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Sears gas clothes drier
Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased
a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:43:03 AM UTC-4, philo wrote:
Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. Sounds most likely. Did you see if there was voltage on it when it goes out? I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote:
Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. I'd say $400 for 20 years of use is dang good. I would be curious if any gas line had been opened that allowed air in, reducing pressure. The pressure is already fairly low. Had a new gas water heater not firing or staying ignited. I bled the gas line and quickly connected the supply line. Worked fine. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote:
Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. Sounds more like the thermocouple. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On 08/14/2018 10:49 AM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. I'd say $400 for 20 years of use is dang good. I would be curious if any gas line had been opened that allowed air in, reducing pressure. The pressure is already fairly low. Had a new gas water heater not firing or staying ignited. I bled the gas line and quickly connected the supply line. Worked fine. Logical but nothing here has been changed and the hot water heater and stove all ok. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On 08/14/2018 09:20 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:43:03 AM UTC-4, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. Sounds most likely. Did you see if there was voltage on it when it goes out? No. Not easy to get to. If I was set on fixing it I would check though |
Sears gas clothes drier
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Sears gas clothes drier
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Sears gas clothes drier
Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. I'd say $400 for 20 years of use is dang good. I would be curious if any gas line had been opened that allowed air in, reducing pressure. The pressure is already fairly low. Had a new gas water heater not firing or staying ignited. I bled the gas line and quickly connected the supply line. Worked fine. Logical but nothing here has been changed and the hot water heater and stove all ok. My 25 + year old propane dryer is still working fine after only one service call about 12 years ago for a new part - I forget what it was - sorry - but was only about $ 50. I would be very tempted to repair it again - unless the serviceman advised strongly against it - to avoid the computerization and planned obsolescence of most newer appliances. Let us know in 7 or 8 years what you think of your new unit. John T. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 2:56:58 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:56:09 -0500, philo wrote: On 08/14/2018 11:35 AM, wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. Sounds more like the thermocouple. I'd have to do more disassembly to get to that. I am curious but not quite curious enough to disassemble the drier any more. Set it on the curb and forget about it then ;-) U R just Bee-Ing a smart-alec BEE-ACH! ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Smarty Monster |
Sears gas clothes drier
On 8/14/18 11:49 AM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. I'd say $400 for 20 years of use is dang good. I would be curious if any gas line had been opened that allowed air in, reducing pressure. The pressure is already fairly low. Had a new gas water heater not firing or staying ignited. I bled the gas line and quickly connected the supply line. Worked fine. How does one bleed a gas line? -- I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood? - Fran Lebowitz |
Sears gas clothes drier
On 8/14/2018 6:42 AM, philo wrote:
Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. Possibly a plugged burner jet. Can you smell gas at the exhaust when it should be igniting? |
Sears gas clothes drier
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 5:42:44 PM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 8/14/18 11:49 AM, Oren wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. I'd say $400 for 20 years of use is dang good. I would be curious if any gas line had been opened that allowed air in, reducing pressure. The pressure is already fairly low. Had a new gas water heater not firing or staying ignited. I bled the gas line and quickly connected the supply line. Worked fine. How does one bleed a gas line? -- Turn off the gas where it connects to the appliance, loosen the connection at the appliance. Turn the gas back on and blow the air out of the gas line.. Turn off the gas, tighten the connection back up then turn the gas back on. If you've done it correctly, you have bled the air out of the gas line. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Bloody Monster |
Sears gas clothes drier
On 8/14/18 7:26 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 5:42:44 PM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote: On 8/14/18 11:49 AM, Oren wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. I'd say $400 for 20 years of use is dang good. I would be curious if any gas line had been opened that allowed air in, reducing pressure. The pressure is already fairly low. Had a new gas water heater not firing or staying ignited. I bled the gas line and quickly connected the supply line. Worked fine. How does one bleed a gas line? -- Turn off the gas where it connects to the appliance, loosen the connection at the appliance. Turn the gas back on and blow the air out of the gas line. Turn off the gas, tighten the connection back up then turn the gas back on. If you've done it correctly, you have bled the air out of the gas line. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Bloody Monster Oh, I thought there was some valve or other. Seems to me though if you blow the air out of the line through the loosened connection then turn the gas off prior to re-tightening the connection, air will get back in the line. No? -- The fastest way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 6:51:14 PM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 8/14/18 7:26 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 5:42:44 PM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote: On 8/14/18 11:49 AM, Oren wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. I'd say $400 for 20 years of use is dang good. I would be curious if any gas line had been opened that allowed air in, reducing pressure. The pressure is already fairly low. Had a new gas water heater not firing or staying ignited. I bled the gas line and quickly connected the supply line. Worked fine. How does one bleed a gas line? -- Turn off the gas where it connects to the appliance, loosen the connection at the appliance. Turn the gas back on and blow the air out of the gas line. Turn off the gas, tighten the connection back up then turn the gas back on. If you've done it correctly, you have bled the air out of the gas line. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Bloody Monster Oh, I thought there was some valve or other. Seems to me though if you blow the air out of the line through the loosened connection then turn the gas off prior to re-tightening the connection, air will get back in the line. No? -- That's why you don't take the line off and only loosen it. The tiny amount of air that may get back in the line won't be a problem. Once the pilot is burning properly or the main gas valve opens up to light off the burners, the tiny amount of air will be gone. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Airy Monster |
Sears gas clothes drier
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:51:10 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:
Seems to me though if you blow the air out of the line through the loosened connection then turn the gas off prior to re-tightening the connection, air will get back in the line. No? No. Like "bleeding" anything else, you're dealing with a positive pressure against atmospheric pressure. The atmospheric can't overcome the positive. But I've never had to "bleed" air out of natural gas lines. The appliance does that. A 20 year old dryer probably has a pilot light. That's connected at the gas valve, so lighting the pilot serves to bleed out the gas line when it's been disconnected. With more modern dryers, a few repeated lighting cycles will do the same. |
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Sears gas clothes drier
On 8/14/2018 2:56 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:56:09 -0500, philo wrote: On 08/14/2018 11:35 AM, wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. Sounds more like the thermocouple. I'd have to do more disassembly to get to that. I am curious but not quite curious enough to disassemble the drier any more. Set it on the curb and forget about it then ;-) I'd need help to get it out of the basement, they will haul it away for $20 Delivery is free |
Sears gas clothes drier
On 8/14/2018 6:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/14/2018 6:42 AM, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. Possibly a plugged burner jet. Can you smell gas at the exhaust when it should be igniting? I do not smell gas because the ignitor is working |
Sears gas clothes drier
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 2:44:23 AM UTC-4, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:51:10 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote: Seems to me though if you blow the air out of the line through the loosened connection then turn the gas off prior to re-tightening the connection, air will get back in the line. No? No. Like "bleeding" anything else, you're dealing with a positive pressure against atmospheric pressure. The atmospheric can't overcome the positive. But I've never had to "bleed" air out of natural gas lines. The appliance does that. A 20 year old dryer probably has a pilot light. That's connected at the gas valve, so lighting the pilot serves to bleed out the gas line when it's been disconnected. Except that you can't light the pilot light until the air comes out of the line first. If it's 50 ft of 1" pipe that was worked on, that could take awhile and if you're a plumber, the customer isn't going to like you sitting there with your butt crack showing for hours, running up the bill. For a homeowner, I guess if you want to wait and monitor it, the gas will eventually get there. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:25:09 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 2:44:23 AM UTC-4, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:51:10 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote: Seems to me though if you blow the air out of the line through the loosened connection then turn the gas off prior to re-tightening the connection, air will get back in the line. No? No. Like "bleeding" anything else, you're dealing with a positive pressure against atmospheric pressure. The atmospheric can't overcome the positive. But I've never had to "bleed" air out of natural gas lines. The appliance does that. A 20 year old dryer probably has a pilot light. That's connected at the gas valve, so lighting the pilot serves to bleed out the gas line when it's been disconnected. Except that you can't light the pilot light until the air comes out of the line first. If it's 50 ft of 1" pipe that was worked on, that could take awhile and if you're a plumber, the customer isn't going to like you sitting there with your butt crack showing for hours, running up the bill. For a homeowner, I guess if you want to wait and monitor it, the gas will eventually get there. I know it was almost a half century ago but when the "gas man" did the initial start up of our house he used a propane torch to trick up the thermocouple and set the furnace to come on. The main burner valve opened and a few seconds later the thing lit, same with the water heater. The range did not monitor the pilot light so that was even easier. He just turned a burner and waited until he smelled gas and lit it with a match. This was with empty pipe all the way to the regulator/meter outside, maybe even to the street. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On 8/14/18 8:01 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 6:51:14 PM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote: On 8/14/18 7:26 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 5:42:44 PM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote: On 8/14/18 11:49 AM, Oren wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. I'd say $400 for 20 years of use is dang good. I would be curious if any gas line had been opened that allowed air in, reducing pressure. The pressure is already fairly low. Had a new gas water heater not firing or staying ignited. I bled the gas line and quickly connected the supply line. Worked fine. How does one bleed a gas line? -- Turn off the gas where it connects to the appliance, loosen the connection at the appliance. Turn the gas back on and blow the air out of the gas line. Turn off the gas, tighten the connection back up then turn the gas back on. If you've done it correctly, you have bled the air out of the gas line. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Bloody Monster Oh, I thought there was some valve or other. Seems to me though if you blow the air out of the line through the loosened connection then turn the gas off prior to re-tightening the connection, air will get back in the line. No? -- That's why you don't take the line off and only loosen it. The tiny amount of air that may get back in the line won't be a problem. Once the pilot is burning properly or the main gas valve opens up to light off the burners, the tiny amount of air will be gone. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Airy Monster Maybe better to tighten the connection while the gas is still on? No air gets in that way. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 18:42:38 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote: On 8/14/18 11:49 AM, Oren wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:42:58 -0500, philo wrote: Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. I'd say $400 for 20 years of use is dang good. I would be curious if any gas line had been opened that allowed air in, reducing pressure. The pressure is already fairly low. Had a new gas water heater not firing or staying ignited. I bled the gas line and quickly connected the supply line. Worked fine. How does one bleed a gas line? Perhaps "purging" (bleeding) is a better choice of words. I disconnect, entirely, the yellow flex line from the appliance side after the pipe valve is closed. Then open the valve until I smell the stink. Turn off the supply valve and connect the flex line. Something I've only had to do once before. My local gas utility changed out a home gas meter (next door) and did not go inside to light pilot lights. Wish I'd had watched it. It was done from the outside so you didn't have to be home. Interesting. |
Sears gas clothes drier
On 08/14/2018 06:26 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
[snip] Turn off the gas where it connects to the appliance, loosen the connection at the appliance. Turn the gas back on and blow the air out of the gas line. Turn off the gas, tighten the connection back up then turn the gas back on. If you've done it correctly, you have bled the air out of the gas line. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Bloody Monster I got to see that when I had the gas company out to check the regulator, then had to get the air out of the line to the water heater. You couldn't see gas coming out, but it made a very loud whistle. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Nothing could be more anti-Biblical than letting women vote." [Editorial, Harper's Magazine, November 1853] |
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On 08/15/2018 12:18 PM, Oren wrote:
[snip] My local gas utility changed out a home gas meter (next door) and did not go inside to light pilot lights. Wish I'd had watched it. It was done from the outside so you didn't have to be home. Interesting. I saw a gas meter changed once. They didn't cut off the supply. There's so little pressure it's not hard to get the new meter on. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Nothing could be more anti-Biblical than letting women vote." [Editorial, Harper's Magazine, November 1853] |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:22:09 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote: On 08/15/2018 12:18 PM, Oren wrote: [snip] My local gas utility changed out a home gas meter (next door) and did not go inside to light pilot lights. Wish I'd had watched it. It was done from the outside so you didn't have to be home. Interesting. I saw a gas meter changed once. They didn't cut off the supply. There's so little pressure it's not hard to get the new meter on. We hit a line with a back hoe once. It is kind of exciting and there is a bit of pressure in there. |
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Sears gas clothes drier
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:52:12 -0400, Jack wrote:
On 8/15/2018 7:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:22:09 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 08/15/2018 12:18 PM, Oren wrote: [snip] My local gas utility changed out a home gas meter (next door) and did not go inside to light pilot lights. Wish I'd had watched it. It was done from the outside so you didn't have to be home. Interesting. I saw a gas meter changed once. They didn't cut off the supply. There's so little pressure it's not hard to get the new meter on. We hit a line with a back hoe once. It is kind of exciting and there is a bit of pressure in there. Hitting a gas line is embarrassing, I felt so stupid when the gas company repair crew pulled up.Â* All the neighbors came out to watch.Â* It's also expensive. We got away with. "Miss Dig" said it was 36" down, it was more like 6". I told them I could have hit that with a lawn edger and they backed off. It was pretty exciting tho. There wasn't a place to park on my block. |
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On 08/14/2018 08:42 AM, philo wrote:
Due to several problems and the fact that it's 20 years old I purchased a new clothes drier. Kind of curious though as what the problem is with the old one. I do my own repairs and this one stumped me. The gas only comes on intermittently. I can see the igniter glowing but most of the time, there is no gas present. Sometimes it will ignite but after a few minutes goes out again. The timer and thermal breakers all check ok. I'm thinking it must be the solenoid that actually turns the gas on. I did not think it worth investigating because half the time the drum sticks...I got my $400 worth. I was just commenting to my wife how convenient it is to shop on-line. The new dryer was purchased without me having to leave the house. Now I don't know what will happen as my card was hacked during the transaction. Since the transaction went through my guess is there is some dishonest employee at the store's headquarters. Anyway the transaction went through but was never posted to my card. However, several bogus transactions were posted at that time. My credit card company immediately cancelled my card, reversed the transactions and issued a new card. Guess I will wait an see what the store does. I still do not want to fool around with my old dryer though. The entire front needs to be removed to get at the gas assembly. My previous Sears dryer which was almost identical had an access door. |
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