windsor Ontario is an oddity; you have to drive south from Detroit to
get there.


Yep. There was a Trivial Pursuit question about that. I've been driving
(or riding) south to get to Canada all my life.
Cindy Hamilton


http://www.prooffreader.com/2013/11/...be-not-as.html

On 06/02/2018 11:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see. Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30: 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, that's what I do.

--
Bod

On 2/5/2018 3:05 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Art Todesco:
The unit was only $120 including the service,

How about a link?

Sorry, I should have done that in the original post. The unit is from
Lascar Electronics at
https://www.lascarelectronics.com/ea...er-el-wifi-tp/. They
show it for $150 but others sell it cheaper. I got mine from Test
Equipment Depot. As I recall, I paid about $120 for it.
http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/la...a-elwifitp.htm

When I bought mine, you would get free cloud service for up to 2 sensor
units. You had to buy the cloud service for more sensors or it you were
recording real time data very frequently. But for 1 fridge, it was
free. BTW, I noticed at my local Walmart Pharmacy they that one, or
something very similar, on the fridge where they kept certain drugs like
insulin. I don't know if it had logging capabilities or not.

On 2/6/2018 12:40 AM, Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2018 19:52, dpb wrote:
On 2/5/2018 12:41 PM, Bod wrote:
...

Bit of a coincidence Cindy, we live about ten minutes or so from
Windsor...but Windsor, England. About 4 miles from the castle :-)

Have a nephew who was European Sales rep for Cessna who lived within
about that same radius...he's since returned to the States but we were
there a couple times while I was doing the coal flow testing at
Kingsnorth Station over in the Rochester/Chatham area...

--

I hope you had a reasonable time whilst over here?

Indeed...had a total of four excursions on that project, other than days
spent on the boiler deck of a coal-fired power plant doing extractive
sampling testing for determining relative coal flow distribution to each
burner as the base data for research into developing a technique for
online continuous flow measurement... That's hot and dirty business.

By pure coincidence happened to be near the castle one afternoon when
there was "an appearance"...was able to take weekends during the testing
duration plus we spent additional week to ten days after finished work
stint and toured...

--

On 2/6/2018 6:46 AM, Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2018 11:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see.Â* Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30:Â* 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, that's what I do.
Thass the point; if have to do that, it's not inate...one has to
consciously do the conversion. There are a few points almost everybody
knows but even with those the intermediates don't "just come natcherly".

--

On 2/6/2018 5:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 7:45:17 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

But it's stupidly designed. C is sensible: 0 is the freezing point of water, 100 is boiling point, easy to understand. Why don't you also use some weird base for maths, sorry math, instead of 10?

I often use base 16.

And 8 and 2 and for some encoding purposes 36...

--

Per James Wilkinson Sword:
You're forgetting the IQ of Americans is considerably lower than any other country.

Dunno from other countries, but my feeling is that the average IQ of the
USA's population is somewhere South of room temperature.

OK, gross exaggeration... but 100 *is* the "Mean" (whatever that is....).

To be more real, I think my impression is more from people's lack of critical
thinking skills - not that mine are all that wonderful... but at least I can
recognize my own deficits in that area.
--
Pete Cresswell

Per Art Todesco:
http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/la...a-elwifitp.htm

That thing is starting to call out to me.

Do you just close the refrigerator door on the wire?

Or did the refrigerator need a hole drilled in it for the wire?
--
Pete Cresswell

On 02/06/2018 04:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 7:45:17 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

But it's stupidly designed. C is sensible: 0 is the freezing point of water, 100 is boiling point, easy to understand. Why don't you also use some weird base for maths, sorry math, instead of 10?

I often use base 16.

Cindy Hamilton


0723

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:29:03 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
On 2/6/2018 6:46 AM, Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2018 11:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see.Â* Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30:Â* 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, that's what I do.
Thass the point; if have to do that, it's not inate...one has to
consciously do the conversion. There are a few points almost everybody
knows but even with those the intermediates don't "just come natcherly".

--

I suspect that if we converted to Celsius, I soon would
be comfortable with the notion that
15 C is pleasantly cool
20 C is pleasant
25 C is hot
30 C is damned hot
35 C is hot as Satan's jockstrap

These ranges correspond roughly to my current feelings
about 60, 70, 80, 90, and 100 F.

Cindy Hamilton

On 06/02/2018 15:41, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:29:03 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
On 2/6/2018 6:46 AM, Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2018 11:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see.Â* Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30:Â* 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, that's what I do.
Thass the point; if have to do that, it's not inate...one has to
consciously do the conversion. There are a few points almost everybody
knows but even with those the intermediates don't "just come natcherly".

--

I suspect that if we converted to Celsius, I soon would
be comfortable with the notion that
15 C is pleasantly cool
20 C is pleasant
25 C is hot
30 C is damned hot
35 C is hot as Satan's jockstrap

These ranges correspond roughly to my current feelings
about 60, 70, 80, 90, and 100 F.

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, straightforward isn't it!

--
Bod

On 2/6/2018 10:12 AM, Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2018 15:41, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:29:03 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
On 2/6/2018 6:46 AM, Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2018 11:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about
twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see.Â* Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30:Â* 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, that's what I do.
Thass the point; if have to do that, it's not inate...one has to
consciously do the conversion.Â* There are a few points almost everybody
knows but even with those the intermediates don't "just come natcherly".

--

I suspect that if we converted to Celsius, I soon would
be comfortable with the notion that
15 C is pleasantly cool
20 C is pleasant
25 C is hot
30 C is damned hot
35 C is hot as Satan's jockstrap

These ranges correspond roughly to my current feelings
about 60, 70, 80, 90, and 100 F.

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, straightforward isn't it!

I just know when on top of coal belt tower doing calibrations that -40
is colder than (fill in here) ...

--

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 03:43:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see. Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30: 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

It is really more like 73 and you would notice the 3 degrees if you
jumped in.

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:13:41 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 03:43:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see. Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30: 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

It is really more like 73 and you would notice the 3 degrees if you
jumped in.

You're not wrong about water. However, I can't remember the
last time I immersed myself in anything but water heated
to 101 F. I'm much more interested in the air temperature.

Cindy Hamilton

On 02/05/2018 06:45 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

[snip]

But it's stupidly designed.* C is sensible: 0 is the freezing point of
water, 100 is boiling point, easy to understand.* Why don't you also use
some weird base for maths, sorry math, instead of 10?

Note that in both systems, the 0-degree point is artificial. That is, it
is NOT the same as the temperature that corresponds to no heat. That
system is Kelvin. They use it with light bulbs

On 02/05/2018 06:45 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

[snip]

You're forgetting the IQ of Americans is considerably lower than any
other country.

I won't tell you my IQ, but it does disprove that rule.

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 07:41:05 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:29:03 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
On 2/6/2018 6:46 AM, Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2018 11:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see.Â* Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30:Â* 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, that's what I do.
Thass the point; if have to do that, it's not inate...one has to
consciously do the conversion. There are a few points almost everybody
knows but even with those the intermediates don't "just come natcherly".

--

I suspect that if we converted to Celsius, I soon would
be comfortable with the notion that
15 C is pleasantly cool
20 C is pleasant
25 C is hot
30 C is damned hot
35 C is hot as Satan's jockstrap

These ranges correspond roughly to my current feelings
about 60, 70, 80, 90, and 100 F.

Cindy Hamilton
Your rounding is not particularly accurate and you must live in the
Pac Northwest.
This is how we look at it in Florida
15c = 59 Brrr Parka if you have one.
20 = 68 You can lose the jacket but still too cold to boat
25 = 77 Eeek Canadians are getting in the water
30 = 86 Floridians are getting in the water
35 = 95 Good thing we have a pool.

On 02/06/2018 05:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 7:45:17 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

But it's stupidly designed. C is sensible: 0 is the freezing point of water, 100 is boiling point, easy to understand. Why don't you also use some weird base for maths, sorry math, instead of 10?

I often use base 16.

Cindy Hamilton

I once found a book by a Russian author who claimed we should all be
using base 3 (closest whole number to e). I never understood that, but I
do like base 16, preferably indicated by a leading '$', like $FFD2
(print character subroutine for Commodore 64).

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Despite the high cost of living, it remains a popular item."

On 02/06/2018 08:44 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per James Wilkinson Sword:
You're forgetting the IQ of Americans is considerably lower than any other country.

Dunno from other countries, but my feeling is that the average IQ of the
USA's population is somewhere South of room temperature.

OK, gross exaggeration... but 100 *is* the "Mean" (whatever that is....).

When I got a computer, one of the first programming examples in the book
was called "A friendly mean program".

To be more real, I think my impression is more from people's lack of critical
thinking skills - not that mine are all that wonderful... but at least I can
recognize my own deficits in that area.

As to the cause of that (people's lack of critical thinking skills), one
cause I heard of is Santa Claus. That is, the sort of unrealistic
anti-intellectual stuff people tell their kids. This total lack of
privacy (some being invading your thoughts) had an effect.

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:36:24 PM UTC-5, notX wrote:
On 02/05/2018 06:45 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

[snip]

But it's stupidly designed.Â* C is sensible: 0 is the freezing point of
water, 100 is boiling point, easy to understand.Â* Why don't you also use
some weird base for maths, sorry math, instead of 10?

Note that in both systems, the 0-degree point is artificial. That is, it
is NOT the same as the temperature that corresponds to no heat. That
system is Kelvin. They use it with light bulbs

Kelvin is only for C degrees. (well, K) for F degrees the system is Rankin. In thermodynamics class problems were given in both systems.

On 02/06/2018 09:11 AM, rbowman wrote:

[snip]

I often use base 16.

Cindy Hamilton


0723

0x1D3 (although I actually prefer $1D3), or even (at least some times)
%000111010011.

Ç“

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Despite the high cost of living, it remains a popular item."

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 11:00:50 -0600, dpb wrote:


I just know when on top of coal belt tower doing calibrations that -40
is colder than (fill in here) ...

Dunno, is that C or F ?
(trick question)

On 06/02/2018 18:19, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 11:00:50 -0600, dpb wrote:


I just know when on top of coal belt tower doing calibrations that -40
is colder than (fill in here) ...

Dunno, is that C or F ?
(trick question)

Minus 40 Fahrenheit is minus 40 in Centigrade, ie; the same temp.

--
Bod

On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 20:26:28 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:


Scotland isn't a country.

EVERY dictionary says it IS a country, Birdbrain, you retarded sociopathic
piece of ****!

And yes, poor idiot: that was QUOTEWORTHY again! BG

--
More of Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) sociopathic
"mathematics":
"100 is 5 times more than 20.
"5 times less" is the opposite of "5 times more", so this makes 100 back to
20 again.
20 is 5 times less than 100, the same as dividing by 5.
An elephant is 5 times bigger than a tiger, a tiger is 5 times smaller than
an elephant."
MID:

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:53:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 07:41:05 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:29:03 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
On 2/6/2018 6:46 AM, Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2018 11:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see.Â* Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30:Â* 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, that's what I do.
Thass the point; if have to do that, it's not inate...one has to
consciously do the conversion. There are a few points almost everybody
knows but even with those the intermediates don't "just come natcherly".

--

I suspect that if we converted to Celsius, I soon would
be comfortable with the notion that
15 C is pleasantly cool
20 C is pleasant
25 C is hot
30 C is damned hot
35 C is hot as Satan's jockstrap

These ranges correspond roughly to my current feelings
about 60, 70, 80, 90, and 100 F.

Cindy Hamilton
Your rounding is not particularly accurate and you must live in the
Pac Northwest.

It doesn't have to be very accurate.

I live in Michigan.

I didn't go through the drudgery of listing my opinion
of still colder temperatures. Without bothering with
the conversion to Celsius:

50 need to wear a flannel shirt when working outdoors
40 need to wear a jacket when working outdoors
30 need to wear gloves when working outdoors
20 minimum grilling temperature, provided the grill is in the lee of the house
10 need to wear a hat
0 time to get out the Carhartt
-10 snot freezes right in the nose. Stay indoors if possible.

This is how we look at it in Florida
15c = 59 Brrr Parka if you have one.
20 = 68 You can lose the jacket but still too cold to boat
25 = 77 Eeek Canadians are getting in the water
30 = 86 Floridians are getting in the water
35 = 95 Good thing we have a pool.

In article , says...

On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 03:57:32 -0000, rbowman wrote:

On 02/05/2018 05:45 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
But it's stupidly designed. C is sensible: 0 is the freezing point of
water, 100 is boiling point, easy to understand. Why don't you also use
some weird base for maths, sorry math, instead of 10?

During my brief career as a math(s) teacher I tried to teach weird base
systems to 12 year olds. The A class (college bound) kids picked it up,
the D class (Dummies) couldn't make change for a dollar in the decimal
system let alone appreciate Sumeria sexagesimal calculations. But in
this country everyone is equal so they are taught the same things.

Don't they seperate dummies from bright kids over there like we do?

In the US they do not seperate. They teach to the lowest IQs. The only
seperation is for the sports programs. The colleges have special dorms
and food for them.

Some high schools do have seperate courses for general business and such
and another for college bound students, but there is no seperation for
the low to the high IQ in those classes.
Makes it look good for a high school when they can say the students
average a B . That is because it is much easier to score high in
general math than algebra.

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:15:36 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 02/06/2018 09:11 AM, rbowman wrote:

[snip]

I often use base 16.

Cindy Hamilton


0723

0x1D3 (although I actually prefer $1D3), or even (at least some times)
%000111010011.

?

I am a hex guy. We would say x'01D3' for that binary string.
Cindy's notation looks like octal to me.
Binary is always going to be binary tho.
BCD anyone? ;-)
That is 6 bit code plus a parity bit hence 7 track tape drives.

On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 20:26:07 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 03:57:32 -0000, rbowman wrote:

On 02/05/2018 05:45 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
But it's stupidly designed. C is sensible: 0 is the freezing point of
water, 100 is boiling point, easy to understand. Why don't you also use
some weird base for maths, sorry math, instead of 10?

During my brief career as a math(s) teacher I tried to teach weird base
systems to 12 year olds. The A class (college bound) kids picked it up,
the D class (Dummies) couldn't make change for a dollar in the decimal
system let alone appreciate Sumeria sexagesimal calculations. But in
this country everyone is equal so they are taught the same things.

Don't they seperate dummies from bright kids over there like we do?

They are not allowed. The racial make up of the classes would bring
claims of racial discrimination. In fact one of the counties outside
got sued for it. They tried to separate out the students that needed
extra help and throw more money at them. The NAACP said they were
stigmatizing black kids.

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 13:03:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:53:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 07:41:05 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:29:03 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
On 2/6/2018 6:46 AM, Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2018 11:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see.Â* Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30:Â* 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, that's what I do.
Thass the point; if have to do that, it's not inate...one has to
consciously do the conversion. There are a few points almost everybody
knows but even with those the intermediates don't "just come natcherly".

--

I suspect that if we converted to Celsius, I soon would
be comfortable with the notion that
15 C is pleasantly cool
20 C is pleasant
25 C is hot
30 C is damned hot
35 C is hot as Satan's jockstrap

These ranges correspond roughly to my current feelings
about 60, 70, 80, 90, and 100 F.

Cindy Hamilton
Your rounding is not particularly accurate and you must live in the
Pac Northwest.

It doesn't have to be very accurate.

I live in Michigan.

I didn't go through the drudgery of listing my opinion
of still colder temperatures. Without bothering with
the conversion to Celsius:

50 need to wear a flannel shirt when working outdoors
40 need to wear a jacket when working outdoors
30 need to wear gloves when working outdoors
20 minimum grilling temperature, provided the grill is in the lee of the house
10 need to wear a hat
0 time to get out the Carhartt
-10 snot freezes right in the nose. Stay indoors if possible.

This is how we look at it in Florida
15c = 59 Brrr Parka if you have one.
20 = 68 You can lose the jacket but still too cold to boat
25 = 77 Eeek Canadians are getting in the water
30 = 86 Floridians are getting in the water
35 = 95 Good thing we have a pool.

Celsius works perfectly for me. If it ever gets below zero, I am
moving farther south.

On 2/6/2018 12:19 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 11:00:50 -0600, dpb wrote:


I just know when on top of coal belt tower doing calibrations that -40
is colder than (fill in here) ...

Dunno, is that C or F ?
(trick question)

Why you think I used the particular specific number??? vbg

Altho we actually did have a field service trip to Sask Power one year
when it was nearly that cold; why any utility would schedule an outage
mid-winter always escaped me...but this was annual event. Glad am not
doing that any longer!

--

On 02/06/2018 07:31 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 21:48:43 -0000, wrote:

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:15:36 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 02/06/2018 09:11 AM, rbowman wrote:

[snip]

I often use base 16.

Cindy Hamilton


0723

0x1D3 (although I actually prefer $1D3), or even (at least some times)
%000111010011.

?

I am a hex guy. We would say x'01D3' for that binary string.
Cindy's notation looks like octal to me.
Binary is always going to be binary tho.
BCD anyone? ;-)
That is 6 bit code plus a parity bit hence 7 track tape drives.

I get the feeling some people in this group are quite old.

They prolly have thermometers with binary/hex/octal/scientific notation displays too.

Per Cindy Hamilton:
I live in Michigan.

I didn't go through the drudgery of listing my opinion
of still colder temperatures. Without bothering with
the conversion to Celsius:

50 need to wear a flannel shirt when working outdoors
40 need to wear a jacket when working outdoors
30 need to wear gloves when working outdoors
20 minimum grilling temperature, provided the grill is in the lee of the house
10 need to wear a hat
0 time to get out the Carhartt
-10 snot freezes right in the nose. Stay indoors if possible.

A bit like Canada?
http://tinyurl.com/y8qv9dn9
--
Pete Cresswell

On 02/06/2018 03:48 PM, wrote:

[snip]

0723

0x1D3 (although I actually prefer $1D3), or even (at least some times)
%000111010011.

?

I am a hex guy. We would say x'01D3' for that binary string.
Cindy's notation looks like octal to me.
Binary is always going to be binary tho.
BCD anyone? ;-)

0100 0110 0111

That is 6 bit code plus a parity bit hence 7 track tape drives.

I considered 0723 to be in octal. 0x1D3 is the same number expressed in
hex (as C uses). $1D3 (hex) and %000111010011 (binary) are the
representations used by the home computer I had in the eighties. The one
that didn't get quoted is the Unicode character with this value.

Here are some others (as in the 8080 assembler I used in college):
456
723q
1D3h
000111010011b

Hex that starts with A-F needs a leading 0. Octal is 'q' since too many
people confuse 'o' with a digit.

There's also 79A

Also I knew what it meant when I told my computer to "PRINT 4 OR 6" and
it printed 7. BTW, the first program I wrote finds the square root of a
number, starting by assuming it's 10.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Despite the high cost of living, it remains a popular item."

On 02/06/2018 06:48 PM, 00000001 wrote:

[snip]

They prolly have thermometers with binary/hex/octal/scientific notation
displays too.

The current temperature is 5.4 * 10^10 nanodegrees F.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Despite the high cost of living, it remains a popular item."

On 02/06/2018 03:52 PM, wrote:

[snip]

They are not allowed. The racial make up of the classes would bring
claims of racial discrimination. In fact one of the counties outside
got sued for it. They tried to separate out the students that needed
extra help and throw more money at them. The NAACP said they were
stigmatizing black kids.

They did when I was in school in the seventies. Not much for the more
intelligent, though.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Despite the high cost of living, it remains a popular item."

On 02/06/2018 05:47 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 17:38:45 -0000, Jim E
wrote:

On 02/05/2018 06:45 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

[snip]

You're forgetting the IQ of Americans is considerably lower than any
other country.

I won't tell you my IQ, but it does disprove that rule.

You can't disprove it with one person.* That's like saying because you
have blonde hair that Americans aren't brunettes.

I can. Maybe you forgot to add "most".

On 02/06/2018 06:30 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

[snip]

It's not artificial, it's calibrated to the most important substance to
mankind, water.** Why do you think a kilogram of water is a litre etc?

Describing Celsius. I think there's some other temperature scale that
used that same 0 point, although I've forgotten what it is.

Temperature is heat density. That doesn't reach 0 until much lower than
the point at which water freezes. The importance of water (and it IS
important) doesn't change that.

Can you think of anything else where a measurement of 0 is not equal to
none (none of the thing being measured)?

On 02/06/2018 02:03 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I didn't go through the drudgery of listing my opinion
of still colder temperatures. Without bothering with
the conversion to Celsius:

50 need to wear a flannel shirt when working outdoors
40 need to wear a jacket when working outdoors
30 need to wear gloves when working outdoors
20 minimum grilling temperature, provided the grill is in the lee of the house
10 need to wear a hat
0 time to get out the Carhartt
-10 snot freezes right in the nose. Stay indoors if possible.

Your scale is a little skewed. In Montana 40 is 'Hot damn. T shirt
weather' and 50 is 'The girls are coming out of their cocoons.' The
range continues to 100 -- 'Did I black out and wind up in Tijuana?'

Fortunately it isn't Florida when 100 and 99% humidity is 'Tell me again
why we evolved past gills?'

On 02/06/2018 02:54 PM, wrote:
Celsius works perfectly for me. If it ever gets below zero, I am
moving farther south.

Light the smudge pots in the orange groves before you go...

On 02/06/2018 05:30 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 17:36:19 -0000, notX wrote:

On 02/05/2018 06:45 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

[snip]

But it's stupidly designed. C is sensible: 0 is the freezing point of
water, 100 is boiling point, easy to understand. Why don't you also use
some weird base for maths, sorry math, instead of 10?

Note that in both systems, the 0-degree point is artificial. That is, it
is NOT the same as the temperature that corresponds to no heat. That
system is Kelvin. They use it with light bulbs

It's not artificial, it's calibrated to the most important substance to
mankind, water. Why do you think a kilogram of water is a litre etc?


Nothing that came out of the French Revolution and the Age of
Enlightenment can be good.