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Default Double-sided, through-wall outlet boxes - don't exist?

I'm installing a couple ceiling fans in adjacent roons and was going to
install the switch controls on opposite sides of the same wall, at the
same location.

I'm thinking there is, of course, such a thing as a two-sided,
through-wall outlet box. Because 2x4's and drywall are standardized
enough so you can make a box that will work for this application -right?

I do some web-searching and come across some post in some DYI forum from
10+ years ago where someone is asking the same question, and no, for
some reason there is no such box.

I also come across this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7XdoBnKjU

Seems to be a video made by someone who patented a through-wall
double-sided box. Really? A patent for the obvious?

It's crazy that these don't exist.

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On 5/16/19 8:56 AM, Home Guy wrote:
I'm installing a couple ceiling fans in adjacent roons and was going to install the switch controls on opposite sides of the same wall, at the same location.

I'm thinking there is, of course, such a thing as a two-sided, through-wall outlet box.* Because 2x4's and drywall are standardized enough so you can make a box that will work for this application -right?

I do some web-searching and come across some post in some DYI forum from 10+ years ago where someone is asking the same question, and no, for some reason there is no such box.

I also come across this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7XdoBnKjU

Seems to be a video made by someone who patented a through-wall double-sided box.* Really?* A patent for the obvious?

It's crazy that these don't exist.



I like the idea but...

Wire fill limits?

Would there be enough depth for two back-to-back switches?

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Default Double-sided, through-wall outlet boxes - don't exist?

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:08:33 AM UTC-4, Biff Tannen wrote:
On 5/16/19 8:56 AM, Home Guy wrote:
I'm installing a couple ceiling fans in adjacent roons and was going to install the switch controls on opposite sides of the same wall, at the same location.

I'm thinking there is, of course, such a thing as a two-sided, through-wall outlet box.* Because 2x4's and drywall are standardized enough so you can make a box that will work for this application -right?

I do some web-searching and come across some post in some DYI forum from 10+ years ago where someone is asking the same question, and no, for some reason there is no such box.

I also come across this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7XdoBnKjU

Seems to be a video made by someone who patented a through-wall double-sided box.* Really?* A patent for the obvious?

It's crazy that these don't exist.



I like the idea but...

Wire fill limits?

Would there be enough depth for two back-to-back switches?


Probably. 3.5+.5+.5=4.5. I think a switch is ~1.5", a regular box is 3"
deep, so you'd gain 1.5" of depth, but then you also have another switch
which takes up that space. Sounds like two switches with the associated
wiring with about the same empty space as a one switch box.



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On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:29:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:08:33 AM UTC-4, Biff Tannen wrote:
On 5/16/19 8:56 AM, Home Guy wrote:
I'm installing a couple ceiling fans in adjacent roons and was going to install the switch controls on opposite sides of the same wall, at the same location.

I'm thinking there is, of course, such a thing as a two-sided, through-wall outlet box.* Because 2x4's and drywall are standardized enough so you can make a box that will work for this application -right?

I do some web-searching and come across some post in some DYI forum from 10+ years ago where someone is asking the same question, and no, for some reason there is no such box.

I also come across this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7XdoBnKjU

Seems to be a video made by someone who patented a through-wall double-sided box.* Really?* A patent for the obvious?

It's crazy that these don't exist.



I like the idea but...

Wire fill limits?

Would there be enough depth for two back-to-back switches?


Probably. 3.5+.5+.5=4.5. I think a switch is ~1.5", a regular box is 3"
deep, so you'd gain 1.5" of depth, but then you also have another switch
which takes up that space. Sounds like two switches with the associated
wiring with about the same empty space as a one switch box.


That didn't come out quite right. I was focused on the "wire fill limits?"
and by "probably" I meant there probably is a wire fill limit problem, as per
the math.






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On 5/16/2019 8:56 AM, Home Guy wrote:
I'm installing a couple ceiling fans in adjacent roons and was going to
install the switch controls on opposite sides of the same wall, at the
same location.

I'm thinking there is, of course, such a thing as a two-sided,
through-wall outlet box.* Because 2x4's and drywall are standardized
enough so you can make a box that will work for this application -right?



It's crazy that these don't exist.


Yeah, he could have sold one to you. For an electrician it is just
another thing to have with little value. Boxes are cheap, easy to
install and a single box has more room than a back to back double.

Look around your house and most others and you will there are few places
it could be used.


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On 5/16/2019 10:39 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/16/2019 8:56 AM, Home Guy wrote:
I'm installing a couple ceiling fans in adjacent roons and was going
to install the switch controls on opposite sides of the same wall, at
the same location.

I'm thinking there is, of course, such a thing as a two-sided,
through-wall outlet box.* Because 2x4's and drywall are standardized
enough so you can make a box that will work for this application -right?



It's crazy that these don't exist.


Yeah, he could have sold one to you.* For an electrician it is just
another thing to have with little value.* Boxes are cheap, easy to
install and a single box has more room than a back to back double.

Look around your house and most others and you will there are few places
it could be used.


Agreed. Additionally, if an electrician is installing in a per-existing
wall, he'd need to cut away much of the wall as opposed to a simple
opening for a single gang box.
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 06:31:44 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:29:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:08:33 AM UTC-4, Biff Tannen wrote:
On 5/16/19 8:56 AM, Home Guy wrote:
I'm installing a couple ceiling fans in adjacent roons and was going to install the switch controls on opposite sides of the same wall, at the same location.

I'm thinking there is, of course, such a thing as a two-sided, through-wall outlet box.* Because 2x4's and drywall are standardized enough so you can make a box that will work for this application -right?

I do some web-searching and come across some post in some DYI forum from 10+ years ago where someone is asking the same question, and no, for some reason there is no such box.

I also come across this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7XdoBnKjU

Seems to be a video made by someone who patented a through-wall double-sided box.* Really?* A patent for the obvious?

It's crazy that these don't exist.


I like the idea but...

Wire fill limits?

Would there be enough depth for two back-to-back switches?


Probably. 3.5+.5+.5=4.5. I think a switch is ~1.5", a regular box is 3"
deep, so you'd gain 1.5" of depth, but then you also have another switch
which takes up that space. Sounds like two switches with the associated
wiring with about the same empty space as a one switch box.


That didn't come out quite right. I was focused on the "wire fill limits?"
and by "probably" I meant there probably is a wire fill limit problem, as per
the math.


A 2x4x4.5 (3.5" of wood and an inch of drywall) is 36 cu/in and that
would support a wire count of 16 14 ga "wires" and 14 12 ga "wires".
2 devices eat 4 of those "wires" and the grounds all eat a total of 1.
that gives you 9 #12s or 11 # 14s. That should be plenty.

A possible reason the building/fire code. They really want to maintain
that 15 minute rating you get with drywall. In fact some jurisdictions
get funny about having boxes in the same bay serving opposite sides of
the wall, depending on the requirement.

You could always make this box you want by ganging three 1.5"
extension rings together.
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 08:56:15 -0400, Home Guy wrote:

I'm installing a couple ceiling fans in adjacent roons and was going to
install the switch controls on opposite sides of the same wall, at the
same location.

I'm thinking there is, of course, such a thing as a two-sided,
through-wall outlet box. Because 2x4's and drywall are standardized
enough so you can make a box that will work for this application -right?

I do some web-searching and come across some post in some DYI forum from
10+ years ago where someone is asking the same question, and no, for
some reason there is no such box.

I also come across this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7XdoBnKjU

Seems to be a video made by someone who patented a through-wall
double-sided box. Really? A patent for the obvious?

It's crazy that these don't exist.

They could never pas UL inspection requirements as they would not be
able to contain any fire caused inside the box by a defect.
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 22:48:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 08:56:15 -0400, Home Guy wrote:

I'm installing a couple ceiling fans in adjacent roons and was going to
install the switch controls on opposite sides of the same wall, at the
same location.

I'm thinking there is, of course, such a thing as a two-sided,
through-wall outlet box. Because 2x4's and drywall are standardized
enough so you can make a box that will work for this application -right?

I do some web-searching and come across some post in some DYI forum from
10+ years ago where someone is asking the same question, and no, for
some reason there is no such box.

I also come across this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7XdoBnKjU

Seems to be a video made by someone who patented a through-wall
double-sided box. Really? A patent for the obvious?

It's crazy that these don't exist.

They could never pas UL inspection requirements as they would not be
able to contain any fire caused inside the box by a defect.


I never heard that one. If there is a listed cover on both sides, why
not?
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On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 7:54:13 AM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:
I'm installing a couple ceiling fans in adjacent roons and was going to
install the switch controls on opposite sides of the same wall, at the
same location.

I'm thinking there is, of course, such a thing as a two-sided,
through-wall outlet box. Because 2x4's and drywall are standardized
enough so you can make a box that will work for this application -right?

I do some web-searching and come across some post in some DYI forum from
10+ years ago where someone is asking the same question, and no, for
some reason there is no such box.

I also come across this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7XdoBnKjU

Seems to be a video made by someone who patented a through-wall
double-sided box. Really? A patent for the obvious?

It's crazy that these don't exist.


To hard to see from here what you have or what your codes are but in the Chicago area were everything is in steel I would use two 1900 boxes back to back with drywall plates and a back to back connector ( Rigid Box Spacer )


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