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Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...
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Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...
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I think that's normal in some indictments, plea deals, etc. The prosecution
doesn't want to formally disclose more than necessary because they are still
working on the investigation. It's been in many of these plea dealing,
with people only called one, two, three, etc.


Note the timing of this latest plea, lying about the Trump tower Moscow
dealings. It came just after Trump submitted his written answers to
Mueller. You can bet that on that list are questions about the Trump tower
deal. During the campaign Trump denied having any business dealings with
Russia, except for selling one house to a Russian years ago and hosting
his beauty contest there once. What did he say in the answers to Mueller,
which were under oath? It's going to be hard to say that he can't remember,
when that dealing was either still going on or had just ended, while Trump
was running around in 2016 denying any dealing. If Trump didn't tell the
truth, Mueller has him on a lying charge.
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Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...
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Uh oh, more Trump trouble:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0249dce739c70

Trump Organization Considered Giving Putin The Penthouse In Planned Moscow Tower

€śIf we have Putin in the penthouse every oligarch in Russia would want to live in that building,€ť Felix Sater, a businessman who worked on the project and suggested the idea, told The Washington Post. BuzzFeed News first reported the plan Thursday.
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On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 4:26:50 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...
--
Bod


I think that's normal in some indictments, plea deals, etc. The prosecution
doesn't want to formally disclose more than necessary because they are still
working on the investigation. It's been in many of these plea dealing,
with people only called one, two, three, etc.


Note the timing of this latest plea, lying about the Trump tower Moscow
dealings. It came just after Trump submitted his written answers to
Mueller. You can bet that on that list are questions about the Trump tower
deal. During the campaign Trump denied having any business dealings with
Russia, except for selling one house to a Russian years ago and hosting
his beauty contest there once. What did he say in the answers to Mueller,
which were under oath? It's going to be hard to say that he can't remember,
when that dealing was either still going on or had just ended, while Trump
was running around in 2016 denying any dealing. If Trump didn't tell the
truth, Mueller has him on a lying charge.

Indeed.
Do you think all this Cohen stuff is enough to force the disclosure

of Trump's tax returns?

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On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 4:26:50 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...
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Uh oh, more Trump trouble:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0249dce739c70

Trump Organization Considered Giving Putin The Penthouse In Planned Moscow Tower

€śIf we have Putin in the penthouse every oligarch in Russia would want to live in that building,€ť Felix Sater, a businessman who worked on the project and suggested the idea, told The Washington Post. BuzzFeed News first reported the plan Thursday.

What's that loud ticking noise I can hear?


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On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 11:42:23 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 30/11/2018 15:39, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 4:26:50 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...
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I think that's normal in some indictments, plea deals, etc. The prosecution
doesn't want to formally disclose more than necessary because they are still
working on the investigation. It's been in many of these plea dealing,
with people only called one, two, three, etc.


Note the timing of this latest plea, lying about the Trump tower Moscow
dealings. It came just after Trump submitted his written answers to
Mueller. You can bet that on that list are questions about the Trump tower
deal. During the campaign Trump denied having any business dealings with
Russia, except for selling one house to a Russian years ago and hosting
his beauty contest there once. What did he say in the answers to Mueller,
which were under oath? It's going to be hard to say that he can't remember,
when that dealing was either still going on or had just ended, while Trump
was running around in 2016 denying any dealing. If Trump didn't tell the
truth, Mueller has him on a lying charge.

Indeed.
Do you think all this Cohen stuff is enough to force the disclosure

of Trump's tax returns?

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Interesting question. The new Democrat controlled House can pretty
much subpoena anything they want. This new disclosure, that Trump was
working on a business deal with Russians right before the convention
is certainly more justification for them wanting his tax returns, to
see where his income is really coming from. Obviously he's a major
liar.

But more problematic for Trump than that is that the feds have apparently
got Trump's long time CFO telling them what he knows. He apparently was
snared up in the conspiracy to pay Stormy Daniels. If he's cooperating
then he would know a lot more than you'd find on tax returns.

Another interesting development that got very little news coverage,
the same day Cohen plead guilty, 120 fed agents raided 6 Deutsch Bank
locations. DB has plead guilty to major Russian money laundering,
taking money from Russians, making it clean, in their private banking
side of the business. Trump obtained major money from DB, including,
incredibly, when the same bank was suing him for default on a huge
mortgage loan. While Trump was slugging it out like a shyster does,
accusing DB of causing the 2008/09 recession and filing in court that
DB should pay him a billion, the private banking side of DB loaned Trump
more money to pay off that loan from the commercial side of the bank.
Has anyone ever heard of anything like that?

There are no reports that the raid has anything to do with Trump, only
that it involves money laundering, again. But even if it's money laundering
for some other people, if DB and it's employees are in trouble again
and they know anything about Trump, they could volunteer that up to
bail themselves out. I would not be surprised if that's one intention
of raiding DB.
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On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 4:26:50 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-muellers-case


Here individual two is identified as likely Felix Sater, another real gem.
He was a senior adviser at the Trump Organization, was involved in many
Trump projects, including building the SoHo Hotel


"A childhood friend of Cohen, he was a successful Wall Street broker at 24, was jailed for a year at 27 prison after a brutal bar fight and at 32 he was accused of conspiring with the Mafia to launder money and defraud investors.

Court transcripts show Sater got into an argument with a commodities broker at a bar in 1991. Sater grabbed a large margarita glass, smashed it on the bar and plunged the stem into the right side of the brokers face. The victim suffered nerve damage and 110 stitches to his face.

A federal complaint brought against him in a 1998 money laundering and stock manipulation case was filed in secret and remains under seal. Two years later, he was named as an €śunindicted co-conspirator€ť and key figure in a $40 million scheme involving 19 stockbrokers and organized crime figures from four Mafia families

According to the court filing, Cohen and Sater were still talking about getting approval from the Russian government for the project €śas late as approximately June 2016.€ť

The court filing also reveals that Sater asked Cohen on May 4, 2016, when then-candidate Donald Trump could come to Russia.

Cohen responded that Trump would do so €śonce he becomes the nominee after the convention.€ť The next day, according to the court filing, Sater invited Cohen to travel to St. Petersburg in June to attend a forum as a guest of Russian President Vladmir Putins spokesman. Cohen agreed to go, but the trip never came to fruition."



Aside from the obvious, that Trump was looking for a Trump Tower deal
and was using a felon to negotiate it and was still involved going into
the GOP convention, why is it that Trump is surrounded by so many
criminals? Sater, he was a convicted, mobbed up felon BEFORE Trump
hired him. Quite amazing, isn't it?


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On 30/11/2018 16:22, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 4:26:50 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...
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Uh oh, more Trump trouble:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0249dce739c70

Trump Organization Considered Giving Putin The Penthouse In Planned
Moscow Tower

€śIf we have Putin in the penthouse every oligarch in Russia would want to
live in that building,€ť Felix Sater, a businessman who worked on the
project and suggested the idea, told The Washington Post. BuzzFeed News
first reported the plan Thursday.


What's that loud ticking noise I can hear?


Thats your alarm clock, stupid.

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On 30/11/2018 16:22, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 4:26:50 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...

8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...
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Bod

Uh oh, more Trump trouble:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0249dce739c70


Trump Organization Considered Giving Putin The Penthouse In Planned
Moscow Tower

€śIf we have Putin in the penthouse every oligarch in Russia would
want to live in that building,€ť Felix Sater, a businessman who worked
on the project and suggested the idea, told The Washington Post.
BuzzFeed News first reported the plan Thursday.


What's that loud ticking noise I can hear?


Thats your alarm clock, stupid.


The one that says "lock him up"?
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 14:10:11 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


What's that loud ticking noise I can hear?


That˘s your alarm clock, stupid.


It's most likely your pacemaker he can hear, any time you are about to
infest a thread, senile cretin!

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On 11/30/18 3:26 AM, Bod wrote:
Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...

8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...


He'd be on Twitter whining if he was only Individual 3 or 4.
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On 11/30/18 3:26 AM, Bod wrote:
Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...

8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he
pursued a Moscow Trump ...


Â*Â*Â* He'd be on Twitter whining if he was only Individual 3 or 4.

lol


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On 12/1/2018 4:23 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/30/18 3:26 AM, Bod wrote:
Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...

8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he
pursued a Moscow Trump ...


Â*Â*Â* He'd be on Twitter whining if he was only Individual 3 or 4.


Truly - LOL!
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Here's some good reads about more shystering where the truth is slowly
coming out. A few weeks after Kushner, Flynn, met with the Russian
ambassador in NYC and allegedly sought a "back channel" to Moscow,
there was this mysterious meeting in the Seychelles attended by Erik
Prince and the head of a Russian soverein wealth fund connected to
Putin. Prince denies it was instigated by Trump or team Trump, they
all deny it. Prince says it happened by chance. However the Lebanese/
American who served as an adviser to the Crown Prince of the UAE who
brokered the meeting says that it was at the request of Trump, that
he wanted the USA crown prince to set it up. I see no reason whatever
for the adviser to the crown prince to lie. He involves the crown prince,
Russians, Trump, puts himself in a spot to be killed. If the truth is
as Prince claims, the meeting was by chance, about nothing, why make
this extraordinary claim?

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/7/1708890...helles-mueller

"The New York Timess Mark Mazzetti, David Kirkpatrick, and Adam Goldman reported in March that George Nader €” an adviser to the de facto leader of the United Arab Emirates €” is cooperating with Muellers probe. In a sign of his importance to the investigation, Nader testified before a grand jury.

Thats big because Nader helped organize, and attended, that curious Seychelles meeting on January 11, 2017, shortly before Trumps inauguration. The meeting brought together Erik Prince, Trump donor and founder of the private security company Blackwater, with Kirill Dmitriev, who manages a Russian sovereign wealth fund and is thought to be close to Vladimir Putin."


If true, then a lot of people have lied under oath, including Erik Prince
and likely Trump's family. And what exactly were they up to at this
secret meeting?



And read this, about the kinds of people Trump did business with and where
the money came from for their projects:


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...als-at-bayrock

And according to some people, a Bayrock guy was also at that meeting in
the Seychelles all these years later, just a couple weeks before Trump was inaugurated. Go figure.





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Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as “Individual 1” in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...


I think it's standard for indictments not to name those not indicted. So
people won't assume that those without enough evidence included to be
indicted are guilty of something. In this case Individual one is
described as a candidate for president and other details that make it
clear who it is.


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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:26:44 +0000, Bod
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Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as €śIndividual 1€ť in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...


I think it's standard for indictments not to name those not indicted. So
people won't assume that those without enough evidence included to be
indicted are guilty of something. In this case Individual one is
described as a candidate for president and other details that make it
clear who it is.

So if it's clear who individual 1 is, I don't see the point of not

using the persons name.

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On 03/12/2018 15:15, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:26:44 +0000, Bod
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Why is Trump being referred to as *indivual one* and not his name?

'Individual 1': Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../i...-11e8-80d0-f7e...
8 hours ago - Trump, identified as “Individual 1” in Cohen's guilty
plea, was said to have received direct updates from Cohen as he pursued
a Moscow Trump ...


I think it's standard for indictments not to name those not indicted. So
people won't assume that those without enough evidence included to be
indicted are guilty of something. In this case Individual one is
described as a candidate for president and other details that make it
clear who it is.

So if it's clear who individual 1 is, I don't see the point of not

using the persons name.


Got to follow the rules, and if it's clear who it is, what does it
matter if they name him or not?

Seriously, should they violate their own worthwhile rules just because
it won't make a difference in this case? Just because in this case it's
clear who it is?

There are totally innocent people who get mixed up with criminals but
haven't done anything wrong. Their names should not be announced by a
prosecutor. It's bad enough that reporters often find out who it is and
tell everyone.
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