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It seems computer cases have changed a lot over the years. I have three old computer cases, one is ten years old, two are around eighteen years old. I'm about to build a new computer and I want to use some old equipment, if it will work. Will these old cases work with the new motherboards, where the start, and reset buttons will work without much problem? I'm not interested in the USB ports, or audio ports on the front, but I will need the start button and reset button to work. I've read some post on this group where someone builds computers. Its been a long time since I've built one, and connectors have changed a lot, according to pictures I've seen of new cases. I just don't want to end up having to throw away these cases. I've got power supplies and cases and would like to use them. Yes I'm a pack rat, and if I need to, I have a new case picked out if I absolutely must buy one. recently I threw away several old video cards that don't work with newer computers. I almost had an anxiety attack. Now to do something with old audio cards? Are there any other pack rats who understand how I feel? |
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On Wed, 24 May 2017 21:50:30 -0500, "Albert Hodge"
wrote: It seems computer cases have changed a lot over the years. I have three old computer cases, one is ten years old, two are around eighteen years old. I'm about to build a new computer and I want to use some old equipment, if it will work. Will these old cases work with the new motherboards, where the start, and reset buttons will work without much problem? I'm not interested in the USB ports, or audio ports on the front, but I will need the start button and reset button to work. I've read some post on this group where someone builds computers. Its been a long time since I've built one, and connectors have changed a lot, according to pictures I've seen of new cases. I just don't want to end up having to throw away these cases. I've got power supplies and cases and would like to use them. Yes I'm a pack rat, and if I need to, I have a new case picked out if I absolutely must buy one. recently I threw away several old video cards that don't work with newer computers. I almost had an anxiety attack. Now to do something with old audio cards? Are there any other pack rats who understand how I feel? I have put stuff in cases that were pretty strange. The buttons on the front are just switches but the headers may be different. If they are discrete wires in a Molex, you can pop them out and move them around. If it is ribbons, you are pretty much stuck with the layout you have unless you want to get creative. The other thing is the format of the board itself. A lot of time all of the screw holes will not line up when the card slots do. If you can get a few going that is usually enough as long as you understand where you need support and are careful plugging in the cards. I insulate any spots on the case that might hit the board in a bad spot. Most power supplies are pretty much plug and play. The other thing is older cases may not have enough cooling. I have one of those indoor/outdoor thermometers with the remote probe. Put that probe in various places, button it up and run the toughest program you have for an hour or so to be sure you don't have any hot spots. Particularly look at the video chips and drive bays. I stuff a fan in any hole that looks like it will take one and then make sure everything is cool. |
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On 05/24/2017 10:50 PM, Albert Hodge wrote:
It seems computer cases have changed a lot over the years. I have three old computer cases, one is ten years old, two are around eighteen years old. I'm about to build a new computer and I want to use some old equipment, if it will work. Will these old cases work with the new motherboards, where the start, and reset buttons will work without much problem? I'm not interested in the USB ports, or audio ports on the front, but I will need the start button and reset button to work. I've read some post on this group where someone builds computers. Its been a long time since I've built one, and connectors have changed a lot, according to pictures I've seen of new cases. I just don't want to end up having to throw away these cases. I've got power supplies and cases and would like to use them. Yes I'm a pack rat, and if I need to, I have a new case picked out if I absolutely must buy one. recently I threw away several old video cards that don't work with newer computers. I almost had an anxiety attack. Now to do something with old audio cards? Are there any other pack rats who understand how I feel? When you're done building a new computer with old parts, you'll still have an old computer. I suppose if you have a need for an old technology computer it might make sense but otherwise, what's the point? |
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On 5/25/2017 4:01 AM, junkmeister wrote:
On 05/24/2017 10:50 PM, Albert Hodge wrote: It seems computer cases have changed a lot over the years. I have three old computer cases, one is ten years old, two are around eighteen years old. I'm about to build a new computer and I want to use some old equipment, if it will work. Will these old cases work with the new motherboards, where the start, and reset buttons will work without much problem? I'm not interested in the USB ports, or audio ports on the front, but I will need the start button and reset button to work. I've read some post on this group where someone builds computers. Its been a long time since I've built one, and connectors have changed a lot, according to pictures I've seen of new cases. I just don't want to end up having to throw away these cases. I've got power supplies and cases and would like to use them. Yes I'm a pack rat, and if I need to, I have a new case picked out if I absolutely must buy one. recently I threw away several old video cards that don't work with newer computers. I almost had an anxiety attack. Now to do something with old audio cards? Are there any other pack rats who understand how I feel? When you're done building a new computer with old parts, you'll still have an old computer. I suppose if you have a need for an old technology computer it might make sense but otherwise, what's the point? So because I used an old case for my new computer - new motherboard , RAM , CPU , hard drive , optical drive , and power supply - that makes it "old technology" ? Guess again Binky . I too have a pile of old network cards , video cards , etc . I did toss almost all of the modem cards though , the time for hooking a telephone line to the computer is over ... and for now only 2 of the 7 devices we have that use an internet connection actually have a wired connection , everything else is running on wifi . And since the wifi connections now are faster than the wired , I'm considering putting cards in the last 2 desktop comps too . -- Snag |
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On 05/25/2017 06:47 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
[snip] I too have a pile of old network cards , video cards , etc . I did toss almost all of the modem cards though , the time for hooking a telephone line to the computer is over ... I do occasionally have use for modem, although I do throw out the controllerless modems ("Winmodems") and just keep the real RS232 modems. and for now only 2 of the 7 devices we have that use an internet connection actually have a wired connection , everything else is running on wifi . And since the wifi connections now are faster than the wired , I'm considering putting cards in the last 2 desktop comps too . Are you sure it's faster? Did you do tests? WiFi claims higher speeds, but the actual speed is much less. Also, wired is simpler and more reliable. I find that WiFi doesn't make sense in a device that stays in one place. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." -- Thomas Paine |
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On 5/25/2017 2:28 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 05/25/2017 06:47 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: [snip] I too have a pile of old network cards , video cards , etc . I did toss almost all of the modem cards though , the time for hooking a telephone line to the computer is over ... I do occasionally have use for modem, although I do throw out the controllerless modems ("Winmodems") and just keep the real RS232 modems. and for now only 2 of the 7 devices we have that use an internet connection actually have a wired connection , everything else is running on wifi . And since the wifi connections now are faster than the wired , I'm considering putting cards in the last 2 desktop comps too . Are you sure it's faster? Did you do tests? WiFi claims higher speeds, but the actual speed is much less. Also, wired is simpler and more reliable. I find that WiFi doesn't make sense in a device that stays in one place. Well , I'm basing that on what I see when I look at the connection status . Is that not accurate ? I guess it's not really all that important to have a 300 mb/sec intranet connection when my ISP only supplies 10 Mb/s . It does make a difference with comp to comp transfers though ... -- Snag |
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On 5/25/2017 3:28 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
Also, wired is simpler and more reliable. I find that WiFi doesn't make sense in a device that stays in one place. When you have to run a cable through three room and a floor it makes a lot of sense. |
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On Thu, 25 May 2017 18:35:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/25/2017 3:28 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: Also, wired is simpler and more reliable. I find that WiFi doesn't make sense in a device that stays in one place. When you have to run a cable through three room and a floor it makes a lot of sense. I lot of that depends on planning. I am a "wire" guy and every time I have a wall open or any other opportunity I run some 3/4" smurf tube to a convenient spot in the attic. Running wire becomes trivial after that. I am currently pulling out some somewhat obsolete stuff and replacing it with more modern stuff. I have WiFi here for my guests but it is firewalled from my wired network. |
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On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 6:45:19 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 5/25/2017 4:01 AM, junkmeister wrote: On 05/24/2017 10:50 PM, Albert Hodge wrote: It seems computer cases have changed a lot over the years. I have three old computer cases, one is ten years old, two are around eighteen years old. I'm about to build a new computer and I want to use some old equipment, if it will work. Will these old cases work with the new motherboards, where the start, and reset buttons will work without much problem? I'm not interested in the USB ports, or audio ports on the front, but I will need the start button and reset button to work. I've read some post on this group where someone builds computers. Its been a long time since I've built one, and connectors have changed a lot, according to pictures I've seen of new cases. I just don't want to end up having to throw away these cases. I've got power supplies and cases and would like to use them. Yes I'm a pack rat, and if I need to, I have a new case picked out if I absolutely must buy one. recently I threw away several old video cards that don't work with newer computers. I almost had an anxiety attack. Now to do something with old audio cards? Are there any other pack rats who understand how I feel? When you're done building a new computer with old parts, you'll still have an old computer. I suppose if you have a need for an old technology computer it might make sense but otherwise, what's the point? So because I used an old case for my new computer - new motherboard , RAM , CPU , hard drive , optical drive , and power supply - that makes it "old technology" ? Guess again Binky . I too have a pile of old network cards , video cards , etc . I did toss almost all of the modem cards though , the time for hooking a telephone line to the computer is over ... and for now only 2 of the 7 devices we have that use an internet connection actually have a wired connection , everything else is running on wifi . And since the wifi connections now are faster than the wired , I'm considering putting cards in the last 2 desktop comps too . -- Snag My old Dell desktops and laptop all have gigabit ethernet ports. I believe that's faster than WiFi or perhaps I'm mistaken? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [8~{} Uncle Wireless Monster |
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On 05/25/2017 02:39 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
[snip] Well , I'm basing that on what I see when I look at the connection status . Is that not accurate ? No, it isn't, especially with WiFi. You need to actually test it. What you actually get depends on several things, including other nearby networks. IIRC, the WiFi connection is half duplex too (bandwidth is shared between upstream and downstream). I have 50Mbps internet, and a WiFi-connected PC that showed a 72Mbps 802.11n connection. Speed tests showed I was getting only about 38Mbps. A 150Mbps WiFi connection (once I got wide channel enabled on the router) got the whole 50Mbps. Wired ethernet can use a much greater part of the advertised speed. I guess it's not really all that important to have a 300 mb/sec intranet connection when my ISP only supplies 10 Mb/s . It does make a difference with comp to comp transfers though ... I'm frequently transferring large video files, as well as Linux and Windows DVD images. -- Snag -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Shell to DOS... Come in DOS, this is Shell calling, do you copy?" |
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On 05/26/2017 04:02 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
[snip] My old Dell desktops and laptop all have gigabit ethernet ports. I believe that's faster than WiFi or perhaps I'm mistaken? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [8~{} Uncle Wireless Monster I have seen claims of greater WiFi (802.11ac) speed, but actual speed is less than claimed and I hear this is much worse with these higher speeds (MIMO?). I'm sure the gigabit ethernet would be faster. Looks like it (WiFi speed) is something like the disk compression that claimed 200% capacity (you could store 200 MB on a 100 MB disk), but in reality it was seldom more than about 110%. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Shell to DOS... Come in DOS, this is Shell calling, do you copy?" |
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On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 4:19:36 PM UTC-5, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 05/26/2017 04:02 AM, Uncle Monster wrote: [snip] My old Dell desktops and laptop all have gigabit ethernet ports. I believe that's faster than WiFi or perhaps I'm mistaken? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [8~{} Uncle Wireless Monster I have seen claims of greater WiFi (802.11ac) speed, but actual speed is less than claimed and I hear this is much worse with these higher speeds (MIMO?). I'm sure the gigabit ethernet would be faster. Looks like it (WiFi speed) is something like the disk compression that claimed 200% capacity (you could store 200 MB on a 100 MB disk), but in reality it was seldom more than about 110%. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ I should have also mentioned that the 4 port switch in my cable modem is gigabit and I've another 8 port gigabit switch attached to that. Housemate is using it now with the computers I set up for him. ヽ(ヅ)ノ At the center, I setup my own subnetwork off the centers WiFi and I often get speeds of 60 mbs. I use a very versatile Edimax WiFi access point/WiFi bridge set in bridge mode then plugged into the Internet port on my Cisco/Linksys WiFi router. With the center WiFi, I could only get a couple of access codes from the administrator for the WiFi meaning I could only use one code at a time per device so I used one of the passwords for the WiFi bridge and the WiFi router uses NAT to let me use only one password for my tablets, laptop and stick computer. I have staff members ask me for a password so they can get on my network to make phone calls from their smartphones because in the area of the center where I am, cellphones can't get a signal. I also have my MagicJack Plus connected to my router and use a standard phone to make VoIP calls. I still have fun with technology here but I miss all my toys at home. What little I can do keeps me from going completely bonkers. \(—¦'Œ£'—¦)/ http://www.edimax.com/edimax/merchan...50/ew-7288apc/ https://tinyurl.com/km7en4l https://www.walmart.com/ip/Linksys-E...outer/16401807 https://www.amazon.com/2014-Magicjac.../dp/B00DVWYRCQ [8~{} Uncle Bonkers Monster |
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