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Paint won't stick to old siding?
We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint. Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the siding leaving bare wood underneath. I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and below the old siding. There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding so the new latex paint won't just flake off again. Any tips? Thanks, Anthony Watson www.watsondiy.com www.mountainsoftware.com |
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Paint won't stick to old siding?
On 6/6/2016 11:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint. Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the siding leaving bare wood underneath. I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and below the old siding. There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding so the new latex paint won't just flake off again. Any tips? Thanks, Anthony Watson www.watsondiy.com www.mountainsoftware.com I'd look for a small town hardware store. Find the grey haired old guy and ask, there. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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Paint won't stick to old siding?
On 06/06/2016 10:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
.... There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding so the new latex paint won't just flake off again. .... I've come to the conclusion there is nothing that can restore an old, weathered surface to hold paint other than to completely remove sufficient material from the surface so as to expose, essentially, "new" wood. We did all you described to the old barn where it _looked_ as clean and fresh as the new wood and it, too, has failed while the replacement pieces are still holding. If you can find anybody who can provide any other solution as well, I'd surely like to know, too. -- |
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Paint won't stick to old siding?
On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 15:34:48 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband
wrote: We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint. Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the siding leaving bare wood underneath. I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and below the old siding. There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding so the new latex paint won't just flake off again. Any tips? Isn't Kilz cans oil or water base? Wonder if you picked the wrong can on the shelf, not looking at the label. 95% of painting is preparation. Painting is the easy part. -- Liberals are like Chameleons. They keep changing colors. -- © Oren |
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Paint won't stick to old siding?
On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 12:45:11 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 06/06/2016 10:34 AM, HerHusband wrote: ... There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding so the new latex paint won't just flake off again. ... I've come to the conclusion there is nothing that can restore an old, weathered surface to hold paint other than to completely remove sufficient material from the surface so as to expose, essentially, "new" wood. We did all you described to the old barn where it _looked_ as clean and fresh as the new wood and it, too, has failed while the replacement pieces are still holding. If you can find anybody who can provide any other solution as well, I'd surely like to know, too. -- I've had very good results using PeelBond Primer. It's a very thick latex primer that's made to help level old rough wood. It's good for areas that you've scraped to avoid having to sand the surface perfectly smooth. It will help hide the transition areas. I've used it on weathered wood and it's held up fine. Kilz is good at stain blocking, not sure how it ranks as a primer when adhesion is the main goal. |
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Paint won't stick to old siding?
Oren writes:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 15:34:48 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband wrote: We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint. Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the siding leaving bare wood underneath. I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and below the old siding. There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding so the new latex paint won't just flake off again. Any tips? Isn't Kilz cans oil or water base? Wonder if you picked the wrong can on the shelf, not looking at the label. Zinnser's BIN primer is shellac based. Kilz has a water based primer, that I'd avoid. |
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ANTHONY ****SON CAN'T FIGGURE WHY "Paint won't stick to old siding"
On 6/6/2016 8:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint. Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the siding leaving bare wood underneath. I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and below the old siding. There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding so the new latex paint won't just flake off again. tONY, THAT FUSKIN' TSP'LL DO IT EVERY TIME. |
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ANTHONY ****SON CAN'T FIGGURE WHY "Paint won't stick to old siding"
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ANTHONY ****SON CAN'T FIGGURE WHY "Paint won't stick to old siding"
On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:22:53 -0700, "Colonel Edmund J. Burke"
wrote: On 6/6/2016 8:34 AM, HerHusband wrote: We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint. Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the siding leaving bare wood underneath. I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and below the old siding. There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding so the new latex paint won't just flake off again. It's called *cleaning it" you moron. |
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ANTHONY ****SON CAN'T FIGGURE WHY "Paint won't stick to old siding"
THAT FUSKIN' TSP'LL DO IT EVERY TIME.
We used TSP on the new siding too, and have used it many times in the past without issues. I seriously doubt that is the cause. Anthony Watson www.watsondiy.com www.mountainsoftware.com |
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ANTHONY ****SON CAN'T FIGGURE WHY "Paint won't stick to old siding"
In article ,
says... On 6/6/2016 11:29 AM, Checkmate, DoW #1 wrote: In article , says... On 6/6/2016 8:34 AM, HerHusband wrote: We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint. Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the siding leaving bare wood underneath. I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and below the old siding. There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding so the new latex paint won't just flake off again. tONY, THAT FUSKIN' TSP'LL DO IT EVERY TIME. Bingo! Yep, fer sure. These amateur handymen get me every time. ;-) If only they'd come to AUK first, and ask for help... -- Checkmate, AUK DoW #1, new Honorary FNVW of AUK, and Fakey's master AUK Hammer of Thor award, Feb. 2012 (Pre-Burnore) Destroyer of the AUK Ko0k Vote (Post-Burnore) Originator of the "Dance for me" (tm) lame Copyright © 2016 all rights reserved |
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Paint won't stick to old siding?
| We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
| work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with | TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint. | Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the | siding leaving bare wood underneath. | Never use Kilz for exterior priming. It's a stain sealer paint, which means it's designed to dry quickly without soaking in. The only good primer for exterior is oil-base linseed oil primer. Benj M. has one. I've forgotten what they call it now. It used to be called Moorewhite primer. The can still says Moorewhite and/or linseed oil somewhere. I usually add more boiled linseed oil. They've downgraded that kind of paint to meet EPA requirements. Then wait a couple of days before putting on acrylic paint. You'll see oil base primer and quick-dry oil base primer, as well as acrylic primer. None of those soak in properly. The same is true of the pre-prime stuff they spray on pine lumber. It's junk that will slide off with water exposure. Everyone wants fast-drying, but you can't have fast drying *and* good absorpotion. Another option is to just put on acrylic solid "stain". You could even wet the siding first, to get a good soak-in. At least it won't peel. But it doesn't look all that great. There's no film and no sheen. | I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same | walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and | below the old siding. | | There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing | the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding | so the new latex paint won't just flake off again. | | Any tips? | | Thanks, | | Anthony Watson | www.watsondiy.com | www.mountainsoftware.com |
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Paint won't stick to old siding?
| Isn't Kilz cans oil or water base? Wonder if you picked the wrong can
| on the shelf, not looking at the label. | | | Zinnser's BIN primer is shellac based. Kilz has a water based primer, that I'd avoid. There are both oil and water base versions of Kilz. Neither is any good for exterior priming, regardless of what they say. |
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ANTHONY ****SON CAN'T FIGGURE WHY "Paint won't stick to oldsiding"
On 6/6/2016 12:42 PM, HerHusband wrote:
THAT FUSKIN' TSP'LL DO IT EVERY TIME. We used TSP on the new siding too, and have used it many times in the past without issues. I seriously doubt that is the cause. Anthony Watson www.watsondiy.com www.mountainsoftware.com LOL. It's called "talkin' to a brick wall." |
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Paint won't stick to old siding?
TRY WOOD STABILIZER
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