guns away.

In US the suicide rate is higher in households with guns, same in Australia

But taking the guns away has now seen no more spree killing of
lots of people in the one event. Lot harder to do that with a knife.

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...
On 8/15/2019 6:21 PM, % wrote:
On 2019-08-15 3:03 p.m., Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

other ways aren't so easy to access and a gun is usually not the first go
to answer among suicidals

There should be no Suicides, as I believe it is against the law in most
states.

Hasnt been true for a long time now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicid...#United_States

Remember we can control anything with a law.

Remember how we legislated alcohol out of existence?

We have remove auto deaths from our country as we passed many laws
required new safety features each required to lower the death rate by %10
0.1 (10%) to the X power approaches 0.

Dechucka wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths; but, don't
forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
its a quite effective way of committing suicide.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

Corse they would and do in the countrys that have taken guns away.

In US the suicide rate is higher in households with guns, same in
Australia

Hardly surprising given that its such an effective
and simple way of killing yourself and presumably
doesnt hurt for long when you do it properly.

Personally I'd use nembutal given that its a lot more
reliable and completely painless, but its nothing like
as easy to organise even in the US where its just a
quick trip to mexico where its readily available over
the counter for anyone who wants it.

But taking the guns away has now seen no more spree killing of
lots of people in the one event. Lot harder to do that with a knife.

On 16/08/2019 12:10 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
Dechucka wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Jeff-Relf.MeÂ* @. wrote

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths; but,
don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
its a quite effective way of committing suicide.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

Corse they would and do in the countrys that have taken guns away.

In US the suicide rate is higher in households with guns, same in
Australia

Hardly surprising given that its such an effective
and simple way of killing yourself and presumably
doesnt hurt for long when you do it properly.

Simple and effective is the reason. You don't have to organize the
nembutal or rope or go down to the rail track or whatever so the time to
have 2nd thoughts is reduced. Also other methods increase the chances of
being found in the process


Personally I'd use nembutal given that its a lot more
reliable and completely painless,

especially washed down with a bottle of good scotch apperently

but its nothing like
as easy to organise even in the US where its just a
quick trip to mexico where its readily available over
the counter for anyone who wants it.

Dechucka wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dechucka wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths; but,
don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
its a quite effective way of committing suicide.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

Corse they would and do in the countrys that have taken guns away.

In US the suicide rate is higher in households with guns, same in
Australia

Hardly surprising given that its such an effective
and simple way of killing yourself and presumably
doesnt hurt for long when you do it properly.

Simple and effective is the reason.

What I said.

You don't have to organize the nembutal

Or research that as an effective approach.

or rope

No real organisation involved there. Likely the reason
they prefer to shoot themselves is that its likely to be
rather less painful than hanging themselves with no real
chance of changing your mind once you have done it

or go down to the rail track or whatever so the time to have 2nd thoughts
is reduced.

And also more chance of doing it when ****ed and
just decide '**** it' and do it due to the reduction
in inhibitions that comes with lots of grog.

Also other methods increase the chances of being found in the process

Sure, but you'd have to be pretty incompetent
to have that happen with hanging yourself.
I bet most who dont like that approach dont
like it for that other reason, not a great way to go.

Personally I'd use nembutal given that its a lot more reliable and
completely painless,

especially washed down with a bottle of good scotch apparently

Yeah, it doesnt taste that great.

but its nothing like as easy to organise even in the US where its just a
quick trip to mexico where its readily available over the counter for
anyone who wants it.

On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:03:26 -0700 (Seattle), in talk.politics.guns
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

Something over half of them are self-inflicted; we don't know exactly
how many of these are suicides and how many are just people playing
with their guns and manage to shoot themselves. About 30% are
obviously suicide; the rest, we don't know.

We don't know what they'd do if they didn't have a gun. Your guess is
as good as anyone else's.

On 16/08/2019 3:15 pm, !Jones wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:03:26 -0700 (Seattle), in talk.politics.guns
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

Something over half of them are self-inflicted; we don't know exactly
how many of these are suicides and how many are just people playing
with their guns and manage to shoot themselves. About 30% are
obviously suicide; the rest, we don't know.

We don't know what they'd do if they didn't have a gun. Your guess is
as good as anyone else's.

Except the data from the US shows that guns in a household are a
significant risk factor.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 12:00:53 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


There should be no Suicides, as I believe it is against the law in most
states.

Hasn¢t been true for a long time now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicid...#United_States

LOL Auto-contradicting senile asshole! You will even search the Net for
links just to be able to auto-contradict, you pathological senile asshole!
And if there's nothing to auto-contradict, you will even auto-contradict
YOURSELF, as happened already repeatedly!

Go euthanize yourself finally, you useless senile pest!

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On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 12:10:41 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Hardly surprising given that its such an effective
and simple way of killing yourself and presumably
doesn¢t hurt for long when you do it properly.

Personally I'd use nembutal given that it¢s a lot more
reliable and completely painless, but its nothing like
as easy to organise even in the US where its just a
quick trip to mexico where its readily available over
the counter for anyone who wants it.

Glad to see you've thought this through already, you 85-year-old senile
cretin! Now give it a go!

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On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:22:30 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Personally I'd use nembutal given that it¢s a lot more reliable and
completely painless,

especially washed down with a bottle of good scotch apparently

Yeah, it doesn¢t taste that great.

What does it taste like then, senile asshole? Do tell us. Show everyone your
"expertise" in everything! LMAO

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On 15/08/2019 23:03, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

NIMH » Suicide

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/stat.../suicide.shtml
16 Apr 2019 - Suicide is among the leading causes of death in the United
States. ... Among females, the suicide rate was highest for those aged
45-54 (10.0 ...


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Bod

On 15/08/2019 23:20, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:03:26 -0700 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths;
but, don't forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

The Japanese don't seem to have a problem. Their suicide rate is
higher than ours and they don't many guns.

The suicide *facts* in Japan:

https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/c...f_gun_suicides

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Bod

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 10:10:56 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
Dechucka wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

Sure, countries with more guns have more gun related deaths; but, don't
forget, two thirds of them are suicides,
86% of which are male, usually 45+ years old.

And apart from the mess someone has to hose away,
its a quite effective way of committing suicide.

What if they didn't have guns ?
wouldn't they find another way ?

Corse they would and do in the countrys that have taken guns away.

In US the suicide rate is higher in households with guns, same in
Australia

Hardly surprising given that its such an effective
and simple way of killing yourself and presumably
doesnt hurt for long when you do it properly.

Personally I'd use nembutal given that its a lot more
reliable and completely painless, but its nothing like
as easy to organise even in the US where its just a
quick trip to mexico where its readily available over
the counter for anyone who wants it.

I wouldn't call a 5+ hour flight (or 25-hour drive) a quick trip.

The gun would be much quicker and cheaper.

Cindy Hamilton