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If one has FIOS or some other fiber-optic phone/internet service, what
connects the FIOS box on the wall outside with the FIOS router (or whatever) next to the computer and the inside phone line? Is it Cat-5,6? Fiber-optic cable? 4-conductor phone line like has been used for 80 years (and before that maybe 3-conductor), usually round and white? If I use Cat-6 will it work better? -- Micky https://youtu.be/CDjT1fhrs-A |
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On 1/16/19 4:51 AM, micky wrote:
If one has FIOS or some other fiber-optic phone/internet service, what connects the FIOS box on the wall outside with the FIOS router (or whatever) next to the computer and the inside phone line? Is it Cat-5,6? Fiber-optic cable? 4-conductor phone line like has been used for 80 years (and before that maybe 3-conductor), usually round and white? If I use Cat-6 will it work better? I'd install cat6 for internet and cat3 or better for phone. But as a practical matter and for maximum future proofing, do the whole thing in cat6. When the installer comes, show him your DNC credentials and you might get a free install. |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:51:37 -0500, micky
wrote: If one has FIOS or some other fiber-optic phone/internet service, what connects the FIOS box on the wall outside with the FIOS router (or whatever) next to the computer and the inside phone line? Is it Cat-5,6? Fiber-optic cable? 4-conductor phone line like has been used for 80 years (and before that maybe 3-conductor), usually round and white? If I use Cat-6 will it work better? My fiber line runs underground to my house - then the conduit rises above grade and into my house to a fiber-box ONT in my basement utility room. The ONT looks similar to the one in this thread : https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.as...topicid=190686 The fiber connection into this device is done by the service tech. I have one phone line out ; one Cat 6 to my internet router on the main floor ; and one Cat 6 to my TV box. The service provider included a battery back-up, at no cost, so the telephone only will continue to function after a power failure - for emergency calls or to phone the power company. I like the small local provider very much ; the speed and bundle pricing is quite good. John T. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 12:19:20 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:18:34 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:51:37 -0500, micky wrote: If one has FIOS or some other fiber-optic phone/internet service, what connects the FIOS box on the wall outside with the FIOS router (or whatever) next to the computer and the inside phone line? Is it Cat-5,6? Fiber-optic cable? 4-conductor phone line like has been used for 80 years (and before that maybe 3-conductor), usually round and white? If I use Cat-6 will it work better? My fiber line runs underground to my house - then the conduit rises above grade and into my house to a fiber-box ONT in my basement utility room. The ONT looks similar to the one in this thread : https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.as...topicid=190686 The fiber connection into this device is done by the service tech. I have one phone line out ; one Cat 6 to my internet router on the main floor ; and one Cat 6 to my TV box. The service provider included a battery back-up, at no cost, so the telephone only will continue to function after a power failure - for emergency calls or to phone the power company. I like the small local provider very much ; the speed and bundle pricing is quite good. John T. Your phone will work as long as there is power to the concentrator up the street and all the others until it gets to the central office, as long as they have power. For all practical purposes there is no POTS anymore, powered by a big battery in the central office. Even old style copper wired phones are still slaves to line powered equipment along the way. That may be true for some newer POTS, IDK. But it's not true for most of the POTS out there, ie the installed base. When they went to what amounts to concentrators to enable the use of T1 lines back to the central office, that eqpt was also backed up with batteries or UPS, etc. If you have service over the old switched telephone system, then it's generally immune from an AC power outage. That was and is it's one big advantage and a major reason why people still keep it. |
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In trader_4 writes:
[snip] Your phone will work as long as there is power to the concentrator up the street and all the others until it gets to the central office, as long as they have power. For all practical purposes there is no POTS anymore, powered by a big battery in the central office. Even old style copper wired phones are still slaves to line powered equipment along the way. That may be true for some newer POTS, IDK. But it's not true for most of the POTS out there, ie the installed base. When they went to what amounts to concentrators to enable the use of T1 lines back to the central office, that eqpt was also backed up with batteries or UPS, etc. If you have service over the old switched telephone system, then it's generally immune from an AC power outage. That was and is it's one big advantage and a major reason why people still keep it. Yes, those batteries at the local "concentrator" (term used a bit loosely and expansively) will keep your pseudo-POTS line working during a power failure. For an hour or two or maybe five. But that's it. In the Good Old Daize, the Central Offices _all_ [a] worked off floating batteries with generator backup. If the utility power went out, the generators kickedin and typically had a multi day, or longer, fuel supply. [a] yeah, there's probably that exception somewhere. I recall, back in the days of One Bell System, It worked [tm], checking their daily telephone "newswire", voiced by Helen Banks and Marion Marshall. Nice little puffery piece. Anyway... there was one of those multi state heavy duty ice storms which knocled out power for a _large_ area. I remember her saying (number for illustration) that of the hundred and twelve CO's in the blackout zone, one hundred and eleven were operating ok on emergency backup power... (And the other would be fixed in a couple of hours). -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
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On 1/16/19 12:42 PM, danny burstein wrote:
In the Good Old Daize, the Central Offices_all_ [a] worked off floating batteries with generator backup. If the utility power went out, the generators kickedin and typically had a multi day, or longer, fuel supply. Back in the "good old days" when I had AT&T pots, My line often had static or the sound of frying bacon or sometimes a hum that made conversation difficult at best. T would repair it but the fix never lasted more than 6 months or so. T's dialup internet service was a joke. About 2004 or so, Comcast rolled out HSI, I switched to Comcast and VoIP and have enjoyed nice clear reliable phone service ever since. Comcast internet, an Obihai box and Google Voice are an awesome combination. And FWIW, I have a automatic backup genset so my power is never out more than about 20 seconds or so while the generator spools up. |
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On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 12:42:43 PM UTC-5, danny burstein wrote:
In trader_4 writes: [snip] Your phone will work as long as there is power to the concentrator up the street and all the others until it gets to the central office, as long as they have power. For all practical purposes there is no POTS anymore, powered by a big battery in the central office. Even old style copper wired phones are still slaves to line powered equipment along the way. That may be true for some newer POTS, IDK. But it's not true for most of the POTS out there, ie the installed base. When they went to what amounts to concentrators to enable the use of T1 lines back to the central office, that eqpt was also backed up with batteries or UPS, etc. If you have service over the old switched telephone system, then it's generally immune from an AC power outage. That was and is it's one big advantage and a major reason why people still keep it. Yes, those batteries at the local "concentrator" (term used a bit loosely and expansively) will keep your pseudo-POTS line working during a power failure. For an hour or two or maybe five. But that's it. I agree, it depends on the size of the batteries. But the telcos were not shy about having large batteries either, the installed base has been deployed for 40 years when reliability was a primary concern, so I'd suspect it's more at the longer end of your time range or beyond. If it wasn't there would be a lot of people complaining for decades about losing phone service during power outages. I've lived in quite a few different places and never recall losing phone service on the switched phone system during any power outages. I agree that it's not long duration, like having a generator at the central office. But it's also not like you lose your POTS phone during the typical power outage that lasts a few hours either. Fretwell has a valid point, that even copper for many people probably won't last a long time if they are not direct into a CO. And unless you have experience with power outages of varying lengths, you really don't know how long it will last. I got rid of my copper, VOIP and cell works for me. |
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On 1/16/2019 1:35 PM, Randy Stevensen wrote:
On 1/16/19 12:42 PM, danny burstein wrote: In the Good Old Daize, the Central Offices_all_Â* [a] worked off floating batteries with generator backup.Â* If the utility power went out, the generators kickedin and typically had a multi day, or longer, fuel supply. Back in the "good old days" when I had AT&T pots, My line often had static or the sound of frying bacon or sometimes a hum that made conversation difficult at best. T would repair it but the fix never lasted more than 6 months or so. T's dialup internet service was a joke. About 2004 or so, Comcast rolled out HSI, I switched to Comcast and VoIP and have enjoyed nice clear reliable phone service ever since.Â* Comcast internet, an Obihai box and Google Voice are an awesome combination. And FWIW, I have a automatic backup genset so my power is never out more than about 20 seconds or so while the generator spools up. I have Comcast triple play which includes computer, VoIP and TV. I also have a FIOS connected phone line that I use for business which is treated like a land line and I assume if I wanted to connect to a computer and use internet that a tech would come out with a modem and router. A consulting client pays for the business phone but I will ditch it when I quit consulting. It is billed like a land line, requiring extra long distance service and even extra to get things like call block and caller id. |
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On 1/16/19 12:35 PM, Randy Stevensen wrote:
[snip] Back in the "good old days" when I had AT&T pots, My line often had static or the sound of frying bacon or sometimes a hum that made conversation difficult at best. T would repair it but the fix never lasted more than 6 months or so. T's dialup internet service was a joke. I had a lot of that trouble. That was probably the main reason I switched to cable phone service, which cost about half as much and no extra charge for call waiting ID. [snip] -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Horrible Bug Encountered. No idea what has happened." |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:35:39 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 12:19:20 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:18:34 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:51:37 -0500, micky wrote: If one has FIOS or some other fiber-optic phone/internet service, what connects the FIOS box on the wall outside with the FIOS router (or whatever) next to the computer and the inside phone line? Is it Cat-5,6? Fiber-optic cable? 4-conductor phone line like has been used for 80 years (and before that maybe 3-conductor), usually round and white? If I use Cat-6 will it work better? My fiber line runs underground to my house - then the conduit rises above grade and into my house to a fiber-box ONT in my basement utility room. The ONT looks similar to the one in this thread : https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.as...topicid=190686 The fiber connection into this device is done by the service tech. I have one phone line out ; one Cat 6 to my internet router on the main floor ; and one Cat 6 to my TV box. The service provider included a battery back-up, at no cost, so the telephone only will continue to function after a power failure - for emergency calls or to phone the power company. I like the small local provider very much ; the speed and bundle pricing is quite good. John T. Your phone will work as long as there is power to the concentrator up the street and all the others until it gets to the central office, as long as they have power. For all practical purposes there is no POTS anymore, powered by a big battery in the central office. Even old style copper wired phones are still slaves to line powered equipment along the way. That may be true for some newer POTS, IDK. But it's not true for most of the POTS out there, ie the installed base. When they went to what amounts to concentrators to enable the use of T1 lines back to the central office, that eqpt was also backed up with batteries or UPS, etc. If you have service over the old switched telephone system, then it's generally immune from an AC power outage. That was and is it's one big advantage and a major reason why people still keep it. The roll out of DSL changed that. They don't use a T-1, it is fiber. The UPS seems to work about 28 hours, then they need a generator (based on my Irma experience). |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:31:18 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote: On 1/16/19 12:35 PM, Randy Stevensen wrote: [snip] Back in the "good old days" when I had AT&T pots, My line often had static or the sound of frying bacon or sometimes a hum that made conversation difficult at best. T would repair it but the fix never lasted more than 6 months or so. T's dialup internet service was a joke. I had a lot of that trouble. That was probably the main reason I switched to cable phone service, which cost about half as much and no extra charge for call waiting ID. Dial up was OK for what we were doing at the time, mostly text mode stuff and an occasional low resolution picture. The arrival of MP3s in the late 90s drove the broadband thing for me. Cable internet was OK here until Comcast bought out my provider and the service went down hill until the point that I cut the drop and left it laying in the road, going for slower but far more reliable DSL from the Telco. Comcast still sucks here. My FIL didn't even have TV service for about half of December. They were out there a dozen times but couldn't keep it running more than a half a day. Irma was the first time I lost POTS/DSL for more than a few minutes. The batteries in the concentrator died after about 28 hours and it took them several days to bring a generator out there. My broadband was up during the whole storm tho but without power I was running dial up until I got my generator going. I was still getting V.34 speed up and about 48k down, plenty for sending pictures. |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:18:52 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:18:34 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:51:37 -0500, micky wrote: If one has FIOS or some other fiber-optic phone/internet service, what connects the FIOS box on the wall outside with the FIOS router (or whatever) next to the computer and the inside phone line? Is it Cat-5,6? Fiber-optic cable? 4-conductor phone line like has been used for 80 years (and before that maybe 3-conductor), usually round and white? If I use Cat-6 will it work better? My fiber line runs underground to my house - then the conduit rises above grade and into my house to a fiber-box ONT in my basement utility room. The ONT looks similar to the one in this thread : https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.as...topicid=190686 The fiber connection into this device is done by the service tech. I have one phone line out ; one Cat 6 to my internet router on the main floor ; and one Cat 6 to my TV box. The service provider included a battery back-up, at no cost, so the telephone only will continue to function after a power failure - for emergency calls or to phone the power company. I like the small local provider very much ; the speed and bundle pricing is quite good. John T. Your phone will work as long as there is power to the concentrator up the street and all the others until it gets to the central office, as long as they have power. For all practical purposes there is no POTS anymore, powered by a big battery in the central office. Even old style copper wired phones are still slaves to line powered equipment along the way. Seems like they are confident about their upstream power back-up : - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Every Fibre installation includes a UPS (battery backup). The UPS automatically engages when the power goes out. This smart system will turn off Television and Internet service to allow for corded Telephone service to stay active for up to eight hours. The UPS uses a 120v plug, meaning you can connect it to your generator. This will reactivate your Fibre services as well as charge the battery in the UPS. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - John T. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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On 1/16/2019 2:26 PM, Frank wrote:
I have Comcast triple play which includes computer, VoIP and TV. I now have Spectrum with the similar package. Waiting for the repair guy right now, in fact. Moved here 27 days ago and this is the 4th (and last) service call. The Caller ID on the TV shows 6 calls today that did not go through. If not fixed this time, my next call will be to Frontier. Overall, Spectrum sucks. I can only record two things at one time and have to watch one. It can not be played in another room once recorded. The internet speeds are good, everything else sucks. |
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On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 3:32:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:35:39 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 12:19:20 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:18:34 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:51:37 -0500, micky wrote: If one has FIOS or some other fiber-optic phone/internet service, what connects the FIOS box on the wall outside with the FIOS router (or whatever) next to the computer and the inside phone line? Is it Cat-5,6? Fiber-optic cable? 4-conductor phone line like has been used for 80 years (and before that maybe 3-conductor), usually round and white? If I use Cat-6 will it work better? My fiber line runs underground to my house - then the conduit rises above grade and into my house to a fiber-box ONT in my basement utility room. The ONT looks similar to the one in this thread : https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.as...topicid=190686 The fiber connection into this device is done by the service tech. I have one phone line out ; one Cat 6 to my internet router on the main floor ; and one Cat 6 to my TV box. The service provider included a battery back-up, at no cost, so the telephone only will continue to function after a power failure - for emergency calls or to phone the power company. I like the small local provider very much ; the speed and bundle pricing is quite good. John T. Your phone will work as long as there is power to the concentrator up the street and all the others until it gets to the central office, as long as they have power. For all practical purposes there is no POTS anymore, powered by a big battery in the central office. Even old style copper wired phones are still slaves to line powered equipment along the way. That may be true for some newer POTS, IDK. But it's not true for most of the POTS out there, ie the installed base. When they went to what amounts to concentrators to enable the use of T1 lines back to the central office, that eqpt was also backed up with batteries or UPS, etc. If you have service over the old switched telephone system, then it's generally immune from an AC power outage. That was and is it's one big advantage and a major reason why people still keep it. The roll out of DSL changed that. They don't use a T-1, it is fiber. The UPS seems to work about 28 hours, then they need a generator (based on my Irma experience). Somebody actually uses DSL? IDK anyone that has it. Cable is the predominant digital service. Even Verizon has FIOS instead of DSL. Actually I did have it here briefly, ~ 1 mbit for a year or two until they got the cable system going. But I would think the UPS for that would be about the same as it was for voice that used any of the concentrators instead of a direct connection to the CO. In fact my half-assed DSL was a direct connection to the CO, which was several miles. |
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Yes, those batteries at the local "concentrator" (term used a bit loosely and expansively) will keep your pseudo-POTS line working during a power failure. For an hour or two or maybe five. But that's it. I agree, it depends on the size of the batteries. But the telcos were not shy about having large batteries either, the installed base has been deployed for 40 years when reliability was a primary concern, so I'd suspect it's more at the longer end of your time range or beyond. If it wasn't there would be a lot of people complaining for decades about losing phone service during power outages. I've lived in quite a few different places and never recall losing phone service on the switched phone system during any power outages. I agree that it's not long duration, like having a generator at the central office. But it's also not like you lose your POTS phone during the typical power outage that lasts a few hours either. Fretwell has a valid point, that even copper for many people probably won't last a long time if they are not direct into a CO. And unless you have experience with power outages of varying lengths, you really don't know how long it will last. I got rid of my copper, VOIP and cell works for me. My area's fiber connection is less than 2 years old and hasn't been tested by a long power outage yet .. but our minimum power outages are in the 3 - 4 hour range so I suspect that the upstream fiber back-up is much more robust than the provided home UPS up to 8 hours although I'm not keen to find out ! John T. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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On 2019-01-16 3:30 p.m., trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 3:32:42 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:35:39 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 12:19:20 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:18:34 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:51:37 -0500, micky wrote: If one has FIOS or some other fiber-optic phone/internet service, what connects the FIOS box on the wall outside with the FIOS router (or whatever) next to the computer and the inside phone line? Is it Cat-5,6? Fiber-optic cable? 4-conductor phone line like has been used for 80 years (and before that maybe 3-conductor), usually round and white? If I use Cat-6 will it work better? My fiber line runs underground to my house - then the conduit rises above grade and into my house to a fiber-box ONT in my basement utility room. The ONT looks similar to the one in this thread : https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.as...topicid=190686 The fiber connection into this device is done by the service tech. I have one phone line out ; one Cat 6 to my internet router on the main floor ; and one Cat 6 to my TV box. The service provider included a battery back-up, at no cost, so the telephone only will continue to function after a power failure - for emergency calls or to phone the power company. I like the small local provider very much ; the speed and bundle pricing is quite good. John T. Your phone will work as long as there is power to the concentrator up the street and all the others until it gets to the central office, as long as they have power. For all practical purposes there is no POTS anymore, powered by a big battery in the central office. Even old style copper wired phones are still slaves to line powered equipment along the way. That may be true for some newer POTS, IDK. But it's not true for most of the POTS out there, ie the installed base. When they went to what amounts to concentrators to enable the use of T1 lines back to the central office, that eqpt was also backed up with batteries or UPS, etc. If you have service over the old switched telephone system, then it's generally immune from an AC power outage. That was and is it's one big advantage and a major reason why people still keep it. The roll out of DSL changed that. They don't use a T-1, it is fiber. The UPS seems to work about 28 hours, then they need a generator (based on my Irma experience). Somebody actually uses DSL? IDK anyone that has it. Cable is the predominant digital service. Even Verizon has FIOS instead of DSL. Actually I did have it here briefly, ~ 1 mbit for a year or two until they got the cable system going. But I would think the UPS for that would be about the same as it was for voice that used any of the concentrators instead of a direct connection to the CO. In fact my half-assed DSL was a direct connection to the CO, which was several miles. hard wire a satellite signal , nothing faster |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:30:20 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 3:32:42 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:35:39 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 12:19:20 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:18:34 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:51:37 -0500, micky wrote: If one has FIOS or some other fiber-optic phone/internet service, what connects the FIOS box on the wall outside with the FIOS router (or whatever) next to the computer and the inside phone line? Is it Cat-5,6? Fiber-optic cable? 4-conductor phone line like has been used for 80 years (and before that maybe 3-conductor), usually round and white? If I use Cat-6 will it work better? My fiber line runs underground to my house - then the conduit rises above grade and into my house to a fiber-box ONT in my basement utility room. The ONT looks similar to the one in this thread : https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.as...topicid=190686 The fiber connection into this device is done by the service tech. I have one phone line out ; one Cat 6 to my internet router on the main floor ; and one Cat 6 to my TV box. The service provider included a battery back-up, at no cost, so the telephone only will continue to function after a power failure - for emergency calls or to phone the power company. I like the small local provider very much ; the speed and bundle pricing is quite good. John T. Your phone will work as long as there is power to the concentrator up the street and all the others until it gets to the central office, as long as they have power. For all practical purposes there is no POTS anymore, powered by a big battery in the central office. Even old style copper wired phones are still slaves to line powered equipment along the way. That may be true for some newer POTS, IDK. But it's not true for most of the POTS out there, ie the installed base. When they went to what amounts to concentrators to enable the use of T1 lines back to the central office, that eqpt was also backed up with batteries or UPS, etc. If you have service over the old switched telephone system, then it's generally immune from an AC power outage. That was and is it's one big advantage and a major reason why people still keep it. The roll out of DSL changed that. They don't use a T-1, it is fiber. The UPS seems to work about 28 hours, then they need a generator (based on my Irma experience). Somebody actually uses DSL? IDK anyone that has it. Cable is the predominant digital service. Even Verizon has FIOS instead of DSL. Actually I did have it here briefly, ~ 1 mbit for a year or two until they got the cable system going. But I would think the UPS for that would be about the same as it was for voice that used any of the concentrators instead of a direct connection to the CO. In fact my half-assed DSL was a direct connection to the CO, which was several miles. I get 10mb DSL over copper here and that seems to be good enough, certainly better than "advertised" 50mb from Comcast that is down all the time. The box that converts copper to fiber is about a half mile away. |
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"trader_4" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 12:19:20 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:18:34 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:51:37 -0500, micky wrote: If one has FIOS or some other fiber-optic phone/internet service, what connects the FIOS box on the wall outside with the FIOS router (or whatever) next to the computer and the inside phone line? Is it Cat-5,6? Fiber-optic cable? 4-conductor phone line like has been used for 80 years (and before that maybe 3-conductor), usually round and white? If I use Cat-6 will it work better? My fiber line runs underground to my house - then the conduit rises above grade and into my house to a fiber-box ONT in my basement utility room. The ONT looks similar to the one in this thread : https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.as...topicid=190686 The fiber connection into this device is done by the service tech. I have one phone line out ; one Cat 6 to my internet router on the main floor ; and one Cat 6 to my TV box. The service provider included a battery back-up, at no cost, so the telephone only will continue to function after a power failure - for emergency calls or to phone the power company. I like the small local provider very much ; the speed and bundle pricing is quite good. John T. Your phone will work as long as there is power to the concentrator up the street and all the others until it gets to the central office, as long as they have power. For all practical purposes there is no POTS anymore, powered by a big battery in the central office. Even old style copper wired phones are still slaves to line powered equipment along the way. That may be true for some newer POTS, IDK. It is and I do know. But it's not true for most of the POTS out there, ie the installed base. Correct, that had copper back to the central office with no concentrators alone the way and nothing to power. When they went to what amounts to concentrators to enable the use of T1 lines back to the central office, that eqpt was also backed up with batteries or UPS, etc. If you have service over the old switched telephone system, then it's generally immune from an AC power outage. Correct. That was and is it's one big advantage Yes. and a major reason why people still keep it. We dont give them that choice. When the area has fibre to the home added, or VDSL2, the copper connection back to the central office is disconnected and the copper will eventually get ripped out. |
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:25:23 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: We don¢t give them that choice. Who's "we", Ozzie asshole? -- Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rot Speed: "Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it." MID: |
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On 1/16/2019 5:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/16/2019 2:26 PM, Frank wrote: I have Comcast triple play which includes computer, VoIP and TV. I now have Spectrum with the similar package.Â* Waiting for the repair guy right now, in fact.Â* Moved here 27 days ago and this is the 4th (and last) service call. The Caller ID on the TV shows 6 calls today that did not go through.Â* If not fixed this time, my next call will be to Frontier. Overall, Spectrum sucks.Â* I can only record two things at one time and have to watch one.Â* It can not be played in another room once recorded. The internet speeds are good, everything else sucks. I have a great Comcast system for 2 years for about $200/month which includes all the movie channels like HBO, Showtime, and Starz and Netflix, all extended basic channels and top tier internet. Download speeds capable of a gig per minute although best I measured was 500. I have their X1 system with main unit and satellite box on another set where you can DVR up to maybe 6 shows at a time watching another. I have sets in 3 other rooms with HD tuner. X1 system has voice command where you can just mention a channel name and it will tune to it. I hope I can renegotiate and retain it in 2 years. Since we have both Comcast and FIOS access in our neighborhood guy across the street gets lowest cost 2 year deal from either and switches back and forth between the two when he cannot maintain his deal. I could save money but wife would not tolerate having to relearn the different systems with a switch. When I was a kid, all we had was a radio and a party line telephone. Hard to believe all we have today. I was talking to an Indian friend about this and he said when he was a kid they had no electricity or running water. He also said things were peaceful and calm in his village even without these things. |
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In Frank "frank writes:
Since we have both Comcast and FIOS access in our neighborhood guy across the street gets lowest cost 2 year deal from either and switches back and forth between the two when he cannot maintain his deal. I could save money but wife would not tolerate having to relearn the different systems with a switch. Might be worth calling Comcast and telling them, oh, ever so politely, that you love their service but you just got a call from FIOS offering the same options at half the price. They just might, might, give you that "intro" deal. I used to do this with the cableco by telling them about the competing DSL from the telco. This worked back when the speeds were the same, then when cable was up to five and DSL at 3 megs, but the next time around, when cable was at 30, they laughed at me... -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
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On 1/16/2019 7:49 PM, danny burstein wrote:
In Frank "frank writes: Since we have both Comcast and FIOS access in our neighborhood guy across the street gets lowest cost 2 year deal from either and switches back and forth between the two when he cannot maintain his deal. I could save money but wife would not tolerate having to relearn the different systems with a switch. Might be worth calling Comcast and telling them, oh, ever so politely, that you love their service but you just got a call from FIOS offering the same options at half the price. They just might, might, give you that "intro" deal. I used to do this with the cableco by telling them about the competing DSL from the telco. This worked back when the speeds were the same, then when cable was up to five and DSL at 3 megs, but the next time around, when cable was at 30, they laughed at me... We essentially do that but only way to succeed completely is to cancel them and come back as my neighbor does. Too much aggravation for us senior. |
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:49:41 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote: In Frank "frank writes: Since we have both Comcast and FIOS access in our neighborhood guy across the street gets lowest cost 2 year deal from either and switches back and forth between the two when he cannot maintain his deal. I could save money but wife would not tolerate having to relearn the different systems with a switch. Might be worth calling Comcast and telling them, oh, ever so politely, that you love their service but you just got a call from FIOS offering the same options at half the price. They just might, might, give you that "intro" deal. I used to do this with the cableco by telling them about the competing DSL from the telco. This worked back when the speeds were the same, then when cable was up to five and DSL at 3 megs, but the next time around, when cable was at 30, they laughed at me... You just point out that 30 is ****ing ZERO when it is down and cable is down a lot here. My DSL after Irma was back when they dropped a generator at the concentrator. Comcast's hard line was still laying in the grass a week later. No TV, no internet and no phone. the triple threat deal. I already said, my FIL was "Amish" for most of december because Comcast could not fix his cable. |
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On 1/16/19 7:25 PM, Frank wrote:
I have a great Comcast system for 2 years for about $200/month which includes all the movie channels like HBO, Showtime, and Starz and Netflix, all extended basic channels and top tier internet.Â* Download speeds capable of a gig per minute although best I measured was 500.Â* I have their X1 system with main unit and satellite box on another set where you can DVR up to maybe 6 shows at a time watching another.Â* I have sets in 3 other rooms with HD tuner.Â* X1 system has voice command where you can just mention a channel name and it will tune to it.Â* I hope I can renegotiate and retain it in 2 years. Since we have both Comcast and FIOS access in our neighborhood guy across the street gets lowest cost 2 year deal from either and switches back and forth between the two when he cannot maintain his deal.Â* I could save money but wife would not tolerate having to relearn the different systems with a switch. Nice deal! That setup where I'm at would run north of $300 from Comcast. |
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On 1/17/2019 6:36 AM, devnull wrote:
On 1/16/19 7:25 PM, Frank wrote: I have a great Comcast system for 2 years for about $200/month which includes all the movie channels like HBO, Showtime, and Starz and Netflix, all extended basic channels and top tier internet.Â* Download speeds capable of a gig per minute although best I measured was 500. I have their X1 system with main unit and satellite box on another set where you can DVR up to maybe 6 shows at a time watching another.Â* I have sets in 3 other rooms with HD tuner.Â* X1 system has voice command where you can just mention a channel name and it will tune to it.Â* I hope I can renegotiate and retain it in 2 years. Since we have both Comcast and FIOS access in our neighborhood guy across the street gets lowest cost 2 year deal from either and switches back and forth between the two when he cannot maintain his deal.Â* I could save money but wife would not tolerate having to relearn the different systems with a switch. Nice deal!Â* That setup where I'm at would run north of $300 from Comcast. It was negotiated by our eldest son. First thing he did was tell them we were going to quit and went from there. I think another son pays $240 for same deal and I'm sure some negotiation was required. The most annoying thing is having to fight big increases when initial deal runs out. I equate it to buying a car with a fixed monthly payment for the first year and not knowing what payments will be thereafter. When FIOS came to my house Verizon made a tremendous effort to get me to take full service beyond phone. There were the phone calls, the letters and people knocking at the door. They gave me a terrific 3 year offer and I told them I would accept it if I got it for life. |
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On 1/16/19 5:04 PM, % wrote:
[snip] hard wire a satellite signal , nothing faster Latency is often more important than speed. In 2000 I had the first satellite service available here, Starband. Terrible latency. It started bad, got worse, and became largely usable during the 12.5 months of the "agreement". POTS was much better. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law." -- Thomas Paine |
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On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 12:48:10 PM UTC-5, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 1/16/19 5:04 PM, % wrote: [snip] hard wire a satellite signal , nothing faster Latency is often more important than speed. In 2000 I had the first satellite service available here, Starband. Terrible latency. It started bad, got worse, and became largely usable during the 12.5 months of the "agreement". POTS was much better. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ The dingbat is also wrong about "nothing faster". https://www.wirefly.com/compare-inte...e-vs-satellite Satellite internet is significantly slower than cable service. It also has a greater latency interval on average. Download speeds are generally from one to 15 Mbps, with upload speeds of one or two Mbps. Latency can range from 1000 to 2000 milliseconds. Satellite internet has sufficient speed for typical usage like email and web surfing, but high-demand usage like gaming or large video uploads can be extremely difficult. My cable company offers basic service at 25Mbps and offer higher speeds up to 400Mbps and it doesn't have big latency or depend on the weather. |
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