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That's hard to imagine. One could buy a nice regular house in my
area for that. The median value of houses with mortgages was about $100,000 in 2013. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-21/mobile-homes-are-so-expensive-now-hurricane-victims-can-t-afford-them |
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replying to Dean Hoffman, Iggy wrote:
Agreed! Go figure, Warren Buffet enters the industry and prices "magically" skyrocket...again. Nothing about the both very easy hurricane resistance nor highest energy efficiency. Just wolves upon the prey...again. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...0-1151433-.htm |
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 05:31:12 -0600, Dean Hoffman
wrote: That's hard to imagine. One could buy a nice regular house in my area for that. The median value of houses with mortgages was about $100,000 in 2013. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-21/mobile-homes-are-so-expensive-now-hurricane-victims-can-t-afford-them I don't get it either but if they were dropping in on a water front lot that only accepts modular/mobile homes it might make a tiny bit of sense. It is pretty much impossible to get mobile home zoning in a place that was not grand fathered in here tho. I agree you could build a pretty nice concrete block and stucco house here for $200k. I admit my Cavco stock has been doing very well. |
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On 11/21/2017 10:14 AM, Iggy wrote:
replying to Dean Hoffman, Iggy wrote: Agreed! Go figure, Warren Buffet enters the industry and prices "magically" skyrocket...again. Nothing about the both very easy hurricane resistance nor highest energy efficiency. Just wolves upon the prey...again. Not really. Buffet's company reacted to the pre-hurricane market where buyers wanted more upscale mobile homes. It is not a matter of price gouging a giving people what they want. There is an opportunity here to supply a basic, modest priced home. Rather than gripe about what others chose to make, jump in and start making the cheaper ones. If you crash your Chevy, don't blame the Caddy dealer because you cannot afford what he sells. You won't find a $5000 Chevy any more either. |
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:36:30 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/21/2017 10:14 AM, Iggy wrote: replying to Dean Hoffman, Iggy wrote: Agreed! Go figure, Warren Buffet enters the industry and prices "magically" skyrocket...again. Nothing about the both very easy hurricane resistance nor highest energy efficiency. Just wolves upon the prey...again. Not really. Buffet's company reacted to the pre-hurricane market where buyers wanted more upscale mobile homes. It is not a matter of price gouging a giving people what they want. There is an opportunity here to supply a basic, modest priced home. Rather than gripe about what others chose to make, jump in and start making the cheaper ones. If you crash your Chevy, don't blame the Caddy dealer because you cannot afford what he sells. You won't find a $5000 Chevy any more either. Since this story seemed to be centered around Naples/Ft Myers Fla it should also be noted that these trailers need to be 160 MPH wind code and that is up to 80 MPH more than your average site built home up north. Bear in mind wind pressure not a linear scale. That is the reason why so many get blown up. A trailer set in the 70s only needed to be 80MPH rated if it was rated at all. It also explains why northern houses sustain so much damage in minimal storms that we would not even put up the shutters for. |
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On 11/21/2017 10:14 AM, Iggy wrote:
replying to Dean Hoffman, Iggy wrote: Agreed! Go figure, Warren Buffet enters the industry and prices "magically" skyrocket...again. Nothing about the both very easy hurricane resistance nor highest energy efficiency. Just wolves upon the prey...again. There is the supply and demand disruption from the hurricane. Mobile homes are not sold like regular houses and loan periods are more like those for a car. Plus if you do not own the property there is a rental fee. Mobile homes are the first thing to go in a hurricane or tornado and buying them in areas prone to that is a mistake. Premanufactured homes are different as they are put together in a factory but are a permanent residence put on your property with a regular mortgage. |
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replying to Ed Pawlowski, Iggy wrote:
Yep, just like he ruined Acme, Benjamin Moore, Insurance, Electricity Rates, Dairy Queen, Fruit of the Loom and Duracell. Up the price "claim" new and improved and yet only looks were new and nothing was improved and only worsened. He preys upon those that, unbelievably, still believe in "you get what you pay for". The King of Cheap. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...0-1151433-.htm |
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replying to Frank, Iggy wrote:
Yep, I know. But, we are talking about cookie cutter on every level. To not ramp-up your cheapest models that are far quicker to produce to meet the ACTUAL demand and only offer your most expensive models is pretty sinister. Clearly putting profits before people and especially their best interests. He's setting up another slew of Underwater Mortgages and the next generation of homeless. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...0-1151433-.htm |
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On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:47:41 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Nope, even your garden shed has to be built to wind code. We don't see many of those sheet metal things they sell up north and if they are here, they were put in without a permit (illegally). There is no exception for size, square footage, portable or any of the other dodges you get in other places. It is more about them becoming flying debris than the loss of the shed itself. There's a trailer park (quite a nice one, thus far) located just west of our property. We've always imagined trailers rolling across our lawn like tumbleweeds while we sit snug in our concrete block house. Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 11/22/2017 4:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Just lay old tires on top of it to hold it down... |
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On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 11/22/2017 4:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Just lay old tires on top of it to hold it down... Snerk. Good one. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 11/22/2017 8:49 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/22/2017 4:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Â* Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity.Â* Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere.Â* Knock wood. Just lay old tires on top of it to hold it down... I don't think it is too hard with new construction to tie down roof to walls. Gravity is depended to keep the roof on but wind might overcome it and a few extra braces, whatever, make sure gravity is not overcome. |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:36:46 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote: On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:47:41 PM UTC-5, wrote: Nope, even your garden shed has to be built to wind code. We don't see many of those sheet metal things they sell up north and if they are here, they were put in without a permit (illegally). There is no exception for size, square footage, portable or any of the other dodges you get in other places. It is more about them becoming flying debris than the loss of the shed itself. There's a trailer park (quite a nice one, thus far) located just west of our property. We've always imagined trailers rolling across our lawn like tumbleweeds while we sit snug in our concrete block house. Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Cindy Hamilton Most northern homes are pretty much held together by gravity. The trusses are toe nailed into the top plate and that is end nailed into the studs. If it is sitting on block there may not even be nuts on the "J" bolts that are just mortared into one cell of the block holding the top plate down. In Florida the roof is continuously connected to the foundation by simpson connectors and block walls are reinforced with about 20% of the cells poured solid and #5 rebar continuous from the foundation to the 16" poured tie beam on top. Then embedded straps go over the trusses. They have required tie downs on trailers since the 60s and they have to meet the same wind code as a site built home. There was a time around 2000 that nobody in the US built a Florida compliant trailer. It was a problem because you can't get a permit to move an existing, non-compliant trailer and install it somewhere else. |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:03:25 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote: On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote: On 11/22/2017 4:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Just lay old tires on top of it to hold it down... Snerk. Good one. Cindy Hamilton They actually do that in some places but if you have a real hurricane, those tires will be going for a ride along with the roof. |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:06:34 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:
On 11/22/2017 8:49 AM, rbowman wrote: On 11/22/2017 4:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Â* Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity.Â* Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere.Â* Knock wood. Just lay old tires on top of it to hold it down... I don't think it is too hard with new construction to tie down roof to walls. Gravity is depended to keep the roof on but wind might overcome it and a few extra braces, whatever, make sure gravity is not overcome. More than a few. |
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On 11/22/2017 6:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:47:41 PM UTC-5, wrote: Nope, even your garden shed has to be built to wind code. We don't see many of those sheet metal things they sell up north and if they are here, they were put in without a permit (illegally). There is no exception for size, square footage, portable or any of the other dodges you get in other places. It is more about them becoming flying debris than the loss of the shed itself. There's a trailer park (quite a nice one, thus far) located just west of our property. We've always imagined trailers rolling across our lawn like tumbleweeds while we sit snug in our concrete block house. Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Cindy Hamilton I think one of the issues here is inflation and expectations. That quite nice trailer park may be loaded with $200,000+ units that would be quite nice. If they were lost, insurance would cover most of the replacement cost. The trailer park down the road is much older. The owners bought new units back then for $40,000, maybe less. Can you get insurance for replacement value? If destroyed 40 years later, they cannot get that $40,000 trailer. OMG, what do I do? I'll blame Warren Buffet. I bought my first house in 1966 and paid $10,600. If it was destroyed, I'd have to pay considerably more to find anything at all above a storage shed. I sold that house for triple what I paid but still spent double that for my present house that has quadrupled in value. |
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Trailer house. $238,000. Sun**** ****eau $2,200.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:04:42 -0800, "fake vet Scatboi Colon La Edmund
J. Burke" wrote: On 11/21/2017 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: *** That's hard to imagine.* One could buy a nice regular house in my area for that. The median value of houses with mortgages was about $100,000 in 2013. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-21/mobile-homes-are-so-expensive-now-hurricane-victims-can-t-afford-them LOL! My driveway here at Sunset Chateau was appraised at well over a million. Sell a couple of miles of it and you won't have to shop at Food-4-Less any more! LOLOK - - " I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested Arizona." - Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected Iudaei orbem terrarum infestant. - correct Latin "Die Juden sind unser Unglück!" - Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896) "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out because I did not give a ****. Then they came for me and there wasn't a single commie ******* left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984) Fformby-Smythe's Law of zionism: "The importance of 'Israeel' to any given jew is directly proportional to the square of the distance between that jew and 'Israeel'." |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:45:47 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/22/2017 6:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:47:41 PM UTC-5, wrote: Nope, even your garden shed has to be built to wind code. We don't see many of those sheet metal things they sell up north and if they are here, they were put in without a permit (illegally). There is no exception for size, square footage, portable or any of the other dodges you get in other places. It is more about them becoming flying debris than the loss of the shed itself. There's a trailer park (quite a nice one, thus far) located just west of our property. We've always imagined trailers rolling across our lawn like tumbleweeds while we sit snug in our concrete block house. Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Cindy Hamilton I think one of the issues here is inflation and expectations. That quite nice trailer park may be loaded with $200,000+ units that would be quite nice. If they were lost, insurance would cover most of the replacement cost. The trailer park down the road is much older. The owners bought new units back then for $40,000, maybe less. Can you get insurance for replacement value? If destroyed 40 years later, they cannot get that $40,000 trailer. OMG, what do I do? I'll blame Warren Buffet. I bought my first house in 1966 and paid $10,600. If it was destroyed, I'd have to pay considerably more to find anything at all above a storage shed. I sold that house for triple what I paid but still spent double that for my present house that has quadrupled in value. Insurance usually comes with the top limit they will pay, replacement or not and you pay a premium based on that. They also manage risk based on inspections and mitigation. Down here you get reduced premiums if you bring your old house up to current "uplift" and other wind codes. Trailers are different breed of cat and you might not be able to get "storm" insurance on an older unit. You would only have fire, theft and liability homeowners. In fact that is all I carry on my house. Storm and Flood are just too expensive to make sense. |
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Trailer house. $238,000. Sun**** ****eau $2,200.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:29:02 -0800, "fake vet Scatboi Colon La Edmund
J. Burke" wrote: On 11/22/2017 8:19 AM, jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash) wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:04:42 -0800, "fake vet Scatboi Colon La Edmund J. Burke" wrote: On 11/21/2017 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: *** That's hard to imagine.* One could buy a nice regular house in my area for that. The median value of houses with mortgages was about $100,000 in 2013. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-21/mobile-homes-are-so-expensive-now-hurricane-victims-can-t-afford-them LOL! My driveway here at Sunset Chateau was appraised at well over a million. Sell a couple of miles of it and you won't have to shop at Food-4-Less any more! LOLOK Listen up, stoopid bitch. My lovedoll and I shop at Food-4-Less cuz we wanna shop there. **** off. YOU listen up, dumb ditsoon. Yer moulie tranny and you shop there cuz you can't AFFORD real food! **** orf. - - " I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested Arizona." - Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected Iudaei orbem terrarum infestant. - correct Latin "Die Juden sind unser Unglück!" - Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896) "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out because I did not give a ****. Then they came for me and there wasn't a single commie ******* left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984) Fformby-Smythe's Law of zionism: "The importance of 'Israeel' to any given jew is directly proportional to the square of the distance between that jew and 'Israeel'." |
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Everyone KEEPS having Endless Fun Slapping Poor Dumb Anal ****** Goran Razovic around the Place! LOL
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:19:09 -0800, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)", farted again: Listen up, stoopid bitch. My lovedoll and I shop at Food-4-Less cuz we wanna shop there. **** off. YOU listen up, dumb ditsoon. Yer moulie tranny and you shop there cuz you can't AFFORD real food! **** orf. He can **** in your mouth, if you want it, Razovic. And we all KNOW that you WANT it! LOL -- Colonel Edmund J. Burke about dumb anal Goran Razovic: "She's just another bloody used tampax wrapped in a douche bag." MID: |
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Iggy m wrote:
Agreed! Go figure, Warren Buffet enters the industry and prices "magically" skyrocket...again. Nothing about the both very easy hurricane resistance nor highest energy efficiency. Just wolves upon the prey...again. Warren Buffett has always reminded me of the character played by Will Geer in the 1966 movie Seconds: so avuncular, so ruthless. |
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On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 10:36:18 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:36:46 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:47:41 PM UTC-5, wrote: Nope, even your garden shed has to be built to wind code. We don't see many of those sheet metal things they sell up north and if they are here, they were put in without a permit (illegally). There is no exception for size, square footage, portable or any of the other dodges you get in other places. It is more about them becoming flying debris than the loss of the shed itself. There's a trailer park (quite a nice one, thus far) located just west of our property. We've always imagined trailers rolling across our lawn like tumbleweeds while we sit snug in our concrete block house. Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Cindy Hamilton Most northern homes are pretty much held together by gravity. The trusses are toe nailed into the top plate and that is end nailed into the studs. That's certainly what I've seen in stick-built houses up here. I'm not even sure I've got a top plate. The birdsmouth on the rafter might just rest on the top course of concrete block. The only studs in my house are in interior walls. I'm sure my husband has seen the junction of roof and walls, but he's not available for me to ask right now. It's all buried under insulation, since we don't have any soffits. If it is sitting on block there may not even be nuts on the "J" bolts that are just mortared into one cell of the block holding the top plate down. In Florida the roof is continuously connected to the foundation by simpson connectors We've got those on the shop that we built in 2006: http://www.fastenersplus.com/Simpson-H8-Hurricane-Tie-G90-Galvanized?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3dTQBRDnARIsAGKSflk0j4yhG ROP35bugpRDniVQ7MCoIa6cnxSI6Sx6Fi--L7d6JJtbYDIaAr4gEALw_wcB Nailed 'em in with my own lily-white hands. (You can always tell a lady by her hands.) and block walls are reinforced with about 20% of the cells poured solid and #5 rebar continuous from the foundation to the 16" poured tie beam on top. Then embedded straps go over the trusses. That's hardcore. Still, I can see why. They have required tie downs on trailers since the 60s and they have to meet the same wind code as a site built home. There was a time around 2000 that nobody in the US built a Florida compliant trailer. It was a problem because you can't get a permit to move an existing, non-compliant trailer and install it somewhere else. I'm pretty sure the trailers next door are tied down in some way. Maybe not as well as down there. Cindy Hamilton |
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replying to Neill Massello, Iggy wrote:
Had to look that one up. Yep, I agree with you. Especially, that blinking thing...I could totally see Warren doing that! -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...0-1151433-.htm |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:46:11 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote: On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 10:36:18 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:36:46 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:47:41 PM UTC-5, wrote: Nope, even your garden shed has to be built to wind code. We don't see many of those sheet metal things they sell up north and if they are here, they were put in without a permit (illegally). There is no exception for size, square footage, portable or any of the other dodges you get in other places. It is more about them becoming flying debris than the loss of the shed itself. There's a trailer park (quite a nice one, thus far) located just west of our property. We've always imagined trailers rolling across our lawn like tumbleweeds while we sit snug in our concrete block house. Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Cindy Hamilton Most northern homes are pretty much held together by gravity. The trusses are toe nailed into the top plate and that is end nailed into the studs. That's certainly what I've seen in stick-built houses up here. I'm not even sure I've got a top plate. The birdsmouth on the rafter might just rest on the top course of concrete block. The only studs in my house are in interior walls. I'm sure my husband has seen the junction of roof and walls, but he's not available for me to ask right now. It's all buried under insulation, since we don't have any soffits. If it is sitting on block there may not even be nuts on the "J" bolts that are just mortared into one cell of the block holding the top plate down. In Florida the roof is continuously connected to the foundation by simpson connectors We've got those on the shop that we built in 2006: http://www.fastenersplus.com/Simpson-H8-Hurricane-Tie-G90-Galvanized?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3dTQBRDnARIsAGKSflk0j4yhG ROP35bugpRDniVQ7MCoIa6cnxSI6Sx6Fi--L7d6JJtbYDIaAr4gEALw_wcB Nailed 'em in with my own lily-white hands. (You can always tell a lady by her hands.) Those H8 "twisties" are better than toe nailing but they don't meet code for much down here. You use something like this for the trusses. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-...-H16/100375116 |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:17:28 -0500, Tekkie®
wrote: posted for all of us... On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:36:46 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:47:41 PM UTC-5, wrote: Nope, even your garden shed has to be built to wind code. We don't see many of those sheet metal things they sell up north and if they are here, they were put in without a permit (illegally). There is no exception for size, square footage, portable or any of the other dodges you get in other places. It is more about them becoming flying debris than the loss of the shed itself. There's a trailer park (quite a nice one, thus far) located just west of our property. We've always imagined trailers rolling across our lawn like tumbleweeds while we sit snug in our concrete block house. Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Cindy Hamilton Most northern homes are pretty much held together by gravity. The trusses are toe nailed into the top plate and that is end nailed into the studs. If it is sitting on block there may not even be nuts on the "J" bolts that are just mortared into one cell of the block holding the top plate down. In Florida the roof is continuously connected to the foundation by simpson connectors and block walls are reinforced with about 20% of the cells poured solid and #5 rebar continuous from the foundation to the 16" poured tie beam on top. Then embedded straps go over the trusses. They have required tie downs on trailers since the 60s and they have to meet the same wind code as a site built home. There was a time around 2000 that nobody in the US built a Florida compliant trailer. It was a problem because you can't get a permit to move an existing, non-compliant trailer and install it somewhere else. What "J" bolts? We don't need no stinkn j bolts up here. We have enough dead weight in PA to hold everything down... Until you don't ;-) Most hurricane damage to structures is because of uplift and internal pressure lifting the roof off or taking a stick built house right off the foundation. You guys saw that during "Mediocre Storm Sandy" that was only "super" because the houses were not built to take even a minimal tropical storm. |
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Trailer house. $238,000
On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 12:22:17 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:46:11 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 10:36:18 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:36:46 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:47:41 PM UTC-5, wrote: Nope, even your garden shed has to be built to wind code. We don't see many of those sheet metal things they sell up north and if they are here, they were put in without a permit (illegally). There is no exception for size, square footage, portable or any of the other dodges you get in other places. It is more about them becoming flying debris than the loss of the shed itself. There's a trailer park (quite a nice one, thus far) located just west of our property. We've always imagined trailers rolling across our lawn like tumbleweeds while we sit snug in our concrete block house. Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Cindy Hamilton Most northern homes are pretty much held together by gravity. The trusses are toe nailed into the top plate and that is end nailed into the studs. That's certainly what I've seen in stick-built houses up here. I'm not even sure I've got a top plate. The birdsmouth on the rafter might just rest on the top course of concrete block. The only studs in my house are in interior walls. I'm sure my husband has seen the junction of roof and walls, but he's not available for me to ask right now. It's all buried under insulation, since we don't have any soffits. If it is sitting on block there may not even be nuts on the "J" bolts that are just mortared into one cell of the block holding the top plate down. In Florida the roof is continuously connected to the foundation by simpson connectors We've got those on the shop that we built in 2006: http://www.fastenersplus.com/Simpson-H8-Hurricane-Tie-G90-Galvanized?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3dTQBRDnARIsAGKSflk0j4yhG ROP35bugpRDniVQ7MCoIa6cnxSI6Sx6Fi--L7d6JJtbYDIaAr4gEALw_wcB Nailed 'em in with my own lily-white hands. (You can always tell a lady by her hands.) Those H8 "twisties" are better than toe nailing but they don't meet code for much down here. You use something like this for the trusses. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-...-H16/100375116 Granted. On the other hand, the code for footing depth is deeper here, because of frost. We each have the code we need for our conditions. Cindy Hamilton |
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Trailer house. $238,000
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:26:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote: On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 12:22:17 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:46:11 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 10:36:18 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:36:46 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:47:41 PM UTC-5, wrote: Nope, even your garden shed has to be built to wind code. We don't see many of those sheet metal things they sell up north and if they are here, they were put in without a permit (illegally). There is no exception for size, square footage, portable or any of the other dodges you get in other places. It is more about them becoming flying debris than the loss of the shed itself. There's a trailer park (quite a nice one, thus far) located just west of our property. We've always imagined trailers rolling across our lawn like tumbleweeds while we sit snug in our concrete block house. Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Cindy Hamilton Most northern homes are pretty much held together by gravity. The trusses are toe nailed into the top plate and that is end nailed into the studs. That's certainly what I've seen in stick-built houses up here. I'm not even sure I've got a top plate. The birdsmouth on the rafter might just rest on the top course of concrete block. The only studs in my house are in interior walls. I'm sure my husband has seen the junction of roof and walls, but he's not available for me to ask right now. It's all buried under insulation, since we don't have any soffits. If it is sitting on block there may not even be nuts on the "J" bolts that are just mortared into one cell of the block holding the top plate down. In Florida the roof is continuously connected to the foundation by simpson connectors We've got those on the shop that we built in 2006: http://www.fastenersplus.com/Simpson-H8-Hurricane-Tie-G90-Galvanized?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3dTQBRDnARIsAGKSflk0j4yhG ROP35bugpRDniVQ7MCoIa6cnxSI6Sx6Fi--L7d6JJtbYDIaAr4gEALw_wcB Nailed 'em in with my own lily-white hands. (You can always tell a lady by her hands.) Those H8 "twisties" are better than toe nailing but they don't meet code for much down here. You use something like this for the trusses. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-...-H16/100375116 Granted. On the other hand, the code for footing depth is deeper here, because of frost. We each have the code we need for our conditions. Cindy Hamilton If the house is not firmly connected to the footing, it will just give you a good indication of where it used to be. ;-) "Mediocre Storm Sandy" proved the north does need a better building code, particularly if you are on the global warming band wagon. |
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Trailer house. $238,000
On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 1:40:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:26:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 12:22:17 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:46:11 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 10:36:18 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:36:46 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:47:41 PM UTC-5, wrote: Nope, even your garden shed has to be built to wind code. We don't see many of those sheet metal things they sell up north and if they are here, they were put in without a permit (illegally). There is no exception for size, square footage, portable or any of the other dodges you get in other places. It is more about them becoming flying debris than the loss of the shed itself. There's a trailer park (quite a nice one, thus far) located just west of our property. We've always imagined trailers rolling across our lawn like tumbleweeds while we sit snug in our concrete block house. Of course, our roof would present some difficulties for those downwind of us, since I think it's held on by gravity. Still, in 70 years it hasn't gone anywhere. Knock wood. Cindy Hamilton Most northern homes are pretty much held together by gravity. The trusses are toe nailed into the top plate and that is end nailed into the studs. That's certainly what I've seen in stick-built houses up here. I'm not even sure I've got a top plate. The birdsmouth on the rafter might just rest on the top course of concrete block. The only studs in my house are in interior walls. I'm sure my husband has seen the junction of roof and walls, but he's not available for me to ask right now. It's all buried under insulation, since we don't have any soffits. If it is sitting on block there may not even be nuts on the "J" bolts that are just mortared into one cell of the block holding the top plate down. In Florida the roof is continuously connected to the foundation by simpson connectors We've got those on the shop that we built in 2006: http://www.fastenersplus.com/Simpson-H8-Hurricane-Tie-G90-Galvanized?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3dTQBRDnARIsAGKSflk0j4yhG ROP35bugpRDniVQ7MCoIa6cnxSI6Sx6Fi--L7d6JJtbYDIaAr4gEALw_wcB Nailed 'em in with my own lily-white hands. (You can always tell a lady by her hands.) Those H8 "twisties" are better than toe nailing but they don't meet code for much down here. You use something like this for the trusses. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-...-H16/100375116 Granted. On the other hand, the code for footing depth is deeper here, because of frost. We each have the code we need for our conditions. Cindy Hamilton If the house is not firmly connected to the footing, it will just give you a good indication of where it used to be. ;-) "Mediocre Storm Sandy" proved the north does need a better building code, particularly if you are on the global warming band wagon. There's a reason that codes get more demanding over time. We learn as we go. Cindy Hamilton |
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