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Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY

Thu, 02/14/2019 - 23:49

Update 4: Former Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein took some time off
from his retirement bliss to offer his two cents on Thursday's Amazon
news, blasting progressive dems like AOC for being "anti-progress" and
also "anti-democratic".

After killing Amazon's NYC HQ, not sure some progressive democrats
deserve either title. This move was both anti-progress (negative for
development and tech jobs) and anti-democratic (polls show 70% of NYers
were in favor). Victory lap for them, not for NYC. #AmazonHQ2
— Lloyd Blankfein (@lloydblankfein) February 14, 2019

Their cheering at Amazon's pull-out is a "victory lap for them" and
their narrow political interests, not for the people of New York.

* * *

Update 3: After more than two hours of radio silence, Gov. Andrew Cuomo,
who swooped in to take credit for the deal after it was announced late
last year, has issued a statement on Amazon's decision...and as one
might have expected, he didn't hesitate to take a few shots at the
Democrats on his left flank whom Amazon has blamed for sabotaging the deal.

Offering a counter-narrative to AOC, Cuomo blamed Democrats in the state
senate for sabotaging a deal that "poll after poll" showed was
"overwhelmingly supported" by New Yorkers. These lawmakers "put their
own narrow political interests above their community" and lost what
would have been a great economic boon "not just for New York City, but
for the entire region." They also squandered an opportunity to
"diversify our economy away from real estate and Wall Street."

"Amazon chose to come to New York because we are the capital of the
world and the best place to do business. We competed in and won the most
hotly contested national economic development competition in the United
States, resulting in at least 25,000-40,000 good paying jobs for our
state and nearly $30 billion dollars in new revenue to fund transit
improvements, new housing, schools and countless other quality of life
improvements. Bringing Amazon to New York diversified our economy away
from real estate and Wall Street, further cementing our status as an
emerging center for tech and was an extraordinary economic win not just
for Queens and New York City, but for the entire region, from Long
Island to Albany's nanotech center."

"However, a small group politicians put their own narrow political
interests above their community - which poll after poll showed
overwhelmingly supported bringing Amazon to Long Island City - the
state's economic future and the best interests of the people of this
state. The New York State Senate has done tremendous damage. They should
be held accountable for this lost economic opportunity."

"The fundamentals of New York's business climate and community that
attracted amazon to be here - our talent pool, world-class education
system, commitment to diversity and progressivism - remain and we won't
be deterred as we continue to attract world class business to
communities across New York State."

Over the past four years, one of the dominant scandals in New York State
politics has been Cuomo's feud with De Blasio. But now that the two men
have joined forces on Amazon, only to see their work wasted by insurgent
"Democratic socialists" and other local progressives, will Cuomo shift
the focus of his political vindictiveness that he's famous for on AOC
and sympathizers in the state senate?

* * *

Update 2: Finally, the woman who led the charge against Amazon and its
move to Queens has chimed in to declare Amazon's decision a triumph for
all New Yorkers and every committed comrade engaged in the eternal class
struggle against our corporate overlords.

Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated,
everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate
greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the
world. https://t.co/nyvm5vtH9k
— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) February 14, 2019

She added that if New York had $3 billion to give away to Amazon as a
part of this deal, it should be able to find the money to pay teachers
and fix the subway.

But while AOC's grand plan to take the Amazon development money and
spend it on the subway is about as fantastical as Trump's claim that
Mexico is going to pay for the wall (because there won't be any tax
revenue, there won't be any money - maybe somebody should explain that
to her), at some point, her constituents will probably figure out that
they've lost a lot and gained...nothing.

Ocasio-Cortez just cost NYC 25,000 plus jobs and likely billions of
dollars in economic development and ancillary small business revenue

Great start for her
— Quoth the Raven (@QTRResearch) February 14, 2019

Let the irony sink it: AOC wants to raise taxes on the wealthy to fund
her utopian socialist agenda, but is also against wealthy people
generating taxable income.

Once her constituents figure it out, they might realize that they would
have been better off if AOC had stayed tending bar.


https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...15.55%20PM.png
MABA - Make Alexandria A Bartender Again

* * *

Update: Comments on Amazon's decision to pull out of New York are
beginning to pour in. The first company to comment was Plaxall, a
plastics company that owns the site that Amazon had targeted for
developments.

Plaxall Inc., the plastics company that owns the private
development sites in Long Island City that Amazon.com Inc. had targeted
for its new campus, is “extremely disappointed” with the technology
company’s decision to pull out of New York.

"We’re extremely disappointed by this decision" Managing Directors
Paula Kirby, Tony Pfohl and Matthew Quigley said in an emailed
statement. "Since our grandfather opened Plaxall’s doors on the
waterfront seven decades ago, our family has believed in the
overwhelming promise of Anable Basin and Long Island City as centers of
productivity and innovation. We continue to believe that today."

Meanwhile, Queens State Senator Michael Giannaris, the lawmaker who led
the movement to defeat the Amazon deal, accused Amazon of acting like a
"petulant child."

State Sen. Michael Gianaris, a vocal critic who was chosen for a
state board with the power to veto the deal, said the decision revealed
Amazon’s unwillingness to work with the Queens community it had wanted
to join.

"Like a petulant child, Amazon insists on getting its way or takes
its ball and leaves" said Mr. Gianaris, a Democrat, whose district
includes Long Island City. "The only thing that happened here is that a
community that was going to be profoundly affected by their presence
started asking questions."

And finally, Mayor de Blasio has chimed in with his response,
effectively accusing Amazon of spitting in New York's face after the
city gave the company "the opportunity to be a good neighbor." He added
that if Amazon can't appreciate what New York City is worth, "its
competitors will."

We have the best talent in the world and every day we are growing a
stronger and fairer economy for everyone. If Amazon can’t recognize what
that’s worth, its competitors will. https://t.co/VLU17ULrUo
— Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor) February 14, 2019

* * *

As it turns out, those reports about Amazon reconsidering its plan to
build one of its "HQ2s" in the Queens neighborhood of Long Island City
weren't just trial balloons intended as a warning to New York Gov.
Andrew Cuomo to get his people in line.

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...bezostease.png
Bezos

Because in a Thursday announcement that will undoubtedly be heralded as
a major victory by "Democratic Socialists" like Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez, the e-commerce giant announced that it would scrap its
plans to move to New York City, much to the chagrin of Cuomo and de
Blasio, who signed off on a $3 billion package of "performance based"
state, city and public-private incentives offered to Amazon.

Amazon shares have rallied in the aftermath of the announcement.

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...amznchart2.jpg
AMZN

But the ramifications for New York State politics will be far more profound.

Amazon didn't mince words in its statement, placing the blame for its
decision to deprive the state of what Cuomo's office once described as
one of the biggest economic boons in recent decades squarely on the
shoulders of progressive New York lawmakers who objected to the deal.

Marking Amazon exit as the moment when @AOC's potent rhetoric first
translated into policy
— Harry Siegel (@harrysiegel) February 14, 2019

Specifically, lawmakers like AOC and confederates in the New York State
legislature opposed the massive tax incentive package offered to Amazon
(which came out to more than $40,000 in kickbacks for every job the
company had promised to create) and the potential for the new campus to
shift the gentrification process into overdrive (the main building would
have been situated just blocks away from the Queensbridge Housing
Project, America's largest public housing project.

After much thought and deliberation, we’ve decided not to move
forward with our plans to build a headquarters for Amazon in Long Island
City, Queens. For Amazon, the commitment to build a new headquarters
requires positive, collaborative relationships with state and local
elected officials who will be supportive over the long-term. While polls
show that 70% of New Yorkers support our plans and investment, a number
of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our
presence and will not work with us to build the type of relationships
that are required to go forward with the project we and many others
envisioned in Long Island City.We are disappointed to have reached this
conclusion — we love New York, its incomparable dynamism, people, and
culture — and particularly the community of Long Island City, where we
have gotten to know so many optimistic, forward-leaning community
leaders, small business owners, and residents. There are currently over
5,000 Amazon employees in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island, and we
plan to continue growing these teams.

We are deeply grateful to Governor Cuomo, Mayor de Blasio, and
their staffs, who so enthusiastically and graciously invited us to build
in New York City and supported us during the process. Governor Cuomo and
Mayor de Blasio have worked tirelessly on behalf of New Yorkers to
encourage local investment and job creation, and we can’t speak
positively enough about all their efforts. The steadfast commitment and
dedication that these leaders have demonstrated to the communities they
represent inspired us from the very beginning and is one of the big
reasons our decision was so difficult.

We do not intend to re-open the HQ2 search at this time. We will
proceed as planned in Northern Virginia and Nashville, and we will
continue to hire and grow across our 17 corporate offices and tech hubs
in the U.S. and Canada.

Thank you again to Governor Cuomo, Mayor de Blasio, and the many
other community leaders and residents who welcomed our plans and
supported us along the way. We hope to have future chances to
collaborate as we continue to build our presence in New York over time.

The decision to pull out of NYC comes after New York State lawmakers
nominated one of the deal's fiercest opponents to a state board that
would grant him the power to unilaterally kill the state component of
the incentive package. NYC progressives and "Democratic socialists" like
AOC can claim a major victory over their corporate adversaries. Queens
real-estate brokers on the other hand are reacting with a mix of "shock,
anger and disbelief" as condo sales soared in the wake of the Amazon deal...

Every Queens real estate broker right now pic.twitter.com/FYKZSe5WT2
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) February 14, 2019

....As anyone and everyone who could sought to get in on the real estate
buying frenzy, as speculators snapped up condos in the area.

Hello, is this "Nelly", the real estate broker...?
pic.twitter.com/LmMJ6mPmyS
— Barbarian Capital (@BarbarianCap) February 14, 2019

However, New Yorkers who opposed the Amazon deal will probably be
disappointed to find that driving away the e-commerce giant won't help
fix the subway.

ENJOY YOUR TRAIN RIDE ****ED FACES pic.twitter.com/MYx4AU9QQ6
— The_Real_Fly (@The_Real_Fly) February 14, 2019

The prospect of luring Amazon to NYC was an all-consuming project for
the Democrats who run the state. Cuomo and de Blasio set aside their
fierce rivalry to work together to court Amazon, we wonder who will be
the first to point the finger at their rival as what we imagine will
become one of the most epic blame games in the history of New York politics.

Because it looks like Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos has taken a break from
snapping dick pics to send Cuomo and de Blasio a giant middle finger.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ps-plan-ny-hq2
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On 2/15/2019 9:08 AM, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY


* * *

Update 2: Finally, the woman who led the charge against Amazon and its
move to Queens has chimed in to declare Amazon's decision a triumph for
all New Yorkers and every committed comrade engaged in the eternal class
struggle against our corporate overlords.

*** Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated,
everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate
greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the
world. https://t.co/nyvm5vtH9k
*** — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) February 14, 2019

She added that if New York had $3 billion to give away to Amazon as a
part of this deal, it should be able to find the money to pay teachers
and fix the subway.


*** Ocasio-Cortez just cost NYC 25,000 plus jobs and likely billions of
dollars in economic development and ancillary small business revenue

*** Great start for her
*** — Quoth the Raven (@QTRResearch) February 14, 2019

Let the irony sink it: AOC wants to raise taxes on the wealthy to fund
her utopian socialist agenda, but is also against wealthy people
generating taxable income.

Once her constituents figure it out, they might realize that they would
have been better off if AOC had stayed tending bar.


I wonder if her "victory" will give her the incentive to run for
president. Shame she it too young, it would be fun to watch.
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 9:05:53 AM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY

Thu, 02/14/2019 - 23:49

Update 4: Former Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein took some time off
from his retirement bliss to offer his two cents on Thursday's Amazon
news, blasting progressive dems like AOC for being "anti-progress" and
also "anti-democratic".

After killing Amazon's NYC HQ, not sure some progressive democrats
deserve either title. This move was both anti-progress (negative for
development and tech jobs) and anti-democratic (polls show 70% of NYers
were in favor). Victory lap for them, not for NYC. #AmazonHQ2
€” Lloyd Blankfein (@lloydblankfein) February 14, 2019

Their cheering at Amazon's pull-out is a "victory lap for them" and
their narrow political interests, not for the people of New York.

* * *

Update 3: After more than two hours of radio silence, Gov. Andrew Cuomo,
who swooped in to take credit for the deal after it was announced late
last year, has issued a statement on Amazon's decision...and as one
might have expected, he didn't hesitate to take a few shots at the
Democrats on his left flank whom Amazon has blamed for sabotaging the deal.

Offering a counter-narrative to AOC, Cuomo blamed Democrats in the state
senate for sabotaging a deal that "poll after poll" showed was
"overwhelmingly supported" by New Yorkers. These lawmakers "put their
own narrow political interests above their community" and lost what
would have been a great economic boon "not just for New York City, but
for the entire region." They also squandered an opportunity to
"diversify our economy away from real estate and Wall Street."

"Amazon chose to come to New York because we are the capital of the
world and the best place to do business. We competed in and won the most
hotly contested national economic development competition in the United
States, resulting in at least 25,000-40,000 good paying jobs for our
state and nearly $30 billion dollars in new revenue to fund transit
improvements, new housing, schools and countless other quality of life
improvements. Bringing Amazon to New York diversified our economy away
from real estate and Wall Street, further cementing our status as an
emerging center for tech and was an extraordinary economic win not just
for Queens and New York City, but for the entire region, from Long
Island to Albany's nanotech center."

"However, a small group politicians put their own narrow political
interests above their community - which poll after poll showed
overwhelmingly supported bringing Amazon to Long Island City - the
state's economic future and the best interests of the people of this
state. The New York State Senate has done tremendous damage. They should
be held accountable for this lost economic opportunity."

"The fundamentals of New York's business climate and community that
attracted amazon to be here - our talent pool, world-class education
system, commitment to diversity and progressivism - remain and we won't
be deterred as we continue to attract world class business to
communities across New York State."

Over the past four years, one of the dominant scandals in New York State
politics has been Cuomo's feud with De Blasio. But now that the two men
have joined forces on Amazon, only to see their work wasted by insurgent
"Democratic socialists" and other local progressives, will Cuomo shift
the focus of his political vindictiveness that he's famous for on AOC
and sympathizers in the state senate?

* * *

Update 2: Finally, the woman who led the charge against Amazon and its
move to Queens has chimed in to declare Amazon's decision a triumph for
all New Yorkers and every committed comrade engaged in the eternal class
struggle against our corporate overlords.

Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated,
everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazons corporate
greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the
world. https://t.co/nyvm5vtH9k
€” Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) February 14, 2019

She added that if New York had $3 billion to give away to Amazon as a
part of this deal, it should be able to find the money to pay teachers
and fix the subway.

But while AOC's grand plan to take the Amazon development money and
spend it on the subway is about as fantastical as Trump's claim that
Mexico is going to pay for the wall (because there won't be any tax
revenue, there won't be any money - maybe somebody should explain that
to her), at some point, her constituents will probably figure out that
they've lost a lot and gained...nothing.

Ocasio-Cortez just cost NYC 25,000 plus jobs and likely billions of
dollars in economic development and ancillary small business revenue

Great start for her
€” Quoth the Raven (@QTRResearch) February 14, 2019

Let the irony sink it: AOC wants to raise taxes on the wealthy to fund
her utopian socialist agenda, but is also against wealthy people
generating taxable income.

Once her constituents figure it out, they might realize that they would
have been better off if AOC had stayed tending bar.


https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...15.55%20PM.png
MABA - Make Alexandria A Bartender Again

* * *

Update: Comments on Amazon's decision to pull out of New York are
beginning to pour in. The first company to comment was Plaxall, a
plastics company that owns the site that Amazon had targeted for
developments.

Plaxall Inc., the plastics company that owns the private
development sites in Long Island City that Amazon.com Inc. had targeted
for its new campus, is €śextremely disappointed€ť with the technology
companys decision to pull out of New York.

"Were extremely disappointed by this decision" Managing Directors
Paula Kirby, Tony Pfohl and Matthew Quigley said in an emailed
statement. "Since our grandfather opened Plaxalls doors on the
waterfront seven decades ago, our family has believed in the
overwhelming promise of Anable Basin and Long Island City as centers of
productivity and innovation. We continue to believe that today."

Meanwhile, Queens State Senator Michael Giannaris, the lawmaker who led
the movement to defeat the Amazon deal, accused Amazon of acting like a
"petulant child."

State Sen. Michael Gianaris, a vocal critic who was chosen for a
state board with the power to veto the deal, said the decision revealed
Amazons unwillingness to work with the Queens community it had wanted
to join.

"Like a petulant child, Amazon insists on getting its way or takes
its ball and leaves" said Mr. Gianaris, a Democrat, whose district
includes Long Island City. "The only thing that happened here is that a
community that was going to be profoundly affected by their presence
started asking questions."

And finally, Mayor de Blasio has chimed in with his response,
effectively accusing Amazon of spitting in New York's face after the
city gave the company "the opportunity to be a good neighbor." He added
that if Amazon can't appreciate what New York City is worth, "its
competitors will."

We have the best talent in the world and every day we are growing a
stronger and fairer economy for everyone. If Amazon cant recognize what
thats worth, its competitors will. https://t.co/VLU17ULrUo
€” Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor) February 14, 2019

* * *

As it turns out, those reports about Amazon reconsidering its plan to
build one of its "HQ2s" in the Queens neighborhood of Long Island City
weren't just trial balloons intended as a warning to New York Gov.
Andrew Cuomo to get his people in line.

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...bezostease.png
Bezos

Because in a Thursday announcement that will undoubtedly be heralded as
a major victory by "Democratic Socialists" like Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez, the e-commerce giant announced that it would scrap its
plans to move to New York City, much to the chagrin of Cuomo and de
Blasio, who signed off on a $3 billion package of "performance based"
state, city and public-private incentives offered to Amazon.

Amazon shares have rallied in the aftermath of the announcement.

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...amznchart2.jpg
AMZN

But the ramifications for New York State politics will be far more profound.

Amazon didn't mince words in its statement, placing the blame for its
decision to deprive the state of what Cuomo's office once described as
one of the biggest economic boons in recent decades squarely on the
shoulders of progressive New York lawmakers who objected to the deal.

Marking Amazon exit as the moment when @AOC's potent rhetoric first
translated into policy
€” Harry Siegel (@harrysiegel) February 14, 2019

Specifically, lawmakers like AOC and confederates in the New York State
legislature opposed the massive tax incentive package offered to Amazon
(which came out to more than $40,000 in kickbacks for every job the
company had promised to create) and the potential for the new campus to
shift the gentrification process into overdrive (the main building would
have been situated just blocks away from the Queensbridge Housing
Project, America's largest public housing project.

After much thought and deliberation, weve decided not to move
forward with our plans to build a headquarters for Amazon in Long Island
City, Queens. For Amazon, the commitment to build a new headquarters
requires positive, collaborative relationships with state and local
elected officials who will be supportive over the long-term. While polls
show that 70% of New Yorkers support our plans and investment, a number
of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our
presence and will not work with us to build the type of relationships
that are required to go forward with the project we and many others
envisioned in Long Island City.We are disappointed to have reached this
conclusion €” we love New York, its incomparable dynamism, people, and
culture €” and particularly the community of Long Island City, where we
have gotten to know so many optimistic, forward-leaning community
leaders, small business owners, and residents. There are currently over
5,000 Amazon employees in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island, and we
plan to continue growing these teams.

We are deeply grateful to Governor Cuomo, Mayor de Blasio, and
their staffs, who so enthusiastically and graciously invited us to build
in New York City and supported us during the process. Governor Cuomo and
Mayor de Blasio have worked tirelessly on behalf of New Yorkers to
encourage local investment and job creation, and we cant speak
positively enough about all their efforts. The steadfast commitment and
dedication that these leaders have demonstrated to the communities they
represent inspired us from the very beginning and is one of the big
reasons our decision was so difficult.

We do not intend to re-open the HQ2 search at this time. We will
proceed as planned in Northern Virginia and Nashville, and we will
continue to hire and grow across our 17 corporate offices and tech hubs
in the U.S. and Canada.

Thank you again to Governor Cuomo, Mayor de Blasio, and the many
other community leaders and residents who welcomed our plans and
supported us along the way. We hope to have future chances to
collaborate as we continue to build our presence in New York over time.

The decision to pull out of NYC comes after New York State lawmakers
nominated one of the deal's fiercest opponents to a state board that
would grant him the power to unilaterally kill the state component of
the incentive package. NYC progressives and "Democratic socialists" like
AOC can claim a major victory over their corporate adversaries. Queens
real-estate brokers on the other hand are reacting with a mix of "shock,
anger and disbelief" as condo sales soared in the wake of the Amazon deal....

Every Queens real estate broker right now pic.twitter.com/FYKZSe5WT2
€” zerohedge (@zerohedge) February 14, 2019

...As anyone and everyone who could sought to get in on the real estate
buying frenzy, as speculators snapped up condos in the area.

Hello, is this "Nelly", the real estate broker...?
pic.twitter.com/LmMJ6mPmyS
€” Barbarian Capital (@BarbarianCap) February 14, 2019

However, New Yorkers who opposed the Amazon deal will probably be
disappointed to find that driving away the e-commerce giant won't help
fix the subway.

ENJOY YOUR TRAIN RIDE ****ED FACES pic.twitter.com/MYx4AU9QQ6
€” The_Real_Fly (@The_Real_Fly) February 14, 2019

The prospect of luring Amazon to NYC was an all-consuming project for
the Democrats who run the state. Cuomo and de Blasio set aside their
fierce rivalry to work together to court Amazon, we wonder who will be
the first to point the finger at their rival as what we imagine will
become one of the most epic blame games in the history of New York politics.

Because it looks like Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos has taken a break from
snapping dick pics to send Cuomo and de Blasio a giant middle finger.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ps-plan-ny-hq2



I'm getting a good chuckle out of this debacle. Too of the big Democrat
libs, Cuomo and di Blasio, just got a taste of their own stupid ideology.
They have let the Democrat party go totally loony left. Now they got a
good taste of the results. Cuomo figured he was going to use the Amazon
deal as a great achievement to brag about when he runs for president.
Probably di Blasio too. Instead, the loony left that they have cultivated
and sold out to, torpedoed it rather spectacularly and left them looking
like fools.

To be sure, there were serious issues with this deal, like whether the govt
should be subsidizing this with tax breaks to the extent they did. But
that didn't matter to Cortez and her ilk, as was clear from here statement
that blamed Amazon for "exploiting" workers. WTF? The average pay Amazon
was going to have at the NYC cite was, as I recall, $130K or more. And
Amazon already pays a $15 min wage, which the libs demand. But still, they
are no good, exploiting workers, because, well, it's a private capitalist
business. That's how loony the Democrats have gone. And make no mistake,
Cortez isn't an isolated case, as evidenced by how many name brand Democrat
acts, including all their presidential wannabees, lined up behind her latest
green manifesto. How sweet it is to see two of these top Democrat libs
get a good dose of reality, embarrassed and shamed by blowback from what
they themselves endorse and create.


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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 9:05:53 AM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:


I'm getting a good chuckle out of this debacle. Too of the big Democrat
libs, Cuomo and di Blasio, just got a taste of their own stupid ideology.


Actually, I'd say its even more true of Scott Walker & Foxconn. It's
certianly not anything party-specific.
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I am so sick of this publicity seeking kook woman. Amazon cheated
and got kicked out. So what?


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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 10:36:05 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
trader_4 writes:
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 9:05:53 AM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:


I'm getting a good chuckle out of this debacle. Too of the big Democrat
libs, Cuomo and di Blasio, just got a taste of their own stupid ideology.


Actually, I'd say its even more true of Scott Walker & Foxconn. It's
certianly not anything party-specific.


Totally apples and oranges. Foxconn wasn't a real deal to begin with,
they just played Trump to buy some time for China and it didn't fail
because of Republican policy blowing back on them. Foxconn didn't suddenly
discover 18 months later that it costs too much to manufacture displays
in the USA. Amazon was a very real deal and it totally failed
because the libs came out and blew it up. Look at Cortez's victory
statement. It wasn't about the merits of the deal, it was stupid anti-capitalism, communist style lies and rhetoric. Exploitation of workers?
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 8:05:53 AM UTC-6, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
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I am so sick of this publicity seeking kook woman. Amazon cheated
and got kicked out. So what?


What exactly are you alleging that Amazon cheated on? The rest of us saw
Amazon and NY state and city reach an agreement, after which there was
such an uproar from the likes of Cortez, that Amazon decided they didn't
want to come to a city where they were not welcome. I would have made the
same decision.
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Their cheering at Amazon's pull-out is a "victory lap for them" and their narrow political interests, not for the people of New York.



New York is apparently infected with welfare democrats. Amazon would be better served to locate in a state with a work ethic.
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 11:40:30 AM UTC-5, devnull wrote:
On 2/15/19 9:08 AM, Home Guy wrote:
Their cheering at Amazon's pull-out is a "victory lap for them" and their narrow political interests, not for the people of New York.



New York is apparently infected with welfare democrats. Amazon would be better served to locate in a state with a work ethic.


Apparently they did exactly that, VA and TN I believe. And di Blasio is trying
to blame Amazon, instead of his own loony bin Democrats, which are largely
responsible for killing it. Cortez and her bunch believe that govt should
provide the jobs, but only for those that want them. The rest should get
paid by the govt simply for existing.






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On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:03:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-5, Davej wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 8:05:53 AM UTC-6, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY


I am so sick of this publicity seeking kook woman. Amazon cheated
and got kicked out. So what?


What exactly are you alleging that Amazon cheated on? The rest of us saw
Amazon and NY state and city reach an agreement, after which there was
such an uproar from the likes of Cortez, that Amazon decided they didn't
want to come to a city where they were not welcome. I would have made the
same decision.


Cortez was so stupid that she thought NY was just going to write
Amazon a check that she could have used for other things. She didn't
understand these were just tax concessions and the money would not
exist at all if Amazon moved to Northern Virginia.
Unfortunately NoVa is as blue as New York and their socialists might
blow up that deal too.



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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 2:37:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:03:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-5, Davej wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 8:05:53 AM UTC-6, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY


I am so sick of this publicity seeking kook woman. Amazon cheated
and got kicked out. So what?


What exactly are you alleging that Amazon cheated on? The rest of us saw
Amazon and NY state and city reach an agreement, after which there was
such an uproar from the likes of Cortez, that Amazon decided they didn't
want to come to a city where they were not welcome. I would have made the
same decision.


Cortez was so stupid that she thought NY was just going to write
Amazon a check that she could have used for other things. She didn't
understand these were just tax concessions and the money would not
exist at all if Amazon moved to Northern Virginia.
Unfortunately NoVa is as blue as New York and their socialists might
blow up that deal too.


Probably so. The economics are complex and you could get a wide range
of estimates of the tax flows in and out of NY State and NYC with and
without Amazon. But to say that Amazon is worker "exploitation" really
tells you that she's a total Marxist moron. The average job was supposed
to be in the $130K range. Cortez though isn't the core of the problem.
Something very bizarre is happening when a moron like her can show up
and have Democrats that have been in office for years to decades, including
I think all the presidential wannabees, lining up behind her and her Marxist BS.
I hear McConnell is going to put her Green Manifesto up for a vote in the
Senate. That will give all the Democrats an opportunity to weigh in on
whether they support this crazy BS or not, force them to choose. Let them
be on record.

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 12:30:50 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 2:37:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:03:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-5, Davej wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 8:05:53 AM UTC-6, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY


I am so sick of this publicity seeking kook woman. Amazon cheated
and got kicked out. So what?

What exactly are you alleging that Amazon cheated on? The rest of us saw
Amazon and NY state and city reach an agreement, after which there was
such an uproar from the likes of Cortez, that Amazon decided they didn't
want to come to a city where they were not welcome. I would have made the
same decision.


Cortez was so stupid that she thought NY was just going to write
Amazon a check that she could have used for other things. She didn't
understand these were just tax concessions and the money would not
exist at all if Amazon moved to Northern Virginia.
Unfortunately NoVa is as blue as New York and their socialists might
blow up that deal too.


Probably so. The economics are complex and you could get a wide range
of estimates of the tax flows in and out of NY State and NYC with and
without Amazon. But to say that Amazon is worker "exploitation" really
tells you that she's a total Marxist moron. The average job was supposed
to be in the $130K range. Cortez though isn't the core of the problem.
Something very bizarre is happening when a moron like her can show up
and have Democrats that have been in office for years to decades, including
I think all the presidential wannabees, lining up behind her and her Marxist BS.
I hear McConnell is going to put her Green Manifesto up for a vote in the
Senate. That will give all the Democrats an opportunity to weigh in on
whether they support this crazy BS or not, force them to choose. Let them
be on record.


I am not a huge Bezos fan but I bet no community lost money because
Amazon was in town.
**** they even collect state sales tax most places.
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 11:14:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 12:30:50 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 2:37:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:03:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-5, Davej wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 8:05:53 AM UTC-6, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY


I am so sick of this publicity seeking kook woman. Amazon cheated
and got kicked out. So what?

What exactly are you alleging that Amazon cheated on? The rest of us saw
Amazon and NY state and city reach an agreement, after which there was
such an uproar from the likes of Cortez, that Amazon decided they didn't
want to come to a city where they were not welcome. I would have made the
same decision.

Cortez was so stupid that she thought NY was just going to write
Amazon a check that she could have used for other things. She didn't
understand these were just tax concessions and the money would not
exist at all if Amazon moved to Northern Virginia.
Unfortunately NoVa is as blue as New York and their socialists might
blow up that deal too.


Probably so. The economics are complex and you could get a wide range
of estimates of the tax flows in and out of NY State and NYC with and
without Amazon. But to say that Amazon is worker "exploitation" really
tells you that she's a total Marxist moron. The average job was supposed
to be in the $130K range. Cortez though isn't the core of the problem.
Something very bizarre is happening when a moron like her can show up
and have Democrats that have been in office for years to decades, including
I think all the presidential wannabees, lining up behind her and her Marxist BS.
I hear McConnell is going to put her Green Manifesto up for a vote in the
Senate. That will give all the Democrats an opportunity to weigh in on
whether they support this crazy BS or not, force them to choose. Let them
be on record.


I am not a huge Bezos fan but I bet no community lost money because
Amazon was in town.
**** they even collect state sales tax most places.


One very legitimate question that should be asked about subsidizing Amazon
is how is it fair to the local hardware stores in NYC or to Macy's, Target,
etc? They are in NYC paying full taxes. They have to compete against
Amazon, which is undercutting their business and prices. Why should they
have to pay full taxes to NYC and state, but Amazon gets a break?

I can see this when there is an economically depressed area and the govt
does it with all businesses that choose to open new facilities there.
But when it's a huge, successful company that's actually putting the hurt
on many local businesses, it sure become highly dubious. To be sure, there
would be a lot of help to the businesses that are near the Amazon facility.
Even the local hardware store would likely be a big beneficiary. But for
businesses outside the immediate area, if they are competing against Amazon
in any way, it sure isn't fair that they pay full taxes, while A gets
subsidized. But IDK what the answer is either. If state A offers a
subsidy and B doesn't, B won't get big players like Amazon to come there.
It would take agreement across all or most of the states to stop this and
that isn't going to happen.

Still, I'm very much enjoying the smack down for Cuomo and di Blasio,
much of it at the hands of their own ilk.

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On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 07:37:05 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 11:14:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 12:30:50 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 2:37:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:03:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-5, Davej wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 8:05:53 AM UTC-6, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY


I am so sick of this publicity seeking kook woman. Amazon cheated
and got kicked out. So what?

What exactly are you alleging that Amazon cheated on? The rest of us saw
Amazon and NY state and city reach an agreement, after which there was
such an uproar from the likes of Cortez, that Amazon decided they didn't
want to come to a city where they were not welcome. I would have made the
same decision.

Cortez was so stupid that she thought NY was just going to write
Amazon a check that she could have used for other things. She didn't
understand these were just tax concessions and the money would not
exist at all if Amazon moved to Northern Virginia.
Unfortunately NoVa is as blue as New York and their socialists might
blow up that deal too.

Probably so. The economics are complex and you could get a wide range
of estimates of the tax flows in and out of NY State and NYC with and
without Amazon. But to say that Amazon is worker "exploitation" really
tells you that she's a total Marxist moron. The average job was supposed
to be in the $130K range. Cortez though isn't the core of the problem.
Something very bizarre is happening when a moron like her can show up
and have Democrats that have been in office for years to decades, including
I think all the presidential wannabees, lining up behind her and her Marxist BS.
I hear McConnell is going to put her Green Manifesto up for a vote in the
Senate. That will give all the Democrats an opportunity to weigh in on
whether they support this crazy BS or not, force them to choose. Let them
be on record.


I am not a huge Bezos fan but I bet no community lost money because
Amazon was in town.
**** they even collect state sales tax most places.


One very legitimate question that should be asked about subsidizing Amazon
is how is it fair to the local hardware stores in NYC or to Macy's, Target,
etc? They are in NYC paying full taxes. They have to compete against
Amazon, which is undercutting their business and prices. Why should they
have to pay full taxes to NYC and state, but Amazon gets a break?

I can see this when there is an economically depressed area and the govt
does it with all businesses that choose to open new facilities there.
But when it's a huge, successful company that's actually putting the hurt
on many local businesses, it sure become highly dubious. To be sure, there
would be a lot of help to the businesses that are near the Amazon facility.
Even the local hardware store would likely be a big beneficiary. But for
businesses outside the immediate area, if they are competing against Amazon
in any way, it sure isn't fair that they pay full taxes, while A gets
subsidized. But IDK what the answer is either. If state A offers a
subsidy and B doesn't, B won't get big players like Amazon to come there.
It would take agreement across all or most of the states to stop this and
that isn't going to happen.

Still, I'm very much enjoying the smack down for Cuomo and di Blasio,
much of it at the hands of their own ilk.


That question goes deeper than just this Amazon deal tho. Governments
give tax breaks to attract businesses all the time.
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On 2/16/2019 10:37 AM, trader_4 wrote:


One very legitimate question that should be asked about subsidizing Amazon
is how is it fair to the local hardware stores in NYC or to Macy's, Target,
etc? They are in NYC paying full taxes. They have to compete against
Amazon, which is undercutting their business and prices. Why should they
have to pay full taxes to NYC and state, but Amazon gets a break?

I can see this when there is an economically depressed area and the govt
does it with all businesses that choose to open new facilities there.
But when it's a huge, successful company that's actually putting the hurt
on many local businesses, it sure become highly dubious. To be sure, there
would be a lot of help to the businesses that are near the Amazon facility.
Even the local hardware store would likely be a big beneficiary. But for
businesses outside the immediate area, if they are competing against Amazon
in any way, it sure isn't fair that they pay full taxes, while A gets
subsidized. But IDK what the answer is either. If state A offers a
subsidy and B doesn't, B won't get big players like Amazon to come there.
It would take agreement across all or most of the states to stop this and
that isn't going to happen.


You make a valid point, but it comes down to greed. No, not
capitalistic greed on the part of Amazon. Greed on the part of the
government.

Tax breaks have been going on for decades. When a billionaire sports
team wants a new stadium to play in, he gets government subsidy. When a
kid wants to open a lemonade stand and will employ two kids, the local
towns offer him tax breaks to open there.

I bet Macy's would get a break if they were to enlarge or build a new
store too.

The choice should be made to locate in the best possible place as deemed
by the business on a level playing field, no tax breaks. I'm not a
football fan but my tax dollars went to fund a new stadium.


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I'm not a football fan but my tax dollars went to fund a new stadium.


Pima County AZ wanted to build a new baseball stadium to attract a farm
team. Rather than tax permanent residents, they hit upon a scheme to
impose a .50 a day tax on RVs in campgrounds and sock it to the
snowbirds. They missed the part of RVs, almost by definition, being on
wheels and Pima isn't the only county in AZ.

Personally, my RV became a 'mobile home'. I think the property tax is
about $12 a year.
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:03:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-5, Davej wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 8:05:53 AM UTC-6, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY


I am so sick of this publicity seeking kook woman. Amazon cheated
and got kicked out. So what?

What exactly are you alleging that Amazon cheated on? The rest of us
saw
Amazon and NY state and city reach an agreement, after which there was
such an uproar from the likes of Cortez, that Amazon decided they didn't
want to come to a city where they were not welcome. I would have made
the
same decision.


Cortez was so stupid that she thought NY was just going to write
Amazon a check that she could have used for other things. She didn't
understand these were just tax concessions and the money would not
exist at all if Amazon moved to Northern Virginia.
Unfortunately NoVa is as blue as New York and their socialists might
blow up that deal too.


Tucker Carlson made the observation that the two locations were chosen
because of their liberal political impact.

I always wonder if these deals work out for the common folks.


They clearly do if they provide significant employment in that area.

I have a natural distrust of congress critters so I tilt toward that they
do not.
As soon as the concessions run out the companies bail, from my
observations.


That hasn't happened with Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook or Amazon.

Are they going to continue with a second choice?


Corse they are, they have to go somewhere.

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:03:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-5, Davej wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 8:05:53 AM UTC-6, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY

I am so sick of this publicity seeking kook woman. Amazon cheated
and got kicked out. So what?
What exactly are you alleging that Amazon cheated on? The rest of us saw
Amazon and NY state and city reach an agreement, after which there was
such an uproar from the likes of Cortez, that Amazon decided they didn't
want to come to a city where they were not welcome. I would have made the
same decision.

Cortez was so stupid that she thought NY was just going to write
Amazon a check that she could have used for other things. She didn't
understand these were just tax concessions and the money would not
exist at all if Amazon moved to Northern Virginia.
Unfortunately NoVa is as blue as New York and their socialists might
blow up that deal too.

Tucker Carlson made the observation that the two locations were chosen
because of their liberal political impact.

I always wonder if these deals work out for the common folks. I have a
natural distrust of congress critters so I tilt toward that they do not. As
soon as the concessions run out the companies bail, from my observations.

Are they going to continue with a second choice?

Nancy Pelosi's daughter, Ocasio-Kotex, is currently negotiating with Sears.

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They clearly do if they provide significant employment in that area.


Teaching the Yanks about American politics and economy again, you
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On 2/18/2019 3:32 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:03:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-5, Davej wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 8:05:53 AM UTC-6, Home Guy wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez Celebrates "Defeat" Of World's Richest Man's "Worker
Exploitation" As Amazon Abandons NY

I am so sick of this publicity seeking kook woman. Amazon cheated
and got kicked out. So what?
What exactly are you alleging that Amazon cheated on? The rest of us saw
Amazon and NY state and city reach an agreement, after which there was
such an uproar from the likes of Cortez, that Amazon decided they didn't
want to come to a city where they were not welcome. I would have made the
same decision.
Cortez was so stupid that she thought NY was just going to write
Amazon a check that she could have used for other things. She didn't
understand these were just tax concessions and the money would not
exist at all if Amazon moved to Northern Virginia.
Unfortunately NoVa is as blue as New York and their socialists might
blow up that deal too.

Tucker Carlson made the observation that the two locations were chosen
because of their liberal political impact.

I always wonder if these deals work out for the common folks. I have a
natural distrust of congress critters so I tilt toward that they do not.. As
soon as the concessions run out the companies bail, from my observations.

Are they going to continue with a second choice?

Nancy Pelosi's daughter, Ocasio-Kotex, is currently negotiating with Sears.


Now that one made my day!

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