On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 04:46:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:03:30 AM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The U.S. banking system is the dinosaur.

True, weird that the country that invented the credit card
manages to have the crudest card system around even now.

Tho admittedly you don't see to many using those
machines which put the card on a multi sheet piece
of paper and sort of run the handle over the card so
it prints the car details onto the paper slips anymore.

I bet quite a few places still have those under the cash register in
case their computer connection is down.

One giant leap for you lot.

You lot still use checks much more than most now too.

On average, yes. The devil's in the details, though. I write
a check for my property taxes because the township charges a
fee for either credit cards or EFT. Some contractors are
easier to pay with checks. Other than that, I mainly use
credit cards for anything over $10 and cash for anything under $10.
My arbitrary limit. I just feel like a fool whipping out the
plastic for a loaf of bread.

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

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On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:41:20 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 23/02/2019 12:25, wrote:
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 2:08:07 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:29:35 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
micky wrote:

The fancy one that I tried first and last took credit cards, had a

Seriously - a CREDIT CARD SLOT - for a tire air pump?!

This 21st century SUCKS.

Not if you don't bother with coins anymore.

And you don't swipe the card in the slot anymore,
you wave it at the machine, dinosaur.

The U.S. banking system is the dinosaur.

True, weird that the country that invented the credit card
manages to have the crudest card system around even now.

The standard credit card comes with a chip
that must be inserted into the reader,

Most do in fact do contactless now.

Lucky you.

and a magnetic strip for readers than aren't equipped to use the chip.

Ours still do have magnetic strips, but the terminals
now tell you to insert the card so it can read the chip
if you try swiping it. The swipe slot is just there for when
you dinosaurs show up with chipless cards as tourists.

At least for my biased sampling, card readers on gas pumps don't
have a chip reader. Nor do they have any real authentication mechanism,
except for typing in your postal (ZIP) code. Some of them have RFID
readers for the gas station's own brand of credit card, but not for
generic VISA or MasterCard.

No pin. Credit card companies recently decided a signature
is not required, but most merchants still require a signature.

Yeah, weirdly primitive.

The rumor is that they thought Americans were too dumb to learn another
PIN.

The UK has used contactless Debit cards (up to £30) for a few years
now and plastic banknotes.

Question: Has the USA already changed to plastic banknotes?
Nope -and they still have their "pennies" too - and paper dollars.

Here in Canada all bills are "plastic" and only 05, .10, .25, 1.00
and 2.00 coins. No penies and no bills under $5.00

Same in Australia except we have a 20c and 50c coin instead of a 25c coin.

On 23/02/2019 18:16, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:17:43 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 23/02/2019 13:24, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 7:41:24 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 23/02/2019 12:25, wrote:
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 2:08:07 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:29:35 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
micky wrote:

The fancy one that I tried first and last took credit cards, had a

Seriously - a CREDIT CARD SLOT - for a tire air pump?!

This 21st century SUCKS.

Not if you dont bother with coins anymore.

And you dont swipe the card in the slot anymore,
you wave it at the machine, dinosaur.

The U.S. banking system is the dinosaur.

True, weird that the country that invented the credit card
manages to have the crudest card system around even now.

The standard credit card comes with a chip
that must be inserted into the reader,

Most do in fact do contactless now.

Lucky you.

and a magnetic strip for readers than aren't equipped to use the chip.

Ours still do have magnetic strips, but the terminals
now tell you to insert the card so it can read the chip
if you try swiping it. The swipe slot is just there for when
you dinosaurs show up with chipless cards as tourists.

At least for my biased sampling, card readers on gas pumps don't
have a chip reader. Nor do they have any real authentication mechanism,
except for typing in your postal (ZIP) code. Some of them have RFID
readers for the gas station's own brand of credit card, but not for
generic VISA or MasterCard.

No pin. Credit card companies recently decided a signature
is not required, but most merchants still require a signature.

Yeah, weirdly primitive.

The rumor is that they thought Americans were too dumb to learn another
PIN.

Cindy Hamilton

The UK has used contactless Debit cards (up to £30) for a few years
now and plastic banknotes.

Question: Has the USA already changed to plastic banknotes?

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No, I've never seen plastic currency. Last time I was in Europe, maybe
7 years ago, Euros were still all paper too. Must be a bitch to fold.



Lol, indeed.
Actually the "polymer" bills fold just fine and don't wrinkle like a
cheap shirt.

Ours seem to like staying folded :-)

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On 23/02/2019 18:16, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:17:43 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 23/02/2019 13:24, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 7:41:24 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 23/02/2019 12:25, wrote:
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 2:08:07 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:29:35 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed
wrote:
wrote
micky wrote:

The fancy one that I tried first and last took credit cards, had
a

Seriously - a CREDIT CARD SLOT - for a tire air pump?!

This 21st century SUCKS.

Not if you dont bother with coins anymore.

And you dont swipe the card in the slot anymore,
you wave it at the machine, dinosaur.

The U.S. banking system is the dinosaur.

True, weird that the country that invented the credit card
manages to have the crudest card system around even now.

The standard credit card comes with a chip
that must be inserted into the reader,

Most do in fact do contactless now.

Lucky you.

and a magnetic strip for readers than aren't equipped to use the
chip.

Ours still do have magnetic strips, but the terminals
now tell you to insert the card so it can read the chip
if you try swiping it. The swipe slot is just there for when
you dinosaurs show up with chipless cards as tourists.

At least for my biased sampling, card readers on gas pumps don't
have a chip reader. Nor do they have any real authentication
mechanism,
except for typing in your postal (ZIP) code. Some of them have RFID
readers for the gas station's own brand of credit card, but not for
generic VISA or MasterCard.

No pin. Credit card companies recently decided a signature
is not required, but most merchants still require a signature.

Yeah, weirdly primitive.

The rumor is that they thought Americans were too dumb to learn
another
PIN.

Cindy Hamilton

The UK has used contactless Debit cards (up to £30) for a few
years
now and plastic banknotes.

Question: Has the USA already changed to plastic banknotes?

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No, I've never seen plastic currency. Last time I was in Europe, maybe
7 years ago, Euros were still all paper too. Must be a bitch to fold.



Lol, indeed.
Actually the "polymer" bills fold just fine and don't wrinkle like a
cheap shirt.

Ours seem to like staying folded :-)

So do the plastic ones.

On 2/23/2019 1:29 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 04:46:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:03:30 AM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The U.S. banking system is the dinosaur.

True, weird that the country that invented the credit card
manages to have the crudest card system around even now.

Tho admittedly you don't see to many using those
machines which put the card on a multi sheet piece
of paper and sort of run the handle over the card so
it prints the car details onto the paper slips anymore.

I bet quite a few places still have those under the cash register in
case their computer connection is down.

One giant leap for you lot.

You lot still use checks much more than most now too.

On average, yes. The devil's in the details, though. I write
a check for my property taxes because the township charges a
fee for either credit cards or EFT. Some contractors are
easier to pay with checks. Other than that, I mainly use
credit cards for anything over $10 and cash for anything under $10.
My arbitrary limit. I just feel like a fool whipping out the
plastic for a loaf of bread.

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.


Not every store is like that. At Market Basket you have to wait until
the order is checked out to put your card in.. Just seems so ancient
and inefficient.

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:29:04 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 04:46:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:03:30 AM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The U.S. banking system is the dinosaur.

True, weird that the country that invented the credit card
manages to have the crudest card system around even now.

Tho admittedly you don't see to many using those
machines which put the card on a multi sheet piece
of paper and sort of run the handle over the card so
it prints the car details onto the paper slips anymore.

I bet quite a few places still have those under the cash register in
case their computer connection is down.

One giant leap for you lot.

You lot still use checks much more than most now too.

On average, yes. The devil's in the details, though. I write
a check for my property taxes because the township charges a
fee for either credit cards or EFT. Some contractors are
easier to pay with checks. Other than that, I mainly use
credit cards for anything over $10 and cash for anything under $10.
My arbitrary limit. I just feel like a fool whipping out the
plastic for a loaf of bread.

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.
Ain't that the sad truth!!!

On 23/02/2019 18:49, Rod Speed wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
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On 23/02/2019 18:16, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:17:43 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 23/02/2019 13:24, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 7:41:24 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 23/02/2019 12:25, wrote:
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 2:08:07 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:29:35 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed
wrote:
wrote
micky wrote:

The fancy one that I tried first and last took credit cards,
had a

Seriously - a CREDIT CARD SLOT - for a tire air pump?!

This 21st century SUCKS.

Not if you dont bother with coins anymore.

And you dont swipe the card in the slot anymore,
you wave it at the machine, dinosaur.

The U.S. banking system is the dinosaur.

True, weird that the country that invented the credit card
manages to have the crudest card system around even now.

The standard credit card comes with a chip
that must be inserted into the reader,

Most do in fact do contactless now.

Lucky you.

and a magnetic strip for readers than aren't equipped to use
the chip.

Ours still do have magnetic strips, but the terminals
now tell you to insert the card so it can read the chip
if you try swiping it. The swipe slot is just there for when
you dinosaurs show up with chipless cards as tourists.

At least for my biased sampling, card readers on gas pumps don't
have a chip reader.Â* Nor do they have any real authentication
mechanism,
except for typing in your postal (ZIP) code.Â* Some of them have RFID
readers for the gas station's own brand of credit card, but not for
generic VISA or MasterCard.

No pin.Â* Credit card companies recently decided a signature
is not required, but most merchants still require a signature.

Yeah, weirdly primitive.

The rumor is that they thought Americans were too dumb to learn
another
PIN.

Cindy Hamilton

Â*Â* The UK has used contactless Debit cards (up to £30) for a few
years
now and plastic banknotes.

Question: Has the USA already changed to plastic banknotes?

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No, I've never seen plastic currency.Â* Last time I was in Europe,
maybe
7 years ago, Euros were still all paper too.Â* Must be a bitch to fold.



Lol, indeed.
Â*Â* Actually the "polymer" bills fold just fine and don't wrinkle like a
cheap shirt.

Ours seem to like staying folded :-)

So do the plastic ones.


Ours are plastic.

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On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:57:53 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/23/2019 1:29 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 04:46:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:03:30 AM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The U.S. banking system is the dinosaur.

True, weird that the country that invented the credit card
manages to have the crudest card system around even now.

Tho admittedly you don't see to many using those
machines which put the card on a multi sheet piece
of paper and sort of run the handle over the card so
it prints the car details onto the paper slips anymore.

I bet quite a few places still have those under the cash register in
case their computer connection is down.

One giant leap for you lot.

You lot still use checks much more than most now too.

On average, yes. The devil's in the details, though. I write
a check for my property taxes because the township charges a
fee for either credit cards or EFT. Some contractors are
easier to pay with checks. Other than that, I mainly use
credit cards for anything over $10 and cash for anything under $10.
My arbitrary limit. I just feel like a fool whipping out the
plastic for a loaf of bread.

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.


Not every store is like that. At Market Basket you have to wait until
the order is checked out to put your card in.. Just seems so ancient
and inefficient.

Talking about being occupied with the CC thing, years ago I used one of
those DIY checkouts at a local supermarket. It was the kind that had a
belt that takes the stuff away to further away from you, by the bags
While I was working scanning
and then paying, someone took one of the items I had just paid for!
I don't remember what it was, it wasn't super expensive, but not just
a buck or two either. The supermarket replaced it for me. I have to
think whoever did it knew what they were doing too, that it wasn't an
accident.

On 02/23/2019 11:15 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 04:49:07 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 7:41:07 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 10:26:52 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 15:04:32 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 4:24:59 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:37:44 -0500, gm wrote:

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 06:11:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 8:28:42 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Angelica... wrote: "
I disagree. Installation and maintenance of the equipment for filling
tires costs money.

Of course, the gas station could offer free air as a marketing ploy.

Cindy Hamilton "

Then explain why air for tires at stations was free going
back to almost the second world war. What changed during
the last 15 years?

More than 15 years, I think. I can't recall when air was free.

My guess would be that margins at gas stations have gotten
very slim. They make most of their money on the crap they
sell in the convenience store. It's a way to make a little
money from people who don't buy the Big Gulp.

Cindy Hamilton

I bet you will find these are usually installed and serviced by a 3d
party. The mechanic at the old time gas station could usually keep
them running but the 3d world cashier at the mini mart can barely run
the cash register.
Nor can the spoiled white boy or for that matter half the
politicians in the country, regardless of political affiliation.

Leave color out of it, Clare! Blue skin, white skin, black, orange, polka dots - we're all living beings! Our **** all smells the same - like ****.

We're talking about something that a LOT of us grew up with - free air at most garages and some fuel-only stations, during their operating hours.
"I" didn't bring up color. Some other a-hole said "the 3d world
cashier at the mini mart can barely run the cash register. " and I
just corrected him sayin pretty much what you said - color has
nothing to do with it. Don't get your knickers in a knot.

In some cases, color has a lot to do with it. For example, used to be
that you could take a cab ride in NYC

There's your first mistake.

Cindy Hamilton
You sayin' if you want a cab ride to the bronx you're likely to end
up somewhere in Jersey???


Nah, the cabbie got to the Bronx but he might as well have been in
Patterson for all he knew. I believe there used to an exam to show basic
competence with the local streets but in NYC I don't know if that went
beyond the borough in question.

On 02/23/2019 11:16 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
Actually the "polymer" bills fold just fine and don't wrinkle like a
cheap shirt.

Any problem with solvents?

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:49:26 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

Lol, indeed.
Actually the "polymer" bills fold just fine and don't wrinkle like a
cheap shirt.

Ours seem to like staying folded :-)

So do the plastic ones.

The senile Ozzietard missed the point, again! LOL

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On 2/23/2019 2:34 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/23/2019 11:16 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
* Actually the "polymer" bills fold just fine and don't wrinkle like a
cheap shirt.

Any problem with solvents?

Googles says polypropylene is used which would not be a problem.

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:33:43 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


Here in Canada all bills are "plastic" and only 05, .10, .25, 1.00
and 2.00 coins. No penies and no bills under $5.00

Same in Australia except we have a 20c and 50c coin instead of a 25c coin.

So NOT the same, senile idiot! tsk

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On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

However, if I just stop in for one thing that I unexpectedly ran out of
(or don't have when I've decided to try some unusual recipe), I usually
pay cash.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/23/2019 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

However, if I just stop in for one thing that I unexpectedly ran out of
(or don't have when I've decided to try some unusual recipe), I usually
pay cash.

Cindy Hamilton

Coupons should make no difference, The charge should not go until the
sale is complete.

On 2/22/19 10:29 AM, wrote:
I used that m-app you linked to. I think the difference
is that I live in CT

I believe the law here in CT is that gas stations and
convenience stores that have air pumps must offer the air
free during normal business hours.

And... gas stations and convenience stores DO "have" air pumps.
But... try and find one that works, or has an air chuck
that's not broken.
Hint: you're most likely to find a working pump at a place
where English is the native language for the owners/workers.

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On Sat, 23 Feb 2019, "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" wrote:
On 2/19/2019 4:08 PM, micky wrote:
Whatever happened to the gas station air outlets where there was a red
box on a thick post with a crank on the side that let you set the air
pressure in big numbers, and it rang as the air went in and stopped
ringing when the tire was at the indicated pressure?

Do they still have these. I couldnt' find one.

One or two of my tires needed air.

One or two? How did you finally work that out?
LOL

I carry a bicycle floor pump in my van. It has
a head that contains both Schrader valve size
and Presta valve size. It has a built-in pressure
gauge. From time to time I get a low tire warning
light in my van so I use the floor pump to inflate
the tires to the proper pressure and the warning
light extinguishes. 45 psi for the back tires and
40 psi for the front tires.

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On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

However, if I just stop in for one thing that I unexpectedly ran out of
(or don't have when I've decided to try some unusual recipe), I usually
pay cash.

Mad, it makes more sense to use the card or the phone for
everything and not have to bother with cash at all, ever.

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:37:33 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

Mad,

You indeed are, you 85-year-old, obnoxious, senile troll!

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In article ,
says...

Mad, it makes more sense to use the card or the phone for
everything and not have to bother with cash at all, ever.




I almost always use a card as they give back some money. Anywhere from
1 to 5 percent.

I almost hate it when I go to Lowes and buy only a 5 or 10 dollar item
and put it on a card for that month. Then they have to send me a bill
by mail. I pay by electronic banking. Probably costs them more for the
letter than the profit they may make.


About the only thing I pay for in cash is the tips at food places or
places that will not take a card. There is a restraunt I often go to
that will not take a card.They only take checks or cash.

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
says...

Mad, it makes more sense to use the card or the phone for
everything and not have to bother with cash at all, ever.

I almost always use a card as they give back
some money. Anywhere from 1 to 5 percent.

We get very little of that, because our merchant fees are
MUCH lower than yours. Same in the rest of the world too.

I almost hate it when I go to Lowes and buy only
a 5 or 10 dollar item and put it on a card for that
month. Then they have to send me a bill by mail.

Hardly any of ours send the bill by mail anymore.

I pay by electronic banking.

I get the card paid off in full completely automatically
every month, from the account in a different bank that
pays the best interest rate I can find in the country.

Probably costs them more for the
letter than the profit they may make.

Likely,, but most would spend more.

About the only thing I pay for in cash is the tips at food places

I pay with the phone everywhere now.

or places that will not take a card.

None of ours do that anymore. Some refuse cash
even with very small transactions like coffee.

There is a restraunt I often go to that will
not take a card.They only take checks or cash.

None of ours like that and some refuse cash now.
Very few will accept checks anymore.

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Speed blabbered, again:



We

"We", AGAIN??? There's no "we" for you, you obnoxious quarrelsome senile
pest! It's the VERY reason why you NEED to troll on Usenet, as people there
can't as easily get away from you as they do in real life!

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On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:20:12 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

Why don't you give them the coupons first. The register remembers what
coupons you enter and what you bought, no matter what order they were
presented, same for Bogos and other matched items.

On 2/23/19 4:46 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

[snip]

I almost hate it when I go to Lowes and buy only a 5 or 10 dollar item
and put it on a card for that month. Then they have to send me a bill
by mail. I pay by electronic banking. Probably costs them more for the
letter than the profit they may make.

The smallest amount I've ever put on a credit card is $1.07 when I
bought a root beer float at Sonic. There was a CC reader right there and
it was outside at my car, so making change would be awkward.

BTW, it would be much simpler if it was exactly a dollar (instead of 99
cents with tax).

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¤ On Sat, 23 Feb 2019, "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" wrote:
¤ On 2/19/2019 4:08 PM, micky wrote:
¤ Whatever happened to the gas station air outlets where there was a red
¤ box on a thick post with a crank on the side that let you set the air
¤ pressure in big numbers, and it rang as the air went in and stopped
¤ ringing when the tire was at the indicated pressure?
¤
¤ Do they still have these. I couldnt' find one.
¤
¤ One or two of my tires needed air.
¤
¤ One or two? How did you finally work that out?
¤ LOL
¤
¤ I carry a bicycle floor pump in my van. It has
¤ a head that contains both Schrader valve size
¤ and Presta valve size. It has a built-in pressure
¤ gauge. From time to time I get a low tire warning
¤ light in my van so I use the floor pump to inflate
¤ the tires to the proper pressure and the warning
¤ light extinguishes. 45 psi for the back tires and
¤ 40 psi for the front tires.

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On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:34:33 -0700, rbowman
wrote:

On 02/23/2019 11:16 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
Actually the "polymer" bills fold just fine and don't wrinkle like a
cheap shirt.

Any problem with solvents?
None you are going to have in your pockets -

Amyl Acetate, Amyl Chloride, and high octane av gas . carbon
tet,gasoline and chlorophorm have mild effects - at high temperatiure
chloroform will damage them - as will things like nitric acid.

A LOT more chemically resistant than cotton rag paper on the whole

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 6:09:00 PM UTC-6, micky wrote:
Whatever happened to the gas station air outlets where there was a red
box on a thick post with a crank on the side that let you set the air
pressure in big numbers, and it rang as the air went in and stopped
ringing when the tire was at the indicated pressure?

Do they still have these. I couldnt' find one.

One or two of my tires needed air. Paid 1.50 last week at a fancy one
that took credit cards and beeped when the pressure one chooses is
reached. Nothing came out. Convenience store gave me back my 1.50. 3
days later, device has "Out of Order" sign on it. Today no sign but a
guy just starting to vacuum his car. Went to another station, no
controls on the device, just a slot for 4 quarters and one of those
nozzles that tell the pressure on a brass rod that pops out of the valve
when you stop squeezing the lever. Cloudy day, won't be able to see
what it says, don't like having to stop over and over to see what the
pressure is, go to next station. Same device. 3 more stations, all
have the same device.

Back to the first station, no one ahead of me Put in 1.50, set the dial
to 40. Do a little bit and the dial keeps going back to 32, the
default (doesn't beep when it does that). Set it to 40, still don't
hear air going into the tire, don't see tire firming up.

Finally go home and do it with a Black & Decker pump, that I got used.
Took 10 or 15 minutes but at least it worked.

There are still a few around.

Many stopped offering free air because people were running over the hose costing money to repair.

Andy

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:20:12 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

Why don't you give them the coupons first. The register remembers what
coupons you enter and what you bought, no matter what order they were
presented, same for Bogos and other matched items.

The register won't take the coupon until the item is scanned. It's
much easier to wait until the end and then process all the coupons
at once, rather than to watch the scanning and present the coupon
after the item is scanned.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 3:44:26 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/23/2019 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

However, if I just stop in for one thing that I unexpectedly ran out of
(or don't have when I've decided to try some unusual recipe), I usually
pay cash.

Cindy Hamilton

Coupons should make no difference, The charge should not go until the
sale is complete.

The sale is complete when the cashier presses "enter". If he's
forgotten to scan the coupons, then I have to go to the service desk
with my receipt and coupons.

No signature or other authentication is required at my grocery store.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 8:21:10 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 3:44:26 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/23/2019 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

However, if I just stop in for one thing that I unexpectedly ran out of
(or don't have when I've decided to try some unusual recipe), I usually
pay cash.

Cindy Hamilton

Coupons should make no difference, The charge should not go until the
sale is complete.

The sale is complete when the cashier presses "enter". If he's
forgotten to scan the coupons, then I have to go to the service desk
with my receipt and coupons.

No signature or other authentication is required at my grocery store.

Cindy Hamilton

That's how it works here too, coupons come at the end. The store discounts
with the store shopper card come off as the item is scanned, as long as you
have given them the card at the beginning. Then coupons come off at the end.
I recently had what you're talking about happen for the first time. The
cashier didn't take off a coupon. I didn't catch it until I had left the
checkout, so I had to go to the service desk. I wondered what they would do,
as I had no proof I had given the coupon, though it would still be in the
bag the cashier puts it in. It was just for a buck or two, they just gave
me the cash, no investigation.

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:19:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:20:12 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

Why don't you give them the coupons first. The register remembers what
coupons you enter and what you bought, no matter what order they were
presented, same for Bogos and other matched items.

The register won't take the coupon until the item is scanned. It's
much easier to wait until the end and then process all the coupons
at once, rather than to watch the scanning and present the coupon
after the item is scanned.

Cindy Hamilton

There is no hardware/software reason why that is true, at least not in
the supermarket POS systems IBM sold. That was one of the selling
points. It may just be a store policy. Obviously if you didn't buy the
product, the coupon goes in the bit bucket.

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 12:58:33 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:19:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:20:12 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

Why don't you give them the coupons first. The register remembers what
coupons you enter and what you bought, no matter what order they were
presented, same for Bogos and other matched items.

The register won't take the coupon until the item is scanned. It's
much easier to wait until the end and then process all the coupons
at once, rather than to watch the scanning and present the coupon
after the item is scanned.

Cindy Hamilton

There is no hardware/software reason why that is true, at least not in
the supermarket POS systems IBM sold. That was one of the selling
points. It may just be a store policy. Obviously if you didn't buy the
product, the coupon goes in the bit bucket.

Perhaps this is not an IBM POS system. The thing simply refuses a coupon
if the corresponding item has not already been scanned.

It probably saves trouble from people who didn't get the discount to which
they thought they were entitled. I get quite a few that say "50 cents off
two". If I only bought one, the POS system rejects the coupon, and I do
a facepalm.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 2:00:21 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 12:58:33 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:19:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:20:12 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

Why don't you give them the coupons first. The register remembers what
coupons you enter and what you bought, no matter what order they were
presented, same for Bogos and other matched items.

The register won't take the coupon until the item is scanned. It's
much easier to wait until the end and then process all the coupons
at once, rather than to watch the scanning and present the coupon
after the item is scanned.

Cindy Hamilton

There is no hardware/software reason why that is true, at least not in
the supermarket POS systems IBM sold. That was one of the selling
points. It may just be a store policy. Obviously if you didn't buy the
product, the coupon goes in the bit bucket.

Perhaps this is not an IBM POS system. The thing simply refuses a coupon
if the corresponding item has not already been scanned.

It probably saves trouble from people who didn't get the discount to which
they thought they were entitled. I get quite a few that say "50 cents off
two". If I only bought one, the POS system rejects the coupon, and I do
a facepalm.

Cindy Hamilton

That would be my theory too. They just hold the coupons until the end to
apply them, one by one and see if they are accepted. And when they aren't
I'm usually the one next in line when the whole thing stalls, waiting for
a manager.

I told the story in another thread, where some lady in her sixties ahead of
me shut the line down. She bought a steak that cost $12.55 that had 30%
or whatever off for folks with the store card. The register showed it as
$12.55, followed by -$3.65 or whatever. She kept going round and round
asking where it showed how much the steak cost, while the cashier kept
saying, it's right here, $12.55 minus $3.65. Manager to register six!
This supermarket has been doing it the same way for decades, others do
the same thing. She's probably mad that she got a smaller tax refund this
year, never mind that she paid less in taxes. Some days IDK how the country
survives, we probably are nearing the end.

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 3:50:35 PM UTC-5, J.Albert wrote:
On 2/22/19 10:29 AM, wrote:
I used that m-app you linked to. I think the difference
is that I live in CT

I believe the law here in CT is that gas stations and
convenience stores that have air pumps must offer the air
free during normal business hours.


What's next, a law they have to give free maps and cookies and wash
your windshield?





And... gas stations and convenience stores DO "have" air pumps.

Most gas stations do, but not all. And convenience stores here in NJ,
I don't recall seeing one with air unless they also sell gas.



But... try and find one that works, or has an air chuck
that's not broken.

Yep, said that the other day. Many times the little rubber seal in the
end of the chuck is shot or gone and it just spews air. You can leave
with less air than you started with. Back when Hess still had stations,
there was one here like that, useless to even try to use it. It was like
that for many months.



Hint: you're most likely to find a working pump at a place
where English is the native language for the owners/workers.

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On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 2:00:21 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 12:58:33 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:19:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:20:12 -0800 (PST),

wrote:

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-5,
wrote:

I use my CC at the grocery store for everything but they are
smart
enough to let you stick the card in as soon as the first item is
scanned and it is usually stored before they get the first item
in the
bag. You can put the card away. We also don't sign. The card is
faster
than watching them make change.

Mine is the same way, except that if I have coupons, I don't stick
the
card in until the coupons have been processed. It's a hassle to
have that
corrected after the total is sent to the bank.

Why don't you give them the coupons first. The register remembers
what
coupons you enter and what you bought, no matter what order they
were
presented, same for Bogos and other matched items.

The register won't take the coupon until the item is scanned. It's
much easier to wait until the end and then process all the coupons
at once, rather than to watch the scanning and present the coupon
after the item is scanned.

Cindy Hamilton

There is no hardware/software reason why that is true, at least not in
the supermarket POS systems IBM sold. That was one of the selling
points. It may just be a store policy. Obviously if you didn't buy the
product, the coupon goes in the bit bucket.

Perhaps this is not an IBM POS system. The thing simply refuses a coupon
if the corresponding item has not already been scanned.

It probably saves trouble from people who didn't get the discount to
which
they thought they were entitled. I get quite a few that say "50 cents
off
two". If I only bought one, the POS system rejects the coupon, and I do
a facepalm.

Cindy Hamilton

That would be my theory too. They just hold the coupons until the end to
apply them, one by one and see if they are accepted. And when they aren't
I'm usually the one next in line when the whole thing stalls, waiting for
a manager.

I told the story in another thread, where some lady in her sixties ahead
of
me shut the line down. She bought a steak that cost $12.55 that had 30%
or whatever off for folks with the store card. The register showed it as
$12.55, followed by -$3.65 or whatever. She kept going round and round
asking where it showed how much the steak cost, while the cashier kept
saying, it's right here, $12.55 minus $3.65. Manager to register six!
This supermarket has been doing it the same way for decades, others do
the same thing. She's probably mad that she got a smaller tax refund this
year, never mind that she paid less in taxes.

Some days IDK how the country survives,

Because those fools are irrelevant to survival.

we probably are nearing the end.

Even sillier than you usually manage, and thats saying something.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 08:19:16 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:



Some days IDK how the country survives,

Because those fools are irrelevant to survival.

Indeed you are, you irrelevant bigmouthed senile fool!

we probably are nearing the end.

Even sillier than you usually manage, and that¢s saying something.

An even sillier troll from you than you usually manage, senile Rot, and
that's saying something!

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about senile Rot Speed:
"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
MID:

On 2/24/19 7:21 AM, wrote:

[snip]

The sale is complete when the cashier presses "enter". If he's
forgotten to scan the coupons, then I have to go to the service desk
with my receipt and coupons.

They expect me to do that, when it's usually easier to save the coupons
for next time.

No signature or other authentication is required at my grocery store.

Not here either. It seems to have been a long time since I was asked to
sign when using a CC.

Cindy Hamilton


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are invented nonsense." Robert A. Heinlein. Contributed by Larry Reyka.

On 02/24/2019 12:00 PM, wrote:
It probably saves trouble from people who didn't get the discount to which
they thought they were entitled. I get quite a few that say "50 cents off
two". If I only bought one, the POS system rejects the coupon, and I do
a facepalm.

I did one of those last summer. Albertson's has a lot of items that are
marked 5 for $5 or similar. Although occasionally it will say 'must buy
5' it usually means 1 for $1. A convenience store had Monster tagged as
2 for $3. When I asked about being charged $2 for 1 she pointed out the
literal meaning. Being me, I said screw it and drove on.

On 2/24/19 8:06 AM, trader_4 wrote:

[snip]

That's how it works here too, coupons come at the end. The store discounts
with the store shopper card come off as the item is scanned, as long as you
have given them the card at the beginning. Then coupons come off at the end.

It's like that at the Kroger I go to too.

I recently had what you're talking about happen for the first time. The
cashier didn't take off a coupon. I didn't catch it until I had left the
checkout, so I had to go to the service desk. I wondered what they would do,
as I had no proof I had given the coupon, though it would still be in the
bag the cashier puts it in. It was just for a buck or two, they just gave
me the cash, no investigation.

One day recently I bought a $2 candy bar at that grocery store. When the
checker finished she put my groceries in the same cart I was using in
the store. After getting home, I found out that candy bar had not been
checked. Some may not believe it, but I went back to the store (about a
mile away) and paid for that candy bar. I like that store, and maybe I
wanted to be different.

--
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http://notstupid.us/

"Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other "sins"
are invented nonsense." Robert A. Heinlein. Contributed by Larry Reyka.

On 2/24/2019 7:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/24/2019 12:00 PM, wrote:
It probably saves trouble from people who didn't get the discount to
which
they thought they were entitled.Â* I get quite a few that say "50 cents
off
two".Â* If I only bought one, the POS system rejects the coupon, and I do
a facepalm.

I did one of those last summer. Albertson's has a lot of items that are
marked 5 for $5 or similar. Although occasionally it will say 'must buy
5' it usually means 1 for $1. A convenience store had Monster tagged as
2 for $3. When I asked about being charged $2 for 1 she pointed out the
literal meaning. Being me, I said screw it and drove on.



Reminds me that drug store often has BOGO sales. A couple of times
there was only one of the item I wanted to buy. I would take it to the
cash register and tell them that the only item available was the free
one. Never got one for free but always got half off.