I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these "floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?" Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall. How can that possibly support anything?

Commander Kinsey wrote

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.

Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw
going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:27:29 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.

Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw
going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

But proper shelves have an angled bracket which can hold a lot of weight. Nothing without a 45 degree support can hold weight. Just try holding a car battery at arms length. Now support your arm at your elbow by using the other arm at 45 degrees.

On 16/05/2019 19:20, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.* But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised.* I thought, "What's holding them up?"
Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw going straight
into the back of the shelf out of the wall.* How can that possibly
support anything?

We have a couple. They are full of books. No problems. Ours have ends
which have mounting screws. I've also put up others (for daughter)
which have a plate with rods which stick out. The shelf has holes the
rods fit into. Also used for books.

I confess I've been surprised how well they work.

I think ours came from Ikea. I suspect daughters' did as well but I
don't recall.



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FLUSH the two clinically insane prize idiots' latest idiotic drivel unread

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:27:29 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.

Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw
going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

But proper shelves have an angled bracket which can hold a lot of weight.

But plenty don't need to hold a lot of weight and prefer the cleaner
look of a floating shelf which has no visible brackets at all.

Nothing without a 45 degree support can hold weight.

That's wrong too. I do mine that need to hold a lot of weigh
with a floor to ceiling rectangular welded frames made of
dexion slotted tubing with shelves that are fully adjustable
on 25mm spacings with the frames bolted to the walls.

Just try holding a car battery at arms length. Now support your arm at
your elbow by using the other arm at 45 degrees.

See above.

On Fri, 17 May 2019 05:14:46 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:



See above.

All he can see above is you two prize idiots having another retarded
"conversation"!

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On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:48:43 +0100, Brian Reay, another mentally challenged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:


We have a couple.

Are you talking about your two brain cells, troll-feeding senile idiot?

On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:14:46 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:27:29 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.

Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw
going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

But proper shelves have an angled bracket which can hold a lot of weight.

But plenty don't need to hold a lot of weight and prefer the cleaner
look of a floating shelf which has no visible brackets at all.

Nothing without a 45 degree support can hold weight.

That's wrong too. I do mine that need to hold a lot of weigh
with a floor to ceiling rectangular welded frames made of
dexion slotted tubing with shelves that are fully adjustable
on 25mm spacings with the frames bolted to the walls.

So is there anything holding up the shelf apart from at the back?

Just try holding a car battery at arms length. Now support your arm at
your elbow by using the other arm at 45 degrees.

See above.

On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:20:14 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.
But I see these "floating shelves" advertised. I thought,
"What's holding them up?" Apparently there's no right angle involved,
just a screw going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?


Here's one style :

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware...648,43649&ap=1

John T.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:14:46 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:27:29 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.

Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw
going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

But proper shelves have an angled bracket which can hold a lot of
weight.

But plenty don't need to hold a lot of weight and prefer the cleaner
look of a floating shelf which has no visible brackets at all.

Nothing without a 45 degree support can hold weight.

That's wrong too. I do mine that need to hold a lot of weigh
with a floor to ceiling rectangular welded frames made of
dexion slotted tubing with shelves that are fully adjustable
on 25mm spacings with the frames bolted to the walls.

So is there anything holding up the shelf apart from at the back?

Wrong, I said it's a RECTANGULAR frame, so the is one vertical at the
back of the shelf and another at the front at the front of the shelf.

Just try holding a car battery at arms length. Now support your arm at
your elbow by using the other arm at 45 degrees.

See above.

On Thu, 16 May 2019 18:14:06 -0400, , yet another
braindead troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


Here's one style :

He's one filthy asshole troll ...while you are one retarded senile
troll-feeding asshole!

On Fri, 17 May 2019 08:15:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Wrong, I said

I say you are a clinically insane 85-year-old trolling senile asshole,
senile Rodent!

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On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:14:06 +0100, wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:20:14 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.
But I see these "floating shelves" advertised. I thought,
"What's holding them up?" Apparently there's no right angle involved,
just a screw going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?


Here's one style :

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware...648,43649&ap=1

It doesn't say how big the two screws on each support are, but why don't they just get ripped out of the wall? When I make a shelf, there's a bracket that goes below the shelf so it holds it up properly. Way too much leverage without the screws lower down.

On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:15:27 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:14:46 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:27:29 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.

Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw
going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

But proper shelves have an angled bracket which can hold a lot of
weight.

But plenty don't need to hold a lot of weight and prefer the cleaner
look of a floating shelf which has no visible brackets at all.

Nothing without a 45 degree support can hold weight.

That's wrong too. I do mine that need to hold a lot of weigh
with a floor to ceiling rectangular welded frames made of
dexion slotted tubing with shelves that are fully adjustable
on 25mm spacings with the frames bolted to the walls.

So is there anything holding up the shelf apart from at the back?

Wrong, I said it's a RECTANGULAR frame, so the is one vertical at the
back of the shelf and another at the front at the front of the shelf.

So real shelves, not this floating ****. Something needs to hold the weight at the front of the shelf, or immense forces appear at the back.

On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:41:45 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:14:06 +0100, wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:20:14 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.
But I see these "floating shelves" advertised. I thought,
"What's holding them up?" Apparently there's no right angle involved,
just a screw going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?


Here's one style :

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware...648,43649&ap=1

It doesn't say how big the two screws on each support are,
but why don't they just get ripped out of the wall?



The " Instr " link on the web page does give more details :
" secure the base plate using a #8 x 1-1/2" (or longer)
flat-head screws "
... that's for wood studs ; for metal studs - read the Instr. .
The weight bearing ability is in the product description.
John T.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:14:06 +0100, wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:20:14 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.
But I see these "floating shelves" advertised. I thought,
"What's holding them up?" Apparently there's no right angle involved,
just a screw going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?


Here's one style :

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware...648,43649&ap=1

It doesn't say how big the two screws on each support are, but why don't
they just get ripped out of the wall? When I make a shelf, there's a
bracket that goes below the shelf so it holds it up properly. Way too
much leverage without the screws lower down.

That's wrong too. There is no need for the lower screws, they just stop
the bracket sliding down the wall and the top screws do that fine. The
bracket pivots around the bottom edge of the bracket and it's the top
screws that stop the shelf tilting under load.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:15:27 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:14:46 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:27:29 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.

Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw
going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

But proper shelves have an angled bracket which can hold a lot of
weight.

But plenty don't need to hold a lot of weight and prefer the cleaner
look of a floating shelf which has no visible brackets at all.

Nothing without a 45 degree support can hold weight.

That's wrong too. I do mine that need to hold a lot of weigh
with a floor to ceiling rectangular welded frames made of
dexion slotted tubing with shelves that are fully adjustable
on 25mm spacings with the frames bolted to the walls.

So is there anything holding up the shelf apart from at the back?

Wrong, I said it's a RECTANGULAR frame, so the is one vertical at the
back of the shelf and another at the front at the front of the shelf.

So real shelves, not this floating ****.

Yep, but floating shelves work fine in some situations.

Something needs to hold the weight at the front of the shelf,

Yes, but the rods sticking out of the wall do that.

or immense forces appear at the back.

Nothing immense about it. That other one
you were shown will hold a 100lb weight fine.

I hate them. So often they are not tight and slide out leaving stickyout
rods that are invisible until you bump into one :-)

Brian

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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Commander Kinsey wrote
I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.
Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw going straight
into the back of the shelf out of the wall. How can that possibly
support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

Brian Gaff wrote

I hate them.

I don’t actually use them much, but that’s because I prefer proper
floor to ceiling shelves. I don’t even have a floating shelf for the
shower because I have a window ledge just out of the shower.

So often they are not tight and slide out leaving stickyout rods that are
invisible until you bump into one :-)

Yeah, obviously can be a problem for the blind.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Commander Kinsey wrote
I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.
Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw going straight
into the back of the shelf out of the wall. How can that possibly
support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

On Fri, 17 May 2019 09:54:16 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:



Nothing immense about it.

EVERYTHING immense about the degree of your and his stupidity!

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On Fri, 17 May 2019 09:51:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


That's wrong too. There is no need for the lower screws

The fact is that no screw could be as screwed as you two clinically insane
driveling prize idiots!

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On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:47:03 -0400, , yet another
braindead troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


The " Instr " link on the web page does give more details :
" secure the base plate using a #8 x 1-1/2" (or longer)
flat-head screws "

"Flatheads"? LOL Yep that's what you blathering idiots are!

On Fri, 17 May 2019 18:04:33 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

I hate them.

I don¢t actually use them much

Thanks, that's what everyone wanted to know, you self-opinionated,
self-important senile asshole troll!

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On 5/16/19 6:42 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:15:27 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:14:46 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:27:29 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.* But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised.* I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.

Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw
going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

But proper shelves have an angled bracket which can hold a lot of
weight.

But plenty don't need to hold a lot of weight and prefer the cleaner
look of a floating shelf which has no visible brackets at all.

Nothing without a 45 degree support can hold weight.

That's wrong too. I do mine that need to hold a lot of weigh
with a floor to ceiling rectangular welded frames made of
dexion slotted tubing with shelves that are fully adjustable
on 25mm spacings with the frames bolted to the walls.

So is there anything holding up the shelf apart from at the back?

Wrong, I said it's a RECTANGULAR frame, so the is one vertical at the
back of the shelf and another at the front at the front of the shelf.

So real shelves, not this floating ****.* Something needs to hold the weight at the front of the shelf, or immense forces appear at the back.


To support the shelf properly, you should build support all the way down to the buildings footings.

On Fri, 17 May 2019 00:47:03 +0100, wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:41:45 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:14:06 +0100, wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:20:14 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.
But I see these "floating shelves" advertised. I thought,
"What's holding them up?" Apparently there's no right angle involved,
just a screw going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?


Here's one style :

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware...648,43649&ap=1

It doesn't say how big the two screws on each support are,
but why don't they just get ripped out of the wall?



The " Instr " link on the web page does give more details :
" secure the base plate using a #8 x 1-1/2" (or longer)
flat-head screws "
.. that's for wood studs ; for metal studs - read the Instr. .
The weight bearing ability is in the product description.
John T.

A 1.5" screw doesn't sound like it could take much sideways force.

On 5/17/2019 8:42 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 00:47:03 +0100, wrote:
....

The " Instr " link* on the web page does give more details* :
*" secure the base plate using a #8 x 1-1/2" (or longer) flat-head* screws "
.. that's for wood studs ;* for metal studs - read the* Instr. .
The weight bearing ability* is* in the product description.
** John T.

A 1.5" screw doesn't sound like it could take much sideways force.

The screws are in tension; a 1-1/2" #8 properly installed will withstand
~650 lbf in softer pine, ~960 in hard old growth (Georgia) yellow pine
(hard to find except in older homes).

https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/nbstechnologic/nbstechnologicpapert319.pdf

Roughly matching moment arms

W X 2.5" (midpoint shelf) == 650 X 3/8" (half 1" shelf thickness-1/8")

or
W = 650/(2.5*0.375) -- 98 lb

The estimated load of 100 lb distributed load with four screws sharing
the load seems reasonably conservative even accounting for less than
ideal installation.

Some of the really soft "white wood" studs one now gets probably have
only roughly half that holding power which would still be withing the
state load limits with a ~2X safety factor.

Would you want to use as steps for a loft ladder--obviously not, but for
knick-knack shelf or some medium books and the like they'd be perfectly
adequate.

--

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.
But I see these "floating shelves" advertised. I thought,
"What's holding them up?" Apparently there's no right angle involved,
just a screw going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?


Here's one style :

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware...648,43649&ap=1

It doesn't say how big the two screws on each support are,
but why don't they just get ripped out of the wall?



The " Instr " link on the web page does give more details :
" secure the base plate using a #8 x 1-1/2" (or longer)
flat-head screws "
.. that's for wood studs ; for metal studs - read the Instr. .
The weight bearing ability is in the product description.
John T.

A 1.5" screw doesn't sound like it could take much sideways force.


A minimum of 4 x 1 1/2 inch or longer # 8 screws ;
into wood studs - and most folks aren't overly concerned
with a wall shelf's lateral forces ...
If the kids are swinging from the knick-knack shelves -
build them a climber in the yard !
John T.

On Fri, 17 May 2019 09:13:38 -0500, dpb, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile idiot, blathered:


A 1.5" screw doesn't sound like it could take much sideways force.

The screws

Seriously, what's wrong with you, you troll-feeding senile arsehole? Are you
as screwed as the troll you keep feeding?

On Fri, 17 May 2019 10:14:54 -0400, , another brain
damaged, troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered:



A minimum of 4 x 1 1/2 inch or longer # 8 screws ;
into wood studs - and most folks aren't overly concerned
with a wall shelf's lateral forces ...
If the kids are swinging from the knick-knack shelves -
build them a climber in the yard !
John T.

So for how long are you retards still going to go on like that? Until the
Scottish attention whore is fed up with you again? LOL

On 17/05/2019 11:28, devnull wrote:



To support the shelf properly, you should build support all the way down
to the buildings footings.

Whatever the route, I can say with great confidence that the wall does
provide a load path all the way down to the footings. Adding a floating
shelf puts a relatively small bending moment on the wall at the anchor
points, that's all.

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On 5/17/19 10:45 AM, newshound wrote:
On 17/05/2019 11:28, devnull wrote:



To support the shelf properly, you should build support all the way down to the buildings footings.

Whatever the route, I can say with great confidence that the wall does provide a load path all the way down to the footings. Adding a floating shelf puts a relatively small bending moment on the wall at the anchor points, that's all.

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Furthermore, you'll need to get a building permit and have the shelves inspected by the AHJ.

Failure to comply could result in fines and your insurance company could refuse to pay the claim if your house falls over.

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On Fri, 17 May 2019 00:47:03 +0100, wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:41:45 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:14:06 +0100, wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:20:14 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.
But I see these "floating shelves" advertised. I thought,
"What's holding them up?" Apparently there's no right angle involved,
just a screw going straight into the back of the shelf out of the
wall.
How can that possibly support anything?


Here's one style :

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware...648,43649&ap=1

It doesn't say how big the two screws on each support are,
but why don't they just get ripped out of the wall?



The " Instr " link on the web page does give more details :
" secure the base plate using a #8 x 1-1/2" (or longer)
flat-head screws "
.. that's for wood studs ; for metal studs - read the Instr. .
The weight bearing ability is in the product description.
John T.

A 1.5" screw doesn't sound like it could take much sideways force.

Depends on what you mean by sideways force. If you mean sliding
along the wall, it will work fine and not slide. If you mean being
pulled out of the wall along the long axis of the screw, it will work
fine with the right sized minimal hole.

On Fri, 17 May 2019 00:51:03 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:14:06 +0100, wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:20:14 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.
But I see these "floating shelves" advertised. I thought,
"What's holding them up?" Apparently there's no right angle involved,
just a screw going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?


Here's one style :

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware...648,43649&ap=1

It doesn't say how big the two screws on each support are, but why don't
they just get ripped out of the wall? When I make a shelf, there's a
bracket that goes below the shelf so it holds it up properly. Way too
much leverage without the screws lower down.

That's wrong too. There is no need for the lower screws, they just stop
the bracket sliding down the wall and the top screws do that fine. The
bracket pivots around the bottom edge of the bracket and it's the top
screws that stop the shelf tilting under load.

But if you consider a normal shelf bracket, there's half of it flat against the wall, this stops the shelf bending downwards.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 May 2019 00:51:03 +0100, Rod Speed
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:14:06 +0100, wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:20:14 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets.
But I see these "floating shelves" advertised. I thought,
"What's holding them up?" Apparently there's no right angle involved,
just a screw going straight into the back of the shelf out of the
wall.
How can that possibly support anything?


Here's one style :

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware...648,43649&ap=1

It doesn't say how big the two screws on each support are, but why don't
they just get ripped out of the wall? When I make a shelf, there's a
bracket that goes below the shelf so it holds it up properly. Way too
much leverage without the screws lower down.

That's wrong too. There is no need for the lower screws, they just stop
the bracket sliding down the wall and the top screws do that fine. The
bracket pivots around the bottom edge of the bracket and it's the top
screws that stop the shelf tilting under load.

But if you consider a normal shelf bracket, there's half of it flat
against the wall, this stops the shelf bending downwards.

Yes, but again, it doesn't need screws at the bottom of that except to stop
the entire bracket swivelling around the top screw so it isnt vertical
anymore.

On Sat, 18 May 2019 04:06:05 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Depends on what you mean by sideways force. If you mean sliding
along the wall, it will work fine and not slide. If you mean being
pulled out of the wall along the long axis of the screw, it will work
fine with the right sized minimal hole.

Good Lord! For how long are you two screwed, clinically insane morons STILL
going to on about your screws! tsk

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On Sat, 18 May 2019 04:59:19 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH sick troll****

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On Fri, 17 May 2019 00:54:16 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



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On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:15:27 +0100, Rod Speed
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:14:46 +0100, Rod Speed
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:27:29 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.

Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw
going straight into the back of the shelf out of the wall.
How can that possibly support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.

But proper shelves have an angled bracket which can hold a lot of
weight.

But plenty don't need to hold a lot of weight and prefer the cleaner
look of a floating shelf which has no visible brackets at all.

Nothing without a 45 degree support can hold weight.

That's wrong too. I do mine that need to hold a lot of weigh
with a floor to ceiling rectangular welded frames made of
dexion slotted tubing with shelves that are fully adjustable
on 25mm spacings with the frames bolted to the walls.

So is there anything holding up the shelf apart from at the back?

Wrong, I said it's a RECTANGULAR frame, so the is one vertical at the
back of the shelf and another at the front at the front of the shelf.

So real shelves, not this floating ****.

Yep, but floating shelves work fine in some situations.

Something needs to hold the weight at the front of the shelf,

Yes, but the rods sticking out of the wall do that.

or immense forces appear at the back.

Nothing immense about it. That other one
you were shown will hold a 100lb weight fine.

But the leverage. Hold a car battery at arms length with no support under your arm.

On Fri, 17 May 2019 09:04:33 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote

I hate them.

I dont actually use them much, but thats because I prefer proper
floor to ceiling shelves. I dont even have a floating shelf for the
shower because I have a window ledge just out of the shower.

Brian prefers you reply at the top.

I have freestanding dexion shelves in the garage, several shelves in the house made of wood and proper mitred supports, and in the bathroom normal little glass shelves with proper attachments which aren't invisible and can take weight.

So often they are not tight and slide out leaving stickyout rods that are
invisible until you bump into one :-)

Yeah, obviously can be a problem for the blind.

Or anyone, as the stuff on the shelf is now on the floor broken into pieces.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote
I've put up my own shelves with proper brackets. But I see these
"floating shelves" advertised. I thought, "What's holding them up?"

There is usually rods that go into the wall. Can be a bit fiddly to
get them in the right place so they slide into the shelf properly.
Apparently there's no right angle involved, just a screw going straight
into the back of the shelf out of the wall. How can that possibly
support anything?

It's a decent sized pair of rods that stick out of the wall
that slide into holes in the shelves with most of them.