New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

Thursday evening, 7/13/2017, I went to take a bath and found there was
NO hot water. I did notice my sump pump in the basement was pumping
with regularity but fresh air return is located down there as well so
I wasn't particularly concerned. After heading down there I see water
water continually leaking from the 10 year old water heater. @$#%*&!,
there's an unexpected expense!!

To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement as I have
nothing down there but the furnace and the water heater. I called
Friday morning to my local natural gas company and the price they
quoted me for a new water heater was exorbitant. I should have
known to not call them as last time I needed a new water heater
they were higher than any plumber but I was hoping since I am a
customer I might get a little price break. Forger that. Anyway
I had a plumber to come install a new 50 gallon water heater and
while he was there he saw the pipe for exhaust fumes from the
furnace had several large holes in it. He told me to NOT turn on
my furnace until that pipe was replaced.

He comes back with my new water heater and new vent pipe for the
furnace as well! The purpose of this post is warn people to go
into their basements a couple times a year just to make sure
pipes, water lines, duct work, etc. all look ok. Don't be a
dummy like me, you might not wake up one morning.

I've also had a vapor barrier laid in my basement as it's only a
dugout. I have not heard my sump pump come on once since the
new water heater and barrier have been installed. Yes, I know,
it's my fault completely for not checking down there a couple
times per year, but I've learned my lesson, believe me, I have
learned my lesson!!

Another foolish thing I have corrected is buying a carbon
monoxide detector which I should have had ALL these years
living in this house. I bought one of those Kidde models
that has the non-replaceable lithium battery guaranteed for
10 years. Back in the Spring I bought the same battery type
smoke detector that is outside my bedroom as will be the
carbon monoxide detector.

My lecture is over and I hope others won't be an 'ostrich
with her head in the sand' like me. It could save your life.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 7/16/2017 5:24 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:



To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement as I have
nothing down there but the furnace and the water heater. I called
Friday morning to my local natural gas company and the price they
quoted me for a new water heater was exorbitant. I should have
known to not call them as last time I needed a new water heater
they were higher than any plumber but I was hoping since I am a
customer I might get a little price break.

Fifty years ago you'd have been right. Gas company not only gave a good
price but it was added to your monthly bill. Those days are gone.


I had a plumber to come install a new 50 gallon water heater and
while he was there he saw the pipe for exhaust fumes from the
furnace had several large holes in it. He told me to NOT turn on
my furnace until that pipe was replaced.

He comes back with my new water heater and new vent pipe for the
furnace as well! The purpose of this post is warn people to go
into their basements a couple times a year just to make sure
pipes, water lines, duct work, etc. all look ok. Don't be a
dummy like me, you might not wake up one morning.


This is totally believable. If everything is working right, no
incentive to really go looking. Tsk, tsk on no CO detector though.
These days they are cheap enough that everyone should have one unless
you are in an all electric house.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:24:22 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:


Thursday evening, 7/13/2017, I went to take a bath and found there was
NO hot water. I did notice my sump pump in the basement was pumping
with regularity but fresh air return is located down there as well so
I wasn't particularly concerned. After heading down there I see water
water continually leaking from the 10 year old water heater. @$#%*&!,
there's an unexpected expense!!

To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement as I have
nothing down there but the furnace and the water heater. I called
Friday morning to my local natural gas company and the price they
quoted me for a new water heater was exorbitant. I should have
known to not call them as last time I needed a new water heater
they were higher than any plumber but I was hoping since I am a
customer I might get a little price break. Forger that. Anyway
I had a plumber to come install a new 50 gallon water heater and
while he was there he saw the pipe for exhaust fumes from the
furnace had several large holes in it. He told me to NOT turn on
my furnace until that pipe was replaced.

He comes back with my new water heater and new vent pipe for the
furnace as well! The purpose of this post is warn people to go
into their basements a couple times a year just to make sure
pipes, water lines, duct work, etc. all look ok. Don't be a
dummy like me, you might not wake up one morning.

I've also had a vapor barrier laid in my basement as it's only a
dugout. I have not heard my sump pump come on once since the
new water heater and barrier have been installed. Yes, I know,
it's my fault completely for not checking down there a couple
times per year, but I've learned my lesson, believe me, I have
learned my lesson!!

Another foolish thing I have corrected is buying a carbon
monoxide detector which I should have had ALL these years
living in this house. I bought one of those Kidde models
that has the non-replaceable lithium battery guaranteed for
10 years. Back in the Spring I bought the same battery type
smoke detector that is outside my bedroom as will be the
carbon monoxide detector.

My lecture is over and I hope others won't be an 'ostrich
with her head in the sand' like me. It could save your life.

You had a close call with the CO, I am glad you caught it before
something horrible happened.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 7/16/2017 5:24 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:

Thursday evening, 7/13/2017, I went to take a bath and found there was
NO hot water. I did notice my sump pump in the basement was pumping
with regularity but fresh air return is located down there as well so
I wasn't particularly concerned. After heading down there I see water
water continually leaking from the 10 year old water heater. @$#%*&!,
there's an unexpected expense!!

To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement as I have
nothing down there but the furnace and the water heater. I called
Friday morning to my local natural gas company and the price they
quoted me for a new water heater was exorbitant. I should have
known to not call them as last time I needed a new water heater
they were higher than any plumber but I was hoping since I am a
customer I might get a little price break. Forger that. Anyway
I had a plumber to come install a new 50 gallon water heater and
while he was there he saw the pipe for exhaust fumes from the
furnace had several large holes in it. He told me to NOT turn on
my furnace until that pipe was replaced.

He comes back with my new water heater and new vent pipe for the
furnace as well! The purpose of this post is warn people to go
into their basements a couple times a year just to make sure
pipes, water lines, duct work, etc. all look ok. Don't be a
dummy like me, you might not wake up one morning.

I've also had a vapor barrier laid in my basement as it's only a
dugout. I have not heard my sump pump come on once since the
new water heater and barrier have been installed. Yes, I know,
it's my fault completely for not checking down there a couple
times per year, but I've learned my lesson, believe me, I have
learned my lesson!!

Another foolish thing I have corrected is buying a carbon
monoxide detector which I should have had ALL these years
living in this house. I bought one of those Kidde models
that has the non-replaceable lithium battery guaranteed for
10 years. Back in the Spring I bought the same battery type
smoke detector that is outside my bedroom as will be the
carbon monoxide detector.

My lecture is over and I hope others won't be an 'ostrich
with her head in the sand' like me. It could save your life.


Our finished family room in the basement is next to the furnace room and
I check it frequently. Our electric water heater sprung a leak in
December. Water drains into French drain but there is no sump pump as
basement is dry but flooding might cause a problem. Last year AC
condensate pipe that also dumps into the French drain got clogged and
there was a puddle under the furnace.

CO detectors have a finite lifetime and when battery goes detection
ability may be lost also. I replaced mine as well as old smoke
detectors a couple of years ago. I don't like having both type
detectors in one spot as if one starts beeping, you may not know which.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 6:20:10 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:

CO detectors have a finite lifetime and when battery goes detection
ability may be lost also. I replaced mine as well as old smoke
detectors a couple of years ago. I don't like having both type
detectors in one spot as if one starts beeping, you may not know which.


Yes, when the battery gets low they do have an annoying chirp to get
your attention.

It doesn't matter if both smoke and CO detectors are near each other,
if one goes off it's certainly going to get attention and I will be investigating what's causing the alarm.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 5:01:54 PM UTC-5, Stormin' Norman wrote:

You had a close call with the CO, I am glad you caught it before
something horrible happened.


Yes, it did scare the bejeebers out of me.

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On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 4:48:28 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Fifty years ago you'd have been right. Gas company not only gave a good
price but it was added to your monthly bill. Those days are gone.


Yep, they used to try to get your business if you needed a new
appliance. It's almost like they have overpriced everything to
discourage you from calling.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 07/16/2017 05:24 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement as I have
nothing down there but the furnace and the water heater. I called
Friday morning to my local natural gas company and the price they
quoted me for a new water heater was exorbitant. I should have
known to not call them as last time I needed a new water heater
they were higher than any plumber but I was hoping since I am a
customer I might get a little price break. Forger that.


Hi Joann,

Just curious but did you get the model with WiFi?

And how much was the quote from your gas company?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Per...0U0W/206777719

Thanks in advance,

Bea

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:31:32 AM UTC-5, Bea Taylor wrote:
On 07/16/2017 05:24 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement as I have
nothing down there but the furnace and the water heater. I called
Friday morning to my local natural gas company and the price they
quoted me for a new water heater was exorbitant. I should have
known to not call them as last time I needed a new water heater
they were higher than any plumber but I was hoping since I am a
customer I might get a little price break. Forger that.


Hi Joann,

Just curious but did you get the model with WiFi?

And how much was the quote from your gas company?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Per...0U0W/206777719

Thanks in advance,

Bea


I got a 50 gallon model and if it has Wi-Fi I don't know and I'd
have no use for a Wi-Fi water heater. Fifty gallons is as large
as I could go in the space I have and would have liked a bit
larger but that's the limit for my dugout basement due to height,
and angle of the exhaust pipe.

My local natural gas company quoted me $1524 for a 50 gallon
capacity, plus tax, plus parts, plus the permit. $2610 for
a 75 gallon capacity plus tax, plus parts, plus the permit.
The purchase of a permit is just a price gouging tactic.

I had thought of the on-demand instant water heaters but their
prices are ridiculous with such a short warranty. If they had
a 25 year warranty I'd consider it but 10 years is insulting.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement

So the fact that the water heater failed may have saved your life because it alerted you to the problem with the furnace.

Count your blessings.

m

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 9:15:48 AM UTC-5, wrote:

To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement

So the fact that the water heater failed may have saved your life because it alerted you to the problem with the furnace.

Count your blessings.

m


Absolutely. I DO think it's a blessing in disguise. If not for
it's failure in all likelihood first time I turned on my furnace
in November I'd never woken up.

Yes, I was fussing that it failed and only thinking of the
expense until the plumber pointed out the numerous large holes
in the exhaust pipe. I thanked the Lord profusely in my prayers
that night that he saw fit to spare me a while longer.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 7/17/2017 11:35 AM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 9:15:48 AM UTC-5, wrote:

To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement

So the fact that the water heater failed may have saved your life because it alerted you to the problem with the furnace.

Count your blessings.

m


Absolutely. I DO think it's a blessing in disguise. If not for
it's failure in all likelihood first time I turned on my furnace
in November I'd never woken up.

Yes, I was fussing that it failed and only thinking of the
expense until the plumber pointed out the numerous large holes
in the exhaust pipe. I thanked the Lord profusely in my prayers
that night that he saw fit to spare me a while longer.


I'm glad you got the warning, so you could fix it! Glad you're still
alive and posting here.

--
Maggie

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 07/16/2017 04:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

[snip]

Tsk, tsk on no CO detector though.
These days they are cheap enough that everyone should have one unless
you are in an all electric house.


I know someone who has a CO detector (provided by management) in an
all-electric apartment. There is no fuel in the building.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"I do not need the idea of God to explain the world I live in." [Salman
Rushdie, on David Frost show]

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 07/16/2017 09:38 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:

[snip]

Yes, when the battery gets low they do have an annoying chirp to get
your attention.

One SHORT chirp every minute of so. When you hear such a chirp, I may
not be easy to determine what device is doing it.

It doesn't matter if both smoke and CO detectors are near each other,
if one goes off it's certainly going to get attention and I will be investigating what's causing the alarm.


--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"I do not need the idea of God to explain the world I live in." [Salman
Rushdie, on David Frost show]

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 7/16/2017 10:38 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 6:20:10 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:

CO detectors have a finite lifetime and when battery goes detection
ability may be lost also. I replaced mine as well as old smoke
detectors a couple of years ago. I don't like having both type
detectors in one spot as if one starts beeping, you may not know which.


Yes, when the battery gets low they do have an annoying chirp to get
your attention.

It doesn't matter if both smoke and CO detectors are near each other,
if one goes off it's certainly going to get attention and I will be investigating what's causing the alarm.

My main reason was that two smoke detectors were in hallway in 1st and
second floor and with CO detector on 2nd floor hallway. One was
chirping and pain to figure which. All old units, nothing except chirp.
That's why I put CO detector in the bedroom.

Many years ago we had a crack in the furnace causing house to get sooted
up. We did not feel ill but had no CO detector at the time. We did
need a new furnace and a thorough house cleaning.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 07/17/2017 08:31 AM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:

[snip]

I had thought of the on-demand instant water heaters but their
prices are ridiculous with such a short warranty. If they had
a 25 year warranty I'd consider it but 10 years is insulting.


And you'd have to pay for upgraded gas service.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 11:49:22 AM UTC-5, Mark Lloyd wrote:

I know someone who has a CO detector (provided by management) in an
all-electric apartment. There is no fuel in the building.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/


I guess they wanted to cover all bases even though the CO detector
was not needed. Some people will sue over the drop of a hat and I
guess having one would stop being dragged into court.

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On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 11:56:17 AM UTC-5, Sam E wrote:

On 07/17/2017 08:31 AM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:

[snip]

I had thought of the on-demand instant water heaters but their
prices are ridiculous with such a short warranty. If they had
a 25 year warranty I'd consider it but 10 years is insulting.


And you'd have to pay for upgraded gas service.


That was a great possibility. If were building a new house I
might consider the on-demand or just go with solar panels. But
as I'm planning on being in this house until they haul me out
on a stretcher with a sheet over my face I'll just stick with
a traditional gas water heater.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:

I'm glad you got the warning, so you could fix it! Glad you're still
alive and posting here.

--
Maggie


Thank you and me, too! As bitter as this world can be at times I'm
in no hurry to leave it.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 7/17/2017 1:10 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:

I'm glad you got the warning, so you could fix it! Glad you're still
alive and posting here.

--
Maggie


Thank you and me, too! As bitter as this world can be at times I'm
in no hurry to leave it.


Amen to that!

We had an electrical wire burning in the wall for a long time and
couldn't find the source until we had a new roof put on. The plugs quit
working the very evening the roofer finished the job, so we thought the
two were related.

If we hadn't had the roof put on, we'd not have found the wire and
gotten it fixed. He said it could have caused a major fire.

--
Maggie

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

ItsJoanNotJoann posted for all of us...



Thursday evening, 7/13/2017, I went to take a bath and found there was
NO hot water. I did notice my sump pump in the basement was pumping
with regularity but fresh air return is located down there as well so
I wasn't particularly concerned. After heading down there I see water
water continually leaking from the 10 year old water heater. @$#%*&!,
there's an unexpected expense!!

To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement as I have
nothing down there but the furnace and the water heater. I called
Friday morning to my local natural gas company and the price they
quoted me for a new water heater was exorbitant. I should have
known to not call them as last time I needed a new water heater
they were higher than any plumber but I was hoping since I am a
customer I might get a little price break. Forger that. Anyway
I had a plumber to come install a new 50 gallon water heater and
while he was there he saw the pipe for exhaust fumes from the
furnace had several large holes in it. He told me to NOT turn on
my furnace until that pipe was replaced.

He comes back with my new water heater and new vent pipe for the
furnace as well! The purpose of this post is warn people to go
into their basements a couple times a year just to make sure
pipes, water lines, duct work, etc. all look ok. Don't be a
dummy like me, you might not wake up one morning.

I've also had a vapor barrier laid in my basement as it's only a
dugout. I have not heard my sump pump come on once since the
new water heater and barrier have been installed. Yes, I know,
it's my fault completely for not checking down there a couple
times per year, but I've learned my lesson, believe me, I have
learned my lesson!!

Another foolish thing I have corrected is buying a carbon
monoxide detector which I should have had ALL these years
living in this house. I bought one of those Kidde models
that has the non-replaceable lithium battery guaranteed for
10 years. Back in the Spring I bought the same battery type
smoke detector that is outside my bedroom as will be the
carbon monoxide detector.

My lecture is over and I hope others won't be an 'ostrich
with her head in the sand' like me. It could save your life.

You could also add a water detector too. Think about what would happen if
the power went out when the sump pump was needed most...

--
Tekkie

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

Mark Lloyd posted for all of us...



On 07/16/2017 04:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

[snip]

Tsk, tsk on no CO detector though.
These days they are cheap enough that everyone should have one unless
you are in an all electric house.


I know someone who has a CO detector (provided by management) in an
all-electric apartment. There is no fuel in the building.

Ya think?

--
Tekkie

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:05:37 PM UTC-5, Tekkie® wrote:

You could also add a water detector too. Think about what would happen if
the power went out when the sump pump was needed most...

Tekkie


Ok, you lost me on this one. What good is a water detector to tell
me the power is out and the sump pump runs on electricity?

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:43:25 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:05:37 PM UTC-5, Tekkie® wrote:

You could also add a water detector too. Think about what would happen if
the power went out when the sump pump was needed most...

Tekkie


Ok, you lost me on this one. What good is a water detector to tell
me the power is out and the sump pump runs on electricity?

Let's you turn off the water to the water heater or furnace, whichever
one is leaking.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 5:46:48 PM UTC-5, Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:43:25 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:05:37 PM UTC-5, TekkieŽ wrote:

You could also add a water detector too. Think about what would happen if
the power went out when the sump pump was needed most...

Tekkie


Ok, you lost me on this one. What good is a water detector to tell
me the power is out and the sump pump runs on electricity?

Let's you turn off the water to the water heater or furnace, whichever
one is leaking.


Oooooooh ok, thanks!

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 12:53:02 PM UTC-4, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 07/16/2017 09:38 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:

[snip]

Yes, when the battery gets low they do have an annoying chirp to get
your attention.

One SHORT chirp every minute of so. When you hear such a chirp, I may
not be easy to determine what device is doing it.



+1

In a modern house with multiple ones, it can take some time to locate
which one is beeping. My beef is I've seen new ones that are AC
wired with battery backup where the things start chirping in about
a year. I don't understand that. You would think the battery would
be there only if the AC is lost, and that the battery would last many
years. Given the choice, I'd prefer ones that are just AC.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 4:31:32 AM UTC-4, Bea Taylor wrote:
On 07/16/2017 05:24 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
To be honest, I rarely, rarely, rarely go in the basement as I have
nothing down there but the furnace and the water heater. I called
Friday morning to my local natural gas company and the price they
quoted me for a new water heater was exorbitant. I should have
known to not call them as last time I needed a new water heater
they were higher than any plumber but I was hoping since I am a
customer I might get a little price break. Forger that.


Hi Joann,

Just curious but did you get the model with WiFi?


Great, now Russia and NK can hack your WH too.



And how much was the quote from your gas company?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Per...0U0W/206777719

Thanks in advance,

Bea

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 7/18/2017 9:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 12:53:02 PM UTC-4, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 07/16/2017 09:38 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:

[snip]

Yes, when the battery gets low they do have an annoying chirp to get
your attention.

One SHORT chirp every minute of so. When you hear such a chirp, I may
not be easy to determine what device is doing it.



+1

In a modern house with multiple ones, it can take some time to locate
which one is beeping. My beef is I've seen new ones that are AC
wired with battery backup where the things start chirping in about
a year. I don't understand that. You would think the battery would
be there only if the AC is lost, and that the battery would last many
years. Given the choice, I'd prefer ones that are just AC.


Except when the power is out is when some people need it the most.
They bring in the charcoal grill and kerosene heater to get by.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 10:17:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/18/2017 9:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 12:53:02 PM UTC-4, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 07/16/2017 09:38 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:

[snip]

Yes, when the battery gets low they do have an annoying chirp to get
your attention.

One SHORT chirp every minute of so. When you hear such a chirp, I may
not be easy to determine what device is doing it.



+1

In a modern house with multiple ones, it can take some time to locate
which one is beeping. My beef is I've seen new ones that are AC
wired with battery backup where the things start chirping in about
a year. I don't understand that. You would think the battery would
be there only if the AC is lost, and that the battery would last many
years. Given the choice, I'd prefer ones that are just AC.


Except when the power is out is when some people need it the most.
They bring in the charcoal grill and kerosene heater to get by.

Yes, I'm willing to live with that, because it's my house and I'm
not that stupid. But if it's a rental, etc, then I agree, there
are plenty of stupid people out there.

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 9:17:34 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

In a modern house with multiple ones, it can take some time to locate
which one is beeping. My beef is I've seen new ones that are AC
wired with battery backup where the things start chirping in about
a year. I don't understand that. You would think the battery would
be there only if the AC is lost, and that the battery would last many
years. Given the choice, I'd prefer ones that are just AC.


Except when the power is out is when some people need it the most.
They bring in the charcoal grill and kerosene heater to get by.


If I remember correctly it was 1994 and the Southeast was hit with
a huge ice storm and brutal temperatures and loss of power. In my
case it was two weeks without power and though I had gas heat even
then my furnace has an electronic ignition.

But I digress. A man was house sitting for a friend who was out of
town. He was there to see that the ostrich eggs the friend was
hatching were ok and he brought along his brand new puppy, too. He
started the generator in the basement/garage and he, the puppy, and
the eggs were found dead the next day due to carbon monoxide poisoning.

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 7/18/2017 10:17 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/18/2017 9:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 12:53:02 PM UTC-4, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 07/16/2017 09:38 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:

[snip]

Yes, when the battery gets low they do have an annoying chirp to get
your attention.

One SHORT chirp every minute of so. When you hear such a chirp, I may
not be easy to determine what device is doing it.



+1

In a modern house with multiple ones, it can take some time to locate
which one is beeping. My beef is I've seen new ones that are AC
wired with battery backup where the things start chirping in about
a year. I don't understand that. You would think the battery would
be there only if the AC is lost, and that the battery would last many
years. Given the choice, I'd prefer ones that are just AC.


Except when the power is out is when some people need it the most.
They bring in the charcoal grill and kerosene heater to get by.


So Darwin takes out a few stupid lazy democrats. What's the problem?

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

On 7/17/2017 10:56 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 5:46:48 PM UTC-5, Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:43:25 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:05:37 PM UTC-5, TekkieŽ wrote:

You could also add a water detector too. Think about what would happen if
the power went out when the sump pump was needed most...

Tekkie


Ok, you lost me on this one. What good is a water detector to tell
me the power is out and the sump pump runs on electricity?
you can fire up the generator to run the sump to tell the wi-fi HWH to
beep ya to wake up from the CO caused by the generator and .....
actually a clean burning HWH should not be putting out any CO ... enough
combustion air and blue flame, you have to work at it to get into
trouble, everyone gets a Darwin participation trophy.

Let's you turn off the water to the water heater or furnace, whichever
one is leaking.


Oooooooh ok, thanks!

New Water Heater & a LONG Cautionary Tale
 

ItsJoanNotJoann posted for all of us...



On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:05:37 PM UTC-5, Tekkie® wrote:

You could also add a water detector too. Think about what would happen if
the power went out when the sump pump was needed most...

Tekkie


Ok, you lost me on this one. What good is a water detector to tell
me the power is out and the sump pump runs on electricity?

It is a WATER detector, not a power detector, the sump pump most likely runs
on electricity. Storm damage=a lot of water=power lost=water detector alert.
Leaking pipe, water heater, flood, act of of God=water detector alert. Could
be tied into home alarm if you wish.

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Tekkie