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I was at a sale and bought a box of misc household stuff for a few
bucks. One item was this Sump Pump, "Little Giant (brand) Model 6-CIMR".

Here's a weblink to it. (Exact model)
https://www.grainger.com/product/LIT...ump-Pump-3P640

I noticed it has no switch, no float, or any other means to turn it on
and off (except plug/unplug it).

I would assume that it should run if I plug it in. I did, and it does
not run, hum, or anything. That tells me that it's probably defective,
which is why it was being sold as it was. There were plenty of other
useful items in that box, so I'm not out any money.

However, I'm wondering if this pump, and others like it, must be
submerged in water to function? Does anyone know?
I'll probably tear it apart when I have nothing better to do, and see if
it's fixable, but I want to make sure that this is not just because it
needs to be in water. If it was summer, I'd just toss it in a bucket of
water, but the weather is cold and nasty, and I dont feel like trying
this indoors and making a mess.

Is anyone familiar with these type of pumps?



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Posted Nov. 22, 2016.
This message is ON TOPIC, contains no politics, and is not a relic from
Homeownershub).... *Miracles Happen*
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I was at a sale and bought a box of misc household stuff for a few
bucks. One item was this Sump Pump, "Little Giant (brand) Model 6-CIMR".

Here's a weblink to it. (Exact model)
https://www.grainger.com/product/LIT...ump-Pump-3P640

I noticed it has no switch, no float, or any other means to turn it on
and off (except plug/unplug it).

I would assume that it should run if I plug it in. I did, and it does
not run, hum, or anything. That tells me that it's probably defective,
which is why it was being sold as it was. There were plenty of other
useful items in that box, so I'm not out any money.

However, I'm wondering if this pump, and others like it, must be
submerged in water to function? Does anyone know?
I'll probably tear it apart when I have nothing better to do, and see if
it's fixable, but I want to make sure that this is not just because it
needs to be in water. If it was summer, I'd just toss it in a bucket of
water, but the weather is cold and nasty, and I dont feel like trying
this indoors and making a mess.

Is anyone familiar with these type of pumps?

Try dropping it in the water (assuming it is a submersible sump pump)
There may be an electronic water sensing switch inside.
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 20:09:56 -0600,
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Posted Nov. 22, 2016.
This message is ON TOPIC, contains no politics, and is not a relic from
Homeownershub).... *Miracles Happen*
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I was at a sale and bought a box of misc household stuff for a few
bucks. One item was this Sump Pump, "Little Giant (brand) Model 6-CIMR".

Here's a weblink to it. (Exact model)
https://www.grainger.com/product/LIT...ump-Pump-3P640

I noticed it has no switch, no float, or any other means to turn it on
and off (except plug/unplug it).

I would assume that it should run if I plug it in. I did, and it does
not run, hum, or anything. That tells me that it's probably defective,
which is why it was being sold as it was. There were plenty of other
useful items in that box, so I'm not out any money.

However, I'm wondering if this pump, and others like it, must be
submerged in water to function? Does anyone know?
I'll probably tear it apart when I have nothing better to do, and see if
it's fixable, but I want to make sure that this is not just because it
needs to be in water. If it was summer, I'd just toss it in a bucket of
water, but the weather is cold and nasty, and I dont feel like trying
this indoors and making a mess.

Is anyone familiar with these type of pumps?

Try dropping it in the water (assuming it is a submersible sump pump)
There may be an electronic water sensing switch inside.


Looking at the user manual for this model at
http://littlegiant.com/media/131449/993866.pdf
it appears that a "float switch" is an external option. The pump by
itself should run when plugged in.
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In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 22 Nov 2016 20:09:56 -0600,
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Posted Nov. 22, 2016.
This message is ON TOPIC, contains no politics, and is not a relic from
Homeownershub).... *Miracles Happen*
----

I was at a sale and bought a box of misc household stuff for a few
bucks. One item was this Sump Pump, "Little Giant (brand) Model 6-CIMR".

Here's a weblink to it. (Exact model)
https://www.grainger.com/product/LIT...ump-Pump-3P640

I noticed it has no switch, no float, or any other means to turn it on
and off (except plug/unplug it).

I would assume that it should run if I plug it in. I did, and it does
not run, hum, or anything. That tells me that it's probably defective,
which is why it was being sold as it was. There were plenty of other
useful items in that box, so I'm not out any money.

However, I'm wondering if this pump, and others like it, must be
submerged in water to function? Does anyone know?


is it automatic

Yes it is automatic. It also was very easy to install.
Howard Worden answered on June 2, 2014

This is a better link:
https://www.amazon.com/Little-Giant-...B000JG80JS#Ask

IIRC, when Amazon started out selling things, it had ratings but no
questions. Now people can make comments on the ratings and on the
answers to the questions.

The answers can be really funny. Does it do this? A: I don't know.
I haven't tried it yet.

Even when they are the third person answering and two others already
gave an answer.

Or someone asks it's length or weight and quite different answers are
given.

So here are more answers to the question above:

Yes, it has pressure switch. The black round housing on the side is
where the switch is. Very reliable.

if you mean does it come on by itself when the water gets to a certain
level - yes. It does require being plugged in

Yes, it activates when the water level is about a certain point. I've
had one before, and it worked fine. They last about 8-10 years in this
part of the country (Iowa).


I'll probably tear it apart when I have nothing better to do, and see if


That seems like a very bad idea.

it's fixable, but I want to make sure that this is not just because it
needs to be in water. If it was summer, I'd just toss it in a bucket of
water, but the weather is cold and nasty, and I dont feel like trying
this indoors and making a mess.

Is anyone familiar with these type of pumps?

No, but I need a 2nd sump pump. This does seem easier to install than
the others. It's 10 amps and my other one is probably over 5 (plus I
have the burglar alarm plugged in there too.) I'll have to plug it in
somewhere else

The pump while not running would usually have just enough water to
cover the pump... but at about 10 inches or so above the pump it
automatically starts and discharges 10 gallons of water in seconds.
I absolutely love my little giant. The pressure switch design is so much
better than the external float designs of other pumps.. the external
floats on other pumps get hung up on the side walls or on the Power
cords.
This is the best pump for a deep well sump pump.

Oops. Didn't need the questions. here is part of the description:
Little Giant 6-CIA has a diaphragm pressure switch which engages the
pump at 7-Inch to 10-Inch water level and turns it off at 1-Inch to
4-Inch.

I think my house came with a 1/3 HP sump pump and I stupidly replaced it
with the same thing. Well, only once in 33 years has it not had enough
volume to keep up with the rain, but if I stay another 33 years, it
might happen again. This is also 1/3 HP.

This Pump will discharge 2,760 GPH, Jim, Sales Mgr. amazon.com
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No, it's the "none switch" model. Says so in the ad copy. Should run
when plugged in. If it doesn't then it's junk.

Dave M.




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On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 02:28:49 -0500, micky wrote:

wrote:
Here's a weblink to it. (Exact model)
https://www.grainger.com/product/LIT...ump-Pump-3P640


Yes it is automatic. It also was very easy to install.
Howard Worden answered on June 2, 2014

This is a better link:
https://www.amazon.com/Little-Giant-.../dp/B000JG80JS


Nope. That Amazon link is for a different model than the Grainger link.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
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I absolutely love my little giant.


That's TMI. :-)

m



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Posted Nov. 22, 2016.
This message is ON TOPIC, contains no politics, and is not a relic from
Homeownershub).... *Miracles Happen*
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I was at a sale and bought a box of misc household stuff for a few
bucks. One item was this Sump Pump, "Little Giant (brand) Model 6-CIMR".

Here's a weblink to it. (Exact model)
https://www.grainger.com/product/LIT...ump-Pump-3P640

I noticed it has no switch, no float, or any other means to turn it on
and off (except plug/unplug it).

I would assume that it should run if I plug it in. I did, and it does
not run, hum, or anything. That tells me that it's probably defective,
which is why it was being sold as it was. There were plenty of other
useful items in that box, so I'm not out any money.

However, I'm wondering if this pump, and others like it, must be
submerged in water to function? Does anyone know?
I'll probably tear it apart when I have nothing better to do, and see if
it's fixable, but I want to make sure that this is not just because it
needs to be in water. If it was summer, I'd just toss it in a bucket of
water, but the weather is cold and nasty, and I dont feel like trying
this indoors and making a mess.



How cold is it that you can't put it in a pail of water and plug it in outside? Or maybe in a garage or basement, if available. From the
description, it sure sounds like it has no switch, no float, and should
just run when plugged in.

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"David L. Martel" wrote in message news

No, it's the "none switch" model. Says so in the ad copy. Should run
when plugged in. If it doesn't then it's junk.

Dave M.

There are many activation setup's Resistive, capacitive, magnetic, visual,
Floating,
it could be build internally and not necessary visual float.

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Looking at the user manual for this model at
http://littlegiant.com/media/131449/993866.pdf
it appears that a "float switch" is an external option. The pump by
itself should run when plugged in.


Thanks for the link to the user manual. That confirmed that it should
run without water. That also lead me to get it fixed.

First off. I was being an idiot, when I found out the outlet I plugged
it into was not working. That outlet is connected to a GFI breaker that
feeds the outdoor outlets. That GFI probably tripped because it rained
and there's an extension cord plugged into it, from when I was doing
some repairs out there. (I really need to rewire that, and get the
inside outlet off that same GFI).

After getting the GFI issue fixed, the pump hummed when I plugged it in,
but would not rotate the impeller. I first removed the bottom and the
impeller. The shaft was still siezed up. I ended up taking the whole
motor apart, and was surprised to find that it's filled with oil. (good
thing I had it upright when I opened it).

I was able to loosen the shaft, which has siezed up below the bottom
bearing, and above the impeller, by scraping away some dried crud off
with a putty knife, and rotating the shaft with a vicegrip on the shaft.
I put it back together, oiled that lower part of the shaft real well,
and it works like a new pump.

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By the way, people who write those user manuals and mix languages like
they did on this one, should be shot!!! That makes it very hard and
frustrating to read.....



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