On 2/4/2018 11:51 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
I've been trying to buy four refrigerator/freezer thermometers and it's
frustrating how inaccurate/inconsistent they are.

For Instance:

- 4 thermometers of same make/model, hanging on the same rack.

- Alcohol bulb/glass tube - you'd think basic physics...

- Each reads a different temp from 68 to 74 degrees.

Only thing I can think of is that the card behind the glass thingie is
misaligned, but looking at these things, there does not seem to be enough
physical room for those kinds of errors.

Also, at home I have a couple of digital indoor/outdoor thermometers.

Bring the outdoor sensor inside and put it right next to the master part, and
they're a couple degrees different.

Is there any hope at all of finding four thermometers which:

- All read the same temp when placed side-by-side
- Read the correct temp.

What am I missing?

My new Samsung fridge has built-in digital readings. But it always
seems to read the same as the setting, that is, 0 for the freezer and 37
for the fridge. I have seen the numbers change if, for instance, you
leave the door open for a long time while cleaning. But, because I
can't trust the microprocessor in the Samsung, not to lock up and shut
down everything and thus spoil the contents, I bought a unit that magnet
mounts outside the box and has a senor inside. Its reading vary all
over the place. Say at dinner prep time, when the box gets opened and
closes many times, I will see maybe a rise of 6 or 8 degrees. I think
the Samsung sensor is more thermally loaded and takes longer to change.
My sensor it under a shelf but taped tightly to the shelf ... but it
still changes more quickly. Thermal mass seems to be the difference.
BTW, the unit I bought, reports via wifi, once per hour (or whatever I
set it to do) to the company's cloud server. If the temp goes outside
the range I've set, it will fire me a text and email ... lot's of good
if you're vacationing in Europe, but at least you can call someone, or
change the email to them. The unit was only $120 including the service,
which is certainly cheaper than all the wasted food.

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 6:00:49 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
On 2/4/2018 3:29 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

I've never understood the "precision" argument. Does it matter whether
it's 70, 71, or 72 F ? I suppose 31, 32, and 33 F are more significant.
...

Well, there's the same question around 212, too, from that standpoint...

I ran into a minor instance here just recently -- fixed up a monitoring
system in the well house to alert me if the temperature drops that
indicates I need to go relight the gas heater (occasionally the high KS
wind will manage to blow out the pilot). I used a cute little $6
digital thermostat module in "heat" mode to turn on an LED in the window
I can see if temp drops below setpoint.


So when it calls for heat it closes a contact?

Ingenious.

Um, what's the dead band set to?

On 02/04/2018 11:03 PM, Bod wrote:

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

You seem to feel the world revolves around the POTUS. Until the US
adopts Celsius it isn't universal. Don't hold your breath.

On 02/05/2018 12:52 AM, Bod wrote:
Of all the countries in the world, only three still use the archaic
Imperial system of weights and measures:

Liberia.
Myanmar (a.k.a. €œthe country formerly known as Burma€�)
United States of America.


We respect tradition in the US. You prefer to **** yours down the drain.

On 02/05/2018 04:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
It's surprising how much "secret" adoption of SI has gone on here.
Two-liter bottles of Coke. 750-ml bottles of wine. My husband
has both metric and English tools in his workshop. And of course
we use the same second as the rest of the world.

The 750 ml booze bottles couldn't possibly have anything to do with it
being 7 ml smaller than the fifths it replaced? A 'free' bottle for
every 108, what's not to like?

Metric tools are good. It's a lot easier to tell your significant other
to get the goddam 11 rather than the 7/16. Wimmen ain't good with fractions.

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 10:09:08 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2018 04:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
It's surprising how much "secret" adoption of SI has gone on here.
Two-liter bottles of Coke. 750-ml bottles of wine. My husband
has both metric and English tools in his workshop. And of course
we use the same second as the rest of the world.

The 750 ml booze bottles couldn't possibly have anything to do with it
being 7 ml smaller than the fifths it replaced? A 'free' bottle for
every 108, what's not to like?

Metric tools are good. It's a lot easier to tell your significant other
to get the goddam 11 rather than the 7/16. Wimmen ain't good with fractions.

Hah. Very funny. I'll admit that the more mathematics
education I got, the worse my arithmetic skills became.
By the time I could solve differential equations, I was
using a calculator to balance my checkbook.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/5/2018 12:10 AM, Bod wrote:
....

I was brought up on Fahrenheit, but soon adapted to C which is so
straightforward for everyday use once you get used to it and you soon
get used to it. It's so much more logical with 0 being freezing and a
100 for boiling, IMO.

It's never become inate for me;

fnC=@(F) (F-32)./1.8;
fnC(649.45)
ans =
343.0278


343 C just doesn't correlate to Tsat@2200, sorry...yes, I know they
cross at -40 and STP and all that, but it "just ain't natural".

--

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 11:27:17 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
On 2/5/2018 12:10 AM, Bod wrote:
...

I was brought up on Fahrenheit, but soon adapted to C which is so
straightforward for everyday use once you get used to it and you soon
get used to it. It's so much more logical with 0 being freezing and a
100 for boiling, IMO.

It's never become inate for me;



Same here. And like you my background is science and engineering too.

On 2/5/2018 8:56 AM, TimR wrote:
On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 6:00:49 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
On 2/4/2018 3:29 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

I've never understood the "precision" argument. Does it matter whether
it's 70, 71, or 72 F ? I suppose 31, 32, and 33 F are more significant.
...

Well, there's the same question around 212, too, from that standpoint...

I ran into a minor instance here just recently -- fixed up a monitoring
system in the well house to alert me if the temperature drops that
indicates I need to go relight the gas heater (occasionally the high KS
wind will manage to blow out the pilot). I used a cute little $6
digital thermostat module in "heat" mode to turn on an LED in the window
I can see if temp drops below setpoint.


So when it calls for heat it closes a contact?

Yeah, being as it is designed to be a thermostat it has a
builtin-contact onboard. I debated which way to go; could use a green
LED and have it lit when OK but decided to go the red and be normally
off and turn it on when indicated a problem. I wasn't sure at first but
the LED is bright enough it's easily visible in the wellhouse window
when on even during middle of the day. I haven't put it on a battery or
used a UPS at the moment so if we're out of power I still have to check,
but it covers the bulk of the time...

Ingenious.

Um, what's the dead band set to?

I've left it at default of 2 C; it's adjustable, too.

I was going to comment that had to compute where wanted setpoint to
start for the user interface in C; at the price point you can't expect
much documentation but I just presumed when ordering since it's all
digital there would be a F/C option in setup--turns out there's not, at
least in this one. I'm sure they must be out there...


A link
https://www.ebay.com/itm/W1209-12V-50-110-C-Digital-Thermostat-Temperature-Control-Switch-Sensor-Module-/192112054053


--

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 9:04:18 AM UTC-5, Art Todesco wrote:
On 2/4/2018 11:51 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
I've been trying to buy four refrigerator/freezer thermometers and it's
frustrating how inaccurate/inconsistent they are.

For Instance:

- 4 thermometers of same make/model, hanging on the same rack.

- Alcohol bulb/glass tube - you'd think basic physics...

- Each reads a different temp from 68 to 74 degrees.

Only thing I can think of is that the card behind the glass thingie is
misaligned, but looking at these things, there does not seem to be enough
physical room for those kinds of errors.

Also, at home I have a couple of digital indoor/outdoor thermometers.

Bring the outdoor sensor inside and put it right next to the master part, and
they're a couple degrees different.

Is there any hope at all of finding four thermometers which:

- All read the same temp when placed side-by-side
- Read the correct temp.

What am I missing?

My new Samsung fridge has built-in digital readings. But it always
seems to read the same as the setting, that is, 0 for the freezer and 37
for the fridge. I have seen the numbers change if, for instance, you
leave the door open for a long time while cleaning.

Same here with a Kitchenaid. I think they have an algorithm where it
will only change slowly, not in response to every door opening. If
people saw it going from 37 to 42, varying, a lot of people would
probably think it's broken. Also, staying on 37 makes the fridge look
better, seem rock solid, etc.

Per Boris:
For me, the difference is important. The human body can tell a 2 degre
difference. 69F is cold for me. 71F is just right. I can tell the
difference.

You are not alone.
--
Pete Cresswell

On 02/04/2018 03:29 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

[snip]

I've never understood the "precision" argument. Does it matter whether
it's 70, 71, or 72 F ? I suppose 31, 32, and 33 F are more significant.

Cindy Hamilton

I've seen digital thermometers that show an extra digit (.1 degree).
However, this additional precision is useless because of the limited
accuracy. They seem to be taking advantage of the fast that a lot of
people don't know the difference.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The true contrast between science and myth is more nearly touched when
we say that science alone is capable of verification." [George Santayana
(1863-1952), "The Life of Reason" (1905-1906)]

Per dpb:
The problem with inexpensive bulb thermometers is that the capillary
dimension has to be exceedingly precise in order to control both the
linearity and scaling and doing that drives the price up

What type would you say is the least prone to inaccuracy?

Bi-metallic spring?

Digital?

I have played around with digital sensors and a Raspberry PI and the accuracy
was pretty bad.... but maybe that's just el-cheapo sensors and/or my
programming approach...
--
Pete Cresswell

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:33:12 +0000, Bod wrote:


Why stubbornly stick to last century thermal measurements!

Why do you have a queen?

On 05/02/2018 18:14, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Ok.

--
Bod

On 02/05/2018 05:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

[snip]

Or do people who use Celsius just drop the decimal and say "Ten-six"?

They would just say 10.

Or 11, which is closer to 10.6. I've been rounding numbers so long it's
almost automatic.

At http://www.cbc.ca/windsor/weather/s0000646.html,
the current temperature is -14 and today's high is expected to be -5.
That's for Windsor, which is a short drive from where I am.

Cindy Hamilton

On 05/02/2018 18:16, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:33:12 +0000, Bod wrote:


Why stubbornly stick to last century thermal measurements!

Why do you have a queen?

What a cheap and pathetic statement and has nothing to do with the
centigrade/fahrenheit discussion.
I'll answer it though:
She is a figurehead and our royal family brings in many millions of
pounds from tourism. They are of interest to countries all over the
world and you know it.


--
Bod

On 02/05/2018 05:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

[snip]

It's surprising how much "secret" adoption of SI has gone on here.
Two-liter bottles of Coke. 750-ml bottles of wine. My husband
has both metric and English tools in his workshop. And of course
we use the same second as the rest of the world.

Cindy Hamilton

Yes, the "second" is a metric unit. Note that "minute", "hour", etc...
are not.

BTW:
1 third = 16.7 mS (milliseconds)
1 second = 1 S
1 minute = 60 S
1 hour = 3.6 KS (kiloseconds)
1 day = 86.4 KS
1 week = 604.8 KS
1 month = 2.63 MS (megaseconds)
1 year = 31.6 MS
70 years = 2.21 GS (gigaseconds)

month and later are approximate values based on average months/years in
our strange calendar

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The true contrast between science and myth is more nearly touched when
we say that science alone is capable of verification." [George Santayana
(1863-1952), "The Life of Reason" (1905-1906)]

On 05/02/2018 11:35, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 5:33:30 PM UTC-5, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Cindy Hamilton:
I've never understood the "precision" argument. Does it matter whether
it's 70, 71, or 72 F ? I suppose 31, 32, and 33 F are more significant.

My take is that when you're out in it a couple degrees, or even 1 degree F
can be significant and it seems easier to say "Fifty-One: than
"Ten-point-six".

Or do people who use Celsius just drop the decimal and say "Ten-six"?

They would just say 10. At http://www.cbc.ca/windsor/weather/s0000646.html,
the current temperature is -14 and today's high is expected to be -5.
That's for Windsor, which is a short drive from where I am.

Cindy Hamilton

Bit of a coincidence Cindy, we live about ten minutes or so from
Windsor...but Windsor, England. About 4 miles from the castle :-)

--
Bod

On 2/5/2018 12:41 PM, Bod wrote:
....

Bit of a coincidence Cindy, we live about ten minutes or so from
Windsor...but Windsor, England. About 4 miles from the castle :-)

Have a nephew who was European Sales rep for Cessna who lived within
about that same radius...he's since returned to the States but we were
there a couple times while I was doing the coal flow testing at
Kingsnorth Station over in the Rochester/Chatham area...

--

Per Art Todesco:
The unit was only $120 including the service,

How about a link?
--
Pete Cresswell

posted for all of us...



On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:33:12 +0000, Bod wrote:


Why stubbornly stick to last century thermal measurements!

Why do you have a queen?

What's his name, Bod?

--
Tekkie

Oren posted for all of us...



On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:29:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

I've never understood the "precision" argument. Does it matter whether
it's 70, 71, or 72 F ? I suppose 31, 32, and 33 F are more significant.

Cindy Hamilton

Think of it as "close enough for government work."

Trust me I'm from the government, I'm here to help.

...or as Bubba says, "it looks good from my house!"

Or as once working for the gov't, let's examine it for awhile longer and
it's not anything money can't fix...

--
Tekkie

(PeteCresswell) posted for all of us...



I've been trying to buy four refrigerator/freezer thermometers and it's
frustrating how inaccurate/inconsistent they are.

For Instance:

- 4 thermometers of same make/model, hanging on the same rack.

- Alcohol bulb/glass tube - you'd think basic physics...

- Each reads a different temp from 68 to 74 degrees.

Only thing I can think of is that the card behind the glass thingie is
misaligned, but looking at these things, there does not seem to be enough
physical room for those kinds of errors.

Also, at home I have a couple of digital indoor/outdoor thermometers.

Bring the outdoor sensor inside and put it right next to the master part, and
they're a couple degrees different.

Is there any hope at all of finding four thermometers which:

- All read the same temp when placed side-by-side
- Read the correct temp.

What am I missing?

Go to Cracker Barrel and look at the selection. (g)

--
Tekkie

Oren posted for all of us...



On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 11:51:08 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

I've been trying to buy four refrigerator/freezer thermometers and it's
frustrating how inaccurate/inconsistent they are.

For Instance:

- 4 thermometers of same make/model, hanging on the same rack.

- Alcohol bulb/glass tube - you'd think basic physics...

- Each reads a different temp from 68 to 74 degrees.

Only thing I can think of is that the card behind the glass thingie is
misaligned, but looking at these things, there does not seem to be enough
physical room for those kinds of errors.

Also, at home I have a couple of digital indoor/outdoor thermometers.

Bring the outdoor sensor inside and put it right next to the master part, and
they're a couple degrees different.

Is there any hope at all of finding four thermometers which:

- All read the same temp when placed side-by-side
- Read the correct temp.

What am I missing?

Pete,

Maybe check here. I never knew so little until I bought a good unit
for my outdoor meat smokers and instant read (few seconds) units. It
can with a certificate of accuracy +/- .

I very much doubt cheap units can be calibrated.

"... Find info on instrumentation, sensors, measurement and control,
calibration and a variety of commercial applications."

https://www.thermoworks.com/learning-center

I liked the part about "The Importance of Probe Wipes"

--
Tekkie

dpb posted for all of us...



If a bulb thermometer serves the purpose, probably one of the
secondary-school lab suppliers or the like will be the best bet.


Try Fisher Scientific for those.

--
Tekkie

On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 13:11:50 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per dpb:
The problem with inexpensive bulb thermometers is that the capillary
dimension has to be exceedingly precise in order to control both the
linearity and scaling and doing that drives the price up

What type would you say is the least prone to inaccuracy?

Bi-metallic spring?

Digital?

I have played around with digital sensors and a Raspberry PI and the accuracy
was pretty bad.... but maybe that's just el-cheapo sensors and/or my
programming approach...

Mercury filled bulb type seem to be the gold standard that are used to
calibrate the others but these are tested, lab grade, not chinese bulk
goods.
Paying more may not guarantee quality but paying less certainly says
the quality is going to be a crap shoot because there is less quality
control. The ice water deal is a good single point calibration but use
distilled water for the ice and the water bath. Any dissolved salts
will skew the results. We see that when we are calibrating our
instruments. A tap water ice bath will typically be a little colder
here in Florida but we have salt water intrusion in most of our
aquifers. You might be fine up in those places where ther water comes
from springs that are unaffected by mineral deposits or the sea.

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:29:08 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 05/02/2018 18:16, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:33:12 +0000, Bod wrote:


Why stubbornly stick to last century thermal measurements!

Why do you have a queen?

What a cheap and pathetic statement and has nothing to do with the
centigrade/fahrenheit discussion.
I'll answer it though:
She is a figurehead and our royal family brings in many millions of
pounds from tourism. They are of interest to countries all over the
world and you know it.

People actually pay to come and be close to the queen? Amazing. I
guess they paid to see Sid Vicious too so I shouldn't be surprised.

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:36:36 -0500, Tekkie® wrote:

dpb posted for all of us...



If a bulb thermometer serves the purpose, probably one of the
secondary-school lab suppliers or the like will be the best bet.


Try Fisher Scientific for those.

Amazon will sell you a new Bacharach sling (wet/dry bulb) for $80 and
they had used ones for around $50. That gives you temperature and
relative humidity with a high degree of accuracy and you can use that
to calibrate your other stuff. When I am calibrating my spa
thermometer and thermostat I just use a regular fever thermometer
since the range is similar.

On 02/05/2018 08:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Hah. Very funny. I'll admit that the more mathematics
education I got, the worse my arithmetic skills became.
By the time I could solve differential equations, I was
using a calculator to balance my checkbook.

Over 50 years ago I'd learned the Trachtenberg system and could do long
multiplication in my head. Now I'm back to your basic 3rd grade times
table and I'm shaky on some of those.

On 02/05/2018 11:11 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per dpb:
The problem with inexpensive bulb thermometers is that the capillary
dimension has to be exceedingly precise in order to control both the
linearity and scaling and doing that drives the price up

What type would you say is the least prone to inaccuracy?

Bi-metallic spring?

Digital?

I have played around with digital sensors and a Raspberry PI and the accuracy
was pretty bad.... but maybe that's just el-cheapo sensors and/or my
programming approach...


Thermistor or RTD? A good RTD is fairly linear but thermistors need a
lot of processing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinh...3Hart_equation

Warning: funny math symbols ahead...

On 02/05/2018 11:41 AM, Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2018 11:35, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 5:33:30 PM UTC-5, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Cindy Hamilton:
I've never understood the "precision" argument. Does it matter whether
it's 70, 71, or 72 F ? I suppose 31, 32, and 33 F are more
significant.

My take is that when you're out in it a couple degrees, or even 1
degree F
can be significant and it seems easier to say "Fifty-One: than
"Ten-point-six".

Or do people who use Celsius just drop the decimal and say "Ten-six"?

They would just say 10. At
http://www.cbc.ca/windsor/weather/s0000646.html,
the current temperature is -14 and today's high is expected to be -5.
That's for Windsor, which is a short drive from where I am.

Cindy Hamilton

Bit of a coincidence Cindy, we live about ten minutes or so from
Windsor...but Windsor, England. About 4 miles from the castle :-)


windsor Ontario is an oddity; you have to drive south from Detroit to
get there.

On 02/05/2018 05:45 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
But it's stupidly designed. C is sensible: 0 is the freezing point of
water, 100 is boiling point, easy to understand. Why don't you also use
some weird base for maths, sorry math, instead of 10?

During my brief career as a math(s) teacher I tried to teach weird base
systems to 12 year olds. The A class (college bound) kids picked it up,
the D class (Dummies) couldn't make change for a dollar in the decimal
system let alone appreciate Sumeria sexagesimal calculations. But in
this country everyone is equal so they are taught the same things.

On 02/05/2018 05:45 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:


You're forgetting the IQ of Americans is considerably lower than any
other country.

You are forgetting Somalia -- and Scotland.

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:45:50 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 02/05/2018 11:11 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per dpb:
The problem with inexpensive bulb thermometers is that the capillary
dimension has to be exceedingly precise in order to control both the
linearity and scaling and doing that drives the price up

What type would you say is the least prone to inaccuracy?

Bi-metallic spring?

Digital?

I have played around with digital sensors and a Raspberry PI and the accuracy
was pretty bad.... but maybe that's just el-cheapo sensors and/or my
programming approach...


Thermistor or RTD? A good RTD is fairly linear but thermistors need a
lot of processing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinh...3Hart_equation

Warning: funny math symbols ahead...

There are also linear solutions using the LM134 and similar.

On 05/02/2018 19:52, dpb wrote:
On 2/5/2018 12:41 PM, Bod wrote:
...

Bit of a coincidence Cindy, we live about ten minutes or so from
Windsor...but Windsor, England. About 4 miles from the castle :-)

Have a nephew who was European Sales rep for Cessna who lived within
about that same radius...he's since returned to the States but we were
there a couple times while I was doing the coal flow testing at
Kingsnorth Station over in the Rochester/Chatham area...

--

I hope you had a reasonable time whilst over here?

--
Bod

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 1:14:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 06:03:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

We use what we are used to. OTOH Fahrenheit gives you about twice the
precision without resorting to decimals. I am comfortable with both
since my science friends are all C

Understood, but C has become the universal standard.

Where you live anyway. I speak fluent celsius but people just cock
their head here when I say the water was 22.8 this morning.

Let's see. Round 22.8 up to 23; take 23, double it and add 30: 76.
Close enough for jazz.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 7:45:17 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

But it's stupidly designed. C is sensible: 0 is the freezing point of water, 100 is boiling point, easy to understand. Why don't you also use some weird base for maths, sorry math, instead of 10?

I often use base 16.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 10:52:02 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2018 11:41 AM, Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2018 11:35, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 5:33:30 PM UTC-5, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Cindy Hamilton:
I've never understood the "precision" argument. Does it matter whether
it's 70, 71, or 72 F ? I suppose 31, 32, and 33 F are more
significant.

My take is that when you're out in it a couple degrees, or even 1
degree F
can be significant and it seems easier to say "Fifty-One: than
"Ten-point-six".

Or do people who use Celsius just drop the decimal and say "Ten-six"?

They would just say 10. At
http://www.cbc.ca/windsor/weather/s0000646.html,
the current temperature is -14 and today's high is expected to be -5.
That's for Windsor, which is a short drive from where I am.

Cindy Hamilton

Bit of a coincidence Cindy, we live about ten minutes or so from
Windsor...but Windsor, England. About 4 miles from the castle :-)


windsor Ontario is an oddity; you have to drive south from Detroit to
get there.

Yep. There was a Trivial Pursuit question about that. I've been driving
(or riding) south to get to Canada all my life.

Cindy Hamilton