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Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean. Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy

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On 9/18/2016 2:34 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean. Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy


What is your climate zone?

--
Maggie

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"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 9/18/2016 2:34 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean. Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy


What is your climate zone?

--
Maggie

Don't know technical zone name. Mediterranean's climate, San Diego County, Calif, inland about 15 miles, 500 ft about sea level. Soil tested and all is within recommendations.

Here's a rough sketch of the area
http://i63.tinypic.com/2enuomq.gif

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On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 12:34:05 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
wrote:

Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean. Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy

The tree root(s) may be sucking all the moisture out of the lawn area.
Happening here on my only lawn space of 300 sq ft. Of course my
irrigation is on the blink :)

The pear tree root is 'Yuge' ... the roots need to be pruned back a
bit.

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On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:47:58 -0400, boregard wrote:

Pine needles are acidic. You'll need to add lime to the soil before you plant grass seed.

Yes. A garden auger, bore down in the soil and add the lime and
water.

Pic:

https://tinyurl.com/gw3m5o5

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On 9/18/2016 6:47 PM, boregard wrote:
On 9/18/2016 3:34 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on
this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine
tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it
gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was
covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean.
Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy

Pine needles are acidic. You'll need to add lime to the soil before you
plant grass seed.


Some pine needles are more acidic than others. Pine trees prefer
slightly acidic soil, so you don't want to change the chemical makeup
too much otherwise you can affect the tree.

A better approach is to test the soil, and if the tree is healthy, then
determine which plants/grasses thrive under those conditions.

--
Maggie

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On 9/18/2016 2:45 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 9/18/2016 2:34 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean. Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy


What is your climate zone?

--
Maggie

Don't know technical zone name. Mediterranean's climate, San Diego County, Calif, inland about 15 miles, 500 ft about sea level. Soil tested and all is within recommendations.

Here's a rough sketch of the area
http://i63.tinypic.com/2enuomq.gif


For me, I wouldn't plant grass because I hate the idea of having to mow
it and water it all the time.

You could put some decorative grasses there, like liriope or monkey
grass or clumps of taller grass like pampas grass, and put low growing
shrubs that like that particular location. You could include pavers or
some other combination of plantings.

If you can't get grass to grow voluntarily there, it may not be getting
enough sunlight. If that's the case try a deep shade loving grass, but
those sometimes are hard to keep alive and can be water mongers. I
planted the shade loving grass and just kept re-seeding every few weeks
until it filled up the space I wanted. But, here it gets pretty hot in
the summers and stresses out and dies off in the heat.

If you're going for seed, it would be a good idea to till up the top 2
to 3 inches of dirt and smooth it out before you put the seed out.
Some will take, and some will get eaten by the birds.

(second try posting this - it didn't show up the first time I sent it)

--
Maggie

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On 9/18/2016 3:34 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean. Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy

Pine needles are acidic. You'll need to add lime to the soil before you plant grass seed.

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On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 12:34:05 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
wrote:

Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean. Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy
A chain saw. The grass will never thrive under the pine

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On 9/18/2016 5:19 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 9/18/2016 6:47 PM, boregard wrote:
On 9/18/2016 3:34 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on
this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine
tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it
gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was
covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean.
Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy
Pine needles are acidic. You'll need to add lime to the soil before you
plant grass seed.

Some pine needles are more acidic than others. Pine trees prefer
slightly acidic soil, so you don't want to change the chemical makeup
too much otherwise you can affect the tree.

A better approach is to test the soil, and if the tree is healthy, then
determine which plants/grasses thrive under those conditions.

Instead of flapping your lips and spewing hot smelly air,

why not offer some useful advice to the Snuffy and tell him the kind of grass to use?

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On 9/18/2016 7:36 PM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 9/18/2016 5:19 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 9/18/2016 6:47 PM, boregard wrote:
On 9/18/2016 3:34 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on
this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine
tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it
gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was
covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean.
Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy
Pine needles are acidic. You'll need to add lime to the soil before you
plant grass seed.

Some pine needles are more acidic than others. Pine trees prefer
slightly acidic soil, so you don't want to change the chemical makeup
too much otherwise you can affect the tree.

A better approach is to test the soil, and if the tree is healthy, then
determine which plants/grasses thrive under those conditions.


Instead of flapping your lips and spewing hot smelly air,

why not offer some useful advice to the Snuffy and tell him the kind of
grass to use?


I did - in another post. Didn't you read it?

--
Maggie

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On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:34:56 -0400, wrote:

A chain saw. The grass will never thrive under the pine

Um, the lawn turf is not directly under the pine tree.

OP posted a drawing that shows a distance between the tree and the
turf.

Cite:

"...Here's a rough sketch of the area
http://i63.tinypic.com/2enuomq.gif "

IMHO the cherry tree roots "could" be sucking moisture from the lawn
turf -- root prune the cherry tree if that is in fact an issue.

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On 9/18/2016 12:34 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean. Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy


In November grass will be legal in some states.

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On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:35:59 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:34:56 -0400, wrote:

A chain saw. The grass will never thrive under the pine

Um, the lawn turf is not directly under the pine tree.

OP posted a drawing that shows a distance between the tree and the
turf.

Cite:

"...Here's a rough sketch of the area
http://i63.tinypic.com/2enuomq.gif "

IMHO the cherry tree roots "could" be sucking moisture from the lawn
turf -- root prune the cherry tree if that is in fact an issue.
I had a cherrie tree, a few spruce, a few cedat an apple and a
flowering quince. No grass under the cedars or the spruce - With the
spruce, no grass for over 3 or 4 feet beyond the circumference of the
tree.
No problem around the apple or cherry (but I took out the cherry last
year )
I've raked out the needles, limed the heck out of it, and tried
EVERYTHING to get grass around bottom of the one spruce and cedar - I
planted Perriwinkle under the othe spruce and cedars in the corner of
the lot.

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On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 3:34:13 PM UTC-4, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Greeting fellow garden fans,

What's the best type of grass seed and method to get some grass on this section of the yard?

I've got a 300 sq ft section of yard that is partially under a pine tree and partly under a cherry tree. At this time of the year, it gets direct sunlight from 7-10am and from 12n-2pm. The ground was covered with pine needles until a month ago when I raked it clean. Good soil, but just water has not produced any new grass.

Thanks.

Snuffy

I've never seen success growing grass under a pine tree. For a small
area that size, I'd just mulch around the trees. Areas where you can
grow grass, a quality shade mix would be appropriate.