Let me begin by saying that I do not advocate the stealing of power
from the electrical companies. I am just curious about how it possibly
could be done and I would never put such knowledge into practice.

Power thieves usually (always?) bypass the power meter and
connect directly to the power line.

But what about induction? What about an inductive coupling
to the power line?

Electric power, I believe, is distributed to residential areas
as 2200 Volt lines. Before entering the home, this voltage is
stepped down to 220 Volts with a pole-mounted transformer.

Wrapping an inductive coil around a 2200 Volt line could create
a circuit that would deliver power to the home, and the power
company would never know it (unless a technician actually spotted
the strange coil).

Of course, it would be bit risky to climb a power pole and wrap
an inductive coil but we are discussing only what is theoretically
possible.

Would this scheme work?

I can't see why it would not.

On 8/5/2019 7:20 PM, L Thorpe wrote:
Let me begin by saying that I do not advocate the stealing of power
from the electrical companies. I am just curious about how it possibly
could be done and I would never put such knowledge into practice.

Power thieves usually (always?) bypass the power meter and
connect directly to the power line.

But what about induction? What about an inductive coupling
to the power line?

Electric power, I believe, is distributed to residential areas
as 2200 Volt lines. Before entering the home, this voltage is
stepped down to 220 Volts with a pole-mounted transformer.

Wrapping an inductive coil around a 2200 Volt line could create
a circuit that would deliver power to the home, and the power
company would never know it (unless a technician actually spotted
the strange coil).

Of course, it would be bit risky to climb a power pole and wrap
an inductive coil but we are discussing only what is theoretically
possible.

Would this scheme work?

I can't see why it would not.


Think it has been done and it was caught by the power company. I guess
from the power drop.

L Thorpe wrote

Let me begin by saying that I do not advocate the stealing of power
from the electrical companies. I am just curious about how it possibly
could be done and I would never put such knowledge into practice.

We believe you, really truly we do...

Power thieves usually (always?) bypass the power
meter and connect directly to the power line.

But what about induction? What about
an inductive coupling to the power line?

Hard to do effectively with just air between the wires.

Some have done it with 330KV massive great overhead
transmission lines but it isnt that easy inside a house.

Electric power, I believe, is distributed to residential areas
as 2200 Volt lines. Before entering the home, this voltage is
stepped down to 220 Volts with a pole-mounted transformer.

Wrapping an inductive coil around a 2200 Volt line
could create a circuit that would deliver power to the
home, and the power company would never know it
(unless a technician actually spotted the strange coil).

And with aerial lines, that would stand out like dogs balls.

Of course, it would be bit risky to climb a power pole
and wrap an inductive coil but we are discussing only
what is theoretically possible.

Would this scheme work?

Yes, but not very well given that its an air cored
transformer with just the one turn for the 2,2KV line.

I can't see why it would not.

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 7:20:59 PM UTC-4, L Thorpe wrote:
Let me begin by saying that I do not advocate the stealing of power
from the electrical companies. I am just curious about how it possibly
could be done and I would never put such knowledge into practice.

Power thieves usually (always?) bypass the power meter and
connect directly to the power line.

But what about induction? What about an inductive coupling
to the power line?

Electric power, I believe, is distributed to residential areas
as 2200 Volt lines. Before entering the home, this voltage is
stepped down to 220 Volts with a pole-mounted transformer.

It's actually several times that at the typical utility pole.




Wrapping an inductive coil around a 2200 Volt line could create
a circuit that would deliver power to the home, and the power
company would never know it (unless a technician actually spotted
the strange coil).

Of course, it would be bit risky to climb a power pole and wrap
an inductive coil but we are discussing only what is theoretically
possible.

Would this scheme work?

I can't see why it would not.

The amount of power you can transfer depends on the strength of the magnetic
flux and how many coils of wire you have in the flux. A single wire on
the electric pole isn't going to produce much flux, which is why transformers and similar use many turns on both sides and are bulky. Aside from that,
if I was trying to steal power I'd much rather try to hide what I was doing
at or near the house, not up on a pole in full view with wires running back
to my house.
turns on

On 5 Aug 2019 23:20:00 GMT, L Thorpe wrote:

Let me begin by saying that I do not advocate the stealing of power
from the electrical companies. I am just curious about how it possibly
could be done and I would never put such knowledge into practice.

Power thieves usually (always?) bypass the power meter and
connect directly to the power line.

But what about induction? What about an inductive coupling
to the power line?

Electric power, I believe, is distributed to residential areas
as 2200 Volt lines. Before entering the home, this voltage is
stepped down to 220 Volts with a pole-mounted transformer.

Wrapping an inductive coil around a 2200 Volt line could create
a circuit that would deliver power to the home, and the power
company would never know it (unless a technician actually spotted
the strange coil).

Of course, it would be bit risky to climb a power pole and wrap
an inductive coil but we are discussing only what is theoretically
possible.

Would this scheme work?

I can't see why it would not.
Theoretically it could work as long as you didn't wrap the coil
around the power drop to your home. There needs to be lots of CURRENT
flowing in the conductor - the voltage doesn't mean anything if there
is no current - like plugging only one side of the primary of a
transformer into the plug.

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 10:10:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Let me begin by saying that I do not advocate the stealing of power
from the electrical companies. I am just curious about how it possibly
could be done and I would never put such knowledge into practice.

We believe you, really truly we do...

We believe that you are a pathological trolling senile asshole, we really
truly do...

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile
cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

L Thorpe writes:


Electric power, I believe, is distributed to residential areas
as 2200 Volt lines. Before entering the home, this voltage is
stepped down to 220 Volts with a pole-mounted transformer.

Generally the primary side of a residential transformer is
at from 12kv to 25kv. I wouldn't advocate going anywhere
near a 12kv conductor.

Note that many arial primaries are uninsulated. Another reason
to avoid them.

On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 13:51:44 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

L Thorpe writes:


Electric power, I believe, is distributed to residential areas
as 2200 Volt lines. Before entering the home, this voltage is
stepped down to 220 Volts with a pole-mounted transformer.

Generally the primary side of a residential transformer is
at from 12kv to 25kv. I wouldn't advocate going anywhere
near a 12kv conductor.

Note that many arial primaries are uninsulated. Another reason
to avoid them.

Most of the induction schemes proposed don't really work. Rod is
right, a one turn or worse a conductor running parallel to a line is
not going to collect any usable amount of power. I have a 230kv line
and two 26kv lines running near my boat house and if you believe the
urban legends I could just put a F40 fluorescent tube in there and it
would light.
The reality is no combination of coils, long wires running under the
line or anything else I tried would even get a dim glow out of it. I
can get random numbers on my DMM but I get that out in my boat,
nowhere near anything electrical.

On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 11:39:43 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 13:51:44 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

L Thorpe writes:


Electric power, I believe, is distributed to residential areas
as 2200 Volt lines. Before entering the home, this voltage is
stepped down to 220 Volts with a pole-mounted transformer.

Generally the primary side of a residential transformer is
at from 12kv to 25kv. I wouldn't advocate going anywhere
near a 12kv conductor.

Note that many arial primaries are uninsulated. Another reason
to avoid them.

Most of the induction schemes proposed don't really work. Rod is
right, a one turn or worse a conductor running parallel to a line is
not going to collect any usable amount of power. I have a 230kv line
and two 26kv lines running near my boat house and if you believe the
urban legends I could just put a F40 fluorescent tube in there and it
would light.
The reality is no combination of coils, long wires running under the
line or anything else I tried would even get a dim glow out of it. I
can get random numbers on my DMM but I get that out in my boat,
nowhere near anything electrical.


You'd probably need to feel the charge to get a tube to glow.
The 550 kV switchyard where I once worked was said to do it.
A person walking in that yard would usually feel the hairs on his arms
standing up ; plus every piece of solidly grounded structure would
give you a static spark when touched with bare skin ..
The manually operated handwheel circuit ground switches
would draw ~ 10 foot arcs when opening ! due to the induced
circulating ground current of 2 long lines sharing towers.
.... they were subsequently motorized with arc-snuffers.
John T.