On 04/05/2018 07:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Apr 2018 22:14:01 GMT, im2oldBob
m wrote:

replying to hrhofmann, im2oldBob wrote:
In a textbook, Electric Wiring Residential 15th edition based on 2005 National
Electrical Code by Ray C Mullen. ISBN1-4018-5019-. Mr. Mullen addresses the
subject. Mr. Mullen' advocates, that while not a code requirement that the
ground ( U blade) should be up for the reason that conductive items falling
would encounter the ground first, or at least fall across either one of the
conductors and the U blade if the conductor was positive then a shunt trip
would occur. Note; this is not an exact quote.
The only "book" that counts is the National Electrical Code and it is
silent on the issue.
If you look long enough you will find people arguing the opposite
case. When a plug loosens and starts falling out, ground down assures
the ground connection is the last to break.
Neither are a significant enough reason to drive a code change.

Regardless of orientation, when a plug starts falling out of a receptacle, it's time to replace the receptacle.

replying to trader_4, sam F wrote:
receptacles are UL listed with the ground 'up', that is the proper way to
install one...

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On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:14:12 GMT, sam F
m wrote:

replying to trader_4, sam F wrote:
receptacles are UL listed with the ground 'up', that is the proper way to
install one...

Bull****. The code and U/L are both silent about how you orient a
receptacle.

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:44:00 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:14:12 GMT, sam F
m wrote:

replying to trader_4, sam F wrote:
receptacles are UL listed with the ground 'up', that is the proper way to
install one...

Bull****. The code and U/L are both silent about how you orient a
receptacle.

When I worked as an electrician on Army Core Of Engineers jobs, the Core wanted the ground hole on receptacles oriented where it was at the top. On horizontal receptacles, they wanted the neutral at the top. One thing they were worried about was ceiling tie wires falling against a plug that was pulled out a bit exposing the prongs. There must have been more than one instance of a tie wire causing fireworks when it fell against a plug that was hanging out. My personal preference is ground hole up because it's easier for me to insert a plug because I use the ground pin as a guide. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Zapped Monster

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:53:57 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon La Edmund
J. Burke" wrote:

On 9/28/2016 6:18 PM, TomR wrote:
A friend of mine asked me today why the electrical outlets in my house were "upside down".* They are positioned with the ground pin hole at the top and the two slots of the outlet on the bottom.* I agree that, to me, they "look" like they are upside down, and I think they would "look" better with the ground pin hole on the bottom.* But, my belief is that the National Electrical Code (NEC) is silent on this question and that there is no right or wrong orientation for electrical outlets.

My friend said that he has had code enforcement officials tell him that electrical outlets with the ground pin hole on top were "upside down" and that they needed to be reversed to be with the ground pin on the bottom to pass the electrical inspection.

Is there anything in the NEC that says that one way is "upside down" and the other way is the "correct" orientation?


Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper code.
If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the top. This is a safety precaution. Say someone were to drop a metal item onto the pins carrying the load. You'd have an instant fire which even the most modern fire department could probably not extinguish.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...

What a load of ****e. I hope nobody listens to yer dumb 'advice', ya
stupid moulie!

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They all want a pipe hitting member of the tribe, so to speak."
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Shein's jew aliash)", farted again:



Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of
banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper
code. If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the
top. This is a safety precaution. Say someone were to drop a metal
item onto the pins carrying the load. You'd have an instant fire which
even the most modern fire department could probably not extinguish.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...

What a load of ****e. I hope nobody listens to yer dumb 'advice', ya
stupid moulie!

Actually it's a valid and generally accepted explanation, though there are
no hard rules, you illiterate dreckserb!

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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:23:52 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:44:00 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:14:12 GMT, sam F
m wrote:

replying to trader_4, sam F wrote:
receptacles are UL listed with the ground 'up', that is the proper way to
install one...

Bull****. The code and U/L are both silent about how you orient a
receptacle.

When I worked as an electrician on Army Core Of Engineers jobs, the Core wanted the ground hole on receptacles oriented where it was at the top. On horizontal receptacles, they wanted the neutral at the top. One thing they were worried about was ceiling tie wires falling against a plug that was pulled out a bit exposing the prongs. There must have been more than one instance of a tie wire causing fireworks when it fell against a plug that was hanging out. My personal preference is ground hole up because it's easier for me to insert a plug because I use the ground pin as a guide. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Zapped Monster

The point is the U/L and NFPA (the NEC) are both silent on this
When in doubt, install one of these and make everyone happy
https://cloudfront.zoro.com/product/...3_wu_fo5oy.JPG

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 6:44:41 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:23:52 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:44:00 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:14:12 GMT, sam F
m wrote:

replying to trader_4, sam F wrote:
receptacles are UL listed with the ground 'up', that is the proper way to
install one...

Bull****. The code and U/L are both silent about how you orient a
receptacle.

When I worked as an electrician on Army Core Of Engineers jobs, the Core wanted the ground hole on receptacles oriented where it was at the top. On horizontal receptacles, they wanted the neutral at the top. One thing they were worried about was ceiling tie wires falling against a plug that was pulled out a bit exposing the prongs. There must have been more than one instance of a tie wire causing fireworks when it fell against a plug that was hanging out. My personal preference is ground hole up because it's easier for me to insert a plug because I use the ground pin as a guide. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Zapped Monster

The point is the U/L and NFPA (the NEC) are both silent on this
When in doubt, install one of these and make everyone happy
https://cloudfront.zoro.com/product/...3_wu_fo5oy.JPG

That'll work. I think I actually have one of those around somewhere. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Outlet Monster

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 12:43:56 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:14:12 GMT, sam F
om wrote:

replying to trader_4, sam F wrote:
receptacles are UL listed with the ground 'up', that is the proper way to
install one...

Bull****. The code and U/L are both silent about how you orient a
receptacle.

Pic:

https://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/funny-decal.jpeg

posted for all of us...



On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:14:12 GMT, sam F
m wrote:

replying to trader_4, sam F wrote:
receptacles are UL listed with the ground 'up', that is the proper way to
install one...

Bull****. The code and U/L are both silent about how you orient a
receptacle.

This topic seems to make it's bi-monthly appearance...

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Oren posted for all of us...



On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 12:43:56 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:14:12 GMT, sam F
om wrote:

replying to trader_4, sam F wrote:
receptacles are UL listed with the ground 'up', that is the proper way to
install one...

Bull****. The code and U/L are both silent about how you orient a
receptacle.

Pic:

https://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/funny-decal.jpeg

That's the code for ya!

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On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:00:25 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon La Edmund
J. Burke" wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:55 AM, % wrote:
On 2018-06-08 8:52 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 6/7/2018 6:20 PM, Checkmate wrote:
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 10:53:57 -0700, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 9/28/2016 6:18 PM, TomR wrote:
A friend of mine asked me today why the electrical outlets in my house
were "upside down".* They are positioned with the ground pin hole at
the top and the two slots of the outlet on the bottom.* I agree that,
to me, they "look" like they are upside down, and I think they would
"look" better with the ground pin hole on the bottom.* But, my belief
is that the National Electrical Code (NEC) is silent on this question
and that there is no right or wrong orientation for electrical outlets.

My friend said that he has had code enforcement officials tell him that
electrical outlets with the ground pin hole on top were "upside down"
and that they needed to be reversed to be with the ground pin on the
bottom to pass the electrical inspection.

Is there anything in the NEC that says that one way is "upside down"
and the other way is the "correct" orientation?


Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of
banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper
code.
If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the top.
This is a safety precaution.* Say someone were to drop a metal item onto
the pins carrying the load.* You'd have an instant fire which even the
most modern fire department could probably not extinguish.

Wildly wrong. First, if a plug is seated properly there won't be any metal
exposed; rubbery plug material will be flush against the plastic of the
outlet cover. And second, if you have a loose plug exposing metal (don't
do that), the ground pin is at the bottom, and a metal item falls on there
shorting the neutral to the hot, you'd have an instant circuit breaker
trip is what you'd have. In a fraction of a second that outlet would be as
dead as a doornail -- no voltage anywhere.


Oh no you DIN'T!

Are... are you attempting to be the resident expert on electrical wiring
in AC now?* Looks like I'm going to have to straighten you out on a few
things.* First of all, the operative word in your statement above, is
*IF*.* IF is one of the biggest words in the English language in this
case.* Plugs are supposed to be plugged in all the way so that no portion
of the conductors is exposed, but sometimes they come loose for any
number of reasons, leaving some of the conductors exposed.* IF the hot
and neutral are mounted at the top, and IF a portion of the blades is
exposed, and IF something metal (perhaps a coin) were to fall on them in
such a way as to complete a circuit, it *might* trip the breaker.

However, it's conceivable that it could produce an arc which could cause
a fire, or you could even get a high resistance short, not drawing enough
current to trip the breaker, but drawing enough to heat up the metal
object... and possibly causing a fire.

Please note that the National Electrical code does NOT specify which
mounting method must be used.* In fact, several code committees have
discussed this topic and elected not to specify one way over the other.
I've seen some hospitals specify that the ground be mounted at the top,
for the reasons I've already mentioned, however there is no code
requirement to do so.* Plugs are usually mounted with the hot and neutral
at the top for no other reason than convention, and the fact that some
people are "bothered" by what they perceive as an "upside-down"
orientation.

Unless, of course, the circuit breakers were not up to code, in which case
your problems are in the breaker box, not the outlet.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...

By smearing even more of it everywhere? Doubtful.



Thank you for backing my six, Chekky.* Together we can make these maroons smarter.


backing my six , lol

What is wrong with you?

More to the point, what is wrong with YOU, you black *******?

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" I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested
Arizona."
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied
from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected

" My real name's McGill. The jew thing I just do for the homeboys.
They all want a pipe hitting member of the tribe, so to speak."
- Saul Goodman (Bob Odenkirk). "Better Call Saul" (2015)

"Die Juden sind unser Unglück!"
- Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896)

"But vhere vill ve be able to vatch gay jews taking black cock up ze
ass?"
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), bemoaning the depletion of jews
in Hollyvood and the effect on his viewing preferences
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backing my six , lol

What is wrong with you?

More to the point, what is wrong with YOU, you black *******?

Because he keeps rejecting your advances, you infatuated serbian bitch? LOL

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Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 9/28/2016 6:18 PM, TomR wrote:
A friend of mine asked me today why the electrical outlets in my house
were "upside down".Â* They are positioned with the ground pin hole at the
top and the two slots of the outlet on the bottom.Â* I agree that, to me,
they "look" like they are upside down, and I think they would "look"
better with the ground pin hole on the bottom.Â* But, my belief is that
the National Electrical Code (NEC) is silent on this question and that
there is no right or wrong orientation for electrical outlets.

My friend said that he has had code enforcement officials tell him that
electrical outlets with the ground pin hole on top were "upside down"
and that they needed to be reversed to be with the ground pin on the
bottom to pass the electrical inspection.

Is there anything in the NEC that says that one way is "upside down" and
the other way is the "correct" orientation?


Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of
banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper code.
If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the top.
This is a safety precaution. Say someone were to drop a metal item onto
the pins carrying the load. You'd have an instant fire which even the
most modern fire department could probably not extinguish.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...






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Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 9/28/2016 6:18 PM, TomR wrote:
A friend of mine asked me today why the electrical outlets in my house
were "upside down". They are positioned with the ground pin hole at the
top and the two slots of the outlet on the bottom. I agree that, to me,
they "look" like they are upside down, and I think they would "look"
better with the ground pin hole on the bottom. But, my belief is that
the National Electrical Code (NEC) is silent on this question and that
there is no right or wrong orientation for electrical outlets.

My friend said that he has had code enforcement officials tell him that
electrical outlets with the ground pin hole on top were "upside down"
and that they needed to be reversed to be with the ground pin on the
bottom to pass the electrical inspection.

Is there anything in the NEC that says that one way is "upside down" and
the other way is the "correct" orientation?


Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of
banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper code.
If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the top.
This is a safety precaution. Say someone were to drop a metal item onto
the pins carrying the load. You'd have an instant fire which even the
most modern fire department could probably not extinguish.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...






--


YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-7OuqWi4vQ

SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
{#390 - ROBBERS} vs HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GODS HOUSE} THEORY OF
NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN*
*CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a
robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

Private €œSaint Andrews€� Street on the edge of the Central Business District
dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as
a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTATIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis
[James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
= #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING€� and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE.

http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS

"Colonel Edmund J. Burke" wrote in message
...

On 9/28/2016 6:18 PM, TomR wrote:
A friend of mine asked me today why the electrical outlets in my house
were "upside down". They are positioned with the ground pin hole at the
top and the two slots of the outlet on the bottom. I agree that, to me,
they "look" like they are upside down, and I think they would "look"
better with the ground pin hole on the bottom. But, my belief is that the
National Electrical Code (NEC) is silent on this question and that there
is no right or wrong orientation for electrical outlets.

My friend said that he has had code enforcement officials tell him that
electrical outlets with the ground pin hole on top were "upside down" and
that they needed to be reversed to be with the ground pin on the bottom to
pass the electrical inspection.

Is there anything in the NEC that says that one way is "upside down" and
the other way is the "correct" orientation?


Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of
banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper code.
If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the top. This
is a safety precaution. Say someone were to drop a metal item onto the pins
carrying the load. You'd have an instant fire which even the most modern
fire department could probably not extinguish.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...

don't be rude

"jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew
aliash)" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:00:25 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon La Edmund
J. Burke" wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:55 AM, % wrote:
On 2018-06-08 8:52 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 6/7/2018 6:20 PM, Checkmate wrote:
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
Checkmate! In article , nad318b404
@gmail.invalid says...



Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes,
melt!
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 10:53:57 -0700, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 9/28/2016 6:18 PM, TomR wrote:
A friend of mine asked me today why the electrical outlets in my
house
were "upside down". They are positioned with the ground pin hole at
the top and the two slots of the outlet on the bottom. I agree
that,
to me, they "look" like they are upside down, and I think they would
"look" better with the ground pin hole on the bottom. But, my
belief
is that the National Electrical Code (NEC) is silent on this
question
and that there is no right or wrong orientation for electrical
outlets.

My friend said that he has had code enforcement officials tell him
that
electrical outlets with the ground pin hole on top were "upside
down"
and that they needed to be reversed to be with the ground pin on the
bottom to pass the electrical inspection.

Is there anything in the NEC that says that one way is "upside down"
and the other way is the "correct" orientation?


Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of
banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper
code.
If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the
top.
This is a safety precaution. Say someone were to drop a metal item
onto
the pins carrying the load. You'd have an instant fire which even
the
most modern fire department could probably not extinguish.

Wildly wrong. First, if a plug is seated properly there won't be any
metal
exposed; rubbery plug material will be flush against the plastic of
the
outlet cover. And second, if you have a loose plug exposing metal
(don't
do that), the ground pin is at the bottom, and a metal item falls on
there
shorting the neutral to the hot, you'd have an instant circuit breaker
trip is what you'd have. In a fraction of a second that outlet would
be as
dead as a doornail -- no voltage anywhere.


Oh no you DIN'T!

Are... are you attempting to be the resident expert on electrical
wiring
in AC now? Looks like I'm going to have to straighten you out on a few
things. First of all, the operative word in your statement above, is
*IF*. IF is one of the biggest words in the English language in this
case. Plugs are supposed to be plugged in all the way so that no
portion
of the conductors is exposed, but sometimes they come loose for any
number of reasons, leaving some of the conductors exposed. IF the hot
and neutral are mounted at the top, and IF a portion of the blades is
exposed, and IF something metal (perhaps a coin) were to fall on them
in
such a way as to complete a circuit, it *might* trip the breaker.

However, it's conceivable that it could produce an arc which could
cause
a fire, or you could even get a high resistance short, not drawing
enough
current to trip the breaker, but drawing enough to heat up the metal
object... and possibly causing a fire.

Please note that the National Electrical code does NOT specify which
mounting method must be used. In fact, several code committees have
discussed this topic and elected not to specify one way over the other.
I've seen some hospitals specify that the ground be mounted at the top,
for the reasons I've already mentioned, however there is no code
requirement to do so. Plugs are usually mounted with the hot and
neutral
at the top for no other reason than convention, and the fact that some
people are "bothered" by what they perceive as an "upside-down"
orientation.

Unless, of course, the circuit breakers were not up to code, in which
case
your problems are in the breaker box, not the outlet.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...

By smearing even more of it everywhere? Doubtful.



Thank you for backing my six, Chekky. Together we can make these
maroons smarter.


backing my six , lol

What is wrong with you?

More to the point, what is wrong with YOU, you black *******?

- -

" I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested
Arizona."
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied
from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected

" My real name's McGill. The jew thing I just do for the homeboys.
They all want a pipe hitting member of the tribe, so to speak."
- Saul Goodman (Bob Odenkirk). "Better Call Saul" (2015)

"Die Juden sind unser Unglück!"
- Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896)

"But vhere vill ve be able to vatch gay jews taking black cock up ze
ass?"
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), bemoaning the depletion of jews
in Hollyvood and the effect on his viewing preferences
Message-ID:

ground pin hole?

"jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew
aliash)" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:53:57 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon La Edmund
J. Burke" wrote:

On 9/28/2016 6:18 PM, TomR wrote:
A friend of mine asked me today why the electrical outlets in my house
were "upside down". They are positioned with the ground pin hole at the
top and the two slots of the outlet on the bottom. I agree that, to me,
they "look" like they are upside down, and I think they would "look"
better with the ground pin hole on the bottom. But, my belief is that
the National Electrical Code (NEC) is silent on this question and that
there is no right or wrong orientation for electrical outlets.

My friend said that he has had code enforcement officials tell him that
electrical outlets with the ground pin hole on top were "upside down" and
that they needed to be reversed to be with the ground pin on the bottom
to pass the electrical inspection.

Is there anything in the NEC that says that one way is "upside down" and
the other way is the "correct" orientation?


Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of
banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper code.
If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the top.
This is a safety precaution. Say someone were to drop a metal item onto
the pins carrying the load. You'd have an instant fire which even the most
modern fire department could probably not extinguish.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...

What a load of ****e. I hope nobody listens to yer dumb 'advice', ya
stupid moulie!

- -

" I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested
Arizona."
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied
from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected

" My real name's McGill. The jew thing I just do for the homeboys.
They all want a pipe hitting member of the tribe, so to speak."
- Saul Goodman (Bob Odenkirk). "Better Call Saul" (2015)

"Die Juden sind unser Unglück!"
- Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896)

"But vhere vill ve be able to vatch gay jews taking black cock up ze
ass?"
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), bemoaning the depletion of jews
in Hollyvood and the effect on his viewing preferences
Message-ID:

what would be dumb?

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:00:19 -0500, "David" wrote:



"jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew
aliash)" wrote in message
.. .

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:53:57 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon La Edmund
J. Burke" wrote:

On 9/28/2016 6:18 PM, TomR wrote:
A friend of mine asked me today why the electrical outlets in my house
were "upside down". They are positioned with the ground pin hole at the
top and the two slots of the outlet on the bottom. I agree that, to me,
they "look" like they are upside down, and I think they would "look"
better with the ground pin hole on the bottom. But, my belief is that
the National Electrical Code (NEC) is silent on this question and that
there is no right or wrong orientation for electrical outlets.

My friend said that he has had code enforcement officials tell him that
electrical outlets with the ground pin hole on top were "upside down" and
that they needed to be reversed to be with the ground pin on the bottom
to pass the electrical inspection.

Is there anything in the NEC that says that one way is "upside down" and
the other way is the "correct" orientation?


Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of
banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper code.
If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the top.
This is a safety precaution. Say someone were to drop a metal item onto
the pins carrying the load. You'd have an instant fire which even the most
modern fire department could probably not extinguish.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...

What a load of ****e. I hope nobody listens to yer dumb 'advice', ya
stupid moulie!


what would be dumb?

That would be anything coming out of a moulie mouth.


- -

" I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested
Arizona."
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied
from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected

" My real name's McGill. The jew thing I just do for the homeboys.
They all want a pipe hitting member of the tribe, so to speak."
- Saul Goodman (Bob Odenkirk). "Better Call Saul" (2015)

"Die Juden sind unser Unglück!"
- Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896)

"But vhere vill ve be able to vatch gay jews taking black cock up ze
ass?"
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), bemoaning the depletion of jews
in Hollyvood and the effect on his viewing preferences
Message-ID:

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:59:56 -0500, "David" wrote:



"jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew
aliash)" wrote in message
.. .

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:00:25 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon La Edmund
J. Burke" wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:55 AM, % wrote:
On 2018-06-08 8:52 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 6/7/2018 6:20 PM, Checkmate wrote:
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
Checkmate! In article , nad318b404
@gmail.invalid says...



Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes,
melt!
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 10:53:57 -0700, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 9/28/2016 6:18 PM, TomR wrote:
A friend of mine asked me today why the electrical outlets in my
house
were "upside down". They are positioned with the ground pin hole at
the top and the two slots of the outlet on the bottom. I agree
that,
to me, they "look" like they are upside down, and I think they would
"look" better with the ground pin hole on the bottom. But, my
belief
is that the National Electrical Code (NEC) is silent on this
question
and that there is no right or wrong orientation for electrical
outlets.

My friend said that he has had code enforcement officials tell him
that
electrical outlets with the ground pin hole on top were "upside
down"
and that they needed to be reversed to be with the ground pin on the
bottom to pass the electrical inspection.

Is there anything in the NEC that says that one way is "upside down"
and the other way is the "correct" orientation?


Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of
banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper
code.
If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the
top.
This is a safety precaution. Say someone were to drop a metal item
onto
the pins carrying the load. You'd have an instant fire which even
the
most modern fire department could probably not extinguish.

Wildly wrong. First, if a plug is seated properly there won't be any
metal
exposed; rubbery plug material will be flush against the plastic of
the
outlet cover. And second, if you have a loose plug exposing metal
(don't
do that), the ground pin is at the bottom, and a metal item falls on
there
shorting the neutral to the hot, you'd have an instant circuit breaker
trip is what you'd have. In a fraction of a second that outlet would
be as
dead as a doornail -- no voltage anywhere.


Oh no you DIN'T!

Are... are you attempting to be the resident expert on electrical
wiring
in AC now? Looks like I'm going to have to straighten you out on a few
things. First of all, the operative word in your statement above, is
*IF*. IF is one of the biggest words in the English language in this
case. Plugs are supposed to be plugged in all the way so that no
portion
of the conductors is exposed, but sometimes they come loose for any
number of reasons, leaving some of the conductors exposed. IF the hot
and neutral are mounted at the top, and IF a portion of the blades is
exposed, and IF something metal (perhaps a coin) were to fall on them
in
such a way as to complete a circuit, it *might* trip the breaker.

However, it's conceivable that it could produce an arc which could
cause
a fire, or you could even get a high resistance short, not drawing
enough
current to trip the breaker, but drawing enough to heat up the metal
object... and possibly causing a fire.

Please note that the National Electrical code does NOT specify which
mounting method must be used. In fact, several code committees have
discussed this topic and elected not to specify one way over the other.
I've seen some hospitals specify that the ground be mounted at the top,
for the reasons I've already mentioned, however there is no code
requirement to do so. Plugs are usually mounted with the hot and
neutral
at the top for no other reason than convention, and the fact that some
people are "bothered" by what they perceive as an "upside-down"
orientation.

Unless, of course, the circuit breakers were not up to code, in which
case
your problems are in the breaker box, not the outlet.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...

By smearing even more of it everywhere? Doubtful.



Thank you for backing my six, Chekky. Together we can make these
maroons smarter.


backing my six , lol

What is wrong with you?

More to the point, what is wrong with YOU, you black *******?


ground pin hole?

That's not all that's wrong with him!


- -

" I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested
Arizona."
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied
from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected

" My real name's McGill. The jew thing I just do for the homeboys.
They all want a pipe hitting member of the tribe, so to speak."
- Saul Goodman (Bob Odenkirk). "Better Call Saul" (2015)

"Die Juden sind unser Unglück!"
- Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896)

"But vhere vill ve be able to vatch gay jews taking black cock up ze
ass?"
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), bemoaning the depletion of jews
in Hollyvood and the effect on his viewing preferences
Message-ID:

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:53:24 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Shein's jew aliash)", farted again:


ground pin hole?

That's not all that's wrong with him!

STILL together with the retard, dumb anal Razovic? Are retards sexually more
attractive to you because those are the ONLY ones you could ever get in your
perverted "life" (if one can call that spastic thing you are suffering from
a "life" at all)? LOL

--
Nefesh about stinking serb peasant Razovic:
"Now when the Revd tries to think,
He begins to stink."
MID:

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:52:42 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Shein's jew aliash)", farted again:

what would be dumb?

That would be anything coming out of a moulie mouth.

That would indeed be you, you dumb piece of serbian ****!

--
tomcov about poor psychotic asshole Razovic:
"Assholes come
Assholes go
But the revd asshole goes on forever.
(and he speaks through it)"
MID:

"jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew
aliash)" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:59:56 -0500, "David" wrote:



"jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew
aliash)" wrote in message
.. .

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:00:25 -0700, "fake vet Scatboi Colon La Edmund
J. Burke" wrote:

On 6/8/2018 8:55 AM, % wrote:
On 2018-06-08 8:52 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 6/7/2018 6:20 PM, Checkmate wrote:
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts
by
Checkmate! In article , nad318b404
@gmail.invalid says...



Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes,
melt!
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 10:53:57 -0700, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 9/28/2016 6:18 PM, TomR wrote:
A friend of mine asked me today why the electrical outlets in my
house
were "upside down". They are positioned with the ground pin hole
at
the top and the two slots of the outlet on the bottom. I agree
that,
to me, they "look" like they are upside down, and I think they
would
"look" better with the ground pin hole on the bottom. But, my
belief
is that the National Electrical Code (NEC) is silent on this
question
and that there is no right or wrong orientation for electrical
outlets.

My friend said that he has had code enforcement officials tell him
that
electrical outlets with the ground pin hole on top were "upside
down"
and that they needed to be reversed to be with the ground pin on
the
bottom to pass the electrical inspection.

Is there anything in the NEC that says that one way is "upside
down"
and the other way is the "correct" orientation?


Yer friend's code enforcement officials are probably a bunch of
banana-munchin' porch monkeys with not even the least idea of proper
code.
If ya had any sense, you'd know the ground pin always goes on the
top.
This is a safety precaution. Say someone were to drop a metal item
onto
the pins carrying the load. You'd have an instant fire which even
the
most modern fire department could probably not extinguish.

Wildly wrong. First, if a plug is seated properly there won't be any
metal
exposed; rubbery plug material will be flush against the plastic of
the
outlet cover. And second, if you have a loose plug exposing metal
(don't
do that), the ground pin is at the bottom, and a metal item falls on
there
shorting the neutral to the hot, you'd have an instant circuit
breaker
trip is what you'd have. In a fraction of a second that outlet would
be as
dead as a doornail -- no voltage anywhere.


Oh no you DIN'T!

Are... are you attempting to be the resident expert on electrical
wiring
in AC now? Looks like I'm going to have to straighten you out on a
few
things. First of all, the operative word in your statement above, is
*IF*. IF is one of the biggest words in the English language in this
case. Plugs are supposed to be plugged in all the way so that no
portion
of the conductors is exposed, but sometimes they come loose for any
number of reasons, leaving some of the conductors exposed. IF the hot
and neutral are mounted at the top, and IF a portion of the blades is
exposed, and IF something metal (perhaps a coin) were to fall on them
in
such a way as to complete a circuit, it *might* trip the breaker.

However, it's conceivable that it could produce an arc which could
cause
a fire, or you could even get a high resistance short, not drawing
enough
current to trip the breaker, but drawing enough to heat up the metal
object... and possibly causing a fire.

Please note that the National Electrical code does NOT specify which
mounting method must be used. In fact, several code committees have
discussed this topic and elected not to specify one way over the
other.
I've seen some hospitals specify that the ground be mounted at the
top,
for the reasons I've already mentioned, however there is no code
requirement to do so. Plugs are usually mounted with the hot and
neutral
at the top for no other reason than convention, and the fact that some
people are "bothered" by what they perceive as an "upside-down"
orientation.

Unless, of course, the circuit breakers were not up to code, in which
case
your problems are in the breaker box, not the outlet.

I hope that clears up any further ignorance on your part...

By smearing even more of it everywhere? Doubtful.



Thank you for backing my six, Chekky. Together we can make these
maroons smarter.


backing my six , lol

What is wrong with you?

More to the point, what is wrong with YOU, you black *******?


ground pin hole?

That's not all that's wrong with him!


- -

" I don't even have the heart to tell him I've never infested
Arizona."
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he lied
from the very beginning, A jew scam, as expected

" My real name's McGill. The jew thing I just do for the homeboys.
They all want a pipe hitting member of the tribe, so to speak."
- Saul Goodman (Bob Odenkirk). "Better Call Saul" (2015)

"Die Juden sind unser Unglück!"
- Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896)

"But vhere vill ve be able to vatch gay jews taking black cock up ze
ass?"
- Klaun ****tinb'ricks (1940 - ), bemoaning the depletion of jews
in Hollyvood and the effect on his viewing preferences
Message-ID:

its a seizure

replying to hrhofmann, Brelvis wrote:
The reason is simple. SAFETY. Back in the day, the outlet covers were metal.
Id a plate happened to come lose, fall on the hot conductor of the cord, YOU
became the ground if it were to be touched. If it were to fall on the grounded
prong, no harm done. Read this explanation in an older text book back in the
80's.

--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...e-1110235-.htm

TomR:

If you look closely at the front of a bare(uninstalled)
receptacle, you'll see tiny writing on many that is
legible only when the receptacle is held so that
the ground is on top. There's a major clue for all
the "looks silly with ground on top" crowd!

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 03:14:02 GMT, Brelvis
m wrote:

replying to hrhofmann, Brelvis wrote:
The reason is simple. SAFETY. Back in the day, the outlet covers were metal.
Id a plate happened to come lose, fall on the hot conductor of the cord, YOU
became the ground if it were to be touched. If it were to fall on the grounded
prong, no harm done. Read this explanation in an older text book back in the
80's.
Other than in commercial (and institutional) use metal plates were
replaced by plastic LONG before 3 wire grounded outlets became common.

There is no safety based reason for either orientation in normal use

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 19:40:32 -0800 (PST), wrote:

TomR:

If you look closely at the front of a bare(uninstalled)
receptacle, you'll see tiny writing on many that is

legible only when the receptacle is held so that
the ground is on top. There's a major clue for all
the "looks silly with ground on top" crowd!


I call BS on that.

Every 125 volt 15 or 20 amp outlet I've ever seen has the only
printing on the plastic oriented so it is readable with the ground
down. All it says is 125 v 15A or 20A depending on the unit - and a UL
logo. ANd even that cannot be seen with the plate installed.

Even the print on the back of the unit is oriented to be read ground
down. I've seen hundreds of then, having been raised by an
electrician and spending many hours on the job - and I just replaced
ALL the outlets and switches in my 2 story house with finished
basement.

Crouse Hinds, Leviton, and pass and seymor / Legrand all the same -
and on "controlled" outlets it is oriented to be read with the ground
to the right - which SURPRISE - is Neurtal DOWN - That's right - the
narrow LINE or POWER blade is UP.

On a Legrand Decora outlet the "legrand" logo is readable only with
the grount TO THE RIGHT.

On their AFCI and GFCI devices the same is true.
On all Leviton Tamper Resistantoutlets the TR is oriented for ground
down.

LUTRON decora outlets have NO printing on the face.

The Legrand trademaster outlets have no lettering on the plastic and
the stamped lettering on the steel strap IS oriented to be read ground
up.

It appears Eaton/Copoper/Crouse Hinds no longer makes NEBA 15 0r 20
ouitlets

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 10:40:37 PM UTC-5, wrote:
TomR:

If you look closely at the front of a bare(uninstalled)
receptacle, you'll see tiny writing on many that is
legible only when the receptacle is held so that
the ground is on top. There's a major clue for all
the "looks silly with ground on top" crowd!

It's rather odd that if that was the intent, that 99% are installed
with the ground prong down in the USA and passed inspection. That's
my survey from traveling widely in the USA, it's rare to find one
with the ground prong up. Why are almost all electricians doing
it wrong?

On 1/8/2019 10:40 PM, wrote:
TomR:

If you look closely at the front of a bare(uninstalled)
receptacle, you'll see tiny writing on many that is
legible only when the receptacle is held so that
the ground is on top. There's a major clue for all
the "looks silly with ground on top" crowd!


Â*Â* My refrigerator has a 90 degree angled plug.Â* To minimize stress on the cable, the wall receptacle needs to be installed with the ground pin down.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 9:04:38 AM UTC-5, Bubba wrote:
On 1/8/2019 10:40 PM, wrote:
TomR:

If you look closely at the front of a bare(uninstalled)
receptacle, you'll see tiny writing on many that is
legible only when the receptacle is held so that
the ground is on top. There's a major clue for all
the "looks silly with ground on top" crowd!


Â*Â* My refrigerator has a 90 degree angled plug.Â* To minimize stress on the cable, the wall receptacle needs to be installed with the ground pin down.

I was thinking similar, but couldn't think of a good example. You're
right, the new fridge here has the same thing, a flat plug designed
to not stick out. If you put it in ground pin up, there would be stress
on the cord. But to me, the obvious thing is that the vast majority
of receptacles are installed ground pin down. In my experience, I'd
say it's 99%+. It's rather odd if there was an intention they be put
in the other way due to the safety issue, that so many electricians
are doing it wrong. Also, so many safety things are specified in the
code, but nothing on this.

On 1/9/2019 9:04 AM, Bubba wrote:
On 1/8/2019 10:40 PM, wrote:
TomR:

If you look closely at the front of a bare(uninstalled)
receptacle, you'll see tiny writing on many that is
legible only when the receptacle is held so that
the ground is on top.Â* There's a major clue for all
the "looks silly with ground on top" crowd!Â*


Â*Â* My refrigerator has a 90 degree angled plug.Â* To minimize stress on
the cable, the wall receptacle needs to be installed with the ground pin
down.

Yet my 20 year old Fedders air conditioner should have pin up.

On 1/9/2019 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:

But to me, the obvious thing is that the vast majority
of receptacles are installed ground pin down. In my experience, I'd
say it's 99%+. It's rather odd if there was an intention they be put
in the other way due to the safety issue, that so many electricians
are doing it wrong. Also, so many safety things are specified in the
code, but nothing on this.


One electrical inspector in the town where I worked, wanted pin up in
the office. He had a thing about paper clips falling across the plug
blades.

In my new house, just built a couple of months ago, the receptacle in
each room that is controlled by a switch has pin up and the top is
switched, the bottom is not. Makes it easy to find the right one.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 10:09:40 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/9/2019 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:

But to me, the obvious thing is that the vast majority
of receptacles are installed ground pin down. In my experience, I'd
say it's 99%+. It's rather odd if there was an intention they be put
in the other way due to the safety issue, that so many electricians
are doing it wrong. Also, so many safety things are specified in the
code, but nothing on this.


One electrical inspector in the town where I worked, wanted pin up in
the office. He had a thing about paper clips falling across the plug
blades.

In my new house, just built a couple of months ago, the receptacle in
each room that is controlled by a switch has pin up and the top is
switched, the bottom is not. Makes it easy to find the right one.

That's a system. You'd think by now there would be some universal
ID that you could use on receptacles to mark switched, but I've never
seen any. Just a simple little piece of green tape on the half that
is switched would work, but I never thought about doing it until now.
It would be most useful in a new house, where you're not sure what's
what and have to plug in a lot of stuff. Would be nice if that convention
could be followed by electricians.

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says...

I was thinking similar, but couldn't think of a good example. You're
right, the new fridge here has the same thing, a flat plug designed
to not stick out. If you put it in ground pin up, there would be stress
on the cord. But to me, the obvious thing is that the vast majority
of receptacles are installed ground pin down. In my experience, I'd
say it's 99%+. It's rather odd if there was an intention they be put
in the other way due to the safety issue, that so many electricians
are doing it wrong. Also, so many safety things are specified in the
code, but nothing on this.




As pointed out, there is not NEC for up or down. Some towns may have a
code or the local inspector may want it a certain way. Just do not argue
with the local man and do it his way.

There have been two thoughts on the safety. One was pin up for falling
objects. The other is pin down because of the plug starts falling out
the hot wires will come out first and then the safety ground.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 10:05:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/9/2019 9:04 AM, Bubba wrote:
On 1/8/2019 10:40 PM, wrote:
TomR:

If you look closely at the front of a bare(uninstalled)
receptacle, you'll see tiny writing on many that is
legible only when the receptacle is held so that
the ground is on top.Â* There's a major clue for all
the "looks silly with ground on top" crowd!Â*


Â*Â* My refrigerator has a 90 degree angled plug.Â* To minimize stress on
the cable, the wall receptacle needs to be installed with the ground pin
down.

Yet my 20 year old Fedders air conditioner should have pin up.

No A/C plugs are made to assume the unit is mounted higher than the
receptacle so the cord is oriented up.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 07:25:37 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 10:09:40 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/9/2019 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:

But to me, the obvious thing is that the vast majority
of receptacles are installed ground pin down. In my experience, I'd
say it's 99%+. It's rather odd if there was an intention they be put
in the other way due to the safety issue, that so many electricians
are doing it wrong. Also, so many safety things are specified in the
code, but nothing on this.


One electrical inspector in the town where I worked, wanted pin up in
the office. He had a thing about paper clips falling across the plug
blades.

In my new house, just built a couple of months ago, the receptacle in
each room that is controlled by a switch has pin up and the top is
switched, the bottom is not. Makes it easy to find the right one.

That's a system. You'd think by now there would be some universal
ID that you could use on receptacles to mark switched, but I've never
seen any. Just a simple little piece of green tape on the half that
is switched would work, but I never thought about doing it until now.
It would be most useful in a new house, where you're not sure what's
what and have to plug in a lot of stuff. Would be nice if that convention
could be followed by electricians.

I mark the switched side with a red sharpie.

On 1/9/19 12:47 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:

[snip]

On a Legrand Decora outlet the "legrand" logo is readable only with
the grount TO THE RIGHT.

Finding text unreadable because of orientation is a serious limitation.

[snip]

On 1/9/19 7:37 AM, trader_4 wrote:

[snip]

It's rather odd that if that was the intent, that 99% are installed
with the ground prong down in the USA and passed inspection. That's
my survey from traveling widely in the USA, it's rare to find one
with the ground prong up. Why are almost all electricians doing
it wrong?

I find ground up in most hospitals and medical facilities (except older
ones).

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder;
for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man." -- Thomas Paine

On 1/9/19 9:25 AM, trader_4 wrote:

[snip]

That's a system. You'd think by now there would be some universal
ID that you could use on receptacles to mark switched, but I've never
seen any. Just a simple little piece of green tape on the half that
is switched would work, but I never thought about doing it until now.
It would be most useful in a new house, where you're not sure what's
what and have to plug in a lot of stuff. Would be nice if that convention
could be followed by electricians.

I have a receptacle where both halves are (separately) switched. One
side is marked with red tape, the other with green tape. The receptacle
is meant to be used for Christmas lights.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder;
for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man." -- Thomas Paine

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:33:12 -0500, wrote:

In my new house, just built a couple of months ago, the receptacle in
each room that is controlled by a switch has pin up and the top is
switched, the bottom is not. Makes it easy to find the right one.

That's a system. You'd think by now there would be some universal
ID that you could use on receptacles to mark switched, but I've never
seen any. Just a simple little piece of green tape on the half that
is switched would work, but I never thought about doing it until now.
It would be most useful in a new house, where you're not sure what's
what and have to plug in a lot of stuff. Would be nice if that convention
could be followed by electricians.

I mark the switched side with a red sharpie.

Mine were marked via an adhesive blue dot. First time I saw it, in my
present home I wondered what was up with that. Finally figured it out
:-)