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My wife's closet hinge screws were stripped on the frame side so I used info from this article to repair them:
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/su...e-loose-hinges

With the hinges off the frame, I see that the builder drove two hidden screws into the frame behind the hinges. At first, I thought these were perhaps intended as a spacer for the hinges and that I should leave them but now I'm thinking about removing them so the hinges will be flush with the frame..

Has anyone heard of this practice? Does it have any benefit or is this some kind of builder's superstition?
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On 8/11/2019 9:13 PM, Bob Simon wrote:
My wife's closet hinge screws were stripped on the frame side so I used info from this article to repair them:
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/su...e-loose-hinges

With the hinges off the frame, I see that the builder drove two hidden screws into the frame behind the hinges. At first, I thought these were perhaps intended as a spacer for the hinges and that I should leave them but now I'm thinking about removing them so the hinges will be flush with the frame.

Has anyone heard of this practice? Does it have any benefit or is this some kind of builder's superstition?


Â* There's probably a spacer between the door frame and the stud behind
it at the hinge location - this is a good thing . It sounds like the
hinges are not mortised into the frame , is that correct ? If not ,
countersink the screws to give you room to cut the pocket to receive the
hinge . You don't say how old the house is , but that sounds to me like
the carpenter who hung that door took a shortcut ... and probably took
more where it doesn't show .

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On 8/11/2019 10:13 PM, Bob Simon wrote:
My wife's closet hinge screws were stripped on the frame side so I used info from this article to repair them:
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/su...e-loose-hinges

With the hinges off the frame, I see that the builder drove two hidden screws into the frame behind the hinges. At first, I thought these were perhaps intended as a spacer for the hinges and that I should leave them but now I'm thinking about removing them so the hinges will be flush with the frame.

Has anyone heard of this practice? Does it have any benefit or is this some kind of builder's superstition?


Probably put in to keep the frame square. I'd not take them out.
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On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 9:37:10 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 8/11/2019 9:13 PM, Bob Simon wrote:
My wife's closet hinge screws were stripped on the frame side so I used info from this article to repair them:
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/su...e-loose-hinges

With the hinges off the frame, I see that the builder drove two hidden screws into the frame behind the hinges. At first, I thought these were perhaps intended as a spacer for the hinges and that I should leave them but now I'm thinking about removing them so the hinges will be flush with the frame.

Has anyone heard of this practice? Does it have any benefit or is this some kind of builder's superstition?


Â* There's probably a spacer between the door frame and the stud behind
it at the hinge location - this is a good thing . It sounds like the
hinges are not mortised into the frame , is that correct ? If not ,
countersink the screws to give you room to cut the pocket to receive the
hinge . You don't say how old the house is , but that sounds to me like
the carpenter who hung that door took a shortcut ... and probably took
more where it doesn't show .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !


Tried to respond to you last night via email but it didn't get into this thread.

The house was rebuilt in 2006 after Hurricane Katrina; the levee failure allowed 8' of water into the whole first floor.

The hinges are mortised into the door and the frame. The holes I drilled are now filled with 1" pieces of 3/8" oak dowel but when I jammed a longer piece into the holes, it DID seem like there is a gap between the frame and the stud behind it. (I'm assuming the construction design you suggested; I know little about house or door construction.)

Based on Ed's comment, I'm going to leave them in and finish the job now.
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Terry,
I tried to respond to your reply last night via email but it didn't get into the thread.

The house was rebuilt in 2006 after Hurricane Katrina; the levee failure allowed 8' of water into the whole first floor.

The hinges are mortised into the door and the frame. The holes I drilled are now filled with 1" pieces of 3/8" oak dowel but before that, when I jammed a longer piece into the holes, it DID seem like there is a gap between the frame and the stud behind it. (I'm assuming the construction design you suggested; I know little about house or door construction.)

Based on Ed's comment, I'm going to leave the screws in and will now attach the hinges to the frame.


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On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 10:13:41 PM UTC-4, Bob Simon wrote:
My wife's closet hinge screws were stripped on the frame side so I used info from this article to repair them:
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/su...e-loose-hinges

With the hinges off the frame, I see that the builder drove two hidden screws into the frame behind the hinges. At first, I thought these were perhaps intended as a spacer for the hinges and that I should leave them but now I'm thinking about removing them so the hinges will be flush with the frame.

Has anyone heard of this practice? Does it have any benefit or is this some kind of builder's superstition?


Agree with the others that there is likely a spacer to square up the opening
behind there. If they are sticking out, instead of removing them, you could
take them out, countersink the hole a bit and replace them.

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On 8/11/2019 10:13 PM, Bob Simon wrote:
My wife's closet hinge screws were stripped on the frame side so I used info from this article to repair them:
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/su...e-loose-hinges

With the hinges off the frame, I see that the builder drove two hidden screws into the frame behind the hinges. At first, I thought these were perhaps intended as a spacer for the hinges and that I should leave them but now I'm thinking about removing them so the hinges will be flush with the frame.

Has anyone heard of this practice? Does it have any benefit or is this some kind of builder's superstition?


You can also glue toothpicks or other misc wood pieces shoved into the
screw holes to tighten up the opening for a secure attachment.

Screwing support screws behind the hinge is fairly common to avoid
visible screw heads that are painted over on the jamb or to avoid
filling in the screw holes with putty.
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On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:09:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/11/2019 10:13 PM, Bob Simon wrote:
My wife's closet hinge screws were stripped on the frame side so I used info from this article to repair them:
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/su...e-loose-hinges

With the hinges off the frame, I see that the builder drove two hidden screws into the frame behind the hinges. At first, I thought these were perhaps intended as a spacer for the hinges and that I should leave them but now I'm thinking about removing them so the hinges will be flush with the frame.

Has anyone heard of this practice? Does it have any benefit or is this some kind of builder's superstition?


Probably put in to keep the frame square. I'd not take them out.

I've done it. Put wedges between jam and frame behind the hinge and
screw through the shim. Tighten it down and the jam can NOT MOVE.
Makes a substandard jam kit almost acceptable. Gluing and mailing the
door trim to the face of the jam helps too - makes a "U" chanel of the
flimsey finger-jointed pine jam
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On 8/11/2019 7:13 PM, Bob Simon wrote:
My wife's closet hinge screws were stripped on the frame side so I used info from this article to repair them:
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/su...e-loose-hinges

With the hinges off the frame, I see that the builder drove two hidden screws into the frame behind the hinges. At first, I thought these were perhaps intended as a spacer for the hinges and that I should leave them but now I'm thinking about removing them so the hinges will be flush with the frame.

Has anyone heard of this practice? Does it have any benefit or is this some kind of builder's superstition?

Spacing one or the other edge of hinges can correct for uneven gaps in
the door closing.

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On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:26:02 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/11/2019 7:13 PM, Bob Simon wrote:
My wife's closet hinge screws were stripped on the frame side so I used info from this article to repair them:
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/su...e-loose-hinges

With the hinges off the frame, I see that the builder drove two hidden screws into the frame behind the hinges. At first, I thought these were perhaps intended as a spacer for the hinges and that I should leave them but now I'm thinking about removing them so the hinges will be flush with the frame.

Has anyone heard of this practice? Does it have any benefit or is this some kind of builder's superstition?

Spacing one or the other edge of hinges can correct for uneven gaps in
the door closing.

Not if the jam isn't plumb and square


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On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 9:37:10 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 8/11/2019 9:13 PM, Bob Simon wrote:
My wife's closet hinge screws were stripped on the frame side so I used info from this article to repair them:
https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/su...e-loose-hinges

With the hinges off the frame, I see that the builder drove two hidden screws into the frame behind the hinges. At first, I thought these were perhaps intended as a spacer for the hinges and that I should leave them but now I'm thinking about removing them so the hinges will be flush with the frame.

Has anyone heard of this practice? Does it have any benefit or is this some kind of builder's superstition?


Â* There's probably a spacer between the door frame and the stud behind
it at the hinge location - this is a good thing . It sounds like the
hinges are not mortised into the frame , is that correct ? If not ,
countersink the screws to give you room to cut the pocket to receive the
hinge . You don't say how old the house is , but that sounds to me like
the carpenter who hung that door took a shortcut ... and probably took
more where it doesn't show .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !


Tried to respond to you last night via email but it didn't get into this thread.

The house was rebuilt in 2006 after Hurricane Katrina; the levee failure allowed 8' of water into the whole first floor.

The hinges are mortised into the door and the frame. The holes I drilled are now filled with 1" pieces of 3/8" oak dowel but when I jammed a longer piece into the holes, it DID seem like there is a gap between the frame and the stud behind it. (I'm assuming the construction design you suggested; I know little about house or door construction.)

Based on Ed's comment, I'm going to leave them in and finish the job now.

I dunno...not trying to minimize the hinge issue-- but if you had eight
feet of water in your house, I'd think that's about the least of your
problems :-(
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Wade,
As I understand it from my neighbor, who also rebuilt (and raised) his house, my house was gutted then new insulation and sheetrock was installed.

My wife and I are the third family to occupy since the renovation but it appears that the previous folks did absolutely no maintenance. One of the air conditioner filters was caved in from excessive pressure drop.
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