humming CFL
I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet
away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? |
humming CFL
"micky" wrote in message ... I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? The noise you are hearing is the high frequency ac it generates. You don't have to do leds that way, its easy to have a constant current linear supply. How easy it is to find something in the specs on ebay or amazon tho is harder to say but they do exist. |
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? The noise you are hearing is the high frequency ac it generates. What everyone hears here is you bull****ting away like there was no tomorrow, you trolling 85-year-old senile pest! -- about senile Rot Speed: "This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage." MID: |
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In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 04:03:38 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: "micky" wrote in message .. . I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? The noise you are hearing is the high frequency ac it generates. You don't have to do leds that way, its easy to have a constant current linear supply. How easy it is to find something in the specs on ebay or amazon tho is harder to say but they do exist. You've gotten too technical for me. Maybe people in the group I added can tell me where to buy what you're suggesting. |
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"micky" wrote in message ... In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 04:03:38 +1000, "Rod Speed" wrote: "micky" wrote in message . .. I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? The noise you are hearing is the high frequency ac it generates. You don't have to do leds that way, its easy to have a constant current linear supply. How easy it is to find something in the specs on ebay or amazon tho is harder to say but they do exist. You've gotten too technical for me. Maybe people in the group I added can tell me where to buy what you're suggesting. Quite a few sold everywhere are like that. I use Philips Hues which likely are fine but that system is very expensive for just the one led light. |
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: I use Philips Hues I told you already several times, you can shove your Philips Hues up yours, senile Ozzie pest! -- FredXX to Rot Speed: "You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity and criminality is inherited after all?" Message-ID: |
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On 6/2/2019 6:18 AM, micky wrote:
I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? You could add a better directional antenna to the radio. I've not had any similar problem myself, so maybe you just tried the wrong bulb, Or, maybe you just need an AC filter between the lamp and the AC line that is probably shared with the radio. |
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On 6/2/19 9:18 AM, micky wrote:
I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? Probably expensive but if the lievertising is to be believed, these might fix your problem. https://www.geniecompany.com/garage-...ight-bulb.aspx |
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In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 06:15:07 -0400, Biff Tannen
wrote: On 6/2/19 9:18 AM, micky wrote: I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? Probably expensive but if the lievertising is to be believed, these might fix your problem. https://www.geniecompany.com/garage-...ight-bulb.aspx It's $19/2 of them, at Home Depot and Amazon, and Amazon has one for almost $10. Thanks. Expensive but a good idea. Bob, there's one other bulb in the package. I'll try that As I said, with the CFL the interference could be lessened by turing the radio off frequency a little**, but with the first LED bulb, I turned the tuning knob a half turn in each direction, from maybe 88 to 92 MHz FM. and the hum was the same everywhere, twice as loud as the sound had been. It's interesting that it interfered with FM reception, which is less vulnerable than AM, but it appeears, not invulnerable. **An advantage to analog tuning over digital tuning. |
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"micky" wrote in message ... In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 06:15:07 -0400, Biff Tannen wrote: On 6/2/19 9:18 AM, micky wrote: I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? Probably expensive but if the lievertising is to be believed, these might fix your problem. https://www.geniecompany.com/garage-...ight-bulb.aspx It's $19/2 of them, at Home Depot and Amazon, and Amazon has one for almost $10. Thanks. Expensive but a good idea. Bob, there's one other bulb in the package. I'll try that As I said, with the CFL the interference could be lessened by turing the radio off frequency a little**, That's because it was a relatively weak harmonic of the chopping frequency. but with the first LED bulb, I turned the tuning knob a half turn in each direction, from maybe 88 to 92 MHz FM. and the hum was the same everywhere, twice as loud as the sound had been. That's because the designer was stupid enough to use a chopping frequency that's right in that band. It's interesting that it interfered with FM reception, which is less vulnerable than AM, but it appeears, not invulnerable. Yeah, particularly with that powerful a signal. **An advantage to analog tuning over digital tuning. |
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: It's interesting that it interfered with FM reception, which is less vulnerable than AM, but it appeears, not invulnerable. Yeah, particularly with that powerful a signal. No ****, eh, senile wisenheimer? tsk -- FredXX to Rot Speed: "You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity and criminality is inherited after all?" Message-ID: |
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On 6/2/2019 9:18 AM, micky wrote:
Any other way to get rid of the hum? Teach it the words to the song. |
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On 2019-06-03 5:55 p.m., Meanie wrote:
On 6/2/2019 9:18 AM, micky wrote: Â* Any other way to get rid of the hum? Teach it the words to the song. tell her not now dear we're in public |
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On 6/3/2019 11:18 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 06:15:07 -0400, Biff Tannen wrote: On 6/2/19 9:18 AM, micky wrote: I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? Probably expensive but if the lievertising is to be believed, these might fix your problem. https://www.geniecompany.com/garage-...ight-bulb.aspx It's $19/2 of them, at Home Depot and Amazon, and Amazon has one for almost $10. Thanks. Expensive but a good idea. Bob, there's one other bulb in the package. I'll try that Another model or brand is more likely to make the needed difference. |
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On 6/3/19 1:18 PM, micky wrote:
[snip] As I said, with the CFL the interference could be lessened by turing the radio off frequency a little**, but with the first LED bulb, I turned the tuning knob a half turn in each direction, from maybe 88 to 92 MHz FM. and the hum was the same everywhere, twice as loud as the sound had been. It's interesting that it interfered with FM reception, which is less vulnerable than AM, but it appeears, not invulnerable. **An advantage to analog tuning over digital tuning. In the eighties I had an old TV (non cable ready). I found that by setting it to channel 7 and misadjusting the fine tuning, I could get channel 22 (cable midband, frequency just below that of ch. 7). BTW, you could get ch. 6 sound on an FM radio. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "I refuse to be labeled immoral merely because I am godless." [Peter Walker on alt.atheism] |
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In Mark Lloyd writes:
In the eighties I had an old TV (non cable ready). I found that by setting it to channel 7 and misadjusting the fine tuning, I could get channel 22 (cable midband, frequency just below that of ch. 7). BTW, you could get ch. 6 sound on an FM radio. You still can (well, the analog channel 6). This is used, even today, by a bunch of "radio stations" (in quotes 'cuz, see below..) who are technically licensed as low power analog tv channel 6 (which is still allowed) but in reality are using that slot to give them a decent range audio/radio signal at 87.7 FM. Note that while the official FM (in the US) band starts a bit higher, most - especially those with tuning dials - will let you hear this one, too. Info on a typical station: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WNYZ-LP -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
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In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:08:26 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote: On 6/3/19 1:18 PM, micky wrote: [snip] As I said, with the CFL the interference could be lessened by turing the radio off frequency a little**, but with the first LED bulb, I turned the tuning knob a half turn in each direction, from maybe 88 to 92 MHz FM. and the hum was the same everywhere, twice as loud as the sound had been. It's interesting that it interfered with FM reception, which is less vulnerable than AM, but it appeears, not invulnerable. **An advantage to analog tuning over digital tuning. In the eighties I had an old TV (non cable ready). I found that by setting it to channel 7 and misadjusting the fine tuning, I could get channel 22 (cable midband, frequency just below that of ch. 7). BTW, you could get ch. 6 sound on an FM radio. Wow. Unrelated but you remind me, Our first TV was a Dumont, with magic eye tuning. It had continuous tuning like a radio (both gross? and fine tuning) and the channels 2 to 13 were marked in their approximate location on the dial, 2 where 1 o'clock would be, and 13 where 11 o'clock would be. I think 2, 3, 4, and 5 were grouped together, then a space and 6 and 7, then 8 to 13 in a group. Between 7 and 8 were the FM radio stations, and a swich on the TV would turn off the picture so you could listen to the radio without running the TV. Unfortunately there were no FM stations in New Castle, Pa. or even Pittsburgh in 1953 or 1960, none in Indianapolis from 1960 to 64, none in Chicago afaik from 64 to 70, but by the time I got to NYC in '71, they had FM radio. Unfortunately I didn't still have that television. |
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In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 21:26:48 -0700, Bob F
wrote: On 6/3/2019 11:18 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 06:15:07 -0400, Biff Tannen wrote: On 6/2/19 9:18 AM, micky wrote: I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? Probably expensive but if the lievertising is to be believed, these might fix your problem. https://www.geniecompany.com/garage-...ight-bulb.aspx It's $19/2 of them, at Home Depot and Amazon, and Amazon has one for almost $10. Thanks. Expensive but a good idea. Bob, there's one other bulb in the package. I'll try that Another model or brand is more likely to make the needed difference. You're right. I put the noisy LED bulb in the ceiling fixture and now it's about 5 feet from the radio and doesn't interfere at all. It's called "daylight" and at 100 eq. watts it gave a very strange appearance to the room. I'll probably get used to it. They didn't have anohter low-cost LED at HDepot and ... I'll probably get used to it. After all, it's "daylight". |
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On Wed, 05 Jun 2019 22:47:01 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 21:26:48 -0700, Bob F wrote: On 6/3/2019 11:18 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 06:15:07 -0400, Biff Tannen wrote: On 6/2/19 9:18 AM, micky wrote: I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? Probably expensive but if the lievertising is to be believed, these might fix your problem. https://www.geniecompany.com/garage-...ight-bulb.aspx It's $19/2 of them, at Home Depot and Amazon, and Amazon has one for almost $10. Thanks. Expensive but a good idea. Bob, there's one other bulb in the package. I'll try that Another model or brand is more likely to make the needed difference. You're right. I put the noisy LED bulb in the ceiling fixture and now it's about 5 feet from the radio and doesn't interfere at all. It's called "daylight" and at 100 eq. watts it gave a very strange appearance to the room. I'll probably get used to it. They didn't have anohter low-cost LED at HDepot and ... I'll probably get used to it. After all, it's "daylight". Had a batch of cheap LED bulbs at the office - close to a remote control ceiling fan. With the lights on the remote didn't work. Would not have been a problem but the fan power was switched with the lights - - - - - - - - - - |
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On Wed, 05 Jun 2019 22:47:01 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 21:26:48 -0700, Bob F wrote: On 6/3/2019 11:18 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 06:15:07 -0400, Biff Tannen wrote: On 6/2/19 9:18 AM, micky wrote: I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? Probably expensive but if the lievertising is to be believed, these might fix your problem. https://www.geniecompany.com/garage-...ight-bulb.aspx It's $19/2 of them, at Home Depot and Amazon, and Amazon has one for almost $10. Thanks. Expensive but a good idea. Bob, there's one other bulb in the package. I'll try that Another model or brand is more likely to make the needed difference. You're right. I put the noisy LED bulb in the ceiling fixture and now it's about 5 feet from the radio and doesn't interfere at all. It's called "daylight" and at 100 eq. watts it gave a very strange appearance to the room. I'll probably get used to it. They didn't have anohter low-cost LED at HDepot and ... I'll probably get used to it. After all, it's "daylight". I never got used to "cool white" flourescents. The "delux cool white" was better. I've switched virtually everything to LED now and I use ONLY daylight. Took a bit of getting used to, but the light is SO much more natural - and SEEMS a lot brighter for the same lumen output because the human eye senses bkue light much better than yellow |
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On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 11:14:35 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
Had a batch of cheap LED bulbs at the office - close to a remote control ceiling fan. With the lights on the remote didn't work. Would not have been a problem but the fan power was switched with the lights - - - - - - - - - - CFLs will do that too. A lot of TV remotes stopped working when CFLs came out. The spectrum of the lamp affects the IR sensor that the remote shoots at. |
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On 6/5/19 9:47 PM, micky wrote:
[snip] It's called "daylight" and at 100 eq. watts it gave a very strange appearance to the room. I'll probably get used to it. They didn't have anohter low-cost LED at HDepot and ... I'll probably get used to it. After all, it's "daylight". I find the old "dirty yellow" bulbs looking worse and worse now that real white is available. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people." [Martin Luther,"On the Jews and Their Lies",1543] |
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On 6/5/19 10:17 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
[snip] I never got used to "cool white" flourescents. The "delux cool white" was better. I've switched virtually everything to LED now and I use ONLY daylight. Took a bit of getting used to, but the light is SO much more natural - and SEEMS a lot brighter for the same lumen output because the human eye senses bkue light much better than yellow Yes. Blue and yellow together make white. BTW, I first saw that with some "color changing" Christmas lights. These used blue and yellow LEDs connected in opposite polarity, so the color could be controlled by controlling polarity. If both LEDs are lit (actually alternating fast), you get white. In the same way red and green make yellow. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people." [Martin Luther,"On the Jews and Their Lies",1543] |
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 04:47:22 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote: On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 11:14:35 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote: Had a batch of cheap LED bulbs at the office - close to a remote control ceiling fan. With the lights on the remote didn't work. Would not have been a problem but the fan power was switched with the lights - - - - - - - - - - CFLs will do that too. A lot of TV remotes stopped working when CFLs came out. The spectrum of the lamp affects the IR sensor that the remote shoots at. With the TV remotes it was the "light" spectrum. With the fan is was "RF" |
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... On 6/5/19 9:47 PM, micky wrote: [snip] It's called "daylight" and at 100 eq. watts it gave a very strange appearance to the room. I'll probably get used to it. They didn't have anohter low-cost LED at HDepot and ... I'll probably get used to it. After all, it's "daylight". I find the old "dirty yellow" bulbs looking worse and worse now that real white is available. I did have that reaction initially when I installed the Philips Hue lights right thru my house. Got the dirty yellow starter kit and hated how yellow it was, even tho I mostly used PAR38 floods and spots inside the house before that. So I got the fully color controlled bulbs for the ones after the initial starter kit of 3 bulbs and used the yellow ones in the bedroom, the room where I store all the beer I brew etc. Dont really notice the dirty yellow in the bedroom anymore even tho it gets used every day. And I now how quite a few of what Philips call white ambience which can be set to any white you like but not any color you like like the most expensive bulbs can be. |
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I put up with the "not quite" white that yellows with age
CFLs and the not instant on simply because they made my electric bill go way down Now that LEDs are cheap, I buy them at Wal-Mart. Instant on and something close to white again. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: I did have that reaction initially when I installed the Philips Hue I told you already, and I will tell you again: you can shove your Philips Hue up yours, senile Rodent! -- Sqwertz to Rot Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
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On 6/6/19 5:42 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says... Now that LEDs are cheap, I buy them at Wal-Mart. Instant on and something close to white again. Do you notice that some come on instantly and some seem to have about a 2 second delay. The ones I have with the delay do come on full brightness as far as I can tell at the end of those 2 seconds. I had one strange CFL that actually changed color. It would come on dirty yellow, and a few seconds later turned white. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Life after death" is an obvious contradiction, unless you're really into "dynamic redefinition". The "life" that exists afterward COULDN'T be the same one that just ended irreversibly by "death". |
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:17:28 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Wed, 05 Jun 2019 22:47:01 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 21:26:48 -0700, Bob F wrote: On 6/3/2019 11:18 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jun 2019 06:15:07 -0400, Biff Tannen wrote: On 6/2/19 9:18 AM, micky wrote: I've been listening to a weak FM radio station, on a radio, and 2 feet away was a desk lamp. It used a CFL and I noticed static or some kind of interference in the reception. It could be lessened by changing the frequency a little, but the result was still less volume than when the light was off. So I figured, LEDs! They won't make interference. Bought Ecosmart. Then the radio hummed so loud I couldn't hear the station at all. I will probably go back to incandescent. Any other way to get rid of the hum? Probably expensive but if the lievertising is to be believed, these might fix your problem. https://www.geniecompany.com/garage-...ight-bulb.aspx It's $19/2 of them, at Home Depot and Amazon, and Amazon has one for almost $10. Thanks. Expensive but a good idea. Bob, there's one other bulb in the package. I'll try that Another model or brand is more likely to make the needed difference. You're right. I put the noisy LED bulb in the ceiling fixture and now it's about 5 feet from the radio and doesn't interfere at all. It's called "daylight" and at 100 eq. watts it gave a very strange appearance to the room. I'll probably get used to it. They didn't have anohter low-cost LED at HDepot and ... I'll probably get used to it. After all, it's "daylight". I never got used to "cool white" flourescents. The "delux cool white" was better. I've switched virtually everything to LED now and I use ONLY daylight. Took a bit of getting used to, but the light is SO much more natural - and SEEMS a lot brighter for the same lumen output because the human eye senses bkue light much better than yellow Yes, it does seem very bright. It lights up the whole kitchen and when I had an incandescent bulb 100W, I changed to 150. Of course maybe it just seems to light up the whole kitchen because I had no ceiling light for a month and was away for the 3 months before that. We shall see. They have a small exhibit at HDepot where you put your hand or something in the little box, one of three boxes for each kind of light. And some make-up mirrors claim to use 3 kinds of light. I'll have to pay more attention. |
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