Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house. I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar. Are there any makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher security ? Thanks

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Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house.
I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar.

Mine can't. After the sliding part is put on the track, you lower the
wheels by inserting a screwdriver in a hole at the end of the door.
That stops the bottom of the door being able to be moved out
of the track until the wheels are raised again. The burglar can't
get to those holes. The one closes to the lock can only be
used once the door is unlocked and the other one can only
be accessed from inside the house with the door locked.

The fixed pane has a L bracket that is screwed into the track
and the door panel.

Are there any makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher
security ?

You can get pins that go thru the tracks and the bottom metal
frame of the door from the inside which prevent the door from
being lifted while the pins are in place. Not so convenient to
use tho because they need to be removed before the door
can be opened.

And whatever you do securing the panes, the thief can just smash
the glass. But you can get smashed glass sensors for alarm panels.

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Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house.
I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar.

Mine can't.

His obviously can, senile asshole!

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On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:59:04 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house. I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar. Are there any makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher security ? Thanks
Look for a "filler strip" in the top track - makes it IMPOSSIBLE to
lift the door in the closed position.

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:59:04 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house. I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar. Are there any makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher security ? Thanks

My Andersen 400s have a cleat inside that needs to be removed to tilt
the door and get it off the track. The top rail barely clears the
door.
There is an after market fix tho. You cut a strip of wood or trex that
fills the gap between the door and the top of the top rail. You have
to open the door to remove the strip and the door will not lift off
the track with it in place.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:16:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

wrote

Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house.
I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar.

Mine can't. After the sliding part is put on the track, you lower the
wheels by inserting a screwdriver in a hole at the end of the door.
That stops the bottom of the door being able to be moved out
of the track until the wheels are raised again. The burglar can't
get to those holes. The one closes to the lock can only be
used once the door is unlocked and the other one can only
be accessed from inside the house with the door locked.

The fixed pane has a L bracket that is screwed into the track
and the door panel.

Are there any makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher
security ?

You can get pins that go thru the tracks and the bottom metal
frame of the door from the inside which prevent the door from
being lifted while the pins are in place. Not so convenient to
use tho because they need to be removed before the door
can be opened.

And whatever you do securing the panes, the thief can just smash
the glass. But you can get smashed glass sensors for alarm panels.

Good luck breaking mine. They are hurricane glass. They shoot 8' 2x4s
at them at about 90-100 mph to test them. The doors weigh 285# each so
even if they could, it is going to take a big guy to lift them out.

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On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:59:04 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house. I know
sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar. Are there any
makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher security ? Thanks

My Andersen 400s have a cleat inside that needs to be removed to tilt
the door and get it off the track. The top rail barely clears the
door.
There is an after market fix tho. You cut a strip of wood or trex that
fills the gap between the door and the top of the top rail. You have
to open the door to remove the strip and the door will not lift off
the track with it in place.

And mine has a bloody great 1/2" dam post that the lock grabs which
goes into the sliding pane frame when you close and lock the door so
it isnt possible to raise that side of the door when its locked.

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On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:16:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

wrote

Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house.
I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar.

Mine can't. After the sliding part is put on the track, you lower the
wheels by inserting a screwdriver in a hole at the end of the door.
That stops the bottom of the door being able to be moved out
of the track until the wheels are raised again. The burglar can't
get to those holes. The one closes to the lock can only be
used once the door is unlocked and the other one can only
be accessed from inside the house with the door locked.

The fixed pane has a L bracket that is screwed into the track
and the door panel.

Are there any makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher
security ?

You can get pins that go thru the tracks and the bottom metal
frame of the door from the inside which prevent the door from
being lifted while the pins are in place. Not so convenient to
use tho because they need to be removed before the door
can be opened.

And whatever you do securing the panes, the thief can just smash
the glass. But you can get smashed glass sensors for alarm panels.

Good luck breaking mine. They are hurricane glass. They
shoot 8' 2x4s at them at about 90-100 mph to test them.

When mine were first released in the very early 70s, with heat
treated glass, the manufacturer had a video showing someone
trying to break it with a sledge hammer, repeatedly, and failing.

The will break with a sharp stone tho and
shatter into countless small pieces.

The doors weigh 285# each so even if they could,
it is going to take a big guy to lift them out.

Or a decent leaver. Easy enough to organise.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:48:11 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:59:04 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house. I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar.

Not very easily when they're shut and latched, although they can be
unlatched from the outside by removing the plug that is where the lock
would go for those who have an outside lock for the SGD. Or by drilling
out the lock if it has a lock. Most average burglars don't seem to do
either of these, but who knows if yours will be average.

So at least as important as keeping the door from being lifted up is
keeping it from being opened, once it's unlatched. To do that put a
board or a piece of metal conduit in the track where the door would go
if opened. You can have two lengths, one full length for when you're
away and one ~6" shorter than that, so you can have the door open for a
breeze when you're home but the space is too small for anyone to get in.

I just use the 6" shorter one all the time. Breakins are very uncommon
around here. (I subscribe to a crime reporter so I know.)

Putting something on the floor in the channel is, it seems, better than
those square cross section rods that come attached and hinged half-way
up the door. I've heard one can slip a tool in and lift them up.
Harder to do with one on the floor because the burglar can't see it.

He can still get in but if you make it difficult, he'll go to the next
house.

Are there any makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher security ? Thanks

Your current one is fine.

My Andersen 400s have a cleat inside that needs to be removed to tilt
the door and get it off the track. The top rail barely clears the
door.
There is an after market fix tho. You cut a strip of wood or trex that
fills the gap between the door and the top of the top rail. You have
to open the door to remove the strip and the door will not lift off
the track with it in place.

You probably had to unscrew and take a metal piece off the end to get
access to the area. Easy to sscrew it back on later.

A broom stick is about the right size, but look to see how much higher
the top of the broom stick is than the top of the door was. (or how far
it is from the top of the broom stick to the top of the channel) You
don't have to cram it in, but it needs to be tall enough that one can no
longer lift the door enough to take the door out.

Once it's in, you don't have to worry about it until, possibly, the
wheels wear out and you have to take the door out. They're very heavy.
Post back if you ever want to do that.

Easier than lowering the wheels (that is, raising the door by the
lowering the wheels.)

On 07/09/2019 08:51 PM, wrote:
Good luck breaking mine. They are hurricane glass. They shoot 8' 2x4s
at them at about 90-100 mph to test them. The doors weigh 285# each so
even if they could, it is going to take a big guy to lift them out.

Do they test them with an automatic center punch?

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 21:33:57 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 07/09/2019 08:51 PM, wrote:
Good luck breaking mine. They are hurricane glass. They shoot 8' 2x4s
at them at about 90-100 mph to test them. The doors weigh 285# each so
even if they could, it is going to take a big guy to lift them out.

Do they test them with an automatic center punch?

You might break the outer layer of glass but the membranes inside
would hold the glass together and you are probably not breaking the
other layers.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:32:20 -0400, micky
wrote:


A broom stick

A traditional wooden broom stick, not a metal broom stick.

is about the right size, but look to see how much higher
the top of the broom stick is than the top of the door was. (or how far
it is from the top of the broom stick to the top of the channel) You
don't have to cram it in, but it needs to be tall enough that one can no
longer lift the door enough to take the door out.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:12:47 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:16:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

wrote

Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house.
I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar.

Mine can't. After the sliding part is put on the track, you lower the
wheels by inserting a screwdriver in a hole at the end of the door.
That stops the bottom of the door being able to be moved out
of the track until the wheels are raised again. The burglar can't
get to those holes. The one closes to the lock can only be
used once the door is unlocked and the other one can only
be accessed from inside the house with the door locked.

The fixed pane has a L bracket that is screwed into the track
and the door panel.

Are there any makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher
security ?

You can get pins that go thru the tracks and the bottom metal
frame of the door from the inside which prevent the door from
being lifted while the pins are in place. Not so convenient to
use tho because they need to be removed before the door
can be opened.

And whatever you do securing the panes, the thief can just smash
the glass. But you can get smashed glass sensors for alarm panels.

Good luck breaking mine. They are hurricane glass. They
shoot 8' 2x4s at them at about 90-100 mph to test them.

When mine were first released in the very early 70s, with heat
treated glass, the manufacturer had a video showing someone
trying to break it with a sledge hammer, repeatedly, and failing.

I bet he'd also have failed trying to do the same with your thick head,
senile Rodent!


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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


And mine has a bloody great 1/2" dam post

Are you talking about your brain, senile Rodent?

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Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house. I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar. Are there any makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher security ? Thanks

A simple 1" X 1" stick of wood or a broom handle that will fit in
the track where the door slides. Cut to 1/4" less so you can
insert it or remove it easily.

For extra security at night, leave an *inside* light on at night
near that door. No burglar wants to stand on your porch trying to
break in when they are highlighted like that. I leave my kitchen
light (just one bulb) on all night every night just for that
reason plus it provides faint night light for the rest of the
place. The minimal electricity used is very insignificant.

hi, for those of you who said you have shatter/storm/burglar resistant sliding doors, who makes them and what model?
I do actually use a metal security rod that fastens in place (version of the broom handle) ... but I dont know if that completely addresses the issue of thieves lifting the door out of the track

Thanks

On 7/10/19 10:45 AM, wrote:
hi, for those of you who said you have shatter/storm/burglar resistant sliding doors, who makes them and what model?
I do actually use a metal security rod that fastens in place (version of the broom handle) ... but I dont know if that completely addresses the issue of thieves lifting the door out of the track

Thanks


You might be able to keep kids out but ain't no match for Mr. Stihl.

https://www.stihlusa.com/products/co...crete-cutters/

On 7/9/2019 6:59 PM, wrote:
Hi, I need to replace a sliding glass door on the back of my house. I know sliding doors can be lifted out of the track by a burglar. Are there any makes/models of sliding glass doors that offer higher security ? Thanks


Use one of these
https://www.homedepot.com/p/First-Wa...r+security+pin

Use a wooden/metal bar, as many have suggested.

Apply shatterproof film if glass is not already shatterproof.

Attach/install an alarm system.

Install video camera.

The more you make it difficult for a thief, the faster he'll move on to
the next victim. They want easy and will not waste time on a home that
isn't.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 07:45:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

hi, for those of you who said you have shatter/storm/burglar resistant sliding doors, who makes them and what model?
I do actually use a metal security rod that fastens in place (version of the broom handle) ... but I dont know if that completely addresses the issue of thieves lifting the door out of the track

Thanks

My hurricane rated slider is made by WinDoor but PGT makes them too. I
assume these days most major manufacturers will but be aware the 6
panel corner slider I have lists for over $20,000 (2009 price). Even
getting it at "cost" it was $8k plus installation.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:57:20 -0400, Gunnar Hansen
wrote:

On 7/10/19 10:45 AM, wrote:
hi, for those of you who said you have shatter/storm/burglar resistant sliding doors, who makes them and what model?
I do actually use a metal security rod that fastens in place (version of the broom handle) ... but I dont know if that completely addresses the issue of thieves lifting the door out of the track

Thanks


You might be able to keep kids out but ain't no match for Mr. Stihl.

https://www.stihlusa.com/products/co...crete-cutters/

Make that much noise and you will be talking to Mr Winchester.
It will be a one way conversation.

On 7/10/19 1:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:57:20 -0400, Gunnar Hansen
wrote:

On 7/10/19 10:45 AM, wrote:
hi, for those of you who said you have shatter/storm/burglar resistant sliding doors, who makes them and what model?
I do actually use a metal security rod that fastens in place (version of the broom handle) ... but I dont know if that completely addresses the issue of thieves lifting the door out of the track

Thanks

You might be able to keep kids out but ain't no match for Mr. Stihl.

https://www.stihlusa.com/products/co...crete-cutters/
Make that much noise and you will be talking to Mr Winchester.
It will be a one way conversation.


Liberal sissies don't know Mr. Winchester.Â* Put on a hard hat, face shield and a safety orange vest and no one would think twice.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 07:45:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

hi, for those of you who said you have shatter/storm/burglar resistant sliding doors, who makes them and what model?
I do actually use a metal security rod that fastens in place (version of the broom handle) ... but I dont know if that completely addresses the issue of thieves lifting the door out of the track



Thanks
get out your pinchbar and give it a try. If you can lift it a thief
can. If you can't there's a pretty good chance a thief can't either.