On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:07:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:14:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/23/2018 08:51 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_c...ified_pins.svg


I see 25 of them. 25!!!

Most of which aren't in common use.
In residential use you only see Nema 5-15 and 5-20, with a 14-30
for the drier and 14-50 for the kitchen range.
The 5-15 and 5-20 are downward compatible

So you have 4 and we have 1. We win.

Hang on, you can connect a 15A device into a 20A receptacle, thereby having it fused incorrectly?

And what about all the 2pin and 3pin options? I thought you could have either, or is that France?

The L versions are used in industrial and some commercial use.

All the rest are specialty and industrial. By specialty I mean things
like connecting travel trailers to power at travel parks etc.

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:03:41 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:07:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:14:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/23/2018 08:51 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_c...ified_pins.svg


I see 25 of them. 25!!!

Most of which aren't in common use.
In residential use you only see Nema 5-15 and 5-20, with a 14-30
for the drier and 14-50 for the kitchen range.
The 5-15 and 5-20 are downward compatible

So you have 4 and we have 1. We win.

Hang on, you can connect a 15A device into a 20A receptacle, thereby having it fused incorrectly?

All of our 15a 120v equipment is listed to plug into 15 or 20 a
circuits. The only reason they have a separate 20a plug is for things
that draw more than 15a. They are actually pretty rare, virtually
everything has a 15a plug on it.

And what about all the 2pin and 3pin options? I thought you could have either, or is that France?

You can obviously plug a 2 pin plug into a 3 pin outlet.


The L versions are used in industrial and some commercial use.

All the rest are specialty and industrial. By specialty I mean things
like connecting travel trailers to power at travel parks etc.

If the sword man got out much he would understand once you get into
industrial locations there are lots of different plugs. Computer
equipment in Europe uses all the same plugs as we do these days. The
IEC 309 (big stuff) and IEC 13/14 (small stuff) has become pretty much
standard. Once you get away from the line cord, there are lots of
different plugs used on individual pieces of equipment. When IBM ships
overseas the only thing we change is the plug on wall end of the line
cord.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:53:00 -0400, , the mentally
challenged, notorious, troll-feeding retard, blabbered again:


If the sword man got out much he would understand once you get into
industrial locations there are lots of different plugs. Computer
equipment in Europe uses all the same plugs as we do these days. The
IEC 309 (big stuff) and IEC 13/14 (small stuff) has become pretty much
standard. Once you get away from the line cord, there are lots of
different plugs used on individual pieces of equipment. When IBM ships
overseas the only thing we change is the plug on wall end of the line
cord.

Just what kind of a sick retard are you, senile cocksucking Yankietard? Eh?

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:03:41 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:07:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:14:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/23/2018 08:51 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_c...ified_pins.svg


I see 25 of them. 25!!!

Most of which aren't in common use.
In residential use you only see Nema 5-15 and 5-20, with a 14-30
for the drier and 14-50 for the kitchen range.
The 5-15 and 5-20 are downward compatible

So you have 4 and we have 1. We win.

No, there is only one that's used for portable appliances.

Hang on, you can connect a 15A device into a 20A receptacle, thereby having it fused incorrectly?

It feeds just fine. 15A 20A, idjit!

And what about all the 2pin and 3pin options? I thought you could have either, or is that France?

2-pin connectors have long been deprecated.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 21:09:54 -0400, , the brain-damaged,
troll-feeding cretin, blabbered again:


2-pin connectors have long been deprecated.

So, for how long are you still going to go on like that, you retarded,
senile piece of Yankie ****?

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:53:00 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:03:41 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:07:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:14:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/23/2018 08:51 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_c...ified_pins.svg


I see 25 of them. 25!!!

Most of which aren't in common use.
In residential use you only see Nema 5-15 and 5-20, with a 14-30
for the drier and 14-50 for the kitchen range.
The 5-15 and 5-20 are downward compatible

So you have 4 and we have 1. We win.

Hang on, you can connect a 15A device into a 20A receptacle, thereby having it fused incorrectly?

All of our 15a 120v equipment is listed to plug into 15 or 20 a
circuits. The only reason they have a separate 20a plug is for things
that draw more than 15a. They are actually pretty rare, virtually
everything has a 15a plug on it.

But you're plugging a 15A plug into a 20A socket, with 20A protection....

And what about all the 2pin and 3pin options? I thought you could have either, or is that France?

You can obviously plug a 2 pin plug into a 3 pin outlet.

Yet more complications.

The L versions are used in industrial and some commercial use.

All the rest are specialty and industrial. By specialty I mean things
like connecting travel trailers to power at travel parks etc.

If the sword man got out much he would understand once you get into
industrial locations there are lots of different plugs. Computer
equipment in Europe uses all the same plugs as we do these days. The
IEC 309 (big stuff) and IEC 13/14 (small stuff) has become pretty much
standard. Once you get away from the line cord, there are lots of
different plugs used on individual pieces of equipment. When IBM ships
overseas the only thing we change is the plug on wall end of the line
cord.

I wasn't talking about industry.

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Blue means not pregnant.
Pink means pregnant.
Brown means you had it in the wrong hole.

On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:23:56 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:53:00 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:03:41 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:07:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:14:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/23/2018 08:51 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_c...ified_pins.svg


I see 25 of them. 25!!!

Most of which aren't in common use.
In residential use you only see Nema 5-15 and 5-20, with a 14-30
for the drier and 14-50 for the kitchen range.
The 5-15 and 5-20 are downward compatible

So you have 4 and we have 1. We win.

Hang on, you can connect a 15A device into a 20A receptacle, thereby having it fused incorrectly?

All of our 15a 120v equipment is listed to plug into 15 or 20 a
circuits. The only reason they have a separate 20a plug is for things
that draw more than 15a. They are actually pretty rare, virtually
everything has a 15a plug on it.

But you're plugging a 15A plug into a 20A socket, with 20A protection....

So? The equipment is designed to run on either ... less complication,
not more

And what about all the 2pin and 3pin options? I thought you could have either, or is that France?

You can obviously plug a 2 pin plug into a 3 pin outlet.

Yet more complications.

The L versions are used in industrial and some commercial use.

All the rest are specialty and industrial. By specialty I mean things
like connecting travel trailers to power at travel parks etc.

If the sword man got out much he would understand once you get into
industrial locations there are lots of different plugs. Computer
equipment in Europe uses all the same plugs as we do these days. The
IEC 309 (big stuff) and IEC 13/14 (small stuff) has become pretty much
standard. Once you get away from the line cord, there are lots of
different plugs used on individual pieces of equipment. When IBM ships
overseas the only thing we change is the plug on wall end of the line
cord.

I wasn't talking about industry.

Then stop pointing to industrial plug catalogs. Virtually every socket
in a dwelling will be a NEMA 5-15 and virtually everything will plug
into it.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:10:31 -0400, , the mentally
challenged, notorious, troll-feeding retard, blabbered again:


Then stop pointing to industrial plug catalogs.

He will do what he wants to do with you senile Yankietards. And he will
sling you around as often as he wants. Yes, you ARE that dumb! BG

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:10:31 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:23:56 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:53:00 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:03:41 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:07:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:14:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/23/2018 08:51 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_c...ified_pins.svg


I see 25 of them. 25!!!

Most of which aren't in common use.
In residential use you only see Nema 5-15 and 5-20, with a 14-30
for the drier and 14-50 for the kitchen range.
The 5-15 and 5-20 are downward compatible

So you have 4 and we have 1. We win.

Hang on, you can connect a 15A device into a 20A receptacle, thereby having it fused incorrectly?

All of our 15a 120v equipment is listed to plug into 15 or 20 a
circuits. The only reason they have a separate 20a plug is for things
that draw more than 15a. They are actually pretty rare, virtually
everything has a 15a plug on it.

But you're plugging a 15A plug into a 20A socket, with 20A protection....

So what - the fuse is to protect the WIRING - NOT the device.
The device generally carries it's own protection if required.

Unlike inbred scotsmen, most of us know enough to release the switch
if we overload a hand tool like a saw or grinder to prevent letting
the magic smoke out.

So? The equipment is designed to run on either ... less complication,
not more

And what about all the 2pin and 3pin options? I thought you could have either, or is that France?

Double Insulated devices use 2 pin polarized non grounded cords.
Other devices use 3 wire grounded cords.

2 wire plugs fit 3 wire outlets.
2 wire outlets are basically history - only used in very specific
applications - usually on devices - - or things like "isolated"
shaver outlets in bathrooms - no longer allowed for regular
residential wiring.


You can obviously plug a 2 pin plug into a 3 pin outlet.

Yet more complications.

I call that "simplification" - nor "complication"

The L versions are used in industrial and some commercial use.

All the rest are specialty and industrial. By specialty I mean things
like connecting travel trailers to power at travel parks etc.

If the sword man got out much he would understand once you get into
industrial locations there are lots of different plugs. Computer
equipment in Europe uses all the same plugs as we do these days. The
IEC 309 (big stuff) and IEC 13/14 (small stuff) has become pretty much
standard. Once you get away from the line cord, there are lots of
different plugs used on individual pieces of equipment. When IBM ships
overseas the only thing we change is the plug on wall end of the line
cord.

I wasn't talking about industry.

Then stop pointing to industrial plug catalogs. Virtually every socket
in a dwelling will be a NEMA 5-15 and virtually everything will plug
into it.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:17:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:10:31 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:23:56 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:53:00 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:03:41 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:07:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:14:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/23/2018 08:51 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_c...ified_pins.svg


I see 25 of them. 25!!!

Most of which aren't in common use.
In residential use you only see Nema 5-15 and 5-20, with a 14-30
for the drier and 14-50 for the kitchen range.
The 5-15 and 5-20 are downward compatible

So you have 4 and we have 1. We win.

Hang on, you can connect a 15A device into a 20A receptacle, thereby having it fused incorrectly?

All of our 15a 120v equipment is listed to plug into 15 or 20 a
circuits. The only reason they have a separate 20a plug is for things
that draw more than 15a. They are actually pretty rare, virtually
everything has a 15a plug on it.

But you're plugging a 15A plug into a 20A socket, with 20A protection....

So what - the fuse is to protect the WIRING - NOT the device.
The device generally carries it's own protection if required.

But since there's no fuse in the plug, the only thing protecting the WIRE to the device is the 20A fuse at the fusebox. Since it's a 15A device, it doesn't have a 20A wire.

Unlike inbred scotsmen, most of us know enough to release the switch
if we overload a hand tool like a saw or grinder to prevent letting
the magic smoke out.

How quick are your reactions? The average person is a third to half a second. WAY too long to stop a motor being damaged by a jam. And anyway, if you work a tool just a little bit too hard, you don't know it until you see the smoke.

So? The equipment is designed to run on either ... less complication,
not more

And what about all the 2pin and 3pin options? I thought you could have either, or is that France?

Double Insulated devices use 2 pin polarized non grounded cords.
Other devices use 3 wire grounded cords.

It take it there's no shutters on your sockets then?

2 wire plugs fit 3 wire outlets.
2 wire outlets are basically history - only used in very specific
applications - usually on devices - - or things like "isolated"
shaver outlets in bathrooms - no longer allowed for regular
residential wiring.

Why all this "allowed" nonsense? It's your house, you do what you like. I've got a 2 pin shaver socket with an adapter to plug 3 pin devices into it. They work fine without the ground.

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He overdosed on indigestion liquid.
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On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:08:53 AM UTC-4, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:17:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:10:31 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:23:56 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:53:00 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:03:41 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:07:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:14:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/23/2018 08:51 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_c...ified_pins.svg


I see 25 of them. 25!!!

Most of which aren't in common use.
In residential use you only see Nema 5-15 and 5-20, with a 14-30
for the drier and 14-50 for the kitchen range.
The 5-15 and 5-20 are downward compatible

So you have 4 and we have 1. We win.

Hang on, you can connect a 15A device into a 20A receptacle, thereby having it fused incorrectly?

All of our 15a 120v equipment is listed to plug into 15 or 20 a
circuits. The only reason they have a separate 20a plug is for things
that draw more than 15a. They are actually pretty rare, virtually
everything has a 15a plug on it.

But you're plugging a 15A plug into a 20A socket, with 20A protection....

So what - the fuse is to protect the WIRING - NOT the device.
The device generally carries it's own protection if required.

But since there's no fuse in the plug, the only thing protecting the WIRE to the device is the 20A fuse at the fusebox. Since it's a 15A device, it doesn't have a 20A wire.

Unlike inbred scotsmen, most of us know enough to release the switch
if we overload a hand tool like a saw or grinder to prevent letting
the magic smoke out.

How quick are your reactions? The average person is a third to half a second. WAY too long to stop a motor being damaged by a jam.

Obviously you have little experience with hand-held power tools.



And anyway, if you work a tool just a little bit too hard, you don't know it until you see the smoke.


See above.




So? The equipment is designed to run on either ... less complication,
not more

And what about all the 2pin and 3pin options? I thought you could have either, or is that France?

Double Insulated devices use 2 pin polarized non grounded cords.
Other devices use 3 wire grounded cords.

It take it there's no shutters on your sockets then?

2 wire plugs fit 3 wire outlets.
2 wire outlets are basically history - only used in very specific
applications - usually on devices - - or things like "isolated"
shaver outlets in bathrooms - no longer allowed for regular
residential wiring.

Why all this "allowed" nonsense? It's your house, you do what you like.


This from the stupid ****** who's trying to tell us how to do things.



I've got a 2 pin shaver socket with an adapter to plug 3 pin devices into it. They work fine without the ground.


They work fine without the ground as long as there is no fault.
If there is a fault, then without the ground on an appliance expecting
one, you can be electrocuted. Why
don't you go try it? The correct adapter has a short ground wire
that is supposed to be connected via screw to the receptacle, though
few people do that. Even that may be of no value, you could have an
old box with no ground at the box.

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT), tardo_4, the notorious,
troll-feeding Yankietard, driveled again:

This from the stupid ****** who's trying to tell us how to do things.

This from the stupid ****** who's trying to talk sense into a stupid ******!
LOL

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:37:55 +0100, trader_4 wrote:

On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:08:53 AM UTC-4, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:17:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:10:31 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:23:56 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:53:00 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:03:41 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:07:21 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:14:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 04/23/2018 08:51 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_c...ified_pins.svg


I see 25 of them. 25!!!

Most of which aren't in common use.
In residential use you only see Nema 5-15 and 5-20, with a 14-30
for the drier and 14-50 for the kitchen range.
The 5-15 and 5-20 are downward compatible

So you have 4 and we have 1. We win.

Hang on, you can connect a 15A device into a 20A receptacle, thereby having it fused incorrectly?

All of our 15a 120v equipment is listed to plug into 15 or 20 a
circuits. The only reason they have a separate 20a plug is for things
that draw more than 15a. They are actually pretty rare, virtually
everything has a 15a plug on it.

But you're plugging a 15A plug into a 20A socket, with 20A protection....

So what - the fuse is to protect the WIRING - NOT the device.
The device generally carries it's own protection if required.

But since there's no fuse in the plug, the only thing protecting the WIRE to the device is the 20A fuse at the fusebox. Since it's a 15A device, it doesn't have a 20A wire.

Unlike inbred scotsmen, most of us know enough to release the switch
if we overload a hand tool like a saw or grinder to prevent letting
the magic smoke out.

How quick are your reactions? The average person is a third to half a second. WAY too long to stop a motor being damaged by a jam.

Obviously you have little experience with hand-held power tools.

That magically changes your reaction speed and makes it better than every one else does it?

And anyway, if you work a tool just a little bit too hard, you don't know it until you see the smoke.

See above.

If you need X cutting in half, you do it with the tool you have available. A tool should be designed to refuse to cut it, not kill itself attempting to do so.

So? The equipment is designed to run on either ... less complication,
not more

And what about all the 2pin and 3pin options? I thought you could have either, or is that France?

Double Insulated devices use 2 pin polarized non grounded cords.
Other devices use 3 wire grounded cords.

It take it there's no shutters on your sockets then?

2 wire plugs fit 3 wire outlets.
2 wire outlets are basically history - only used in very specific
applications - usually on devices - - or things like "isolated"
shaver outlets in bathrooms - no longer allowed for regular
residential wiring.

Why all this "allowed" nonsense? It's your house, you do what you like.

This from the stupid ****** who's trying to tell us how to do things.

I do what's sensible, not what the law tells me to. Some people can think for themselves.

I've got a 2 pin shaver socket with an adapter to plug 3 pin devices into it. They work fine without the ground.

They work fine without the ground as long as there is no fault.
If there is a fault, then without the ground on an appliance expecting
one, you can be electrocuted. Why
don't you go try it? The correct adapter has a short ground wire
that is supposed to be connected via screw to the receptacle, though
few people do that. Even that may be of no value, you could have an
old box with no ground at the box.

Who gives a ****? You only need live and neutral to power a device. Earth is for girls.

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Customer explaining flooded car to insurance claim investigator:
"It didn't look that deep at first glance - it only came half way up the ducks."