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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Heaven help the world after Brexit with Boris in charge and this kind of forward creative thinking. We're gonna be 'Yuge'. UK UK UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43046142 Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. -- p-0.0-h the cat Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat, Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, ******* hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy, Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath, the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infme, the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll, shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook, smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag, liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up chav, lycanthropic schizotypal lesbian, the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball. NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery. By Appointment to God Frank-Lin. Signature integrity check md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896 I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Heaven help the world after Brexit with Boris in charge and this kind of forward creative thinking. We're gonna be 'Yuge'. UK UK UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43046142 Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. Our lad's already been doing times tables test for the last year and a half, and he still forgets them :-) Too many other distractions in a kid's life, these days. Having said that, if someone were to ask me what 6 * 7 is, I'd still have to go 6 * 6 = 36, and then add 6. Same for 7 * 8. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 14 Feb 2018, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote
(in ): Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Someone who has never heard of computers or calculators, so probably Ye Olde Rees Mogg. Heaven help the world after Brexit with Boris in charge and this kind of forward creative thinking. We're gonna be 'Yuge'. UK UK UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43046142 Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:59:31 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote:
p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote: Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Heaven help the world after Brexit with Boris in charge and this kind of forward creative thinking. We're gonna be 'Yuge'. UK UK UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43046142 Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. Our lad's already been doing times tables test for the last year and a half, and he still forgets them :-) Too many other distractions in a kid's life, these days. Having said that, if someone were to ask me what 6 * 7 is, I'd still have to go 6 * 6 = 36, and then add 6. Same for 7 * 8. Playing darts sharpened me up. Of course nowadays they would have to provide a safe space and a non competitive environment for learning. I still feel the need for therapy 40 years later. #mepoohdartsrecovery Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. -- p-0.0-h the cat Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat, Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, ******* hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy, Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath, the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infme, the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll, shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook, smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag, liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up chav, lycanthropic schizotypal lesbian, the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball. NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery. By Appointment to God Frank-Lin. Signature integrity check md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896 I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 14 Feb 2018, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote
(in ): On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:59:31 +0000, "Dan S. wrote: p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote: Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Heaven help the world after Brexit with Boris in charge and this kind of forward creative thinking. We're gonna be 'Yuge'. UK UK UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43046142 Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. Our lad's already been doing times tables test for the last year and a half, and he still forgets them :-) Too many other distractions in a kid's life, these days. Having said that, if someone were to ask me what 6 * 7 is, I'd still have to go 6 * 6 = 36, and then add 6. Same for 7 * 8. Playing darts sharpened me up. Of course nowadays they would have to provide a safe space and a non competitive environment for learning. I still feel the need for therapy 40 years later. #mepoohdartsrecovery Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. Yes, I am always amazed at the way professional darts players can almost instantly re-calculate the double they need when the previous dart has landed in the wrong bed. I suppose that because they are practicing for hours every day, it is just second nature to them. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
johnny-knowall wrote:
On 14 Feb 2018, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote (in ): Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Someone who has never heard of computers or calculators, so probably Ye Olde Rees Mogg. I used to think there was an assumption that kids are better off learning to use calculators these days, but our lad regularly has times tables excercises in his homework (and we certainly didn't have homework from the age of 5 when I was a lad), to be tested the week after. Trouble is, by the time he's got to 12 (again), he's forgotten the 7. To my mind, a national test most likely has the purpose of identifying schools that make little effort to teach tables, when compared to the average; IOW, that they are sticking to the curriculum. Schools will already know, I think, which children have parents that are not equipped or motivated to do those elements of teaching that are expected to be done at home. Childhood isn't what it used to be. Heaven help the world after Brexit with Boris in charge and this kind of forward creative thinking. We're gonna be 'Yuge'. UK UK UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43046142 Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:59:31 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote: Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Heaven help the world after Brexit with Boris in charge and this kind of forward creative thinking. We're gonna be 'Yuge'. UK UK UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43046142 Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. Our lad's already been doing times tables test for the last year and a half, and he still forgets them :-) Too many other distractions in a kid's life, these days. Having said that, if someone were to ask me what 6 * 7 is, I'd still have to go 6 * 6 = 36, and then add 6. Same for 7 * 8. Playing darts sharpened me up. Of course nowadays they would have to provide a safe space and a non competitive environment for learning. I still feel the need for therapy 40 years later. #mepoohdartsrecovery Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. My dad can do that. Tell you what you need to finish, each time you hit the wrong numbers (I'm hopeless at darts). The idea of having a dartboard in the classroom is an interesting one :-) Seems unlikely these days. I know you didn't mean that, but the thought of it made me laugh. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:33:41 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote:
p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:59:31 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote: Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Heaven help the world after Brexit with Boris in charge and this kind of forward creative thinking. We're gonna be 'Yuge'. UK UK UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43046142 Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. Our lad's already been doing times tables test for the last year and a half, and he still forgets them :-) Too many other distractions in a kid's life, these days. Having said that, if someone were to ask me what 6 * 7 is, I'd still have to go 6 * 6 = 36, and then add 6. Same for 7 * 8. Playing darts sharpened me up. Of course nowadays they would have to provide a safe space and a non competitive environment for learning. I still feel the need for therapy 40 years later. #mepoohdartsrecovery Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. My dad can do that. Tell you what you need to finish, each time you hit the wrong numbers (I'm hopeless at darts). The idea of having a dartboard in the classroom is an interesting one :-) Seems unlikely these days. I know you didn't mean that, but the thought of it made me laugh. I'm not sure repetition is what they should be teaching. Personally, I know I lack the foundation skills of how to solve mathematical problems and hence I work much harder when I have to do something like that than I would do [I'm a programmer] if I had been taught those skills. The times table stuff was dying when I was at school. It doesn't strike me as being close to what kids nowadays need going forward into the future. Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. -- p-0.0-h the cat Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat, Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, ******* hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy, Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath, the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infme, the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll, shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook, smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag, liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up chav, lycanthropic schizotypal lesbian, the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball. NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery. By Appointment to God Frank-Lin. Signature integrity check md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896 I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:33:41 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:59:31 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote: Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Heaven help the world after Brexit with Boris in charge and this kind of forward creative thinking. We're gonna be 'Yuge'. UK UK UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43046142 Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. Our lad's already been doing times tables test for the last year and a half, and he still forgets them :-) Too many other distractions in a kid's life, these days. Having said that, if someone were to ask me what 6 * 7 is, I'd still have to go 6 * 6 = 36, and then add 6. Same for 7 * 8. Playing darts sharpened me up. Of course nowadays they would have to provide a safe space and a non competitive environment for learning. I still feel the need for therapy 40 years later. #mepoohdartsrecovery Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. My dad can do that. Tell you what you need to finish, each time you hit the wrong numbers (I'm hopeless at darts). The idea of having a dartboard in the classroom is an interesting one :-) Seems unlikely these days. I know you didn't mean that, but the thought of it made me laugh. I'm not sure repetition is what they should be teaching. Personally, I know I lack the foundation skills of how to solve mathematical problems If it was a case of the time being better spent on other things, I might agree; but IMHO primary school is just another place to put your kids so that you can go to work. They do learn what I would call (in my old-fashioned way) a load of nonsense. So learning the tables might actually come on useful. and hence I work much harder when I have to do something like that than I would do [I'm a programmer] if I had been taught those skills. The I also am a programmer, but I hardly ever need to know times tables (the computer is supposed to work out the answers like that), just a fondness for detail and optimisation that would irritate most people :-) But times tables are more useful for me for things like shopping - having the right change ready so that you don't accrue coins at a faster rate than you can get rid of them. It also helps with the extended things like long multiplication and division. When 'they' let off an EMP over our heads, we're going to need to know stuff like that :-) Like morse code saving your life in the films. Mind you, I can't do that yet. times table stuff was dying when I was at school. It doesn't strike me as being close to what kids nowadays need going forward into the future. Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 14/02/2018 11:23, johnny-knowall wrote:
Yes, I am always amazed at the way professional darts players can almost instantly re-calculate the double they need when the previous dart has landed in the wrong bed. I suppose that because they are practicing for hours every day, it is just second nature to them. Ditto for snooker players -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 14 Feb 2018, Vidcapper wrote
(in article ): On 14/02/2018 11:23, johnny-knowall wrote: Yes, I am always amazed at the way professional darts players can almost instantly re-calculate the double they need when the previous dart has landed in the wrong bed. I suppose that because they are practicing for hours every day, it is just second nature to them. Ditto for snooker players Although with snooker the players often make lengthy glances at the scoreboard, so their maths cannot be as instant as darts players. And snooker doesnt have certain shots that double or treble each score. Most people can add the numbers 1 to 7 pretty easily. Treble 14, treble 17, double 12 is not quite so straightforward. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 2018\02\14 16:53, johnny-knowall wrote:
On 14 Feb 2018, Vidcapper wrote (in article ): On 14/02/2018 11:23, johnny-knowall wrote: Yes, I am always amazed at the way professional darts players can almost instantly re-calculate the double they need when the previous dart has landed in the wrong bed. I suppose that because they are practicing for hours every day, it is just second nature to them. Ditto for snooker players Although with snooker the players often make lengthy glances at the scoreboard, so their maths cannot be as instant as darts players. And snooker doesnt have certain shots that double or treble each score. Most people can add the numbers 1 to 7 pretty easily. Treble 14, treble 17, double 12 is not quite so straightforward. Bad example! It's obviously treble 39! |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 15 Feb 2018, Basil Jet wrote
(in article ): On 2018\02\14 16:53, johnny-knowall wrote: On 14 Feb 2018, Vidcapper wrote (in article ): On 14/02/2018 11:23, johnny-knowall wrote: Yes, I am always amazed at the way professional darts players can almost instantly re-calculate the double they need when the previous dart has landed in the wrong bed. I suppose that because they are practicing for hours every day, it is just second nature to them. Ditto for snooker players Although with snooker the players often make lengthy glances at the scoreboard, so their maths cannot be as instant as darts players. And snooker doesnt have certain shots that double or treble each score. Most people can add the numbers 1 to 7 pretty easily. Treble 14, treble 17, double 12 is not quite so straightforward. Bad example! It's obviously treble 39! Eh? |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 2018\02\15 18:13, johnny-knowall wrote:
On 15 Feb 2018, Basil Jet wrote (in article ): On 2018\02\14 16:53, johnny-knowall wrote: On 14 Feb 2018, Vidcapper wrote (in article ): On 14/02/2018 11:23, johnny-knowall wrote: Yes, I am always amazed at the way professional darts players can almost instantly re-calculate the double they need when the previous dart has landed in the wrong bed. I suppose that because they are practicing for hours every day, it is just second nature to them. Ditto for snooker players Although with snooker the players often make lengthy glances at the scoreboard, so their maths cannot be as instant as darts players. And snooker doesnt have certain shots that double or treble each score. Most people can add the numbers 1 to 7 pretty easily. Treble 14, treble 17, double 12 is not quite so straightforward. Bad example! It's obviously treble 39! Eh? Double 12 = treble 8. Treble 14 + treble 17 + treble 8 = treble 39. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 14/02/2018 11:29, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
johnny-knowall wrote: On 14 Feb 2018, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote (in ): Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Someone who has never heard of computers or calculators, so probably Ye Olde Rees Mogg. I used to think there was an assumption that kids are better off learning to use calculators these days, but our lad regularly has times tables excercises in his homework (and we certainly didn't have homework from the age of 5 when I was a lad), to be tested the week after. Trouble is, by the time he's got to 12 (again), he's forgotten the 7. To my mind, a national test most likely has the purpose of identifying schools that make little effort to teach tables, when compared to the average; IOW, that they are sticking to the curriculum.Â* Schools will already know, I think, which children have parents that are not equipped or motivated to do those elements of teaching that are expected to be done at home.Â* Childhood isn't what it used to be. You can't make proper informed use of a calculator unless you have an idea of roughly what the outcome should be anyway. For instance, if you press a button twice or omit a character, your answer will be out by a factor of 10. If you can't recognise that when you see it, you may decide that the incorrect result is, in fact, correct. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
JNugent wrote:
On 14/02/2018 11:29, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: johnny-knowall wrote: On 14 Feb 2018, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote (in ): Another triumph for conservatism. I wonder who's behind this brainwave. Someone who has never heard of computers or calculators, so probably Ye Olde Rees Mogg. I used to think there was an assumption that kids are better off learning to use calculators these days, but our lad regularly has times tables excercises in his homework (and we certainly didn't have homework from the age of 5 when I was a lad), to be tested the week after. Trouble is, by the time he's got to 12 (again), he's forgotten the 7. To my mind, a national test most likely has the purpose of identifying schools that make little effort to teach tables, when compared to the average; IOW, that they are sticking to the curriculum. Schools will already know, I think, which children have parents that are not equipped or motivated to do those elements of teaching that are expected to be done at home. Childhood isn't what it used to be. You can't make proper informed use of a calculator unless you have an idea of roughly what the outcome should be anyway. For instance, if you press a button twice or omit a character, your answer will be out by a factor of 10. If you can't recognise that when you see it, you may decide that the incorrect result is, in fact, correct. I remember at uni-level maths, one of the first things discussed was how to quickly estimate (if only to the nearest order of magnitude) what a solution might look like. It seemed obvious to me at the time, but I am still surprised at how often even educated people fail to spot what ought to be glaring errors. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:11:39 +0000
"Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: JNugent wrote: You can't make proper informed use of a calculator unless you have an idea of roughly what the outcome should be anyway. For instance, if you press a button twice or omit a character, your answer will be out by a factor of 10. If you can't recognise that when you see it, you may decide that the incorrect result is, in fact, correct. I remember at uni-level maths, one of the first things discussed was how to quickly estimate (if only to the nearest order of magnitude) what a solution might look like. It seemed obvious to me at the time, but I am still surprised at how often even educated people fail to spot what ought to be glaring errors. This was not an optional skill if you used a slide rule, and most engineers did. I recall seeing one of the first Sinclair Executives while at university, and I bought a do-it-yourself Cambridge soon after that. But it ate batteries... -- Joe |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
Joe wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:11:39 +0000 "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: JNugent wrote: You can't make proper informed use of a calculator unless you have an idea of roughly what the outcome should be anyway. For instance, if you press a button twice or omit a character, your answer will be out by a factor of 10. If you can't recognise that when you see it, you may decide that the incorrect result is, in fact, correct. I remember at uni-level maths, one of the first things discussed was how to quickly estimate (if only to the nearest order of magnitude) what a solution might look like. It seemed obvious to me at the time, but I am still surprised at how often even educated people fail to spot what ought to be glaring errors. This was not an optional skill if you used a slide rule, and most engineers did. I recall seeing one of the first Sinclair Executives while at university, and I bought a do-it-yourself Cambridge soon after that. But it ate batteries... I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. First computer I saw was just an open board with a numeric display. After hours of typing in hex digits, you'd be able to enjoy that game where you have to stop an imaginary craft crashing into the ground as you use fuel to slow its descent. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 02/16/2018 05:11 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
I remember at uni-level maths, one of the first things discussed was how to quickly estimate (if only to the nearest order of magnitude) what a solution might look like. It seemed obvious to me at the time, but I am still surprised at how often even educated people fail to spot what ought to be glaring errors. Back in the slide rule days a reality check was necessary. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
rbowman wrote:
On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. I have a British Thornton one here in the drawer next to me :-) Right next to my Flexicurve and my ICL flowchart template. On a nearby shelf is Macmillan's 'Logarithmic and other tables for schools' by F. Castle. I could never bring myself to throw these things away :-) |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On 16/02/2018 12:26, Joe wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:11:39 +0000 "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: JNugent wrote: You can't make proper informed use of a calculator unless you have an idea of roughly what the outcome should be anyway. For instance, if you press a button twice or omit a character, your answer will be out by a factor of 10. If you can't recognise that when you see it, you may decide that the incorrect result is, in fact, correct. I remember at uni-level maths, one of the first things discussed was how to quickly estimate (if only to the nearest order of magnitude) what a solution might look like. It seemed obvious to me at the time, but I am still surprised at how often even educated people fail to spot what ought to be glaring errors. This was not an optional skill if you used a slide rule, and most engineers did. I recall seeing one of the first Sinclair Executives while at university, and I bought a do-it-yourself Cambridge soon after that. But it ate batteries... Happy memories. .... I built, and still have, the Sinclair Scientific I built while at school. The way the display 'died' while it calculated was unnerving. -- Suspect someone is claiming a benefit under false pretences? Incapacity Benefit or Personal Independence Payment when they don't need it? They are depriving those in real need! https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 9:11:28 AM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. When I was in college I had a K&E slide rule hanging from my belt. I was out of college when I met college students who had $700.00 to purchase an HP or TI calculator with the tiny little red LED dot display. What I own now was science fiction back then. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Vintage Monster |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:47:25 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre"
wrote: rbowman wrote: On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. I have a British Thornton one here in the drawer next to me :-) Right next to my Flexicurve and my ICL flowchart template. On a nearby shelf is Macmillan's 'Logarithmic and other tables for schools' by F. Castle. I could never bring myself to throw these things away :-) complete with pics of straight and circular slide rules http://www.abelard.org/sums/teaching..._down_logs.php -- www.abelard.org |
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On 2/16/18 8:34 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 9:11:28 AM UTC-6, rbowman wrote: On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. When I was in college I had a K&E slide rule hanging from my belt. I was out of college when I met college students who had $700.00 to purchase an HP or TI calculator with the tiny little red LED dot display. What I own now was science fiction back then. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Vintage Monster On my first professional job back in the day, the boss ordered a large 10 key desk calculator with a lighted display from one of the big "electronics" companies for about that same amount of money. It was delivered a few days later by an A+ brunette sales babe wearing a tight short skirt and tight sweater who gave a demonstration to the department on how to use it's several features. You can tell what I mainly remember from the meeting;-) -- If people, who cross our border illegally are not Illegal€” then what are they? - @chuckwoolery |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
abelard wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:47:25 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: rbowman wrote: On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. I have a British Thornton one here in the drawer next to me :-) Right next to my Flexicurve and my ICL flowchart template. On a nearby shelf is Macmillan's 'Logarithmic and other tables for schools' by F. Castle. I could never bring myself to throw these things away :-) complete with pics of straight and circular slide rules http://www.abelard.org/sums/teaching..._down_logs.php I'm spending the week in Austria. Trying to ski. I'll have a look next week. |
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On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:08:55 AM UTC-6, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 2/16/18 8:34 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 9:11:28 AM UTC-6, rbowman wrote: On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. When I was in college I had a K&E slide rule hanging from my belt. I was out of college when I met college students who had $700.00 to purchase an HP or TI calculator with the tiny little red LED dot display. What I own now was science fiction back then. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Vintage Monster On my first professional job back in the day, the boss ordered a large 10 key desk calculator with a lighted display from one of the big "electronics" companies for about that same amount of money. It was delivered a few days later by an A+ brunette sales babe wearing a tight short skirt and tight sweater who gave a demonstration to the department on how to use it's several features. You can tell what I mainly remember from the meeting;-) -- When I was a kid, my father worked in an office building with a bunch of other engineers in the engineering department for a steel mill. I remember the big old mechanical calculating machine on his desk that made all the wonderful clicking and clacking noises as the intricate gears and dials did their thing. I was well into adulthood before the huge old mechanical NCR cash registers started fading away. I kind of miss all the mechanical noise of everyday objects that surrounded me when I was a kid. Everything those big old machines did when I was a youngster can now be done by a device that fits in the palm of your hand. I must be a Luddite because I still don't own a smartass phone. I wonder if there's an app for that? ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Mechanical Monster |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
"Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message news abelard wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:47:25 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: rbowman wrote: On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. I have a British Thornton one here in the drawer next to me :-) Right next to my Flexicurve and my ICL flowchart template. On a nearby shelf is Macmillan's 'Logarithmic and other tables for schools' by F. Castle. I could never bring myself to throw these things away :-) complete with pics of straight and circular slide rules http://www.abelard.org/sums/teaching..._down_logs.php I'm spending the week in Austria. Trying to ski. I'll have a look next week. == We will expect some pics Enjoy) |
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Times table check trialled ahead of rollout
"Ophelia" wrote in message ... "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message news abelard wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:47:25 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: rbowman wrote: On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. I have a British Thornton one here in the drawer next to me :-) Right next to my Flexicurve and my ICL flowchart template. On a nearby shelf is Macmillan's 'Logarithmic and other tables for schools' by F. Castle. I could never bring myself to throw these things away :-) complete with pics of straight and circular slide rules http://www.abelard.org/sums/teaching..._down_logs.php I'm spending the week in Austria. Trying to ski. I'll have a look next week. == We will expect some pics Enjoy) These have gone up in price since the sixties: https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/25333530326...4198600&crdt=0 |
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On 2018\02\18 09:17, Phi wrote:
"Ophelia" wrote in message ... "Dan S. MacAbre"Â* wrote in message news abelard wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:47:25 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote: rbowman wrote: On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much.Â* I still have my old log books, too.Â* I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. I have a British Thornton one here in the drawer next to me :-)Â* Right next to my Flexicurve and my ICL flowchart template.Â* On a nearby shelf is Macmillan's 'Logarithmic and other tables for schools' by F. Castle. I could never bring myself to throw these things away :-) complete with pics of straight and circular slide rules http://www.abelard.org/sums/teaching..._down_logs.php I'm spending the week in Austria.Â* Trying to ski.Â* I'll have a look next week. == We will expect some pics Enjoy) These have gone up in price since the sixties: https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/25333530326...4198600&crdt=0 Bunch of cheapskates! Splash out on one of these. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CURTA-1-c...4383.l4275.c10 |
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On 2/17/18 2:28 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:08:55 AM UTC-6, Wade Garrett wrote: On 2/16/18 8:34 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 9:11:28 AM UTC-6, rbowman wrote: On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. When I was in college I had a K&E slide rule hanging from my belt. I was out of college when I met college students who had $700.00 to purchase an HP or TI calculator with the tiny little red LED dot display. What I own now was science fiction back then. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Vintage Monster On my first professional job back in the day, the boss ordered a large 10 key desk calculator with a lighted display from one of the big "electronics" companies for about that same amount of money. It was delivered a few days later by an A+ brunette sales babe wearing a tight short skirt and tight sweater who gave a demonstration to the department on how to use it's several features. You can tell what I mainly remember from the meeting;-) -- When I was a kid, my father worked in an office building with a bunch of other engineers in the engineering department for a steel mill. I remember the big old mechanical calculating machine on his desk that made all the wonderful clicking and clacking noises as the intricate gears and dials did their thing. I was well into adulthood before the huge old mechanical NCR cash registers started fading away. I kind of miss all the mechanical noise of everyday objects that surrounded me when I was a kid. Everything those big old machines did when I was a youngster can now be done by a device that fits in the palm of your hand. I must be a Luddite because I still don't own a smartass phone. I wonder if there's an app for that? ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Mechanical Monster Yeah, I spent hours and hours in a college statistics lab hunched over a 20 pound Friden mechanical calculator- 10 columns of keys with 10 keys from 1 to 0 in each column and lotsa little windows in the long top carriage where the result numbers appeared. There were about a dozen machines in the lab and if more than two or three were being used, you could hear the clatter two halls over. -- The fastest way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. |
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On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:04:13 AM UTC-6, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 2/17/18 2:28 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:08:55 AM UTC-6, Wade Garrett wrote: On 2/16/18 8:34 PM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 9:11:28 AM UTC-6, rbowman wrote: On 02/16/2018 05:37 AM, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I do have a slide rule, but never had to use it much. I still have my old log books, too. I remember a few of the rich kids at the school (a grammar school, so an interesting mixture of scruffy kids like me, and rich kids) had the Sinclair calculators, and we'd have fun getting them to display ShELLOIL and ESSOOIL. In college the ultimate status symbol was a Keuffel & Esser slide rule with the optional magnifying cursor carried on your belt in a leather sheath. Personally, I had a $1.50 plastic 'Accu-math' with just the C, D, and CI scales. Periodic rubbing with a #2 drafting pencil kept the slide sliding. I got the same answers as the $30 models. When I was in college I had a K&E slide rule hanging from my belt. I was out of college when I met college students who had $700.00 to purchase an HP or TI calculator with the tiny little red LED dot display. What I own now was science fiction back then. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Vintage Monster On my first professional job back in the day, the boss ordered a large 10 key desk calculator with a lighted display from one of the big "electronics" companies for about that same amount of money. It was delivered a few days later by an A+ brunette sales babe wearing a tight short skirt and tight sweater who gave a demonstration to the department on how to use it's several features. You can tell what I mainly remember from the meeting;-) -- When I was a kid, my father worked in an office building with a bunch of other engineers in the engineering department for a steel mill. I remember the big old mechanical calculating machine on his desk that made all the wonderful clicking and clacking noises as the intricate gears and dials did their thing. I was well into adulthood before the huge old mechanical NCR cash registers started fading away. I kind of miss all the mechanical noise of everyday objects that surrounded me when I was a kid. Everything those big old machines did when I was a youngster can now be done by a device that fits in the palm of your hand. I must be a Luddite because I still don't own a smartass phone. I wonder if there's an app for that? ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Mechanical Monster Yeah, I spent hours and hours in a college statistics lab hunched over a 20 pound Friden mechanical calculator- 10 columns of keys with 10 keys from 1 to 0 in each column and lotsa little windows in the long top carriage where the result numbers appeared. There were about a dozen machines in the lab and if more than two or three were being used, you could hear the clatter two halls over. -- During 1967-70, I got to play with an IBM System/360 Model 50 RAX system that was at The University of Alabama. They called it RAX for "Remote Access" because there were terminals all around campus in places like the dorms. I had boxes of paper punch cards to run my Fortran IV programs with. Dang it if computers weren't more fun back then. Punch cards and slide rulers helped put a man on the Moon. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Computerized Monster |
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